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QB Jordan Love, GB (3 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Meh
worrierking
Footballguy
I can't believe they sat his mom and girlfriend in the last row. That would never happen to Rodgers. They were next to Bob Uecker!
Capella
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Balco
Footballguy
My biggest fear as a Packer fan is Gut/Lafleur are stubborn with Love and he goes into camp camp competing for job. Cut your losses and get two qbs in there with upside. Honestly would rather have a guy like Geno Smith as a bridge qb.
Either way, I was a fan before the Favre era began and I will be just as big a fan after the Rodgers era. Was a great run. Hoping for a methodical, smart rebuilding process.
Either way, I was a fan before the Favre era began and I will be just as big a fan after the Rodgers era. Was a great run. Hoping for a methodical, smart rebuilding process.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
The Packers really need to find a way to trade Love and extend Rodgers if they want to remain relevant. There is no reason to force a rebuild ~5 years earlier than it needs to happen. They are superbowl contenders as long as Rodgers is in town.
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Balco
Footballguy
What team in their right minds would trade for Love? Rodgers wants out and he will get his wish next year.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Those are 2 separate questions neither of which are dependent on each other. Whether Love is tradeable or not should not really be a factor in if they want to keep Rodgers or not. If he's really not tradeable like you say, that would just confirm the team should not be looking turn the reigns over to him either. However, with how desperate teams without a QB are to find one, I'm sure someone would take a chance on him, even if the team could not get a first rounder back for him so be it.
I fully expect Rodgers to be a Bronco next year, but the team should still go all out in attempts to keep him if there is any possibility of doing so.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Whether he plays again this year or not, I think it’s about 99% certain Jordan Love will be the Packers starting QB week 1 next season.Balco said:
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
I'm not some fan, but how was he supposed to do anything in this one game, where they had time to prepare for whatever he does have? IN KC. LOL.
This place, especially with QBs in the NFL, is knee-jerk city.
This place, especially with QBs in the NFL, is knee-jerk city.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, I’m a bit surprised Love is being buried after one NFL start.
Balco
Footballguy
Just to add a little context - reports out of Green Bay last year were that Love looked terrible in practices. This season you could tell that coaches were trying to hype him up a little although reports still indicated Love was struggling.
That brings us to the Chiefs game - Love did nothing to refute what was being written about him. He sailed passes, he threw curveballs, and he had a heck of a time reading defenses pre-snap.
Balco
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He’s still virtually a rookie look what all the rookie QBs have looked like this season so far.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Saw a graphic yesterday on Twitter that compared Love's stats from his first game to Favre's first game and Rodgers" first game. Love had the better stats. Good thing Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson didn't listen to the advice of fans or message board posters.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess people were expecting a guy making his first NFL start to look like Rodgers?
Did he look good? No.
Was he a complete disaster? No.
He looked as good or better as any rookie QB this season, so far.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its a social media thing. No one associated with the team has that mindset, nor do most fans. It was a tough situation for him and I think most recognize he did pretty well.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What would the story line be had Love managed to get one more TD on the board? Win the game 14-13, the Packers Defense was pretty strong all game, didn't break when they knew the offense couldn't score.
What if the Packers had won 14-13? Would fans say start Love again?
What if the Packers had won 14-13? Would fans say start Love again?
Balco
Footballguy
I think if Rodgers is out you have to start Love again. And no, an additional td would not change my view on his performance.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I could see him on waiver wires in shallow start 1qb leagues, even if Rodgers wasn't on the team.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
How is that? You said people are burying Love after one start, I'm saying perhaps it isn't important to keep him in shallow start 1qb regardless of Rodgers' situation.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Love looked bad but as Doc said he is essentially a rookie - gonna take time.
Regardless - If Im Green Bay - after watching the Brady situation in New England I just cant see how they could let Rodgers walk away when he could keep them in Super Bowl talk for at least another 5 yrs....admit the mistake with Love...dump him for whatever you can get...make nice and move forward. The alternative is being one of the bottom feeders for years trying to solve the QB mystery - this isnt Big Ben on his last legs here...
Regardless - If Im Green Bay - after watching the Brady situation in New England I just cant see how they could let Rodgers walk away when he could keep them in Super Bowl talk for at least another 5 yrs....admit the mistake with Love...dump him for whatever you can get...make nice and move forward. The alternative is being one of the bottom feeders for years trying to solve the QB mystery - this isnt Big Ben on his last legs here...
You know @Dr. Octopus wasn't telling anyone Jordan Love is a startable fantasy QB in shallow start 1 leagues, don't you? Fun fact - Aaron Rodgers is currently QB15, and is QB13 in PPG, so even he is not important to keep in shallow start 1QB leagues.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Exactly. There's a huge gap between saying some one shouldn't be totally dismissed after his first career start to saying he should be rostered in all leagues.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I really don't like this argument. How many years does a guy get to sit in the bench before he's no longer "virtually a rookie"? I understand we're talking about a special case with Love and the 2020 season, but the 2020 qb class as a whole was phenomenal, why does he get to slide into this 2021 mediocre group because he was lucky enough to spend an extra year learning his offense's system? Shouldn't we be putting more pressure on him because of that? "Hey Love, Herbert's on his second oc and in his first game he was thrown in with less than an hour to prepare, what's your excuse for playing like Zach Wilson?"
Take whatever you will from one start, but the argument doesn't hold water.
Capella
Footballguy
He’s not virtually a rookie. He’s been in an NFL system and practices for almost 20 months now.
All the reports about him have basically been “wow is this guy bad” and then he came out and played really poorly against a terrible offense. I don’t see how Green Bay fans can take anything positive out of this at all but each their own.
All the reports about him have basically been “wow is this guy bad” and then he came out and played really poorly against a terrible offense. I don’t see how Green Bay fans can take anything positive out of this at all but each their own.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It was his first NFL start in his second season. I’m not seeing a huge distinction between him and a rookie.
It’s one game, and we’re unlikely to get to see if he would have progressed. I’m not sure if what I said was controversial.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I'm not disagreeing with your overall point, that we can't make snap judgements based on a single game, but a year spent on the bench learning an NFL system is worth so much more than years spent in a college system to the point that I still don't understand why more fringe players don't declare early, take a smaller shorter contract, and then try to cash in on their second and third while they're still relatively young. Does Love not get any sort of head start (and I'd argue a huge head start) over guys like Fields and Mack simply because he's more than accustomed to the terminology of the offense and level of the talent in players he practices against? I know practice isn't a game, but even going 75% in practice a second string NFL player is still better than some bowl team starter who didn't even end up as a udfa.
Its one game and we can toss it out as small sample size. Someone posted up thread about how he out preformed Farve and Rodgers's first starts (which is a bit of a false equivalence, both started before the league was as pass heavy and breathing on the QB was a penalty), so again, can't even give him the Nathan Peterman treatment. What we can't toss out is two years of reports that he just doesn't have "it" and hasn't been improving. You can't say that about the rookies simply because they are actually rookies.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
He absolutely has an advantage over rookies - hes been in the system and practiced for over a year - but nothing is a substitute for game action, whether its in his rookie year or 2d yr.....thats the problem with sitting these guys. On one hand its an advantage to sit and learn but on the other hand they need at least a season of game action to be evaluated so you cant even expect to properly evaluate a QB until yr 3 if he sits a yr. Heck there were still people convinced Darnold was a franchise QB after 3 full lousy seasons.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I said he might not be rosterable in some shallow start 1 QB leagues and said nothing about whether he’s startable.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
There was some good and some bad, as expected. He made some throws and missed some, had a dumb fumble, got better as the game went along. Lots of overreaction for critics and fans alike.
Rosterable and startable are one and the same to me. Why would anyone roster someone they wouldn't start?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
habsfan
Footballguy
Or redraft leagues with skillful managers because players you wouldn't think of starting today are often starters tomorrow.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Was a 3rd round caliber prospect at the time in my opinion. I agree, I'd be shocked if they got anything higher than a day 3 pick for him. Arguably 7 QBs in this draft who are better too.
