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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (16 Viewers)
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In his defense he's been dealing with injuries and I'm sure will look a lot better next year but the how/why is a barren FA WR market and what right now projects as down year for the WR class relative to what we've seen in the past few seasons.
I still view it as a really bad trade by Poles even if Claypool does ok next season because the team is not contention ready and he's in the last year of his deal. So now they got to try and extend him or risk him walking after next season and either way you got to pay decent money to him or lose him so none of it makes sense to me, especially when he seemed to approach the off-season last year with a do next to nothing approach at addressing WR.
I think it'd be really lame to sit Fields in week 18. He's only 60-some rushing yards from the record. The Bears could use the positive of having a player set a positive record a ton. I think worrying that somebody will get hurt in a meaningless game is stupid, especially since the Bears have been having meaningless games since November.
It's one thing when its a playoff team saving guys for next week, or a Carr situation where you are getting rid of him in the offseason, and don't wanna be on the hook for his salary if he goes down, but those situations don't apply at all.
Also of note, and something I find interesting, is that none of the running QBs who got hurt this year, got hurt running (other than Kyler I guess, but that was non-contact and shouldn't count in my opinion) Fields/Lamar/Hurts all got hurt getting sacked. Just something I find interesting, with the idea that running QBs are more likely to get hurt.
It's one thing when its a playoff team saving guys for next week, or a Carr situation where you are getting rid of him in the offseason, and don't wanna be on the hook for his salary if he goes down, but those situations don't apply at all.
Also of note, and something I find interesting, is that none of the running QBs who got hurt this year, got hurt running (other than Kyler I guess, but that was non-contact and shouldn't count in my opinion) Fields/Lamar/Hurts all got hurt getting sacked. Just something I find interesting, with the idea that running QBs are more likely to get hurt.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good point on the sacks. QBs in general are more vulnerable while looking downfield for a receiver than running like an RB.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
CHI HOU and IND all trying so hard to lose their last game
Referee: heads or tails?
Team Captain: we’ll defer
Referee: No, you can only defer after winning the coin toss.
Team Captain: can we let them call it?
Bluesbomber
Footballguy
I hope they asked him his choice to play for the record or save himself from some more hits unless he is hurt. He has taken a lot of abuse from shuffling O line and having little recieving weopons.
Lovie Smith gifting the #1 pick to the Bears would be pretty sweet of him.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Actually smart for the Bears to get that out. only they know what direction they are going, it makes teams up their offers.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
As long as Justin is in on the game. If he’s not aware of this as a leverage play it risks turning him against the management. A lot of folks would react negatively if in that situation.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
You can bet they are telling him "It's just smoke" whether it's actually smoke or not.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I've said this elsewhere but I don't think there is anything wrong with just saying "Fields is our guy and we're gonna draft Young if nobody trades up and that Young will still be on the block." They would still hold all the cards and there wouldn't be any BS with where Fields stands." They haven't said that, though. They have said Fields is their guy.
I think there just isn't any reason to say much of anything about who they'll take at 1.01 until more time has passed when they can plausibly say they've done their due diligence and have come to the conclusion that Young is their guy and/or that they feel his value was to good to not draft and then shop.
My hunch is that Fields is indeed their guy and that they will get a haul for 1.01. Not because of gamesmanship but because they simply hold a winning lottery ticket and none of this **** really matters because they're going to get real good offers.
I think there just isn't any reason to say much of anything about who they'll take at 1.01 until more time has passed when they can plausibly say they've done their due diligence and have come to the conclusion that Young is their guy and/or that they feel his value was to good to not draft and then shop.
My hunch is that Fields is indeed their guy and that they will get a haul for 1.01. Not because of gamesmanship but because they simply hold a winning lottery ticket and none of this **** really matters because they're going to get real good offers.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
But yeah for fear of alienating Fields I would recommend coming clean and just saying hey we're gonna draft Young and shop him if nobody moves up with a big offer.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree. I never for a second thought they would move Fields.
It felt like another way of maybe trying to leverage the trade. “Well, we might just pick at 1. What will you offer us now?” kinda thing.
It wouldn’t make a lot of sense to move fields for a question mark just as Fields looks like he’s figuring things out at the NFL level.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Tbh as a Fields shareholder I hope they do deal him to a better organization.
If he’s at all speculating about his future after the steps he took forward on a team that had trash around him, he’s better off elsewhere.
If he’s at all speculating about his future after the steps he took forward on a team that had trash around him, he’s better off elsewhere.
I think that's arguable given they ended up with the worst record.
Chase Claypool 2023 Stats per Game - NFL - ESPN
The 2023 NFL season stats per game for Chase Claypool of the Buffalo Bills on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.
I don't see how Claypool goes from a WR3/4 (4th/5th option if you include Muth) on Pitt averaging about 4-50 (6 target avverage) with Tribusky and a rookie QB to a WR2 on Chicago and musters about 2-20 with Fields (4 target average). Oh...his high yardage total with Chicago came with a backup.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Team sport.
Fields looked hugely improved. The game is clearly slowing down for him, he made some fantastic throws to the whopping 2 weapons he had in Kmet & Mooney, and he damn near set a record for QB rushing.
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The bears as a team stink. They had a trash OL, no depth at WR, and their RBs struggled.
Both of these can be true at the same time.
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Can't say enough how he seemed to improve just after Claypool arrived.I think that's arguable given they ended up with the worst record.
Chase Claypool 2023 Stats per Game - NFL - ESPN
The 2023 NFL season stats per game for Chase Claypool of the Buffalo Bills on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.www.espn.com
I don't see how Claypool goes from a WR3/4 (4th/5th option if you include Muth) on Pitt averaging about 4-50 (6 target avverage) with Tribusky and a rookie QB to a WR2 on Chicago and musters about 2-20 with Fields (4 target average). Oh...his high yardage total with Chicago came with a backup.
I didn't watch them closely enough or read enough to know why but there's either a clear impact or strong coincidence.
Maybe the D doubling Claypool as the only threat? Maybe it's as simple as he saw some things and encouraged Fields?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Claypool hardly played the first couple of games - he wasn't quick to absorb the new playbook. But it did open things up for Kmet & Mooney (until Mooney got hurt. my fault - I traded for him. Sorry) - but he should be better next year, and he's certainly more legit of a WR2 than any of the other scrubs they're rolling out there.Can't say enough how he seemed to improve just after Claypool arrived.I think that's arguable given they ended up with the worst record.
Chase Claypool 2023 Stats per Game - NFL - ESPN
The 2023 NFL season stats per game for Chase Claypool of the Buffalo Bills on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.
I don't see how Claypool goes from a WR3/4 (4th/5th option if you include Muth) on Pitt averaging about 4-50 (6 target avverage) with Tribusky and a rookie QB to a WR2 on Chicago and musters about 2-20 with Fields (4 target average). Oh...his high yardage total with Chicago came with a backup.
I didn't watch them closely enough or read enough to know why but there's either a clear impact or strong coincidence.
Maybe the D doubling Claypool as the only threat? Maybe it's as simple as he saw some things and encouraged Fields?
They absolutely need to bring in FAs or rookie WRs. Hopefully in a trade down they'll pick up an early 2nd and get one of the less heralded rookies.
They did have a rookie some here liked but he just looked like a return guy as a rookie. Needs a big second year jumpClaypool hardly played the first couple of games - he wasn't quick to absorb the new playbook. But it did open things up for Kmet & Mooney (until Mooney got hurt. my fault - I traded for him. Sorry) - but he should be better next year, and he's certainly more legit of a WR2 than any of the other scrubs they're rolling out there.Can't say enough how he seemed to improve just after Claypool arrived.I think that's arguable given they ended up with the worst record.
Chase Claypool 2023 Stats per Game - NFL - ESPN
The 2023 NFL season stats per game for Chase Claypool of the Buffalo Bills on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.
I don't see how Claypool goes from a WR3/4 (4th/5th option if you include Muth) on Pitt averaging about 4-50 (6 target avverage) with Tribusky and a rookie QB to a WR2 on Chicago and musters about 2-20 with Fields (4 target average). Oh...his high yardage total with Chicago came with a backup.
I didn't watch them closely enough or read enough to know why but there's either a clear impact or strong coincidence.
Maybe the D doubling Claypool as the only threat? Maybe it's as simple as he saw some things and encouraged Fields?
They absolutely need to bring in FAs or rookie WRs. Hopefully in a trade down they'll pick up an early 2nd and get one of the less heralded rookies.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Raw? Most said he was pro ready due to being in college until he was 26
But he wasn't. That's what we're saying.
He might be a typical rookie and need some time to develop- not this new standard of big contributions day one. Maybe he is just a part timer ST guy.
Would you draft another WR highly if you were the Bears GM? Plan on him?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly. Jones was a bit less than advertised. Could take a step next year. There’s often growing pains.
As for drafting a WR, I’ve seen Cedric Tillman mocked to the Bears more than a few times.
6’3”, decent route runner, good hands. Would be a nice fit with Mooney on the other side.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL Rookie Watch
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Justin Fields said that he would “no doubt” love if the Bears drafted Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Fields and Njigba were teammates on Ohio State in 2020.
The Bears currently hold two picks within the first two rounds of the NFL Draft (No. 1, No. 56)
@NFLRookieWatxh
Justin Fields said that he would “no doubt” love if the Bears drafted Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Fields and Njigba were teammates on Ohio State in 2020.
The Bears currently hold two picks within the first two rounds of the NFL Draft (No. 1, No. 56)
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The Bears should move Fields now for a bundle of picks while his value is still probably pretty high.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not sure why they should move Fields for telling the truth about Chicago weather.
It’s not exactly a secret. Its moniker is “the Windy City”.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Is a trade really that bad of a move for the Bears? They could get a QB who would likely project to be better than Fields long term and they beef up other areas of need with another very high draft pick. Fields has already said that he's uncomfortable playing in the Chicago weather. A trade could be a win-win for both the Bears and Fields.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s hot take season. I’ve seen a couple with this one.
I can’t see why they’d move off of Fields unless they get a godfather offer for him.
Then they get to choose between Stroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson and hope they don’t pick a bust.
Seems foolish to invest this much time in Fields and throw him back for whatever is behind door #2.
I imagine the Bears would want some of the QB needy teams behind them to start worrying they might trade Fields and take a QB at 1.As such it likely benefits the Bears to have this rumor float around and why I think we'll be hearing it a lot more but not sure how much substance is behind it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, that’s a good point. Drive the price up. They should be careful. They might accidentally get an offer they can’t refuse.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
All I know is the Bears are in such a good position right now. They could go a number of directions and none of them would be wrong IMO.
Don’t sell them short. The Bears are definitely capable of screwing this up.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Assuming similar offers for the 1 or Fields, I’d trade fields. They likely would get more for trading the 1, but how much?
There’s been talk / speculation about fields in Atlanta. The fit is nice. the 8 isn’t enough but add a couple other picks and it’s worth considering.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And Chicago starts over at QB with….?
Makes zero sense. Good for ATL. Good for Fields. Terrible for ATL.
They can trade the 1, potentially multiple times (1 ~> 2, 2~> 4, 4 ~> 7) and still get an impact defensive player + a boatload of picks.
I see no logical way moving Fields makes sense for CHI
But of course, it’s CHI, so logic may not play into this.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They’d have the No. 1 pick.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Right. So they’d be starting over with Young or Stroud I assume?
Instead of parlaying that pick into multiple picks.
Seems foolish to me.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m not saying it’s what will (or should) happen, but the theory would be that they’d turn Fields into “multiple picks”, and then start over with a potentially better QB and get two extra years of a rookie contract.
Fields had an amazing season running the football but still struggles a bit in the passing game. For fantasy purposes (he’s my QB in two leagues), frankly him playing on turf in a Dome (say Atlanta) is a pretty exciting prospect so I wouldn’t be against it.
