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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (16 Viewers)

And Chicago starts over at QB with….?
They’d have the No. 1 pick.
Right. So they’d be starting over with Young or Stroud I assume?
Instead of parlaying that pick into multiple picks.

Seems foolish to me.
I’m not saying it’s what will (or should) happen, but the theory would be that they’d turn Fields into “multiple picks”, and then start over with a potentially better QB and get two extra years of a rookie contract.

Fields had an amazing season running the football but still struggles a bit in the passing game. For fantasy purposes (he’s my QB in two leagues), frankly him playing on turf in a Dome (say Atlanta) is a pretty exciting prospect so I wouldn’t be against it.
It's also not like Fields made them a playoff team. I get the talent is lacking, but saying the phrase starting over....when the team was worst in the NFL. Getting more picks to help the overall talent on that squad should be priority number 1.
Saying that, the biggest area teams need to nail is QB so they may be pretty optimistic after Fields tried to will them to some victories with some end of game heroics.
 

The Bears should move Fields now for a bundle of picks while his value is still probably pretty high.
I’m not sure why they should move Fields for telling the truth about Chicago weather.

It’s not exactly a secret. Its moniker is “the Windy City”.
He is already basically making excuses (the weather, and it's not like Chicago weather is getting better any time soon), and has shown little to indicate that he can be a franchise QB in the NFL. The Bears almost never have the 1st pick, so they could trade Fields for a handful of picks and take someone 1st overall or trade down and get even more picks and still get a 1st round QB. Fields running for a lot of yards last year still got them the worst record, so they need a lot of help.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.
 
Has their been anything credible that this is an actual of possibility?
None. It's the time of year for blind speculation. The ONLY reason to trade Fields now is to extend the rebuild time. Trade Fields, get Bryce Young and hope he isn't another of the many 1st round QB busts. That puts the Bears rebuild into competing in 25/26. Here's the thing: Poles has the most cap space available in the NFL. It makes more sense to retool the defense, pick up some FAs for the offense and let Fields play out his contract. Trading down from #1 helps with that as well.
Anyone who's watched the Bears play more than a few minutes this season has seen his improvement. It would absolutely shock me to see Fields traded. Then again, we are talking about the Bears...
 
Fields had an amazing season running the football but still struggles a bit in the passing game. For fantasy purposes (he’s my QB in two leagues), frankly him playing on turf in a Dome (say Atlanta) is a pretty exciting prospect so I wouldn’t be against it.
I don’t disagree with the the latter part, but it’s a bit unfair to say he struggled as a passer with the complete lack of weapons outside of Kmet & Mooney.

I have him in one league and would love for him to be off the Bears, but picking early in my other dynasty league I wouldn’t be thrilled about Stroud or Young on the Bears. :doh:
 
And Chicago starts over at QB with….?
They’d have the No. 1 pick.
Right. So they’d be starting over with Young or Stroud I assume?

Instead of parlaying that pick into multiple picks.

Seems foolish to me.
The only way it makes sense for the Bears is if they truly believe one of the college QBs will be better than Fields. If that’s the case, they should trade Fields. I really feel like it’s that simple.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.
That’s a good point.

Would you want Fields on the Jets?
 
And Chicago starts over at QB with….?
They’d have the No. 1 pick.
Right. So they’d be starting over with Young or Stroud I assume?

Instead of parlaying that pick into multiple picks.

Seems foolish to me.
The only way it makes sense for the Bears is if they truly believe one of the college QBs will be better than Fields. If that’s the case, they should trade Fields. I really feel like it’s that simple.
True - and someone might back up the proverbial brinks truck of draft capital/players for him.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.
That’s a good point.

Would you want Fields on the Jets?
That would be a very intriguing trade for the Jets. Do they have the coaching to develop him into a star?
 
And Chicago starts over at QB with….?
They’d have the No. 1 pick.
Right. So they’d be starting over with Young or Stroud I assume?
Instead of parlaying that pick into multiple picks.

Seems foolish to me.
I’m not saying it’s what will (or should) happen, but the theory would be that they’d turn Fields into “multiple picks”, and then start over with a potentially better QB and get two extra years of a rookie contract.

Fields had an amazing season running the football but still struggles a bit in the passing game. For fantasy purposes (he’s my QB in two leagues), frankly him playing on turf in a Dome (say Atlanta) is a pretty exciting prospect so I wouldn’t be against it.

Right. This possibility relies entirely on the bears brass thinning one of the QBs this year does better for them than Fields. Whether that’s true is anyone’s guess right now.

Take it FWIW, but Justin doesn’t exactly love the cold.

"I don't care if we're at Soldier Field, I don't care if we're at Arlington Heights. I hope we get a dome”

"It is very difficult to adjust to it, especially with the wind," Fields said of Chicago's weather. "That's what I found out. That's what it's all about, is the wind. It can be cold. It can be 10 degrees. But, with no wind you're fine. But with that 15-mile-per-hour wind, that 20-mile-per-hour wind, you can't fight it, it's tough.

"When it's that cold, you have to bundle up. I feel way slower in that cold. It's hard to stay warm in that weather."

Just saying, it’s entirely plausible to decide Stroud, Young or Levis fits the team better. Plus, the GM and coach weren’t in their seat when he was drafted.

May very well not happen but it shouldn’t be a shock if it did.

I’d be thrilled if the titans acquired fields. And he fits the offense. But Atlanta seems more likely. (Edit - I’d prefer to keep the 11 and trade later picks but that seems unlikely)
 
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I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.
That’s a good point.

Would you want Fields on the Jets?
I wanted them to draft him, so it would be tough to stomach giving up draft picks for him. For their offense I think an accurate passer fits better so there’s options I’d prefer.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.
That’s a good point.

Would you want Fields on the Jets?
I wanted them to draft him, so it would be tough to stomach giving up draft picks for him. For their offense I think an accurate passer fits better so there’s options I’d prefer.

1. Rodgers. 2. Carr?
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.
That’s a good point.

Would you want Fields on the Jets?
I wanted them to draft him, so it would be tough to stomach giving up draft picks for him. For their offense I think an accurate passer fits better so there’s options I’d prefer.

1. Rodgers. 2. Carr?
IMO Carr would be an awful fit due to not playing well in cold weather. Home games in the later months + @NEP & @BUF could be disasterous.
 
Color me shocked Fields couldn’t do much to overcome the worst OL, receiving corps, and defense in the league. Put Mahomes on the Bears and they might have won 5 games (if he even made it through the season without getting hurt).

CHI needs major upgrades in those areas. Drafting another QB at 1.01 doesn’t fix anything. It would set them back 2 years on the QB learning curve. But they could easily trade the top pick for three #1’s (plus some other stuff), flip one of those to get back into the first, and still walk away with an impact defender, OL, or WR. And they’d still have their war chest of $94 million in cap room to go grocery shopping.

I still say no way is Fields worth more in a trade than the #1 overall pick is. At least they know what they have in Fields. Anyone else is an unknown. IMO, the only way they move Fields is if they can already tell he is not an NFL impact QB. And I don’t think they feel that way.
 
Color me shocked Fields couldn’t do much to overcome the worst OL, receiving corps, and defense in the league. Put Mahomes on the Bears and they might have won 5 games (if he even made it through the season without getting hurt).

CHI needs major upgrades in those areas. Drafting another QB at 1.01 doesn’t fix anything. It would set them back 2 years on the QB learning curve. But they could easily trade the top pick for three #1’s (plus some other stuff), flip one of those to get back into the first, and still walk away with an impact defender, OL, or WR. And they’d still have their war chest of $94 million in cap room to go grocery shopping.

I still say no way is Fields worth more in a trade than the #1 overall pick is. At least they know what they have in Fields. Anyone else is an unknown. IMO, the only way they move Fields is if they can already tell he is not an NFL impact QB. And I don’t think they feel that way.
I’m of this opinion as well.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.

I see people online discussing how the Bears have 'wasted' two years of Fields' rookie contract, so starting fresh with Bryce is gaining two more years of a rookie deal.

Just to explore this a bit, the concept here is that the guy the Bears drafted is good enough to command a big 2nd contract, but they are going to get rid of him for the next guy, and 'gain' two more years of rookie deal bargains. And taking an outlier at 1.01.

I doubt that saving money on the cap three years from now enters the thinking of ANYONE remotely close to making that kind of decision.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.

I see people online discussing how the Bears have 'wasted' two years of Fields' rookie contract, so starting fresh with Bryce is gaining two more years of a rookie deal.

Just to explore this a bit, the concept here is that the guy the Bears drafted is good enough to command a big 2nd contract, but they are going to get rid of him for the next guy, and 'gain' two more years of rookie deal bargains. And taking an outlier at 1.01.

I doubt that saving money on the cap three years from now enters the thinking of ANYONE remotely close to making that kind of decision.

I think it’s simpler. Are the bears more likely to win a championship with fields and whatever they get with the 1, or by trading fields?
I realize I’m being a bit inconsistent here but I think the bears are more likely to reach a SB with their choice of the 3 and what they get for fields. But I think the titans, falcons, and a couple other teams are more likely to win with fields after giving up a fair value (less than given for Wilson or Watson for sure)
 
For those knocking Fields talking about the weather in CHI, he's not wrong. Here are the team leaders for most passing yards in a season for all 32 teams:

(Team, QB, Year, # of times team had 4K passing yards)

DEN - Peyton Manning - 5477 (2013) - 6
NOS - Drew Brees - 5476 (2011) - 12
TBB - Tom Brady - 5316 (2021) - 7
KCC - Patrick Mahomes - 5250 (2022) - 11
NEP - Tom Brady - 5235 (2011) - 13
PIT - Ben Roethlisberger - 5129 (2018) - 6
MIA - Dan Marino - 5084 (1984) - 8
DET - Matthew Stafford - 5038 (2011) - 12
LAC - Justin Herbert - 5014 (2021) - 17
ATL - Matt Ryan - 4944 (2016) - 11
NYG - Eli Manning - 4933 (2011) - 9
WAS - Kirk Cousins - 4917 (2016) - 5
DAL - Tony Romo - 4903 (2012) - 6
LAR - Matthew Stafford - 4886 (2021) - 7
HOU - Deshaun Watson - 4823 (2020) - 5
LVR - Derek Carr - 4804 (2021) - 6
IND - Andrew Luck - 4761 (2014) - 16
MIN - Daunte Culpepper - 4717 (2004) - 8
TEN - Warren Moon - 4690 (1991) - 2
ARI - Carson Palmer - 4671 (2015) - 5
GBP - Aaron Rodgers - 4643 (2011) - 17
CIN - Joe Burrow - 4611 (2021) - 6
BUF - Josh Allen - 4544 (2020) - 4
CAR - Steve Beuerlein - 4436 (1999) - 2
JAX - Blake Bortles - 4428 (2015) - 3
BAL - Joe Flacco - 4317 (2016) - 2
SEA - Geno Smith - 4282 (2022) - 5
SFO - Jeff Garcia - 4278 (2000) - 3
CLE - Brian Sipe -4132 (1980) - 1
PHI - Carson Wentz - 4039 (2019) - 1
NYJ - Joe Namath - 4007 (1967) - 1
CHI - Erik Kramer - 3838 (1995) - 0

What to make of that list and what's interesting about it? We are spoiled playing fantasy football and 4,000 passing yards seems so commonplace, but it's not.

- The Bears have been playing since 1920. They have NEVER had a QB pass for 4,000 yards in a season. Erik Kramer sits atop the Bears list.
- The Browns (Brian Sipe), Eagles (Carson Wentz), and Jets (Joe Namath!) have each had only one player accomplish a 4K passing season.
- The only quarterbacks that hold the team record for two teams are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, right? WRONG. It's Brady and Matthew Stafford.
- Seeing Steve Beuerlein, Blake Bortles, Geno Smith, and Jeff Garcia on the list just feels wrong.
- Which teams had the most 4K seasons? The Chargers and Packers are tied with 17, followed by the Colts with 16.
- I would not have guessed the Lions (12) would have more 4,000 yard seasons than the Chiefs (11).
- Seven team records come from the past 2 seasons when they went to a 17-game schedule.
- Five team records were set in 2011.
- Six team records were set prior to the 2000 season. The Jets and Namath being the earliest (1967) . . . in a 14-game season.
 
For those knocking Fields talking about the weather in CHI, he's not wrong. Here are the team leaders for most passing yards in a season for all 32 teams:

(Team, QB, Year, # of times team had 4K passing yards)

DEN - Peyton Manning - 5477 (2013) - 6
NOS - Drew Brees - 5476 (2011) - 12
TBB - Tom Brady - 5316 (2021) - 7
KCC - Patrick Mahomes - 5250 (2022) - 11
NEP - Tom Brady - 5235 (2011) - 13
PIT - Ben Roethlisberger - 5129 (2018) - 6
MIA - Dan Marino - 5084 (1984) - 8
DET - Matthew Stafford - 5038 (2011) - 12
LAC - Justin Herbert - 5014 (2021) - 17
ATL - Matt Ryan - 4944 (2016) - 11
NYG - Eli Manning - 4933 (2011) - 9
WAS - Kirk Cousins - 4917 (2016) - 5
DAL - Tony Romo - 4903 (2012) - 6
LAR - Matthew Stafford - 4886 (2021) - 7
HOU - Deshaun Watson - 4823 (2020) - 5
LVR - Derek Carr - 4804 (2021) - 6
IND - Andrew Luck - 4761 (2014) - 16
MIN - Daunte Culpepper - 4717 (2004) - 8
TEN - Warren Moon - 4690 (1991) - 2
ARI - Carson Palmer - 4671 (2015) - 5
GBP - Aaron Rodgers - 4643 (2011) - 17
CIN - Joe Burrow - 4611 (2021) - 6
BUF - Josh Allen - 4544 (2020) - 4
CAR - Steve Beuerlein - 4436 (1999) - 2
JAX - Blake Bortles - 4428 (2015) - 3
BAL - Joe Flacco - 4317 (2016) - 2
SEA - Geno Smith - 4282 (2022) - 5
SFO - Jeff Garcia - 4278 (2000) - 3
CLE - Brian Sipe -4132 (1980) - 1
PHI - Carson Wentz - 4039 (2019) - 1
NYJ - Joe Namath - 4007 (1967) - 1
CHI - Erik Kramer - 3838 (1995) - 0

What to make of that list and what's interesting about it? We are spoiled playing fantasy football and 4,000 passing yards seems so commonplace, but it's not.

- The Bears have been playing since 1920. They have NEVER had a QB pass for 4,000 yards in a season. Erik Kramer sits atop the Bears list.
- The Browns (Brian Sipe), Eagles (Carson Wentz), and Jets (Joe Namath!) have each had only one player accomplish a 4K passing season.
- The only quarterbacks that hold the team record for two teams are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, right? WRONG. It's Brady and Matthew Stafford.
- Seeing Steve Beuerlein, Blake Bortles, Geno Smith, and Jeff Garcia on the list just feels wrong.
- Which teams had the most 4K seasons? The Chargers and Packers are tied with 17, followed by the Colts with 16.
- I would not have guessed the Lions (12) would have more 4,000 yard seasons than the Chiefs (11).
- Seven team records come from the past 2 seasons when they went to a 17-game schedule.
- Five team records were set in 2011.
- Six team records were set prior to the 2000 season. The Jets and Namath being the earliest (1967) . . . in a 14-game season.
Kinda surprised Luck has the Colts record, I suppose Manning did sit out a lot of week 17 games. I would have guessed Carson Palmer held the Bengals record. Seems wrong that he had more yards passing in Arizona than in the Ocho/TJ/Henry years. Also, kind of surprising that Donovan McNabb didn't top 4039 yards.
 
I think it’s simpler. Are the bears more likely to win a championship with fields and whatever they get with the 1, or by trading fields?
I get that, and it's a fun exercise.

But everyone at the Bears was on the Fields train this time last year, and Fields had some games last year. He looked like the only thing worth keeping on offense.

And this math equation presented is slanted. It's keep Fields and take a player, or draft Young and trade for a bunch of picks*!!!!

What about keeping Fields and bending over Indy in a trade, then taking Anderson or Carter?
That seems pretty sexy
 
What about keeping Fields and bending over Indy in a trade, then taking Anderson or Carter?
That seems pretty sexy
What about trading 1.01 for 1.04, then trading 1.04 for 1.06 or 1.07?

Sooooo many more picks. And they probably still get an elite talent at 1.06-7.

Seems like they’d get even more dealing the pick twice than they would for Felds.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.

I see people online discussing how the Bears have 'wasted' two years of Fields' rookie contract, so starting fresh with Bryce is gaining two more years of a rookie deal.

Just to explore this a bit, the concept here is that the guy the Bears drafted is good enough to command a big 2nd contract, but they are going to get rid of him for the next guy, and 'gain' two more years of rookie deal bargains. And taking an outlier at 1.01.

I doubt that saving money on the cap three years from now enters the thinking of ANYONE remotely close to making that kind of decision.
I don’t disagree with any of this. You could also argue Fields has shown NFL ability, while a rookie has not.
 
I’m a fan of Fields, but If the Bears rate one these QB prospects higher than Fields it would be “dumb” not to trade Fields and take a higher upside guy at a longer cost controlled period. Fields would be eligible for a long term deal by the time they were ready to compete.

I see people online discussing how the Bears have 'wasted' two years of Fields' rookie contract, so starting fresh with Bryce is gaining two more years of a rookie deal.

Just to explore this a bit, the concept here is that the guy the Bears drafted is good enough to command a big 2nd contract, but they are going to get rid of him for the next guy, and 'gain' two more years of rookie deal bargains. And taking an outlier at 1.01.

I doubt that saving money on the cap three years from now enters the thinking of ANYONE remotely close to making that kind of decision.
I don’t disagree with any of this. You could also argue Fields has shown NFL ability, while a rookie has not.

We can agree with all that. Taking a QB is always a risk. Most people who are looking at the bears options here don’t expect them to stay at 1 if they keep fields. Trading down to 2 or 4 is practically a given in that scenario. Trading down again is certainly on the table. Again, the question is fields plus whatever they can get in deals for the 1, or the QB they want and whatever they get for fields. (When I wrote “Whatever they get with the 1” you’ll notice I didn’t say the “player they draft” or “whomever they get with the 1”
I have little doubt that they’d get more for the 1 than fields. But there’s a reason for that which they may very well agree.
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. You could also argue Fields has shown NFL ability, while a rookie has not.
This is an important point.

Also, in defense of Fields, the game clearly slowed down to the point that he was making quality defenses look silly - literally outrunning entire defenses to the house.

QBs don’t just do that without NFL-level talent.

Reading through this it’s kind of insane how good Fields was from week 7 on.

Also Mahomes scored like 25.2 PPG, while Fields scored 25.4 over that span, so for FF, wow.

And people keep saying he’s a bad passer, but his passer rating was 85+, with spikes of 119, 99, & 120, & 106, His season Ave was 85. I know PR isn’t the end all/be all, but still has value. Worth noting: for much of the year he had 2 weapons in Kmet & Mooney, and for the 1st 2 games he was there, Claypool was useless as he didn’t know the playbook. Also worth noting: Fields was the most sacked QB in the NFL. Hard to be a good passer while looking out of your earhole.

I just don’t see Fields struggles as an indictment of Fields, or a problem for the Bears to move off of. Quite the opposite - Fields was the Bears offense for much of the season & showed exactly why he’s the QB to build around.
 
If people are putting Bryce on level with these generational QBs, then I think all bets are off, and I think these are valid discussions to have.

At that size, I have a tough time with that, but doesn't mean he cannot be
 
If people are putting Bryce on level with these generational QBs, then I think all bets are off, and I think these are valid discussions to have.

At that size, I have a tough time with that, but doesn't mean he cannot be
I’m rebuilding in SF with picks 1-4. Bryce & CJ are both likely to be on my magical foozeball team. I’d give up either of them for Fields in a heartbeat.

I’m a Niner fan. I’d give the Bears Purdy and Lance for Fields.

But that’s only because I watched Fields play last year. :shrug:

ETA: yes, if Bryce turns out to be mini-Mahomes, I’ll eat some crow. I so very much want that to be true. But it’s a long shot .
 
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I didn't see this mentioned, but trading Fields and drafting a QB resets the contract. The Bears aren't close to competing and need the time. They also need a vision for the future their front office doesn't appear equipped to provide.
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. You could also argue Fields has shown NFL ability, while a rookie has not.
This is an important point.

Also, in defense of Fields, the game clearly slowed down to the point that he was making quality defenses look silly - literally outrunning entire defenses to the house.

QBs don’t just do that without NFL-level talent.

Reading through this it’s kind of insane how good Fields was from week 7 on.

Also Mahomes scored like 25.2 PPG, while Fields scored 25.4 over that span, so for FF, wow.

And people keep saying he’s a bad passer, but his passer rating was 85+, with spikes of 119, 99, & 120, & 106, His season Ave was 85. I know PR isn’t the end all/be all, but still has value. Worth noting: for much of the year he had 2 weapons in Kmet & Mooney, and for the 1st 2 games he was there, Claypool was useless as he didn’t know the playbook. Also worth noting: Fields was the most sacked QB in the NFL. Hard to be a good passer while looking out of your earhole.

I just don’t see Fields struggles as an indictment of Fields, or a problem for the Bears to move off of. Quite the opposite - Fields was the Bears offense for much of the season & showed exactly why he’s the QB to build around.
I'd make the argument too, that those are very mediocre weapons at that. Kmet would be a #2 TE on half the teams in there league, and Mooney (Claypool too) might be a #3 WR. It was really weird all year hearing people defend Aaron Rodgers or Daniel Jones for their bad WRs, but not extend that same pass to Fields.
 
If people are putting Bryce on level with these generational QBs, then I think all bets are off, and I think these are valid discussions to have.

At that size, I have a tough time with that, but doesn't mean he cannot be
I’m rebuilding in SF with picks 1-4. Bryce & CJ are both likely to be on my magical foozeball team. I’d give up either of them for Fields in a heartbeat.

I’m a Niner fan. I’d give the Bears Purdy and Lance for Fields.

But that’s only because I watched Fields play last year. :shrug:

ETA: yes, if Bryce turns out to be mini-Mahomes, I’ll eat some crow. I so very much want that to be true. But it’s a long shot .

Would you settle for Drew Brees or Russell Wilson with a better personality?
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. You could also argue Fields has shown NFL ability, while a rookie has not.
This is an important point.

Also, in defense of Fields, the game clearly slowed down to the point that he was making quality defenses look silly - literally outrunning entire defenses to the house.

QBs don’t just do that without NFL-level talent.

Reading through this it’s kind of insane how good Fields was from week 7 on.

Also Mahomes scored like 25.2 PPG, while Fields scored 25.4 over that span, so for FF, wow.

And people keep saying he’s a bad passer, but his passer rating was 85+, with spikes of 119, 99, & 120, & 106, His season Ave was 85. I know PR isn’t the end all/be all, but still has value. Worth noting: for much of the year he had 2 weapons in Kmet & Mooney, and for the 1st 2 games he was there, Claypool was useless as he didn’t know the playbook. Also worth noting: Fields was the most sacked QB in the NFL. Hard to be a good passer while looking out of your earhole.

I just don’t see Fields struggles as an indictment of Fields, or a problem for the Bears to move off of. Quite the opposite - Fields was the Bears offense for much of the season & showed exactly why he’s the QB to build around.
I'd make the argument too, that those are very mediocre weapons at that. Kmet would be a #2 TE on half the teams in there league, and Mooney (Claypool too) might be a #3 WR. It was really weird all year hearing people defend Aaron Rodgers or Daniel Jones for their bad WRs, but not extend that same pass to Fields.
Yeah, I mean, Kmet is young and has great hands, but I wouldn’t call him elite. Mooney is actually better than people give him credit for, but he’s not a WR1.
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. You could also argue Fields has shown NFL ability, while a rookie has not.
This is an important point.

Also, in defense of Fields, the game clearly slowed down to the point that he was making quality defenses look silly - literally outrunning entire defenses to the house.

QBs don’t just do that without NFL-level talent.

Reading through this it’s kind of insane how good Fields was from week 7 on.

Also Mahomes scored like 25.2 PPG, while Fields scored 25.4 over that span, so for FF, wow.

And people keep saying he’s a bad passer, but his passer rating was 85+, with spikes of 119, 99, & 120, & 106, His season Ave was 85. I know PR isn’t the end all/be all, but still has value. Worth noting: for much of the year he had 2 weapons in Kmet & Mooney, and for the 1st 2 games he was there, Claypool was useless as he didn’t know the playbook. Also worth noting: Fields was the most sacked QB in the NFL. Hard to be a good passer while looking out of your earhole.

I just don’t see Fields struggles as an indictment of Fields, or a problem for the Bears to move off of. Quite the opposite - Fields was the Bears offense for much of the season & showed exactly why he’s the QB to build around.
I'd make the argument too, that those are very mediocre weapons at that. Kmet would be a #2 TE on half the teams in there league, and Mooney (Claypool too) might be a #3 WR. It was really weird all year hearing people defend Aaron Rodgers or Daniel Jones for their bad WRs, but not extend that same pass to Fields.

There’s definitely a lack of talent there but do we really know how good Kmet can be?
 
If people are putting Bryce on level with these generational QBs, then I think all bets are off, and I think these are valid discussions to have.

At that size, I have a tough time with that, but doesn't mean he cannot be
I’m rebuilding in SF with picks 1-4. Bryce & CJ are both likely to be on my magical foozeball team. I’d give up either of them for Fields in a heartbeat.

I’m a Niner fan. I’d give the Bears Purdy and Lance for Fields.

But that’s only because I watched Fields play last year. :shrug:

ETA: yes, if Bryce turns out to be mini-Mahomes, I’ll eat some crow. I so very much want that to be true. But it’s a long shot .

Would you settle for Drew Brees or Russell Wilson with a better personality?
I would very much hope he’s not Russell Wilson. Brees would be fine.
but do we really know how good Kmet can be?
I’m a fan - I think he’s got some upside he’s not getting credit for here.
 
:rolleyes: before this season, most would have been thrilled to draft another Wilson - without the quirks.
↖️ Niner fan. Old rivalries die hard. I only barely gave Russ his due a couple years ago. What can I say…you right. I’m just a hater, drinkin that haterade on a Sunday night. ;)
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. You could also argue Fields has shown NFL ability, while a rookie has not.
This is an important point.

Also, in defense of Fields, the game clearly slowed down to the point that he was making quality defenses look silly - literally outrunning entire defenses to the house.

QBs don’t just do that without NFL-level talent.

Reading through this it’s kind of insane how good Fields was from week 7 on.

Also Mahomes scored like 25.2 PPG, while Fields scored 25.4 over that span, so for FF, wow.

And people keep saying he’s a bad passer, but his passer rating was 85+, with spikes of 119, 99, & 120, & 106, His season Ave was 85. I know PR isn’t the end all/be all, but still has value. Worth noting: for much of the year he had 2 weapons in Kmet & Mooney, and for the 1st 2 games he was there, Claypool was useless as he didn’t know the playbook. Also worth noting: Fields was the most sacked QB in the NFL. Hard to be a good passer while looking out of your earhole.

I just don’t see Fields struggles as an indictment of Fields, or a problem for the Bears to move off of. Quite the opposite - Fields was the Bears offense for much of the season & showed exactly why he’s the QB to build around.
I'd make the argument too, that those are very mediocre weapons at that. Kmet would be a #2 TE on half the teams in there league, and Mooney (Claypool too) might be a #3 WR. It was really weird all year hearing people defend Aaron Rodgers or Daniel Jones for their bad WRs, but not extend that same pass to Fields.
I don’t think the Bears have any intention of trading Fields. He took a big step last season and should only improve once he has a decent o line and a WR1. Why draft an unknown?
 
Adam Hoge @AdamHoge
“His appetite for greatness is wild.”

@DrRisher joined Hoge & Jahns today to give us insight on how Justin Fields trains, both in-season and during the offseason. Fascinating conversation.

Full episode here: youtube.com/watch?v=EXWCc1…
His comps coming into the league seem to be Allen and Hurts, I think he has just as much to work with. If he is putting this kind of work in, I would think injuries are the only roadblock stopping him from being a top NFL QB long term.
 
Adam Hoge @AdamHoge
“His appetite for greatness is wild.”

@DrRisher joined Hoge & Jahns today to give us insight on how Justin Fields trains, both in-season and during the offseason. Fascinating conversation.

Full episode here: youtube.com/watch?v=EXWCc1…
His comps coming into the league seem to be Allen and Hurts, I think he has just as much to work with. If he is putting this kind of work in, I would think injuries are the only roadblock stopping him from being a top NFL QB long term.
Other than no pass protection, no talent at skill positions, no coaching, and no defense. But other than that, he could be great. We have no idea how well the Bears will address their glaring needs and issues on both sides of the ball. Fields won't be a Top QB without a lot of help.
 
Adam Hoge @AdamHoge
“His appetite for greatness is wild.”

@DrRisher joined Hoge & Jahns today to give us insight on how Justin Fields trains, both in-season and during the offseason. Fascinating conversation.

Full episode here: youtube.com/watch?v=EXWCc1…
His comps coming into the league seem to be Allen and Hurts, I think he has just as much to work with. If he is putting this kind of work in, I would think injuries are the only roadblock stopping him from being a top NFL QB long term.
Other than no pass protection, no talent at skill positions, no coaching, and no defense. But other than that, he could be great. We have no idea how well the Bears will address their glaring needs and issues on both sides of the ball. Fields won't be a Top QB without a lot of help.
That is why I stated long term, whether he is in Chicago or elsewhere.
 

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