QB Jameis Winston, NYG (4 Viewers)

[Faust]

What does Jameis Winston's 33 TD/30 INT season tell us about his future?

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston’s dynasty fantasy outlook for 2020 and beyond

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston comp at the center of Buccaneers QB questions

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston was seen with a cast on his injured right thumb in an Instagram story posted Tuesday.

The former Heisman winner suffered a hairline fracture in his throwing thumb in Week 14 but still appeared in all 16 games for Tampa Bay. The cast would suggest Winston underwent surgery at some point. Headed for free agency this offseason, most reports suggest the Bucs will retain Winston on the franchise tag, which carries a projected $26.895 million salary for 2020. The fifth-year gunslinger led the sport in passing yards this past season—his 5,109 were the eighth-most in NFL history—but also committed a league-high 30 interceptions.

SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter

Jan 14, 2020, 4:03 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston Undergoes Lasik Eye Surgery After Throwing 30 INT in 2019

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston underwent LASIK surgery to repair his vision.

It's not a game-changer, but it is notable with Winston eyeing (no pun intended) a new contract. The 26-year-old has infamously squinted as a result of being nearsighted throughout his career, leading coach Bruce Arians to state he "can’t read the scoreboard but he can see the guys in front of him" in his final press conference. Winston led the NFL with 5,109 passing yards and 33 touchdowns last year but is obviously having his decision-making questioned for the 30 picks that went with those marks. It's unknown if anyone associated with the team requested Winston have the surgery.

SOURCE: ProFootballTalk on Twitter

Feb 12, 2020, 4:52 PM ET

 

[TheWinz]

Has the NFL's passing yardage leader ever lost his job the following year?

 

[The Frankman]

Eff it. Gamechanger. Gonna draft him in the 8th round upcoming fantasy football season in a 14 teamer.

 

[travdogg]

Has the NFL's passing yardage leader ever lost his job the following year?

To the best of my knowledge, never. On the flip side though, when was the last time a guy threw 30 INT's and kept his job?

 

[TheWinz]

To the best of my knowledge, never. On the flip side though, when was the last time a guy threw 30 INT's and kept his job?

Favre threw 29 and kept his.  And he had 13 less TD's and over 1200 less yards

 

 

[ZWK]

Has the NFL's passing yardage leader ever lost his job the following year?

The Packers traded Tobin Rote to the Lions after he led the NFL in passing yards & touchdowns. Rote proceeded to lead the Lions to an NFL title over the Browns.

 

[bombjack]

This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions.

The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses?

 

[Grahamburn]

This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions.

The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses?

LASIK is FDA-approved for those 18 and older. Most providers encourage young adults to wait until their mid-20s because, until this time, a person's prescription may be still changing.

 

[bombjack]

Fair, but what about contacts or goggles / glasses?

 

[Grahamburn]

Fair, but what about contacts or goggles / glasses?

He has mentioned in the past that contacts bothered him when he played. 

 

[TheWinz]

Jameis Winston, astronaut.  A man barely alive.  Gentlemen, we can rebuild him.  We have the technology.  We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man.  Jameis Winston will be that man. Better than he was before.  Better, stronger, faster.

 

[tangfoot]

Jameis Winston, astronaut.  A man barely alive.  Gentlemen, we can rebuild him.  We have the technology.  We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man.  Jameis Winston will be that man. Better than he was before.  Better, stronger, faster.

Am I the only one who heard the sound effect in my head as they were reading this?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I gotta say I never saw this coming.  But then again, neither did Jameis.

 

[tangfoot]

I gotta say I never saw this coming.  But then again, neither did Jameis.

I'm genuinely surprised you didn't see this coming, based on your avatar.

 

[voiceofunreason]

He has mentioned in the past that contacts bothered him when he played. 

Gotta keep the excuse for his contract year. Strangely he could see his teammates just not the other defenders.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Jokes aside, the thing I really don't trust about him is the staying in shape situation. This is the guy that if you hand him a huge contract now, he's never lifting a weight or running on a treadmill ever again. Then on the other side of that equation, you have Cam Newton who did do all those things and still played terrible. 

 

[TwinTurbo]

This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions.

The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses?

It's like an NFL reboot of Major League except in this version Ricky Vaughn plays QB and gets Lasik. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Gotta keep the excuse for his contract year. Strangely he could see his teammates just not the other defenders.

I'm thinking that he couldn't tell the difference.

 

[inyoutees]

I'm thinking that he couldn't tell the difference.

Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be.  PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger

 

[rockaction]

Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be.  PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger

Deep Ball Project over at Football Outsiders also has him rated lowly on truly deep passes. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be.  PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger

From an FF perspective he's been underrated imo. 

 

[voiceofunreason]

I'm thinking that he couldn't tell the difference.

Lasik fixes being color blind? Cool.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Deep Ball Project over at Football Outsiders also has him rated lowly on truly deep passes. 

Never clicked with DeSean Jackson.

 

[acme]

The Packers traded Tobin Rote to the Lions after he led the NFL in passing yards & touchdowns. Rote proceeded to lead the Lions to an NFL title over the Browns.

ahhhh... the good old days...

 

[TheWinz]

Does he remain the TB starter for 2020?

 

[rockaction]

Does he remain the TB starter for 2020?

I have Godwin in dynasty now, so I hope so. 

 

[ffmail4me]

I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 

 

[The Frankman]

I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 

This. I mean if you could actually sign a better guy in FA go for it. But is Andy Dalton really anywhere near Winston's current ceiling? He'll be cheaper but that's it. Philip Rivers? LOL. Teddy Bridgewater? Certainly less error prone but risk averse also.

 

[ffmail4me]

Exactly, I think the only direction they go is backwards if they cut him and sign someone else or start a rookie. But maybe that's what they want to do? Tank for Point Break? 

 

[voiceofunreason]

I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 

He’s a coach killer. Move on. Better chance of winning with Dalton.

 

[travdogg]

I have Godwin in dynasty now, so I hope so. 

Godwin might be even better with Rivers. Godwin is in a lot of ways, a more athletic Keenan Allen, and the Bucs pass protect a ton better than the Chargers do, and don't get super run heavy inside the redzone like the Chargers do.

I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 

Just because he threw for 5,000 yards and 30 TD's, doesn't mean he was a good, or even decent QB last year. Baker Mayfield was the only QB last year with a worse TD/INT ratio. Only Mayfield and Josh Allen had a worse comp%, and only Mayfield had a worse passer rating among 16 game starters. Unlike those guys Winston isn't a guy in his first 30 starts he's a guy with 5 years starting. 

Winston isn't a good QB. He shouldn't be starting for anyone in my opinion. He hasn't improved one bit since his rookie year, and has arguably regressed. Its ironic since they shared a team, but he's basically Fitzpatrick. He can get hot for short stretches, but never sustains it. Let's not forget with the same weapons, Fitzpatrick outplayed Winston in 2018.

Tampa Bay is set up very well for fantasy purposes. But, NFL wise, Winston hurt them more than he helped them. Rivers would add at least 2 wins to the team, Dalton would be an upgrade as well. Tampa has the best 1-2 punch at WR in the NFL a solid o-line, a good playcaller, and arguably the division with the least amount of defense. Its almost ideal conditions for a QB.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

This. I mean if you could actually sign a better guy in FA go for it. But is Andy Dalton really anywhere near Winston's current ceiling? He'll be cheaper but that's it. Philip Rivers? LOL. Teddy Bridgewater? Certainly less error prone but risk averse also.

Not in stats, but the team doesn't care about that. Will Dalton put them in bad positions that require slinging it like crazy in the second half? Will he make the wrong throw at exactly the wrong time? Will he turn it over nearly three dozen times?

Dalton won't make the Bucs a more explosive team, or more fun to watch. But he just might make them a better team. 

 

[habsfan]

Thinking Winston can be unlocked to take this big step forward is a fool's errand.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Not in stats, but the team doesn't care about that. Will Dalton put them in bad positions that require slinging it like crazy in the second half? Will he make the wrong throw at exactly the wrong time? Will he turn it over nearly three dozen times?

Dalton won't make the Bucs a more explosive team, or more fun to watch. But he just might make them a better team. 

It doesn't really matter if you have a Dalton or a Winston. But some needy team will sign him and pay him a lot of money for brief moments of brilliance surrounded by long stretches of suckiness. Teams do this all the time with coaching retreads too. See Jets.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The middle ground would be to tag him for one year. How much would that cost though?

 

[TheWinz]

I have Godwin in dynasty now, so I hope so. 

At first glance, I thought losing Winston would bring Godwin's stock down.  But consider this - if Godwin can have a 71.1% catch percentage with a guy who throws at a 60.7% rate, could he approach Michael Thomas levels with an accurate QB?  How many WR's are 10% higher than their QB?  The list is quite small, and if we are talking about fantasy relevant guys, you can count them on one hand.

 

[rockaction]

At first glance, I thought losing Winston would bring Godwin's stock down.  But consider this - if Godwin can have a 71.1% catch percentage with a guy who throws at a 60.7% rate, could he approach Michael Thomas levels with an accurate QB?  How many WR's are 10% higher than their QB?  The list is quite small, and if we are talking about fantasy relevant guys, you can count them on one hand.

 I guess if you're going to drill down the numbers, that makes sense. It just seemed like with Jameis's arm and Arians's system, Godwin benefitted. That could be at total first blush, though, and I'd be happy to be wrong. I think the big thing for Godwin was getting to run routes more frequently than under Koetter. 

 

[TheWinz]

 I guess if you're going to drill down the numbers, that makes sense. It just seemed like with Jameis's arm and Arians's system, Godwin benefitted. That could be at total first blush, though, and I'd be happy to be wrong. I think the big thing for Godwin was getting to run routes more frequently than under Koetter. 

He had more targets per snap in 2018 when he played behind both Evans and Humphries than he had in 2019.  I think the fear in FF is that a WR will decline with a QB change, but that's not always the case.  Many times it's just the opposite.  He had better per game stats with Fitz vs Jameis in 2018.  He will be fine in 2020 no matter who is throwing to him.  A definite hold in dynasty. 

 

[rockaction]

 A definite hold in dynasty. 

Many have him as a top ten-twenty guy overall, even. Certainly worth a ton. 

 

[Capella]

The middle ground would be to tag him for one year. How much would that cost though?

27M I believe. My guess is that is what happens and they draft a QB. 

 

[Faust]

Coach Bruce Arians said the Bucs have yet to make a decision on Jameis Winston's future with the team.

"Really nothing has changed," Arians said. "You get about three days to decide. The legal tampering period. Is somebody going to get let go? What's the trade values? It's really monotonous right now because you don't have any answers." The Bucs have "legitimate interest" in Philip Rivers, who moved to Florida this offseason. They've also been linked to Tom Brady, Teddy Bridgewater, and Ryan Tannehill, but whether they view Rivers or any of the other options as upgrades on Winston remains to be seen. With Winston contract talks going nowhere, signs continue to point to the Bucs going in a different direction.

SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times

Feb 15, 2020, 1:00 PM ET

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Jenna Laine reports the Bucs have considered a two-year extension for Jameis Winston.

Winston would get a fully guaranteed $27 million salary this season — roughly the same the Bucs would pay him under the franchise tag — and a team option for 2021. It's not a very player-friendly deal, but re-signing with the Bucs would allow Winston to rehab his value in a scheme that saw him throw for the eighth-most yards in NFL history last year. Winston may also be a candidate for the transition tag, which would pay him $2.5 million less than being franchised. The Bucs have been strongly linked to Philip Rivers, and despite coach Bruce Arians taking multiple shots at Winston through the media, there's still a chance he's brought back on a short-term deal.

SOURCE: Jenna Laine on Twitter

Feb 21, 2020, 6:32 PM ET

 

[King of the Jungle]

Many have him as a top ten-twenty guy overall, even. Certainly worth a ton. 

Winston is a top 10–20 overall dynasty player? 

 

[rockaction]

Winston is a top 10–20 overall dynasty player? 

No, Godwin.

 

[The Frankman]

I hope that people look at Winston in redraft and think he sucks and will never learn so I can take him late. The last two QBs I've taken late have won the MVP (2018 Mahomes 11th in a 14-teamer, 2019 Lamar Jackson in the 6th). I'd love it if his ADP stays north of 120.