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QB Justin Fields, PIT (2 Viewers)
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Team Chaos
Footballguy
It makes me wonder if the new regime has already decided that he isn't their guy, so they are good with throwing him out there with very little support.
Hopefully they still manage to put some upgrades around him.
If they've decided that, then they were already horrible hires. Fields is the most important thing on the Bears right now and going forward.
Team Chaos
Footballguy
I agree. They wouldn't be the first horrible hires by the Bears though. I'm not saying that's the case. I will say that I have been disappointed in the lack of effort in putting talent around him.
For now, I will assume that they have a plan and are working at it.
Having been a Bears fan for 40 years, I am somewhat used to being underwhelmed.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I just think given their cap situation there's no choice but to tear things down and hope Fields can survive it.
Chicken or egg question. Since Fields was throwing to 3 future first round picks in 2020, was it the WRs that helped the QB or the QB who helped the WRs? Seems like a similar situation to Tua because Tua had 4 future first round WRs he was throwing to, and now there are doubts about Tua's long term prospects. Does Fields have the same questions if he is disappointing this year?
wgoldsph
Footballguy
He's currently got Mooney and not much else to throw to at the moment, so it would be hard for him to put up numbers this year, even if he gets a coach who isn't actively trying to get him killed every play.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I’m not big on qbs from power teams for this reason. They just have so much more talent then the opponent, it’s hard to evaluate them. The biggest break for Mahomes is the Bears wanted Trubisky. They just have no concept on how to develop a qb.
Team Chaos
Footballguy
This is my concern. It's not that I don't like the defensive backs that the Bears picked up in the second round, but I would think that strengthening the offense around Fields would be the priority. Hopefully the new coaching staff is seeing potential in the players that they inherited on offense.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Justin Fields may set a record for rushing yards by a QB since he's unlikely to have many WRs open.
Boy, if that is the case, then Poles was one of the worst GM hires in history.
Fields should be the centerpiece of the roster. He's more important/valuable than anyone else in Chicago, player, coach , or GM.
Might be a minority opinion, but Bryce Young is probably the only QB in the 2023 class I'd take over Fields.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I agree, I just don't them not being committed to Fields for at least 2 more seasons. It'd be a complete waste of resources to address QB next year, pretty much regardless of how Fields does.
A quality QB class next year, likely means trading down to acquire more picks, if the season goes as poorly as some think it may.
flapgreen
Footballguy
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
100% not the case. Poles is getting the Bears out from under the cap hell made by Ryan Pace this year and addressing the OL as well as a pitiful DB room. Signing a big name WR free agent makes no sense right now.
I expect an up and down learning year from Fields and a top 1/3 draft pick in 2023. Enough ups to prove he's a top half starter in the league and enough downs to give some good learning experience. In 23, I fully expect Poles to go after the WR position in the draft and free agency in an effort to compete in 24-25 BEFORE the renewal of Field's rookie contract.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
QB's make receivers much more than WR make QB though. If Fields is the real deal he'll get more out of the WR's than Hopkins could out of the mess they had prior to Kyler for example. No doubt they need to get better talent, but an elite QB (not sure he's that yet?) raises everyone else's play. He's also able to lift the OL a bit with his mobility. He did a good job at OSU moving around and making more opportunities.
Someone above said he had more time in college to throw and survey and that's true, but nearly all of it was from Fields being patient and mobile. The OL was not good when he was there. But Fields did a great job sliding around and keeping his eyes downfield. OSU has a long history of mobile QB and guys like Prior and Braxton Miller were killers with their feet but the real assassins were the Troy Smiths and Justin Fields that used their legs as a threat but stayed patient and looked downfield while they moved. Lots of throwing lanes open up when DB's all of a sudden have to change the angle the ball might come from or get caught looking to close in on the running QB.
Fields reminded me of Aaron Rodgers (mobility/patience, not overall talent yet) in that he slides around, decides if something is there, and if not tucks it and runs. In college he spent a lot of time dancing and scanning, way more than he'll be able to in the NFL, but you can't blame him when he's throwing to Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jamieson Williams, Jeremy Ruckert, heck Austin Mack and KJ Hill were very good college WR too - why wouldn't you stand there all day and just wait that out? I expect he'll tuck it and run a little earlier and more often because the DL in the NFL are just too fast and too good.
That is going to be how he survives this rebuild and why I think he'll come out just fine. He's got a lot of experience in how to hang around, see what happens, and get out of dodge when necessary. He'll just need to speed up the clock in the bigs.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't think it can be overstated how vanilla and predictable the Bears offense was under Nagy. I realize the OL gets a lot of blame and likely for good reason(s), but I just really don't think you can evaluate what they did when they played in an environment where everybody watching knew what was coming and the DL *had* to be able to see it, too. They didn't call hardly any designed runs for Fields last year and it was only after Nagy was impressed by Fields ability that he started adding more in.
Pffft. One of the first things the new regime did IIRC is start putting in RPO stuff. I'm not saying their OL is going to improve by leaps and bounds but predictability would crush a HOF quality line. I'm hoping to see a lot of improvement. I admit I saw some issues in Fields' technique last year as well and hope these reports of him improving his mechanics are reflective of a year 2 leap. Bear Goggles On!!
Pffft. One of the first things the new regime did IIRC is start putting in RPO stuff. I'm not saying their OL is going to improve by leaps and bounds but predictability would crush a HOF quality line. I'm hoping to see a lot of improvement. I admit I saw some issues in Fields' technique last year as well and hope these reports of him improving his mechanics are reflective of a year 2 leap. Bear Goggles On!!
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
The Jalen Hurts of 2022. Could see 1000 yard rushing season from him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Lord I hope you're right. The 16 tea SF league I took over has Fields/Lance, so any positive updates on both is music to my ears. Praying hard.
As both a Bears fan and Fields owner in a dynasty league, I certainly want to see him succeed.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Pretty dang good highlight reel here. I'll be the first to tell you I saw some bad things last year from him but nothing I thought couldn't be fixed or that would justify how low he is going in drafts. One interesting thing about this video - there is only one play where he scrambles (at the 5:00 mark).
https://twitter.com/TheHonestNFL/status/1550848564527566848?s=20&t=Nk-cXNxbee4ufKNhFI6MRg
https://twitter.com/TheHonestNFL/status/1550848564527566848?s=20&t=Nk-cXNxbee4ufKNhFI6MRg
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I love Fields as a player but he arguably has the worst o-line and worst receivers in the league. He's been set up to fail. Hopefully he can rise above it but it's not an easy path.
Chaka
Footballguy
He checks all the boxes for a modern NFL QB but I really worry that his career may fail at launch with so much upheaval around him. Hopefully Eberflus and co. can figure this out because I think Fields could be a lot of fun to watch.
Preston Williams might be the #5 or #6 WR in Miami. He could become the #2 in Chicago and would be cheap, like a 6th round pick.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The Justin Herbert owner in the 16 team league where I took over a team is interested in dealing him.
Fields is my QB2, and I’m very tempted to offer him fields, a wide receiver, and my 2023 1st round pick for Herbert to see if he bites.
My trepidation is that it Fields turns out to be the real deal, I would essentially be giving away a first round pick and a competent wide receiver for questionable future gain.
It’s just so hard to judge Felds’ value, and determine the velocity at which he might improve, as well as the team around him (as you suggest).
Like, once the Bears get through a painful 2022, can, and do we trust the them to surround Fields with talent?
Like you, I love the player, but hate the situation.
Chaka
Footballguy
Anything would help but I don't think Preston Williams moves the needle much for Chicago's prospects in 2022.
Chaka
Footballguy
I play in a SF league so I am generally skewed in favor of QBs but there is nothing questionable about locking in a guy who can easily finish as the #1 QB in fantasy any given season for the next 5-10 years.
The only QB I don't give up for Herbert is Josh Allen.
The ROI on Fields is so cloudy right now. The current staff didn't draft him and the Bears have done nothing to add talent to the offense this year. Fields career may be turning into a Greek tragedy in real time.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So you’re saying I should make the offer & see what happens?
Chaka
Footballguy
I would but, like I said, my baseline logic comes from super-flex not one QB leagues.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is superflex.
Faust
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Jordan Schultz @Scultz_Report
Some great news #Bears’ fans: Justin Fields has “blown away” the staff thus far, according to one team source I spoke with. “His mechanics have improved, he’s in great shape, he works at it and he really cares. Luke [Getsy] loves him.”
