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I like this quote from Winston after the ###-whooping in the Rose Bowl to Oregon in January, "If everyone in this room just want to be real with themselves, this game could have went either way, we turned over the ball a lot. We beat ourself. Just be real with yourself right now - we beat ourself."
I believe he's lost more games (4)* in his last 5 games (going back to the Rose Bowl) than he has in his entire football playing career. Will be interesting how he handles it.
He just needs to be more consistent in his decision making. That kind of stuff takes time. If you watch the games you'll say things like "wow, nice throw" on one pass, and then think "wtf are you doing?!" on the next one.Old Smiley said:
Meh. He was along for the ride. I saw nothing saying 'wow'. The superior running game won that for them. Martin is a stud RB. Pretty hard to screw up when you spend the day handing off even though he did but the refs reversed the obvious fumble.
Makes sense, seeing only 1 plays that position.Looked more studly that Winston ever will.
Martin is a stud RB?
Actually, yes, it's quite good.Is 11 yards an attempt good?
Yep. This is about progression, or lack thereof. Today was a good sign. We'll see what his next game brings.
Not so much progression, of course he's progressing. He's 5 games into his career. We're all just hoping this won't be a recurring theme throughout his career. Up, down, up, down.
No one will know that with certainty for a couple of years. Until then he'll experience ups and downs.
It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
Granted, Charles Sims did a lot of the work for him. Those count too, though. He had looked really uncomfortable throwing screens. Much improved today.I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.
It's not arbitrary.I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.
You guys won this round. I'll give ya that. See ya in 2 weeks.I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.
That doesn't make it any less arbitrary, just that someone else made the decision.It's not arbitrary.It's the minimum number of pass attempts per game to be included in official NFL QB passer rating statistics.I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort. Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
That had to hurt given how invested you are in seeing him fail.You guys won this round. I'll give ya that. See ya in 2 weeks.I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
Jesus, just take the compliment about his turnover work.That doesn't make it any less arbitrary, just that someone else made the decision.It's not arbitrary.It's the minimum number of pass attempts per game to be included in official NFL QB passer rating statistics.I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
Doesn't matter to me either way. Winston is clearly the starter and only playing QB in TB. That makes comparisons valid despite his not reaching an arbitrary threshold. You can think otherwise if you prefer to make the threshold the basis of discussion and not his performance.
Yeah. I get that. Thanks.Jesus, just take the compliment about his turnover work.That doesn't make it any less arbitrary, just that someone else made the decision.Doesn't matter to me either way. Winston is clearly the starter and only playing QB in TB. That makes comparisons valid despite his not reaching an arbitrary threshold. You can think otherwise if you prefer to make the threshold the basis of discussion and not his performance.It's not arbitrary.It's the minimum number of pass attempts per game to be included in official NFL QB passer rating statistics.I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
My only point is that, while it's nice that he had 11 ypa, that number is only helpful to boost his numbers in a discussion about his QB rating. He's not going to sustain 11 ypa for a season, or anything close to it, and likely not in a single game where he's asked to carry the bulk of the offensive load.
This isn't a knock on him - no one is going to have 11 ypa for this season. To my knowledge, nobody's ever sustained an entire season with 11 ypa and nobody in the modern era has come close to 10. It's completely irrelevant to the #1 development issue he has facing him - turnovers. That's the thing he has to deal with, primarily by fixing his mechanics as has been discussed in this thread. The fact that he went through a game without a turnover is a huge thing for him, which is my only point. I'm complimenting him on the thing people should be focusing on in my opinion - if he can take care of the ball while he develops, he'll have a career. If he can't, he'll be out of the league in a few years.
Edit: Looked it up. Warner with the greatest show on turf got close to 10, but didn't hit it. Chris Chandler had 9.6 with Atlanta. That's it. Nobody else in the modern era has done better than 9.2.
And then people who use unbiased sites like PFF will say Winston had the 8th-best qb game yesterday. Also you can't #### on him for forcing balls into coverage and creating turnovers and THEN turn around and #### on him for taking what's available and letting his skill guys do work. For one it's disingenuous and two it also avoids the fact that it's the qb's job to do exactly that.
And MUCH more his job to do the latter during his rookie season than the former. It's not a great "he's going to win us a Super Bowl!" Day in my opinion, but it is a HUGE learning curve day. Take what you're given, run the offense, let someone else be the star if that's what's warranted, get the W. He didnt cost tgem the game trying to be a star. That says more about his development than any other stat, to me. It's the first time I've believed he could do what's necessary to be a starting QB in the NFL long term.Capella said:
Not at all. Vince Young lovers had their wins. Tebow lovers had their wins. At the end of the career, both were proven to be frauds. Enjoy it while you can. The end result will be the same.Bronco Billy said:That had to hurt given how invested you are in seeing him fail.lod01 said:You guys won this round. I'll give ya that. See ya in 2 weeks.Capella said:I don't know where you came up with that arbitrary number but that's a good effort.Not many teams would turn down 209 yards on 19 attempts.Henry Ford said:It's better if you have more than 20 pass attempts. His turnover number is much more important than ypa right now. Much better todayIs 11 yards an attempt good?
He's had 3 games like that. New Orleans, Houston, and Jacksonville. If they would have had Connor Barth in the game against the Texans they'd be 3-2. They've also probably played the easiest schedule in the NFL so far and only have 2 wins to show for it.
the Bucs could have had Mariota!" posts in here today.
I didn't watch much of the Houston game, but I disagree against the Saints. The Saints are a truly awful team, and the fumble he lost was wholly unnecessary. He looked fine, but not like someone who understood how to just let the team have the win against the Saints. And I get to watch a lot of QBs look good against the Saints.He's had 3 games like that. New Orleans, Houston, and Jacksonville. If they would have had Connor Barth in the game against the Texans they'd be 3-2. They've also probably played the easiest schedule in the NFL so far and only have 2 wins to show for it.
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