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QB McNabb Returns To Practice (1 Viewer)
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
VERY happy to hear this... 
joffer
Footballguy
i wouldn't say much better. you know of other QBs that outscored Manning by 2+ppg over the first 10 weeks last year?
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ericthemidget
Footballguy
A step in the right direction, but too early to get excited.
Getting him on the field dispels a good bit of uncertainty.
Drafting Kolb may have been somewhat motivational.
Getting him on the field dispels a good bit of uncertainty.
Drafting Kolb may have been somewhat motivational.
zadok
Footballguy
Please compare apples to apples and see that Carson Palmer was playing regular season games 8 months after his knee injury.TIA
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Good thing he's not a runningback.
John Mamula
Moderator
while i am big on drafting with PPG in mind, how many games does he have to play to make his draft spot worth his PPG?1? 5? 10?he still goes too early for my liking given his draft spot (5.11 in the first wcoff satellite i saw and is surely to go up from there) at what other alternatives there are.The Shark move is to draft him and back him up with a solid guy, thus taking advantage of his ppg while the getting is good. He was scoring at the same pace as Peyton Manning before his injury.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
7.08 in a dynasty start up draft 2 weeks ago = :crossesfingers:while i am big on drafting with PPG in mind, how many games does he have to play to make his draft spot worth his PPG?1? 5? 10?he still goes too early for my liking given his draft spot (5.11 in the first wcoff satellite i saw and is surely to go up from there) at what other alternatives there are.The Shark move is to draft him and back him up with a solid guy, thus taking advantage of his ppg while the getting is good. He was scoring at the same pace as Peyton Manning before his injury.
But, I agree that Dnabb will need to be backed up sooner than other QB2s - just in case. Especially if he sits out the first few games (just my worst case scenario @ this point) Though, I'm sure more news like this will move him up ADP wise, where the value proposition is more challenging.I'm hopeful that he'll become a little more cautious on the field as he moves into the last few years of his career - considering the injuries he's had the past couple of years. Throwing the ball away when nothing's there, vs. running into LBs for 3 yds. I think he's got something to prove post T.O. (still) and with Kolb in R2 of the draft. I just pray that R Brown, Curtis, and Baskett are up to the task.
BigJim®
Footballguy
There's no apple to compare McNabb to. Maybe he heals as quickly as Palmer. That's anyone's guess.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Two things: 1.) The last thing you want is for him to be more "cautious on the field." If he is cautious and thinking about injury, he isn't thinking about the play he is involved in 100% and that lack of focus could lead to another injury. You want him playing with every bit of aggression he has ever shown.2.) This isn't directed solely at you, but your use of "Dnabb" put me over the top finally. Can we all please stop with the "first initial/portion of last name" nicknaming? It is so stupid and so out of hand that it drives me nuts. McNabb is only one more letter, and being there is no other McNabb worth speaking of in the NFL or fantasy circles, there's no need to throw in the "D." I understand from time to time there may be a player where that is his actual nickname, but to just attach that to people is flat out annoying. :endsrant:7.08 in a dynasty start up draft 2 weeks ago = :crossesfingers:But, I agree that Dnabb will need to be backed up sooner than other QB2s - just in case. Especially if he sits out the first few games (just my worst case scenario @ this point) Though, I'm sure more news like this will move him up ADP wise, where the value proposition is more challenging.I'm hopeful that he'll become a little more cautious on the field as he moves into the last few years of his career - considering the injuries he's had the past couple of years. Throwing the ball away when nothing's there, vs. running into LBs for 3 yds. I think he's got something to prove post T.O. (still) and with Kolb in R2 of the draft. I just pray that R Brown, Curtis, and Baskett are up to the task.
zadok
Footballguy
McNabb's ACL tear was the same injury that Palmer had. Culpepper, on the other hand, tore 3 ligaments and possibly had more damage. Apples to apples would be comparing the same injuries. A torn ACL for a QB is an 8 month injury in today's NFL. McNabb's injury was nothing like Culpepper's.
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renesauz
IBL Representative
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
We are WAAAAAAAAY too quick to use the term "injury prone".
Injury prone is a WR who misses time every year with a strained groin. Injury prone is a RB who's knees swell every year and force him to miss games. Injury prone is the QB who gets a concussion every other time he takes a hard hit.
WHAT INJURY PRONE ISN'T: Any player who has missed time for DIFFERENT, and usually FLUKEY injuries.
Now, let's review McNabb's injuries:
Broken Leg: Missed like eight games. The hit was violent, and the injury seemed somewhat flukey. It was a clean break, and the only broken bone he's had in his NFL career.
Sports Hernia: Not a common problem, and never had the injury before.
ACL tear: Definately flukey,and although somewhat disconcerting the way it happened, the truth is that he's still a QB, not a RB or WR heavily relying on speed and "moves".
The truth is that none of the injuries McNabb has suffered appear to be of the repitive, troubling type. To move him far down draft lists because he's "injury prone" is, to be perfectly blunt, stupid. There is NOTHING that suggests that his risk of injury is any greater then that of any other NFL QB. The fact that he FINISHED THE ARIZONA GAME (where he broke his leg), tells me something bigger...that he'll play though (and usually well) the more minor injuries that sideline most players. The fact that he played 6 games or so with a painful sports hernia reinforces this notion.
Nobody can accurately predict injuries, but I see no logical reason to consider him injury prone. He is the #3 QB on my draft board right now, and will be #1 if he's 100% by training camp (which he very well might be). To pick up a player with this kind of ceiling in the fifth or sixth round is a steal.
Yes...you read that right...if McNabb is healthy in time for camp, he should be the #1 fantasy QB.
We are WAAAAAAAAY too quick to use the term "injury prone".
Injury prone is a WR who misses time every year with a strained groin. Injury prone is a RB who's knees swell every year and force him to miss games. Injury prone is the QB who gets a concussion every other time he takes a hard hit.
WHAT INJURY PRONE ISN'T: Any player who has missed time for DIFFERENT, and usually FLUKEY injuries.
Now, let's review McNabb's injuries:
Broken Leg: Missed like eight games. The hit was violent, and the injury seemed somewhat flukey. It was a clean break, and the only broken bone he's had in his NFL career.
Sports Hernia: Not a common problem, and never had the injury before.
ACL tear: Definately flukey,and although somewhat disconcerting the way it happened, the truth is that he's still a QB, not a RB or WR heavily relying on speed and "moves".
The truth is that none of the injuries McNabb has suffered appear to be of the repitive, troubling type. To move him far down draft lists because he's "injury prone" is, to be perfectly blunt, stupid. There is NOTHING that suggests that his risk of injury is any greater then that of any other NFL QB. The fact that he FINISHED THE ARIZONA GAME (where he broke his leg), tells me something bigger...that he'll play though (and usually well) the more minor injuries that sideline most players. The fact that he played 6 games or so with a painful sports hernia reinforces this notion.
Nobody can accurately predict injuries, but I see no logical reason to consider him injury prone. He is the #3 QB on my draft board right now, and will be #1 if he's 100% by training camp (which he very well might be). To pick up a player with this kind of ceiling in the fifth or sixth round is a steal.
Yes...you read that right...if McNabb is healthy in time for camp, he should be the #1 fantasy QB.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
Nice rant P-Ham.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
BigJim®
Footballguy
My point is there are lots of "apples" fitting your definition that do not return to form in 8 months. That should be viewed a best case scenario subject to individual healing. Even Palmer didn't seem to return to form until mid-season, and his injury had zero impact on his non-existant running abilities. I'll probably avoid McNabb this year, anyone else is free to consider him value.McNabb's ACL tear was the same injury that Palmer had. Culpepper, on the other hand, tore 3 ligaments and possibly more damage. Apples to apples would be comparing the same injuries. A torn ACL is an 8 month injury in today's NFL. McNabb's injury was nothing like Culpepper's.
zadok
Footballguy
I'm listening. What other QB's tore an ACL (and nothing more) in the past few years and took longer than 8 months to return to practice?My point is there are lots of "apples" fitting your definition that do not return to form in 8 months. That should be viewed a best case scenario subject to individual healing. Even Palmer didn't seem to return to form until mid-season, and his injury had zero impact on his non-existant running abilities. I'll probably avoid McNabb this year, anyone else is free to consider him value.
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BigJim®
Footballguy
I'm sorry, did I invite a research assignment? I think not. I was not limiting my point to QBs, and I take exception to that as a starting point since QBs have different styles and, as a result, rely on their legs differently. Palmer vs. McNabb is a good example of that since Palmer has just 78 rushing yards in his 3 year career. I'll remain a skeptic until I see McNabb actually return to form in real game action, and you're free to assume all guys return to practice in 8 months as a time-tested golden rule.I'm listening. What other QB's tore an ACL (and nothing more) in the past few years and took longer than 8 months to return to practice?My point is there are lots of "apples" fitting your definition that do not return to form in 8 months. That should be viewed a best case scenario subject to individual healing. Even Palmer didn't seem to return to form until mid-season, and his injury had zero impact on his non-existant running abilities. I'll probably avoid McNabb this year, anyone else is free to consider him value.McNabb's ACL tear was the same injury that Palmer had. Culpepper, on the other hand, tore 3 ligaments and possibly more damage. Apples to apples would be comparing the same injuries. A torn ACL is an 8 month injury in today's NFL. McNabb's injury was nothing like Culpepper's.
zadok
Footballguy
You did when you said:
Since there is zero evidence to the contrary, I will say that ACL rehab is about 8 months in today's NFL for QBs, and possibly any position. Culpepper had ACL rehab, MCL rehab, PCL rehab and other stuff. Not even the same ballpark. Regardless of how much they run, the McNabb/Palmer comparison in the only one you can make.
toxicbees
Footballguy
The problem with the McNabb / Palmer comparison is age and years in the NFL. McNabb was 30 when he tore his ACL, with 8 years of NFL wear and tear on his knees. Palmer was 26 with only two years of NFL wear and tear. Trust me, that's a big difference. Look at other over 30 guys that have torn their ACL, the recovery doesn't go as smoothly. Lets see how long it take Toomer to get back to the NFL.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Not much to work with on QB ACL tears butDaunte Culpepper in 2005 (didn't fully recover)Brian Griese in 2005 (backup in 2006)Rex Grossman in 2004 (broke ankle in 2005)Jeff Garcia in 2004 (backup in 2005)Trent Green in 1999 (backup in 2000)
zadok
Footballguy
That has some merit, but the amount of running other skill position players do, play in and play out, practice and games year round is not even close to what QBs do. Not even Vick comes close what a backup RB or WR does. Totally different animal, IMHO. So there are really only 2 QB this has happened to recently, McNabb and Palmer.toxicbees said:
zadok
Footballguy
Thank you!IIRC, both Griese and Grossman were fully ready by week 1 (or would have been) and Garica was starting for the Lions pretty early in the season - not due to health, I don't believe...And I believe Culpepper is the only one that suffered multiple ligament tears.I prefer P-Mer.
From the eagles home page (no article, just the lead in to a story that isn't there yet)
this has to be good news as well. at least as good as it can be this early.
Donovan McNabb was back on the practice field on Tuesday participating in the team's Organized Team Activities for the second straight day. On Monday, McNabb practiced for the first time since tearing the ACL in his right knee last November. Click ahead for an account of McNabb's first day back ...
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this has to be good news as well. at least as good as it can be this early.
Donovan McNabb was back on the practice field on Tuesday participating in the team's Organized Team Activities for the second straight day. On Monday, McNabb practiced for the first time since tearing the ACL in his right knee last November. Click ahead for an account of McNabb's first day back ...
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thecardiackid
Footballguy
Re: 1.) To each his own I guess, but I'd rather see hook slides vs. attempting to bowl over OLBs for one extra yard at this stage of his career. I'm not suggesting he start folding in the pocket like Carr in recent years, but he'll be better off if he can attempt to avoid (searching out) the voilent collisions. I presume his body would agree @ this point - and I don't think his being more cautious *@ the end of the already broke-down play* will adversely effect his focus otherwise.Re: 2.) Fair enough. I guess we all have monikers for players - sry you finally crackedTwo things: 1.) The last thing you want is for him to be more "cautious on the field." If he is cautious and thinking about injury, he isn't thinking about the play he is involved in 100% and that lack of focus could lead to another injury. You want him playing with every bit of aggression he has ever shown.2.) This isn't directed solely at you, but your use of "Dnabb" put me over the top finally. Can we all please stop with the "first initial/portion of last name" nicknaming? It is so stupid and so out of hand that it drives me nuts. McNabb is only one more letter, and being there is no other McNabb worth speaking of in the NFL or fantasy circles, there's no need to throw in the "D." I understand from time to time there may be a player where that is his actual nickname, but to just attach that to people is flat out annoying. :endsrant:7.08 in a dynasty start up draft 2 weeks ago = :crossesfingers:
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
What I want to know is, with Dstall gone to Nland, will Dnabb favor Lmith? I'm not big on HBas and Rbro is really second-tier talent.Two things: 1.) The last thing you want is for him to be more "cautious on the field." If he is cautious and thinking about injury, he isn't thinking about the play he is involved in 100% and that lack of focus could lead to another injury. You want him playing with every bit of aggression he has ever shown.2.) This isn't directed solely at you, but your use of "Dnabb" put me over the top finally. Can we all please stop with the "first initial/portion of last name" nicknaming? It is so stupid and so out of hand that it drives me nuts. McNabb is only one more letter, and being there is no other McNabb worth speaking of in the NFL or fantasy circles, there's no need to throw in the "D." I understand from time to time there may be a player where that is his actual nickname, but to just attach that to people is flat out annoying. :endsrant:7.08 in a dynasty start up draft 2 weeks ago = :crossesfingers:
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
The Shark move is to draft him and back him up with a solid guy, thus taking advantage of his ppg while the getting is good. He was scoring at the same pace as Peyton Manning before his injury.
I'll probably try to lock up McNabb and a solid backup (targeting Rivers). McNabb is likely to go too early for my taste though, as I don't draft a QB before the 6th in most cases. I have an odd assortment of guys in my league though, so anything is libel to happen.
I usually call him Donny Mac. DMac is common too, but I might just be hearing those more since I live in Philly.
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Mighty Mice
Footballguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2904682
Good info here. He definately had a productive week with no setbacks.
Good info here. He definately had a productive week with no setbacks.
zadok
Footballguy
From the story on the official site:
"McNabb said that he has spoken with players and a number of other people who have rehabbed their way back, and he said that his injury was similar to Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer's, but more like Miami Dolphins quarterback Trent Green's."
Green apparently tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus, but there was never any report that McNabb tore any more than 1 ligament. So we can glean from his comments that he had meniscus damage as well.
Yup, found it, from the archives:
"Dr. James Andrews performed the surgery in Birmingham, AL, reconstructing the ACL and removing a portion of the meniscus cartilage. On McNabb's outside meniscus, a tear had already started to heal and Andrews added sutures to the tear and repaired that tear."
So for the record, Culpepper's ACL, MCL and PCL injury is nothing like the ACL and slight meniscus damage McNabb suffered. So 8 months is a very reasonable recovery time. When Training Camp opens, it will have been over 8 months.
"McNabb said that he has spoken with players and a number of other people who have rehabbed their way back, and he said that his injury was similar to Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer's, but more like Miami Dolphins quarterback Trent Green's."
Green apparently tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus, but there was never any report that McNabb tore any more than 1 ligament. So we can glean from his comments that he had meniscus damage as well.
Yup, found it, from the archives:
"Dr. James Andrews performed the surgery in Birmingham, AL, reconstructing the ACL and removing a portion of the meniscus cartilage. On McNabb's outside meniscus, a tear had already started to heal and Andrews added sutures to the tear and repaired that tear."
So for the record, Culpepper's ACL, MCL and PCL injury is nothing like the ACL and slight meniscus damage McNabb suffered. So 8 months is a very reasonable recovery time. When Training Camp opens, it will have been over 8 months.
