QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (3 Viewers)

[Grahamburn]

Cecil Lammey has been reporting for months that Arizona isn't thrilled with Rosen's behavior.  The most recent 'odd thing' is Rosen deleted all of his Arizona pics but said his account got hacked.

If they can deal Rosen, and it seems they could get a bundle for him, then they could take Kyler #1 and get at least a top-ten pick this year plus more.

I have said all along that Murray would fit perfectly with the Giants from a supporting cast skill player view but the Giants have staunchly selected big-tall QBs.  Foles will play a role because the 'logical' destination is Jacksonville but rarely does logic and NFL FA play out IMHO.  

If Kliff Klingsburry the new HC in Zona is going to install his air raid offense then Rosen does not fit at all.  Murray is the obvious choice.  Klingsburry got hired on the strength of his offense prowess so it makes sense that he and the Cardinals would want to play to his coaching strength.

Why would any GM in his right mind pay a bundle for Rosen before the draft?  Especially when you say they aren't thrilled with Rosen's behavior.  Those were the issues with him coming out.  If they're already materializing his value is tanking.  If Arizona wants Murray you wait them out, make them draft him, and then trade for Rosen for pennies on the dollar. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Why would any GM in his right mind pay a bundle for Rosen before the draft?  Especially when you say they aren't thrilled with Rosen's behavior.  Those were the issues with him coming out.  If they're already materializing his value is tanking.  If Arizona wants Murray you wait them out, make them draft him, and then trade for Rosen for pennies on the dollar. 

Fair question.  He's got value because he has rare skills.

Fair question back to you.  Have you ever heard of a 1st round quarterback being traded after only one year and the team drafting another 1st round QB?

No one is going to get Rosen for pennies on the dollar.  

If anything they wait it out until someone becomes desperate or suffers an injury to a starter.  A team paid a premium for a broken down Sam Bradford.  I haven't seen a 1st round QB get traded after one year and replaced so they won't move him unless they got a bundle in return.

The Cards were 3-13 and scored the lowest point total in the league last year and hired a guy who built his coaching rep on the air raid offense.  He's said he'd take Murray #1 if he could and he can.  Their are only so many QBs in this draft class and one Foles.  More than a few teams will be left standing without a chair when the music stops.  If anyone thinks they'll just kick back and wait till Rosen's price drops they may as well throw in the towel and hope they pick 1st next year because that isn't happening.

 

[Grahamburn]

Fair question.  He's got value because he has rare skills.

Fair question back to you.  Have you ever heard of a 1st round quarterback being traded after only one year and the team drafting another 1st round QB?

No one is going to get Rosen for pennies on the dollar.  

If anything they wait it out until someone becomes desperate or suffers an injury to a starter.  A team paid a premium for a broken down Sam Bradford.  I haven't seen a 1st round QB get traded after one year and replaced so they won't move him unless they got a bundle in return.

The Cards were 3-13 and scored the lowest point total in the league last year and hired a guy who built his coaching rep on the air raid offense.  He's said he'd take Murray #1 if he could and he can.  Their are only so many QBs in this draft class and one Foles.  More than a few teams will be left standing without a chair when the music stops.  If anyone thinks they'll just kick back and wait till Rosen's price drops they may as well throw in the towel and hope they pick 1st next year because that isn't happening.

It's all about leverage.  If the Cardinals draft Murray they don't have any with Rosen or GMs of other teams.  They have to trade him.  No GM is paying a top 10 pick+ as you suggested.  Especially for a QB whose warts have shown up in his rookie year.  Maybe a mid-2nd to the QB needy team left without a chair after the first round is complete?  If Lock and Jones are still available in the 2nd the Cardinals may even have to settle for a 3rd. 

 

[Bronco Billy]

It's all about leverage.  If the Cardinals draft Murray they don't have any with Rosen or GMs of other teams.  They have to trade him.  No GM is paying a top 10 pick+ as you suggested.  Especially for a QB whose warts have shown up in his rookie year.  Maybe a mid-2nd to the QB needy team left without a chair after the first round is complete?  If Lock and Jones are still available in the 2nd the Cardinals may even have to settle for a 3rd. 

My thoughts exactly.  I don’t know if I remember a 1st round QB being traded in his sophomore season, but if that happens I think it is unlikely that AZ recoups a 1st rounder for him.

That said, if they think Murray is their guy and Rosen isn’t then AZ needs to do what they have to to make it happen.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

It's all about leverage.  If the Cardinals draft Murray they don't have any with Rosen or GMs of other teams.  They have to trade him.  No GM is paying a top 10 pick+ as you suggested.  Especially for a QB whose warts have shown up in his rookie year.  Maybe a mid-2nd to the QB needy team left without a chair after the first round is complete?  If Lock and Jones are still available in the 2nd the Cardinals may even have to settle for a 3rd. 

I don't agree that they haven't any leverage or that they have to trade him.

Their simply are not enough starting QBs to go around which provides enough leverage and every QB has warts but they get overlooked if they produce on the field.

They don't have to trade him if they take Murray because both are under rookie contracts for years.  

They hold leverage in terms of need and in terms of being able to easily fit two QBs under rookie deals.  Teams have a need and they have the supply and have low carrying costs.

The fact that the top two QBs of this draft have only two years combined as starters and are rated above Lock and Jones and both would be rated below Rosen.

Teams don't trade QBs taken in the 1st round after one year for two reasons.  They don't cost anything against the cap and they have skills so trading them away too soon could come back to bite them.

The fact Klingsburry runs an offense that perfectly fits Murray and doesn't fit Rosen is the reason why making a deal would make any sense.  They aren't desperate to dump Rosen because he has anti-Trump tweets or personality quirks they just hired an air raid HC and hold the top pick in the draft and can get the QB who is a perfect fit and they can trade Rosen for a bundle because teams need starting QBs and can't get them unless they suck and get the first pick, spend big bucks in FA, or make big trades.

 

[Grahamburn]

You think Rosen won't make the biggest stink in the history of the NFL if the Cardinals draft another QB the year after they took him in the 1st?  Lol.  Ok. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

You think Rosen won't make the biggest stink in the history of the NFL if the Cardinals draft another QB the year after they took him in the 1st?  Lol.  Ok. 

They probably already informed him that they are taking a serious look at Murray.  Yeah, so?

 

[Grahamburn]

They probably already informed him that they are taking a serious look at Murray.  Yeah, so?

Fair enough.  I've never been in an NFL locker room, but I can't imagine that situation would be any good for the morale of the team.  Talk about the biggest distraction ever.  Not to mention the resources involved with having 2 first round QB's in back to back years. 

Anyway, first you had them trading Rosen for a bundle, which is easily torpedoed with any logic.  Now he's staying with Murray?  Very doubtful. 

If the Cardinals want Murray they should draft him and then trade Rosen to the highest bidder immediately after.  They might get a second from a team that liked him coming out.   

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Fair enough.  I've never been in an NFL locker room, but I can't imagine that situation would be any good for the morale of the team.  Talk about the biggest distraction ever.  Not to mention the resources involved with having 2 first round QB's in back to back years. 

Anyway, first you had them trading Rosen for a bundle, which is easily torpedoed with any logic.  Now he's staying with Murray?  Very doubtful. 

If the Cardinals want Murray they should draft him and then trade Rosen to the highest bidder immediately after.  They might get a second from a team that liked him coming out.   

I think if they take Murray with the 1st pick that they will already have a deal in place for Rosen and they will get a bundle.

They would not have two QBs but to go with your take even if they had two young QBs they would be under rookie deals so it wouldn't cost them anything meanwhile other teams would be calling and if the timing were right with a starter getting injured they would stand to reap a windfall.

No 1st round QB has been traded after one year to my recollection but this is a unique situation with a new HC running a specific offense that fits an incoming QB and does not fit the 2nd year QB who holds value.  We'll disagree on the value since this is the sticking point with you but the scenario is unique and that is why I find it fascinating.

 

[Grahamburn]

I also find it fascinating and hope Arizona drafts him for any number of exciting reasons.  The meltdown from Rosen alone would be epic. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If they can deal Rosen, and it seems they could get a bundle for him, then they could take Kyler #1 and get at least a top-ten pick this year plus more.

If thy deal Rosen now I think at best they get .50 on the dollar. Who is going to give up the value of the no. 10 overall pick now - especially when Arizona's hand is forced should they take or want to take Murray. IMO Murray and Haskins are both worth more than Rosen now.

 

[Gandalf]

If thy deal Rosen now I think at best they get .50 on the dollar. Who is going to give up the value of the no. 10 overall pick now - especially when Arizona's hand is forced should they take or want to take Murray. IMO Murray and Haskins are both worth more than Rosen now.

Yesterday, Boston sports radio was pondering he pats trading pick 32 for Rosen 

 

[-OZ-]

 Miami would have to give up their 1st and 2nd this year plus their 2020 1st and 3rd according to the NFL trade value chart.

So, really expensive. 

I'd think it far more likely the dolphins trade for Rosen.

Cecil Lammey has been reporting for months that Arizona isn't thrilled with Rosen's behavior.  The most recent 'odd thing' is Rosen deleted all of his Arizona pics but said his account got hacked.

If they can deal Rosen, and it seems they could get a bundle for him, then they could take Kyler #1 and get at least a top-ten pick this year plus more.

I have said all along that Murray would fit perfectly with the Giants from a supporting cast skill player view but the Giants have staunchly selected big-tall QBs.  Foles will play a role because the 'logical' destination is Jacksonville but rarely does logic and NFL FA play out IMHO.  

If Kliff Klingsburry the new HC in Zona is going to install his air raid offense then Rosen does not fit at all.  Murray is the obvious choice.  Klingsburry got hired on the strength of his offense prowess so it makes sense that he and the Cardinals would want to play to his coaching strength.

Yep

Fair question back to you.  Have you ever heard of a 1st round quarterback being traded after only one year and the team drafting another 1st round QB?

DeShone Kizer? But he was a mid 2nd.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If anything they wait it out until someone becomes desperate or suffers an injury to a starter. 

I don't see anyway its feasible or healthy for the franchise to go through OTAs and camp with both Murray and Rosen on the roster. I would never say anything is impossible in this context but that seems extremely unlikely and would set back the development of both QBs.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If thy deal Rosen now I think at best they get .50 on the dollar. Who is going to give up the value of the no. 10 overall pick now - especially when Arizona's hand is forced should they take or want to take Murray. IMO Murray and Haskins are both worth more than Rosen now.

Totally agree.

"Let's see... You took the guy 10th overall last year and after having him in-house for a season you're ready to replace him? Yeah, I think I've got a bag of corn nuts around here somewhere I'll give you for him."

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If thy deal Rosen now I think at best they get .50 on the dollar. Who is going to give up the value of the no. 10 overall pick now - especially when Arizona's hand is forced should they take or want to take Murray. IMO Murray and Haskins are both worth more than Rosen now.

Lol, their hand isn't forced.

They don't have to deal Rosen, they don't have to draft Murray, they don't have to take Bosa.  Their hand isn't forced.

They have a unique opportunity based on their new HC hire and the offense he runs coupled with the incoming QB who ran that offense but the Cards don't even have to run the air raid.

Lots of unwarranted drama being projected on the Cardinal war room that completely misses the point but this is the Shark Pool where people trade daily on drama and dumb one liners.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

So, really expensive. 

I'd think it far more likely the dolphins trade for Rosen.

Yep

DeShone Kizer? But he was a mid 2nd.

The chart is only a guideline but if you figure the 1st round pick this year as a sunk cost meaning if Murray had dropped to 13 and they used it on him that they would not have it so only figure in the extra parts, a future first round pick (unknown value) a 2nd round pick this year (mid 2nd round) and a future 3rd round pick (?).  

I think Murray will turn out to be an elite QB if he holds up and I think he will hold up so that is 'pretty cheap' IMHO for a true franchise QB.

 

[Grahamburn]

@Bracie Smathers

From what I can tell you're the one out on a limb here. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Fair enough.  I've never been in an NFL locker room, but I can't imagine that situation would be any good for the morale of the team. 

It would be a disaster especially for a new HC with limited experience in general and even less NFL experience. The QB room would be two guys working against each other and you couldn't give either one the proper reps to develop them.

The thought the Cards would keep Rosen if they draft (or plan to draft Murray) is just not realistic. I kind of hope it happens though as it would be great to soak in.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Lol, their hand isn't forced.

They don't have to deal Rosen, they don't have to draft Murray, they don't have to take Bosa.  Their hand isn't forced.

They have a unique opportunity based on their new HC hire and the offense he runs coupled with the incoming QB who ran that offense but the Cards don't even have to run the air raid.

Lots of unwarranted drama being projected on the Cardinal war room that completely misses the point but this is the Shark Pool where people trade daily on drama and dumb one liners.

He didn't say it was.

He said it WOULD BE - if Murray is in the picture.. Which is obviously true.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lol, their hand isn't forced.

They don't have to deal Rosen, they don't have to draft Murray, they don't have to take Bosa.  Their hand isn't forced.

They have a unique opportunity based on their new HC hire and the offense he runs coupled with the incoming QB who ran that offense but the Cards don't even have to run the air raid.

Lots of unwarranted drama being projected on the Cardinal war room that completely misses the point but this is the Shark Pool where people trade daily on drama and dumb one liners.

I'll just agree to disagree with most of what you said.

 

[-OZ-]

If thy deal Rosen now I think at best they get .50 on the dollar. Who is going to give up the value of the no. 10 overall pick now - especially when Arizona's hand is forced should they take or want to take Murray. IMO Murray and Haskins are both worth more than Rosen now.

Yesterday, Boston sports radio was pondering he pats trading pick 32 for Rosen 

Seems like he's be worth a mid to late first. So of course the pats would be interested. Kind of a perfect scenario, if BB thinks Rosen can play. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Seems like he's be worth a mid to late first. So of course the pats would be interested. Kind of a perfect scenario, if BB thinks Rosen can play. 

Yeah I think that would be a good deal for the Cards and perhaps even the best deal they could hope for - I have doubts it will happen (and I'm sure Brady would pout if it did) but it does make some sense for the Pats and of course the Cards.

 

[-OZ-]

Yeah I think that would be a good deal for the Cards and perhaps even the best deal they could hope for - I have doubts it will happen (and I'm sure Brady would pout if it did) but it does make some sense for the Pats and of course the Cards.

I'll assume any deal would be made after talking to the

 

[Bronco Billy]

Lol, their hand isn't forced.

They don't have to deal Rosen, they don't have to draft Murray, they don't have to take Bosa.  Their hand isn't forced.

They have a unique opportunity based on their new HC hire and the offense he runs coupled with the incoming QB who ran that offense but the Cards don't even have to run the air raid.

Lots of unwarranted drama being projected on the Cardinal war room that completely misses the point but this is the Shark Pool where people trade daily on drama and dumb one liners.

You just told the entire league you don’t consider him to be a franchise QB by drafting another QB with 1.01 this year.  Then you expect someone to pay franchise QB prices for him after that?

That just doesn’t make any sense.  On top of that, I think you’re underestimating the perceived value of 1st round picks in the NFL.

 

[monk]

Crazy thing is none of the teams with top 5 picks really need a QB. or at least might not - you could argue Arizona, Oakland or Tampa should take him but those QBs at least have a chance to be franchise guys. 

This is a perfect example of what I have been saying about drafting QBs ... You have 3 teams who have just used a high picks and who are already looking for replacements. Ironionically the best of the 3 was taken in the 2nd round. Winston was the 1st player taken in the draft !!! I said at the time he was taken that Tampa would be looking for a QB in a few years.

 

[Faust]

Which NFL team will draft Kyler Murray? Ranking the contenders

 

[Bronco Billy]

This is a perfect example of what I have been saying about drafting QBs ... You have 3 teams who have just used a high picks and who are already looking for replacements. Ironionically the best of the 3 was taken in the 2nd round. Winston was the 1st player taken in the draft !!! I said at the time he was taken that Tampa would be looking for a QB in a few years.

The hubbub over Winston is way overblown, IMO.  Watch what happens with him under Arians.  That’s almost an exact hand-in-glove fit.  If Winston has his alcohol issue under control, people will be misremembering that there ever was any problem. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This is a perfect example of what I have been saying about drafting QBs ... You have 3 teams who have just used a high picks and who are already looking for replacements. Ironionically the best of the 3 was taken in the 2nd round. Winston was the 1st player taken in the draft !!! I said at the time he was taken that Tampa would be looking for a QB in a few years.

Tampa Bay is looking for a QB? I was under the impression that Arians is a big fan of Winston.

 

[-OZ-]

The hubbub over Winston is way overblown, IMO.  Watch what happens with him under Arians.  That’s almost an exact hand-in-glove fit.  If Winston has his alcohol issue under control, people will be misremembering that there ever was any problem. 

I'll largely agree with this. I'm no fan but the negativity around him is overdone. I only mentioned the bucs because there has been some scuttle that they should replace Winston. 

 

[TripleThreat]

Re: Miami trading up to 1 and Arizona not wanting to drop back to 13... 

Remember that Philly traded players to get from 13 to 8 with the Dolphins and flipped the 8  with Cleveland to 2 to get Wentz.  

of course trading up to 1 adds a little more spice.  Quite frankly while Miami has pieces they could move, I don't see it happening with Flores and Grier (not that I wouldn't mind drafting Murray) 

 

[squistion]

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago

Kyler Murray said he is scheduled to meet at the combine this week with the Arizona Cardinals, who hold the No. 1 pick.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

According to Ralph Vacchiano of SNY, "many NFL sources" believe the Cardinals are targeting Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray with the top pick in April's draft.

The rumor mill is firing on all cylinders this time of year, so we're taking this report with a grain of salt. With that said, this is obviously not the first time Murray has been linked to the Cardinals. Kliff Kingsbury famously asserted that he would draft Murray first overall if he had the chance, though that was before the Cardinals hired him as head coach. One source told Vacchiano that Murray "fits exactly what Kingsbury wants to do" while another said "it's a perfect match." Despite an underwhelming rookie year, it's still difficult to believe Arizona would throw in the towel so soon on 2018 first-rounder Josh Rosen. However, if the Cardinals do decide to shop Rosen, the quarterback-needy Giants would likely be one of his top suitors.

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SOURCE: SNY.com

Mar 1, 2019, 12:56 PM

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm still calling BS.

 

[SayWhat?]

In this instance, with a new coach whom has no ties to Rosen, I think Kingsbury goes with Kyler as his guy.  

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm still calling BS.

Cards trying their best to get extra picks on a trade down.

 

[Faust]

Bleacher Report's Matt Miller believes Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray will be the first quarterback selected in the 2019 NFL Draft.

Murray (5'10/207) checked boxes at the weigh-ins for most teams, even if that weight is inflated by some extra water and carbs. But nonetheless, the weigh-in was meaningful because his perception of being a risky player is lowered, even if there is no evidence that short quarterbacks can't succeed. Murray has delayed his throwing and athletic testing until his Pro Day, but that decision doesn't appear to hurt his draft stock. After committing to the NFL, Murray looks headed towards a top-10 selection with a chance of sliding into the top-3.

SOURCE: Dan Patrick Show on Twitter

Mar 1, 2019, 5:31 PM

 

[rockaction]

If this guy goes top ten or five or even one then he's made the right decision to not play baseball. Too much slotted money for a QB picked that early.  

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm on this train. Hoping to grab him round 2. 

 

[Faust]

Here's why Kyler Murray could indeed go first in the NFL draft

 

[-OZ-]

In this instance, with a new coach whom has no ties to Rosen, I think Kingsbury goes with Kyler as his guy.  

That seems to be the thing. 

How many times has this situation occurred? While it's not super uncommon for a new coach to get hired in a highly drafted QB's second year (Browns for example), generally that highly drafted QB has clearly shown the potential to be a franchise QB or the coach was signed partly to get the most out of that specific QB. 

That's just not the case here. 

Rosen wasn't horrible, all things considered. But he sure didn't pop like Mayfield, Allen, or Darnold did at times. But, if I were a betting man, I'd bet there's at least a few coaches who think they can develop him into a franchise guy. If they can do so without breaking the bank they'll jump at it. It might even make more sense for Jacksonville go after him than foles.  Seems he would have been better than Flacco too.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Cards will minimum get a 2nd for Rosen if they go that route IMO.  A lot of QB desperate teams (not to mention better teams with older QBs will be interested to get a possible future franchise QB at a pick discount under control for another 4 years) and Rosen would IMO be the 1st QB taken this draft.

Or Cards  move down and get extra picks for Murray. Good problem for Cards. They need the picks as they've got holes everywhere.

 

[Faust]

Kyler Murray believed almost universally to be top pick

 

[The Man With No Name]

Fair question.  He's got value because he has rare skills.

Fair question back to you.  Have you ever heard of a 1st round quarterback being traded after only one year and the team drafting another 1st round QB?

No one is going to get Rosen for pennies on the dollar.  

If anything they wait it out until someone becomes desperate or suffers an injury to a starter.  A team paid a premium for a broken down Sam Bradford.  I haven't seen a 1st round QB get traded after one year and replaced so they won't move him unless they got a bundle in return

1989 - Cowboys draft Aikman #1 overall.
Then they use a supplemental pick to acquire Steve Walsh.  It cost them the number 1 overall pick in 1990. 
They traded Walsh after week 3 in 1990.

Not the same situation but they did trade a 1st round quarterback after 1 season, 3 weeks.

 

[kittenmittens]

Kyler Murray believed almost universally to be top pick

Arizona can get a kings ransom now... Or just make the pick and shop both Rosen and Murray if they want to see what either might bring back... 

The QBs in the next two drafts might give potential trade partners pause though.  If your team sucks and needs QB, next year is a very bad year to do OK. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

1989 - Cowboys draft Aikman #1 overall.
Then they use a supplemental pick to acquire Steve Walsh.  It cost them the number 1 overall pick in 1990. 
They traded Walsh after week 3 in 1990.

Not the same situation but they did trade a 1st round quarterback after 1 season, 3 weeks.

They drafted two QBs in the same year and used two 1st round picks, the first and only time that has happened so you are right it wasn't the same situation.

You mentioned it was a lil-over one year but even with a HOF QB firmly in place with Walsh being the spare wheel where it would 'appear' that the Boys would hold no leverage they were able to deal Walsh for, a 1st and a 3rd round picks along with a future 2nd that would have been upgraded to another 1st round pick had Walsh performed well so they reaped a bounty for him.

COWBOYS TRADE WALSH TO SAINTS

published: September 25, 1990

Dallas quarterback Steve Walsh, who has been Troy Aikman's backup since both were drafted last year, was traded to New Orleans today for three draft picks.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said his team will receive the Saints' No. 1 and No. 3 choices in 1991 and a No. 2 pick in 1992. Jones said the No. 2 pick could be upgraded to a No. 1 if Walsh performs well for the Saints.

 

[babydemon90]

Seems like a sunk cost.  If you don't like Rosen - then draft someone else.  No clue if he's got it or not, and a new coach hasn't seen him.   But the #10 pick is gone. He was never the #1 overall potential that Bradford had - and teams probably see Bradford as a warning now.

 

[Faust]

According to Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline, Cardinals HC Kliff Kingsbury has reportedly told people that it's a "done deal" that the team will select Oklahoma's Kyler Murray with the first overall pick.

Murray (5'10, 207) is a player that Kingsbury has been a fan of for quite some time, as he coached against the quarterback last season as the head coach at Texas Tech. But with there being more than a month to go until the draft, a lot can change with Murray still having to go through his pro day. Also worth considering is whether or not this is a smokescreen of sorts, and if Kingsbury will even have the final say as the Cardinals decide who to select with the first overall pick.

SOURCE: Draft Analyst

Mar 3, 2019, 12:30 PM

 

[ffmail4me]

Calling it now, Redskins give a 3rd this year and 2nd next year and have a new starting QB. They then trade their 2nd this year for AB. Winning in the offseason and losing during the season, that' what we do! 

 

[RushHour]

I don't agree that they haven't any leverage or that they have to trade him.

Their simply are not enough starting QBs to go around which provides enough leverage and every QB has warts but they get overlooked if they produce on the field.

They don't have to trade him if they take Murray because both are under rookie contracts for years.  

They hold leverage in terms of need and in terms of being able to easily fit two QBs under rookie deals.  Teams have a need and they have the supply and have low carrying costs.

The fact that the top two QBs of this draft have only two years combined as starters and are rated above Lock and Jones and both would be rated below Rosen.

Teams don't trade QBs taken in the 1st round after one year for two reasons.  They don't cost anything against the cap and they have skills so trading them away too soon could come back to bite them.

The fact Klingsburry runs an offense that perfectly fits Murray and doesn't fit Rosen is the reason why making a deal would make any sense.  They aren't desperate to dump Rosen because he has anti-Trump tweets or personality quirks they just hired an air raid HC and hold the top pick in the draft and can get the QB who is a perfect fit and they can trade Rosen for a bundle because teams need starting QBs and can't get them unless they suck and get the first pick, spend big bucks in FA, or make big trades.

This has been a popular sentiment in years past but is it really still true? The backup QB landscape from team to team is horrendous, but there have never been more above average-elite QBs in the league at one time. You have Foles out there in FA with realistically only one suitor (the Jags) - other teams are either set at QB for the near future, fine with the bridge option they have, or have a rookie who needs a few more years so they can see what they really have. Tyrod, Tannehill, Teddy are popular guys who people say could go somewhere to start, but it's hard to see anywhere where that would actually be possible. Brought in to compete, yes, but they won't be handed starter jobs. 

There may be a market for Rosen since he's only a second year guy and he had some hype - there will be teams that like his potential.  But really there are only a handful of teams, if that, where he would be brought into start right away.