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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (4 Viewers)

It’s games like Sunday though which will force the Bucs to bring him back next year. Purgatory. Of course, if they had any kind of defense 34 points would have been more than enough for the win. Alas. 

 
He’s on pace for 4800 yards, 32 touchdowns and a mind-boggling 24 picks. However 8 of his 12 picks came in two extremely wretched games so he may not replicate that. Still, even a 1 INT per game average to end the year is 20 of them. Yikes. 

 
Jameis Winston completed 30-of-48 passes for 358 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions in the Bucs' 30-27, Week 10 win over the Cardinals, adding three carries for 40 additional yards.

Turnover-machine Winston also fumbled, but the Bucs managed to recover. Winston stood and delivered some nice throws, but his mistakes stood out more than his big plays. Winston ended the Bucs' opening drive with a pick where Cards DB Byron Murphy ran Chris Godwin's route for him. INT No. 2 was a stare down to Godwin. Winston also air mailed what could have been a 47-yard score to Breshad Perriman. His touchdown was a 10-yarder to O.J. Howard on a coverage bust. Winston has a tough Week 11 home date with a Saints defense that will be smarting from Sunday's inconceivable loss to the Falcons.
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Enjoy the roller coaster.

 
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He’s potentially turned the ball over an average of 3 times per game. NFL winning % with 3 turnovers is 18%. He hasn’t improved one bit in taking care of the ball since he’s entered the NFL. You cannot win with this guy. 

 
I mean every qb can kind of say this, and he’s been really bad at times, but it sucks when he hits OJ Howard in stride and he attempts to go behind the back with it like he’s LeBron James on a fast break and the interception counts against Jameis. 
 

That said, it’s time for the Bucs to move on. But he’s not as bad as his numbers suggest. 

 
He throws to spots. If his receiver is there he looks great. If it’s changed and the route is cut off it’s picked. Evans, for as good as he is, is not a QB’s friend when it comes to picks. Or drops. Howard’s was a joke.
 

But Winston makes his mind up too early about where he’s going. Takes too many chances. Would think Arians could teach him. this coming from a guy who needs him in the playoffs 

 
Judge Smails said:
He throws to spots. If his receiver is there he looks great. If it’s changed and the route is cut off it’s picked. Evans, for as good as he is, is not a QB’s friend when it comes to picks. Or drops. Howard’s was a joke.
 

But Winston makes his mind up too early about where he’s going. Takes too many chances. Would think Arians could teach him. this coming from a guy who needs him in the playoffs 
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I too am riding my Winston train to the playoffs. As bad as he’s been, his floor is still there because he chucks it and gets a few rushing yards here and there to cover a pick or two.

They Have no one behind him so I doubt he’s benched, but I’m beginning to fear the mid game benching he comes out with another 3-4 pick game. 
 

I feel like he’s due for a 400 yard 4 TD game that we’ve all seen him have. Hoping he gets hot during fantasy playoffs if only out of sheer luck.

His schedule and weapons are nice. And their soft defense keeps him chucking it.

 
Encumbrance said:
That pick with OJ Howard finally taught me the indefatigable truth of life with Jameis Winston. Truth always somewhere in the middle. 
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All 3 of his other INTs went straight into the defenders' hands.  One happened in the end zone and another went for a pick-6.  Go ahead and put an asterisk on the 4th INT though.

 
Jameis Winston completed 18-of-26 passes for 313 yards, three touchdowns, and two interceptions in the Bucs' Week 12 win over the Falcons.

This was a classic Winston performance, starting the game with two brutal interceptions before settling in. Winston wasn't under pressure often -- the Falcons defense regressed after two great games -- and Chris Godwin made the Atlanta secondary pay. It's important to separate "real life Winston" from "fantasy football Winston" because he is an every-week QB1 even when he's turning the ball over. Winston is averaging over 325 yards and two touchdowns in his last nine games. He faces a mediocre Jaguars defense next week.
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Anyone catch the fact that he didn’t take the final kneel down snap because he was up near the stands taking selfies?  Keenum had to go into the game to do it for him.  What a *ucking as* clown. 

 
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VikingFrog said:
The poster states Keenum, so I’m wondering if he’s referring to Haskins.
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Indeed, Haskins was busy taking a selfie when his team was supposed to be in victory formation, and his backup had to suffer the -1 rush yard.

Nice to see Haskins taking care of his fantasy managers like that.

 
VikingFrog said:
Haskins or Winston?
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KingPrawn said:
Say What?
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Irishod said:
I’m not a big Winston fan, but he didn’t do that.  
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VikingFrog said:
The poster states Keenum, so I’m wondering if he’s referring to Haskins.
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Arodin said:
Indeed, Haskins was busy taking a selfie when his team was supposed to be in victory formation, and his backup had to suffer the -1 rush yard.

Nice to see Haskins taking care of his fantasy managers like that.
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Yeah, somehow ended up in the wrong thread.  In my defense, it’s easy to see some striking similarities between Haskins and Winston.  🤷‍♂️

 
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SayWhat? said:
Anyone catch the fact that he didn’t take the final kneel down snap because he was up near the stands taking selfies?  Keenum had to go into the game to do it for him.  What a *ucking as* clown. 
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Similar QB?  Lol.  I guess all these QB's look alike to you?

 
SayWhat? said:
Anyone catch the fact that he didn’t take the final kneel down snap because he was up near the stands taking selfies?  Keenum had to go into the game to do it for him.  What a *ucking as* clown. 
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Don't

 
Dr. Dan said:
and he leads the league in INTs. If there was a stat for "awful decision INTs" Winston would probably set the nfl record
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My point is what makes a "bad QB?"  He clearly has a penchant for turning it over.  No arguing that.  He also makes multiple "wow" throws every week.  The Bucs are 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 4th in the NFL in pass yards per game.  How do you call the QB who runs that offense "bad?"

But, they're 31st in points allowed.  If the defense shows up like they did yesterday they will win more than they lose because Jameis makes enough plays to cover up for the turnovers.  When they're getting scored on constantly he can't.      

 
Grahamburn said:
My point is what makes a "bad QB?"  He clearly has a penchant for turning it over.  No arguing that.  He also makes multiple "wow" throws every week.  The Bucs are 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 4th in the NFL in pass yards per game.  How do you call the QB who runs that offense "bad?"
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Against Carolina earlier this year, Winston had 5 INTs and a QBR of 6.4.  But hey, the Bucs scored 26 pts and he had 400 yards so he wasn't "bad".

He can compile all the stats in the world, but his QBR is currently 19th and his QB Rating is currently 28th.

 
Grahamburn said:
My point is what makes a "bad QB?"  He clearly has a penchant for turning it over.  No arguing that.  He also makes multiple "wow" throws every week.  The Bucs are 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 4th in the NFL in pass yards per game.  How do you call the QB who runs that offense "bad?"

But, they're 31st in points allowed.  If the defense shows up like they did yesterday they will win more than they lose because Jameis makes enough plays to cover up for the turnovers.  When they're getting scored on constantly he can't.      
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He's not bad. He's worse than bad - he's tantalizingly talented yet hopelessly flawed.

You want to coach or manage the bad down to manageable levels but it isn't happening and I don't see any reason for optimism. You want him to break through his "glass ceiling" but unfortunately, he IS the glass ceiling.

 
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Grahamburn said:
My point is what makes a "bad QB?"  He clearly has a penchant for turning it over.  No arguing that.  He also makes multiple "wow" throws every week.  The Bucs are 3rd in the NFL in points per game and 4th in the NFL in pass yards per game.  How do you call the QB who runs that offense "bad?"

But, they're 31st in points allowed.  If the defense shows up like they did yesterday they will win more than they lose because Jameis makes enough plays to cover up for the turnovers.  When they're getting scored on constantly he can't.      
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Part of the reason they give up so many points is Jameis consistently puts the defense in a bad position.

 
no joke, behind McCaffrey, he's the second highest scoring player overall in our league (which has no penalty for interceptions and a bonus for 300+ yard games!)

 
As I said a while back, Winston is a younger Ryan Fitzpatrick.  He will get a lot of yards, a lot of scores and a lot of interceptions.  Time has proven this to be the case.  I wouldn't call him a bad or awful QB per se, but he's not a dependable one you can rely on to get anywhere after December. 

 
I am at the point as a Bucs fan that...while I LOVE his ability to throw downfield...I think we can find another guy to replicate the Net result.  He can't be elite. It sucks because if he grew out of this inconsistent phase he'd be elite...and that is what we all covet.

 
You can slam Jameis, god knows there is enough reason to do that but please don’t come in here and be like the Bucs defense is bad because he puts them in bad situations. That is comically incorrect. Other than yesterday that  defense is straight trash no matter where the ball starts. 

 
fruity pebbles said:
Better than the Ravens for example. Think you’re discounting what 27 turnovers in 11 games will do to a defense.
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Lol no I am not. I’ve watched them get rocked all year. Guess it’s happening everywhere. That many YPP is pretty bad no matter what but obviously the turnovers are game losers. 

 
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Grahamburn said:
He's Brett Favre. 
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Minus the ability to win. I have no doubt that if he was ever on a playoff team, he would most certainly serve up the game losing INT in crunch time.

 
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