QB planning in Dynasty.... (1 Viewer)

[Black]

This is a bit of a 'how do I manage my team', but I am new to Dynasty and wondering more about strategy as related to QBs, and not specific players (although I give names as examples).

I auctioned and got Brady in my startup Dynasty League. Most teams went with 2-3 mid-tier sleeper QBs and as a result the following are gone (most of the QB starters): Warner, Ryan, Flacco, Edwards, Delhomme, Cutler, Palmer, Quinn, Romo, Orton, Stafford, Rodgers, Schaub, Peyton, Garrard, Favre, Brees, Brady, Sanchez, McNabb, Ben, Rivers, Hasselback, Campbell.

Remaining on the wire are guys like S. Hill, Jamarcus, Pennington, Cassell, Eli, Bulger/Boller, Leftwich, Collins/V.Young, then some backups like Sage, Leinart.

In general, if you have a top guy you don't plan to bench for the next couple of years (except injury/BYE) like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, what should you do with limited cap/roster?

Should you:

1) grab a developmental player/young backup (like Ch. Henne, Lienart)

2) grab a solid QB2 for emergency/fill-in duty (Cassell, Eli)

3) with 4-5 'ok' guys on the Wire, risk it and wait and see if a Derek Anderson, Orton, Thigpen-type emerges this year from the leftovers/backups, and thus get both a backup and developmental player in one

4) really risk it and merely fill in your bye week with whoever, and look to get a rookie/developmental player in 2010?

From what I have heard, QBs end up very, very scarce as the years move on, so might be better to spend some cap and grab a solid backup AND a developmental player now.

How do you like to play it? Thanks for your help.

 

[whodeywhodey]

QBs and WRs are the most important part of a dynasty team, imo.

Their careers are so much longer than the other positions that it is mandatory to overdraft them usually.

Of those guys I would definitely target Eli Manning and possibly Russell.

 

[tdmills]

In every dynasty I try and grab a stud and a solid guy.

Brady/Eli

Brady/Cutler

Cutler/Flacco

Brees/Flacco

I do this because if you own two solid QB's....you never have to waste any more position slots on a QB for a long time....increasing your odds at hitting on a RB/WR.

Note:This is my same strategy for TE as well.

 

[Dave Stauff]

Well, what I'd like to do and what I'm able to do are two different birds. I historically have not drafted QBs early in my start up dynasty drafts and have paid the price often enough to know better. It's not a bad thing to start with a 6-12 range QB as your starter, but a great argument was made by the previous poster that if you set yourself up with an everyweek starter (Brady) and a bye/injury guy who's young and not in job loss jeopardy (Eli), you dont really have to commit any additional roster slots to the position. I find QBs to be solid trade material, so I like to have at least one developmental percolating and have added Leinart in every league I can get my hands on him (inheriting the Az offense can't be a bad thing, IMHO). It really depends on how you approach your initial draft and you've already pulled that trigger. One thing to think about is future year's drafts and the availability of players at various positions - my experience is that unless it's a start 2 QB league, RBs will come off the board first, a couple premier WRs next and the rookie QBs will come off in the 8-14 range. Hope this helps . . .

 

[fsufan]

i just put the best talent on my teams no matter the position. if I get stacked at one position I will try and trade depth for a starting position

 

[fsufan]

i am starting to believe stud QBs are the most important position to have on your dynasty team with the NFL getting so pass happy and all of the RRBC

 

[Ray_T]

This is a bit of a 'how do I manage my team', but I am new to Dynasty and wondering more about strategy as related to QBs, and not specific players (although I give names as examples). I auctioned and got Brady in my startup Dynasty League. Most teams went with 2-3 mid-tier sleeper QBs and as a result the following are gone (most of the QB starters): Warner, Ryan, Flacco, Edwards, Delhomme, Cutler, Palmer, Quinn, Romo, Orton, Stafford, Rodgers, Schaub, Peyton, Garrard, Favre, Brees, Brady, Sanchez, McNabb, Ben, Rivers, Hasselback, Campbell.Remaining on the wire are guys like S. Hill, Jamarcus, Pennington, Cassell, Eli, Bulger/Boller, Leftwich, Collins/V.Young, then some backups like Sage, Leinart.In general, if you have a top guy you don't plan to bench for the next couple of years (except injury/BYE) like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, what should you do with limited cap/roster? Should you:1) grab a developmental player/young backup (like Ch. Henne, Lienart)2) grab a solid QB2 for emergency/fill-in duty (Cassell, Eli)3) with 4-5 'ok' guys on the Wire, risk it and wait and see if a Derek Anderson, Orton, Thigpen-type emerges this year from the leftovers/backups, and thus get both a backup and developmental player in one4) really risk it and merely fill in your bye week with whoever, and look to get a rookie/developmental player in 2010?From what I have heard, QBs end up very, very scarce as the years move on, so might be better to spend some cap and grab a solid backup AND a developmental player now.How do you like to play it? Thanks for your help.

well, Leinart may be the best pickup if he is available. He looked good in the preseason. I'd say the game has slowed down for him a bit.He'd be starting if Kurt Warner wasnt still here. and Warner hasnt looked good so far, so he may be on the bubble sooner than we think. And last year was the first full year he has played since 2000 I think.either way, Warner said this was his last year, and if this part is true, Lienart will start next year.he's the one I'd grab.

 

[whodeywhodey]

either way, Warner said this was his last year, and if this part is true, Lienart will start next year.he's the one I'd grab.

No way I would grab Leinart before Eli. Even though we *think* Leinart is going to start Eli is a sure thing. Leinart might be tried again only to lose the starting job if he underperforms. This won't happen with Eli.Both have many years left, imo.

 

[MAC_32]

Not sure if this will help or not...

...I inherited a garbage dynasty team before the 2008 season, I don't remember exactly who my QB's were but it was something like Brodie Croyle, Kelly Holcomb, Cleo Lemon, and Tarvaris Jackson. Whoever they were, none of them are still on my team and all of them were dumped at roster cuts before the 08 season.

I had the #2 pick (shocker) and dealt it for a package including Quinn (future) and Bulger (stopgap), Welker (WR1...yyyyea) and LenWhale (planned to draft Johnson with pick 7 that I traded for) were the other pieces. The other owner was very hard for J Stew.

I picked Orton up off waivers preseason, when he ended up playing well I dealt Bulger + a pick for Dustin Keller + Mike Sims-Walker, the other owner was deep at TE with all of Gates, Zach + Heath Miller in tow. I later added Shaun Hill just before he replaced JTO and dealt Orton just before he got injured for DA (while DA was sucking), Pierre Thomas, and a 2nd round pick that ended up being Rey Maualuga.

Once it became evident Carson Palmer wasn't going to do anything last season I bought him and a 5th round pick (Mike Wallace) for a 2nd round pick (Kenny Britt), LenWhale, and Jordy Nelson.

Other QB's rotated on and off my roster throughout the season - I was the first to add Thigpen but I dropped him when he lost his job the first time and missed him when he got his 2nd chance and blew up in the 2nd half, Stuffed Pepper was on for a couple weeks, as was Troy Smith and Orlovsky. I missed waiver priority on Cassel, Seneca Wallace, and Rosencopter because I didn't consider them until after their starter got hurt.

I also added Byron Leftwich (UFA), Kellen Clemens (Favre gone?), and Brett Ratliff (Favre gone and Clemens sucks?) come season's end leaving me with the following QB corps heading into the offseason - Carson/Quinn/S Hill/Leftwich/DA/Clemens/Ratliff.

My gut said keep Leftwich and dump DA when roster cuts were due but being the Quinn owner I let my head get the best of me and keep DA over Leftwich. Oh well, I still have 3 starting QB's and one of their backup's.

Anyway, that's what I did last season to build my QB corps from absolutely nothing, a lot of it was luck but there was some foresight needed. Basically, buy injured potential studs (the Brady owner wouldn't deal him), buy solid backup's to questionable at best starters, buy questionable to bad QB's as throw-in's because all starting QB's at least have some value, and never be afraid to trade a mediocre to bad starter because you lack depth - if you're proactive you'll find replacements.

 

[stevegamer]

I was lucky enough to inherit a team with P Manning as the QB - but most of the rest of it was junk. I've never really been able to "fix" my QB issue, other than Anderson's great year with the Browns - and I couldn't deal him away for much, so he's still there. In reality, I hope to find a bye week filler every year, and I usually pick up Jim Sorgi at some point for insurance, but he's been hurt this year, so it's ugly.

Basically you need to jump on QB's who will hold jobs. Eli's not great, but it's his job and he's been durable - so he's the kind of guy you love as a backup.

Then you want an upside guy, if you've got room, and Leinart would be that guy.

I've done a lot of QB cycling like MAC mentioned, but with little success - luckily I only need a backup. And this is a league teeming with FBG's, so people are sharp - I might be the one of the lesser owners in there.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

PPR:

Build dynasty teams from WR to QB to TE down to your RB. I have no problem going with WR's well beyond even the starting lineup requirements. Eventually teams are going to run to you offering their RB. [And in if my Team is really down in the initial year, I'll even pass then and draft a high RB the following year -- or even deal that pick for a young RB].

You'll notice the teams that usually get abandoned are the ones that drafted RB heavy in the initial (taking Julius Jones/Kevin Jones/Alexander etc.....)

 

[jwb]

I try to have three starting qb's on my dynasty teams. It's not always do-able (especially in 14 team leagues), but three qb's makes me very comfortable about the position. Here's generally what I shoot for:

First guy is my qb1. I almost never get Brees/Brady/Manning because I just can't/won't draft them that high, but I do get a rivers/cutler/ben/etc - someone who's the face of their team, with plenty of upside, and will give you some really good games throughout the year.

Second guy is a solid backup. Most of my teams, it's Eli. Just a guy that won't kill you if your qb1 goes down, may give you a few nice games, and, most importantly, isn't getting benched anytime soon.

Third guy is a young, emergency type qb, who could have upside. Russell, T Edwards, Sanchez, etc. I'd put Leinart here too, as it'll be his team soon, and he'll get a shot.

I really try to stay away from "thin ice" guys - J Campbell, T Jackson last year, whomever the niners qb is this week, etc.

 

[Zoomanji]

I always carry 3 even if the 3rd is a handcuff. The last time (3 years ago) I only carried 2 I had lost McNabb, then I lost my other QB the 1st week of the playoffs. No waivers during playoffs. Needless to say, I lost the next game.

And this was a dynasty so I try to keep 3 active. Sometimes the 3rd is a handcuff, some times its a young guy with potential. Depends of who I have traded for, how good my team is or isn't, etc

 

[suspected]

I agree with getting a solid QB2 so you don't have to worry.

I have Brady and Campbell, you could go for Eli. Then if you think there is value go for a developmental player in addition. I swung on miss on Drew Stanton, but at the time I had the roster space. If you don't have the roster space, or if there is noone you like, don't worry, you're still in good shape.

 

[Ray_T]

either way, Warner said this was his last year, and if this part is true, Lienart will start next year.he's the one I'd grab.

No way I would grab Leinart before Eli. Even though we *think* Leinart is going to start Eli is a sure thing. Leinart might be tried again only to lose the starting job if he underperforms. This won't happen with Eli.Both have many years left, imo.

Read the post man.I didnt notice Eli was one of the players available on the wire.He's a good pickup.

 

[Ray_T]

I try to have three starting qb's on my dynasty teams. It's not always do-able (especially in 14 team leagues), but three qb's makes me very comfortable about the position. Here's generally what I shoot for:First guy is my qb1. I almost never get Brees/Brady/Manning because I just can't/won't draft them that high, but I do get a rivers/cutler/ben/etc - someone who's the face of their team, with plenty of upside, and will give you some really good games throughout the year.Second guy is a solid backup. Most of my teams, it's Eli. Just a guy that won't kill you if your qb1 goes down, may give you a few nice games, and, most importantly, isn't getting benched anytime soon.Third guy is a young, emergency type qb, who could have upside. Russell, T Edwards, Sanchez, etc. I'd put Leinart here too, as it'll be his team soon, and he'll get a shot. I really try to stay away from "thin ice" guys - J Campbell, T Jackson last year, whomever the niners qb is this week, etc.

This is exactly what you should have for a dynasty roster setup.1 stud QB, 1 solid backup, and one developmental type player who could be a star in a year or two.

 

[Zoomanji]

This is a bit of a 'how do I manage my team', but I am new to Dynasty and wondering more about strategy as related to QBs, and not specific players (although I give names as examples). I auctioned and got Brady in my startup Dynasty League. Most teams went with 2-3 mid-tier sleeper QBs and as a result the following are gone (most of the QB starters): Warner, Ryan, Flacco, Edwards, Delhomme, Cutler, Palmer, Quinn, Romo, Orton, Stafford, Rodgers, Schaub, Peyton, Garrard, Favre, Brees, Brady, Sanchez, McNabb, Ben, Rivers, Hasselback, Campbell.Remaining on the wire are guys like S. Hill, Jamarcus, Pennington, Cassell, Eli, Bulger/Boller, Leftwich, Collins/V.Young, then some backups like Sage, Leinart.In general, if you have a top guy you don't plan to bench for the next couple of years (except injury/BYE) like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, what should you do with limited cap/roster? Should you:1) grab a developmental player/young backup (like Ch. Henne, Lienart)2) grab a solid QB2 for emergency/fill-in duty (Cassell, Eli)3) with 4-5 'ok' guys on the Wire, risk it and wait and see if a Derek Anderson, Orton, Thigpen-type emerges this year from the leftovers/backups, and thus get both a backup and developmental player in one4) really risk it and merely fill in your bye week with whoever, and look to get a rookie/developmental player in 2010?From what I have heard, QBs end up very, very scarce as the years move on, so might be better to spend some cap and grab a solid backup AND a developmental player now.How do you like to play it? Thanks for your help.

In this scenario, I would add either Cassell or Eli. (limited roster/cap). Both have upside and are palatable bye-week fill-ins

 

[mcintyre1]

In my only significant money league, I have Brees as my starter. I forget when I picked him up, but it was before he was a consensus top-5 selection, so in that case picking a value QB really paid off. However, as the years have passed I've had a rotation of crappy backup QBs, which I haven't been happy with (last season was Pennington, who played solidly, but he has little trade value).

However, this rookie draft I decided I wanted to beef up my backup QBs. I had 3 2nd round picks, moved two of them for a late first and grabbed Stafford. Much to my surprise, Sanchez then fell to my remaining 2nd round pick. So now I have both Stafford and Sanchez as backups/future trade fodder, and I couldn't be happier.

My advice? Stick with your stud at first and draft top QB prospects to stash if there's no other value at your pick (which will hopefully be high).

 

[Sack-Religious]

I had a recent 10 team start-up dynasty draft, which admittedly is vastly different than your auction, but my strategy was to load up on stud WR's and a young QB who, barring injury, looks to be a lock as that team's QB for the next 8+ seasons.

I ended up getting Rivers (Rodgers, who I was targeting, was picked with the pick before mine). I was then one of the first teams to grab a "backup" QB, at which time I drafted Stafford, looking to the future in case Rivers falters. Admittedly, it's much easier to grab that 'upside' rookie QB in an initial dynasty draft since teams aren't looking for a rookie QB as early as they would be in subsequent drafts.

Then later in the draft I grabbed Jason Campbell as a BYE week fill in for this year as Stafford develops.

In your league, I'd be bidding/claiming Eli as quickly as I could, at least for the short-term. Leinart and maybe JaMarcus Russell I'd put on my taxi squad if I could in case the light ever goes on for them. Worst case, they can be your off-season cuts going into next year's draft.

Why the Warner owner didn't grab Leinart, I don't know though.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I'm ok rostering only one QB to start a year. All you guys said about longevity is true, yadda yadda, but every year there are 3 or 4 Thigpens, Senecas, Cassels, etc. that are pretty easy to pick up and fill in the gap. I started Thigpen in one Super Bowl last year after Palmer got hurt. I would only roster more QBs if I thought they had #1 upside. How many leagues is Kerry Collins unowned? A lot. The emergency option is always there.

 

[2and2is5]

I have peyton manning which is my everyday starter, then i have two guys that i believe can become solid top 10 QBs in the future (atleast top 15), Brady Quinn and Sanchez, hopefully 1 of the two becomes legit enough that i can trade peyton within the next 2 years to a team in a win now scenario with no QB who can mortgage their future on it, hoping to acquire a solid array of picks/young talent for him before he gets past his value, if one of them doesn't pan out in time i go down with the peyton ship probably

 

[jwb]

I'm ok rostering only one QB to start a year. All you guys said about longevity is true, yadda yadda, but every year there are 3 or 4 Thigpens, Senecas, Cassels, etc. that are pretty easy to pick up and fill in the gap. I started Thigpen in one Super Bowl last year after Palmer got hurt. I would only roster more QBs if I thought they had #1 upside. How many leagues is Kerry Collins unowned? A lot. The emergency option is always there.

Depends on the dynasty league. Most of my leagues do not have a starting qb on the wire.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

either way, Warner said this was his last year, and if this part is true, Lienart will start next year.

When? Didn't he sign a two year contract?

 

[FUBAR]

I also try to pair a good starter with a young prospect.

Some of mine:

Brady/Quinn

Brees/Ben

Bulger/Russel/Stafford (rebuild)

Rodgers/Flacco

Brees/Flacco/Henne (start 2)

Schaub/Garrard

 

[stevegamer]

I'm ok rostering only one QB to start a year. All you guys said about longevity is true, yadda yadda, but every year there are 3 or 4 Thigpens, Senecas, Cassels, etc. that are pretty easy to pick up and fill in the gap. I started Thigpen in one Super Bowl last year after Palmer got hurt. I would only roster more QBs if I thought they had #1 upside. How many leagues is Kerry Collins unowned? A lot. The emergency option is always there.

Depends on league depth. It does sound like the OP's league is shallow right now, but it's in startup mode, so it will very likely have more depth pulled off the wire as QB's go down.In my dynasty league, the only possible week 1 starter on the wire after the preseason was Brandstater - and that was a loooong shot, but I still took him.

 

[Tornacl]

Having a stud QB gives you a lot of flexibility for your dynasty team. Personally, I like to have a solid backup and a developmental player, but I don't play in any contract or salary cap leagues. I like guys like Eli or Big Ben as backups for two reasons: 1) they are right at the QB1/QB2 dividing line, which makes them the best of the backups. 2) Because they are very good NFL QBs (as opposed to fantasy QBs), you know they are going to have their jobs for a very long time provided they are healthy, which means you won't have to do a lot of guessing trying to find the next emerging guy to target.

From what you listed, if you can afford the cap space, I would try to add both Eli and Leinart. Leinart has a lot of upside, and you might be able to trade him for a lot if Warner goes down. If that is too expensive, then I like the idea of Henne, as he can be had much cheaper.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I'm ok rostering only one QB to start a year. All you guys said about longevity is true, yadda yadda, but every year there are 3 or 4 Thigpens, Senecas, Cassels, etc. that are pretty easy to pick up and fill in the gap. I started Thigpen in one Super Bowl last year after Palmer got hurt. I would only roster more QBs if I thought they had #1 upside. How many leagues is Kerry Collins unowned? A lot. The emergency option is always there.

Depends on the dynasty league. Most of my leagues do not have a starting qb on the wire.

I have a dynasty league with 28 * 12 = 336 players owned and Leftwich and Collins are both there. Even if emergency options like Collins are owned, I doubt their selling price is that high.

 

[Black]

Excellent inputs here...thanks for all the advice.

I took a hybrid of the strategies (in some cases, exactly what you recommended) and grabbed Eli and Leinart for 1 year each. I have alot of young depth elsewhere and can hopefully clear a couple of contract years and roster spots after week 5 BYE for K, DEF. I'll have the option to drop either or both of those guys if it looks like I can target a QB in 2010 rookie draft or Free Agent auction.

I really have to get accustomed to a more static roster of Dynasty, as I was usually very active on the Wire in previous leagues.

Again, thanks for all the help. Some really thoughtful replies here.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm ok rostering only one QB to start a year. All you guys said about longevity is true, yadda yadda, but every year there are 3 or 4 Thigpens, Senecas, Cassels, etc. that are pretty easy to pick up and fill in the gap. I started Thigpen in one Super Bowl last year after Palmer got hurt. I would only roster more QBs if I thought they had #1 upside. How many leagues is Kerry Collins unowned? A lot. The emergency option is always there.

Depends on the dynasty league. Most of my leagues do not have a starting qb on the wire.

I have a dynasty league with 28 * 12 = 336 players owned and Leftwich and Collins are both there. Even if emergency options like Collins are owned, I doubt their selling price is that high.

IDP? In most of my 12 team redraft leagues, a starting QB or two are left available. few seem to want to roster more than 2, nobody rosters more than 3. Dynasty is completley different though. Could just be the rosters are bigger though.

 

[az_prof]

The OP wrote: "

Should you:

1) grab a developmental player/young backup (like Ch. Henne, Lienart)

2) grab a solid QB2 for emergency/fill-in duty (Cassell, Eli)

3) with 4-5 'ok' guys on the Wire, risk it and wait and see if a Derek Anderson, Orton, Thigpen-type emerges this year from the leftovers/backups, and thus get both a backup and developmental player in one

4) really risk it and merely fill in your bye week with whoever, and look to get a rookie/developmental player in 2010?

From what I have heard, QBs end up very, very scarce as the years move on, so might be better to spend some cap and grab a solid"

Regard (1): IMO, it isn't worth it to have a developmental QB. Why? Because they have such high bust rates that you are wasting a roster spot.

(2): Yes, the position is important enough that you want a reliable QB2, someone that you can at least count on not to lose the week for you.

(3) I do think that there is almost as good a chance of a decent fantasy QB emerging off waivers as of wasting one of your rookie picks to pick up the NFL's latest first round QB.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

this is great discussion. I, too, try to get three NFL starters if possible. It means less worry over bye weeks. Two things I would like to add:

I try to have some upside NFL backups if roster space allows. It seems QBs emerge into Top 10 every season. Last yr, Thigpen, Hill, and Cassel all were Top 10 fantasy passers on a per game basis. For this reason, I try to have 1-3 upside NFL backups on my rosters in addition to the NFL starters. Examples are Leinart, Vick, Flynn, Brunell, etc. While I think they are merely lottery tickers (or handcuffs), but QBs emerge every season.

Of my three starters, I try to have one stud, one solid backup, and one cheap steady guy (Collins). For other QBs on my roster, I try to only roster passers with upside. There is no reason (imo) to roster a QB4 that has no upside (Bulger, Russell, Seneca Wallace, Fitzpatrick, etc). I try to target passers I think can be a fantasy starter.

 

[FUBAR]

...I do think that there is almost as good a chance of a decent fantasy QB emerging off waivers as of wasting one of your rookie picks to pick up the NFL's latest first round QB.

Of the top 5 in the game right now, Brees and Peyton required high picks if you got them as rookies. Rodgers a moderate pick, Brady and Warner would have been cheap. So you may be right. If I need a QB with my rookie picks, I'm probably trading for one.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

...I do think that there is almost as good a chance of a decent fantasy QB emerging off waivers as of wasting one of your rookie picks to pick up the NFL's latest first round QB.

Of the top 5 in the game right now, Brees and Peyton required high picks if you got them as rookies. Rodgers a moderate pick, Brady and Warner would have been cheap. So you may be right. If I need a QB with my rookie picks, I'm probably trading for one.

A year ago, Warner was very cheap and a borderline waiver pick up and Rodgers was pretty cheap. Let's think back to the Brees/Rivers situation in SD. Both were fairly inexpensive while Rivers was playing behind Brees and when Brees was recovering from injury. My only point is that at one time most of the top fantasy passers were cheap. Also, Brady and Romo were waiver fodder behind Bledsoe. Yes, they are expensive now. But, that has not always been the case.

 

[Black]

...I do think that there is almost as good a chance of a decent fantasy QB emerging off waivers as of wasting one of your rookie picks to pick up the NFL's latest first round QB.

Of the top 5 in the game right now, Brees and Peyton required high picks if you got them as rookies. Rodgers a moderate pick, Brady and Warner would have been cheap. So you may be right. If I need a QB with my rookie picks, I'm probably trading for one.

A year ago, Warner was very cheap and a borderline waiver pick up and Rodgers was pretty cheap. Let's think back to the Brees/Rivers situation in SD. Both were fairly inexpensive while Rivers was playing behind Brees and when Brees was recovering from injury. My only point is that at one time most of the top fantasy passers were cheap. Also, Brady and Romo were waiver fodder behind Bledsoe. Yes, they are expensive now. But, that has not always been the case.

With that in mind, let's expand the scope of my OP with the question....who are 'those' guys who are inexpensive, have talent, and just waiting to trade the clipboard for a starting job?I have liked:

M. Leinart: 1st round talent, plenty of time holding the clipboard, looked better this Preseason, great/aggressive offense, Warner probably around 1-2 years max. I picked him up as my #3.

Ch. Henne: rebuilding team, Pennington going to be around 1-2 years max. However, I was not sold on what little I saw from him in preseason, but maybe he needs more time.

Jamarcus: he has talent and OAK as a team have alot of talent, if they could only pull it all together.

Backup in NE: whoever it may be...they cut loose alot of QBs, they must trust who's left to hold down the fort.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

...I do think that there is almost as good a chance of a decent fantasy QB emerging off waivers as of wasting one of your rookie picks to pick up the NFL's latest first round QB.

Of the top 5 in the game right now, Brees and Peyton required high picks if you got them as rookies. Rodgers a moderate pick, Brady and Warner would have been cheap. So you may be right. If I need a QB with my rookie picks, I'm probably trading for one.

A year ago, Warner was very cheap and a borderline waiver pick up and Rodgers was pretty cheap. Let's think back to the Brees/Rivers situation in SD. Both were fairly inexpensive while Rivers was playing behind Brees and when Brees was recovering from injury. My only point is that at one time most of the top fantasy passers were cheap. Also, Brady and Romo were waiver fodder behind Bledsoe. Yes, they are expensive now. But, that has not always been the case.

With that in mind, let's expand the scope of my OP with the question....who are 'those' guys who are inexpensive, have talent, and just waiting to trade the clipboard for a starting job?I have liked:

M. Leinart: 1st round talent, plenty of time holding the clipboard, looked better this Preseason, great/aggressive offense, Warner probably around 1-2 years max. I picked him up as my #3.

Ch. Henne: rebuilding team, Pennington going to be around 1-2 years max. However, I was not sold on what little I saw from him in preseason, but maybe he needs more time.

Jamarcus: he has talent and OAK as a team have alot of talent, if they could only pull it all together.

Backup in NE: whoever it may be...they cut loose alot of QBs, they must trust who's left to hold down the fort.

I like Leinart and Henne of your group. Leinart is almost getting too expensive compared to his lack of proven production. Henne is a guy to watch. Penny is in the last year of his contract. Here are a few more:Matt Flynn - he will probably not be the long-term starter in GB. But, let's remember Rodgers' history of injuries. GB has a nice cache of weapons.

Brunell - same as above in that it is Brees' job. But, Brunell could be a very good one-year option

Sage Rosenfels - been dropped in several of my leagues. Even Favre does not think he will last the season

Derek Anderson - could be a decent starter in a different situation. With Ratliff now in Cleve, DA could be playing elsewhere in 2010

In deeper leagues, rookies Stephen McGee, Tom Brandstater, and Curtis Painter are good players to stash.

 

[Jersey35]

I try to have three starting qb's on my dynasty teams. It's not always do-able (especially in 14 team leagues), but three qb's makes me very comfortable about the position. Here's generally what I shoot for:First guy is my qb1. I almost never get Brees/Brady/Manning because I just can't/won't draft them that high, but I do get a rivers/cutler/ben/etc - someone who's the face of their team, with plenty of upside, and will give you some really good games throughout the year.Second guy is a solid backup. Most of my teams, it's Eli. Just a guy that won't kill you if your qb1 goes down, may give you a few nice games, and, most importantly, isn't getting benched anytime soon.Third guy is a young, emergency type qb, who could have upside. Russell, T Edwards, Sanchez, etc. I'd put Leinart here too, as it'll be his team soon, and he'll get a shot. I really try to stay away from "thin ice" guys - J Campbell, T Jackson last year, whomever the niners qb is this week, etc.

This is exactly what you should have for a dynasty roster setup.1 stud QB, 1 solid backup, and one developmental type player who could be a star in a year or two.

yup

 

[az_prof]

...I do think that there is almost as good a chance of a decent fantasy QB emerging off waivers as of wasting one of your rookie picks to pick up the NFL's latest first round QB.

Of the top 5 in the game right now, Brees and Peyton required high picks if you got them as rookies. Rodgers a moderate pick, Brady and Warner would have been cheap. So you may be right. If I need a QB with my rookie picks, I'm probably trading for one.

A year ago, Warner was very cheap and a borderline waiver pick up and Rodgers was pretty cheap. Let's think back to the Brees/Rivers situation in SD. Both were fairly inexpensive while Rivers was playing behind Brees and when Brees was recovering from injury. My only point is that at one time most of the top fantasy passers were cheap. Also, Brady and Romo were waiver fodder behind Bledsoe. Yes, they are expensive now. But, that has not always been the case.

My dynasty league started the year Brees was injured and just before he signed with NO. I have always admired Brees and felt he would do well and drafted him in the 10th or 11th round that year. Best pick I made. Another guy you might have gotten very cheap and even off waivers just a few years ago is Garrard. Now, he isn't great, but he is a decent guy and if you have say him and a guy like Big Ben, that's a pretty good pair. You could also get McNabb pretty reasonably because he always seems to be undervalued compared to his performance, but again, due to injuries you need to back him up with a reliable guy. You can probably get a guy like Leinart or Russell as a throw-in player on a trade deal now if you want them because they are developing slowly. I don't believe in either of these guys but my point is why waste a high draft pick on a QB--just wait a couple of years and their value in most cases is much cheaper. How about Aaron Rodgers, for example? He sat behind Favre several years and during that time his value was falling. Those are the kind of guys I want to target.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I disagree with the general consensus that you need a stud QB in a dynasty league because they have longer careers.

In dynasty leagues, everyone wants the young stud QBs. That means everyone else is absurdly cheap. You can get a stud in his early 30's, or a solid guy, for pennies on the dollar. In one league I'm in in this year's RFA auction you could have gotten Donovan Mcnabb AND Kurt Warner for one third the price of Philip Rivers alone.

Also, guys that are performing well during the season but everyone knows has no longterm value (like Thigpen last year) tend just linger around on the wire a lot longer than in redraft leagues, especially if your league uses some form of contracts, league money, or something beyond just roster space for pickups. The teams with those stud QBs (Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc) don't even bother thinking about those guys since they hold no value beyond the current season and they would never start them during the current season.

Over a 5-10 year span, you can probably fill your roster with a half dozen short-term studs for less than the price of one young stud QB, and not be stuck putting all your eggs in one basket in the case of injury or a bust.

Grab a few short term studs on the cheap, and then grab a couple guys with upside behind them. If those guys hit their upside then bang, you've just landed a long-term QB for cheap. If not, grab another short term guy a couple years later and repeat, you're still coming out ahead.

 

[FUBAR]

I disagree with the general consensus that you need a stud QB in a dynasty league because they have longer careers.In dynasty leagues, everyone wants the young stud QBs. That means everyone else is absurdly cheap. You can get a stud in his early 30's, or a solid guy, for pennies on the dollar. In one league I'm in in this year's RFA auction you could have gotten Donovan Mcnabb AND Kurt Warner for one third the price of Philip Rivers alone.Also, guys that are performing well during the season but everyone knows has no longterm value (like Thigpen last year) tend just linger around on the wire a lot longer than in redraft leagues, especially if your league uses some form of contracts, league money, or something beyond just roster space for pickups. The teams with those stud QBs (Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc) don't even bother thinking about those guys since they hold no value beyond the current season and they would never start them during the current season.Over a 5-10 year span, you can probably fill your roster with a half dozen short-term studs for less than the price of one young stud QB, and not be stuck putting all your eggs in one basket in the case of injury or a bust.Grab a few short term studs on the cheap, and then grab a couple guys with upside behind them. If those guys hit their upside then bang, you've just landed a long-term QB for cheap. If not, grab another short term guy a couple years later and repeat, you're still coming out ahead.

That's certainly one plan and it tends to work in the short term. If I'm drafting a new team I probably do it your way, but perhaps not in a league where I want to have some fun and develop a top dynasty for years into the future. A QB like Rodgers or Ryan will be playing at a high level long after the other 2nd or 3rd round picks you could have drafted are out of the league. Think about it, in 2000 you probably could have drafted Peyton Manning in the late 2nd or later of a new dynasty. You might have gotten Ahman Green, Tyrone Wheatley, Rod Smith, etc. around the same spot. I'm not going to advocate spending a 1st unless it's a 2 QB league, but after the truly elite RBs and WRs are gone, for the long term you'd do well to take a young stud QB. That's the beauty of a dynasty league over a redraft, we have different plans / theories and if we're creative enough we can test them out in different leagues.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

A QB like Rodgers or Ryan will be playing at a high level long after the other 2nd or 3rd round picks you could have drafted are out of the league.

Meh, says who? We have this same discussion a couple years ago and your post would have replaced Rodgers/Ryan with Palmer/Anderson. Quarterbacks who have looked good can bust just as easily as other players who have looked good. The difference is their upside is 10 good years instead of 5-7 good years. But if both hit that mark, you're looking at 10 years of a moderate improvement to your team (QB upgrade) vs. 5-7 years of a major upgrade to your team (RB upgrade). I'd happily take the latter, especially given that it will likely be easy to fill that QB spot with several short term plug-ins for a very cheap price.Do you like Matt Ryan any better than Donovan Mcnabb this year? You can get Mcnabb for pennies compared to what Ryan costs in a dynasty. And yeah, 3 years from now Mcnabb will be gone, but someone else that's a proven top-end QB in his early 30's will be there for just as cheap a price to hold you over for the next 3 years. And on and on and on. That's not mentioning the bevy of short term plug-in QBs that will be playing like top 5 or top 10 guys and will be sitting there by week 10 (like Thigpen last year) while every short-term plug-in RB disappears the second anyone thinks about them having a role for as much as a quarter of a football game.Like you said though, this is what makes dynasty leagues so great. It's not just who picks the better players every year, it's people's entire strategy and outlook on how to run their team being measured against each other, and everyone has their own methods that they've had success with.

 

[valence]

Do you like Matt Ryan any better than Donovan Mcnabb this year? You can get Mcnabb for pennies compared to what Ryan costs in a dynasty. And yeah, 3 years from now Mcnabb will be gone, but someone else that's a proven top-end QB in his early 30's will be there for just as cheap a price to hold you over for the next 3 years. And on and on and on. That's not mentioning the bevy of short term plug-in QBs that will be playing like top 5 or top 10 guys and will be sitting there by week 10 (like Thigpen last year) while every short-term plug-in RB disappears the second anyone thinks about them having a role for as much as a quarter of a football game.

this is 100% true in my experience. in a startup contract dynasty league this year Ryan went in the 4th round. McNabb fell to me at 6.12 - highway robbery. At 8.12 Carson Palmer was sitting there, so I took him too. I'd rather spend a late 6th and a late 8th on two proven vets then a 4th or even earlier on a young up and comer.

 

[FUBAR]

A QB like Rodgers or Ryan will be playing at a high level long after the other 2nd or 3rd round picks you could have drafted are out of the league.

Meh, says who? We have this same discussion a couple years ago and your post would have replaced Rodgers/Ryan with Palmer/Anderson. Quarterbacks who have looked good can bust just as easily as other players who have looked good. The difference is their upside is 10 good years instead of 5-7 good years. But if both hit that mark, you're looking at 10 years of a moderate improvement to your team (QB upgrade) vs. 5-7 years of a major upgrade to your team (RB upgrade). I'd happily take the latter, especially given that it will likely be easy to fill that QB spot with several short term plug-ins for a very cheap price.Do you like Matt Ryan any better than Donovan Mcnabb this year? You can get Mcnabb for pennies compared to what Ryan costs in a dynasty. And yeah, 3 years from now Mcnabb will be gone, but someone else that's a proven top-end QB in his early 30's will be there for just as cheap a price to hold you over for the next 3 years. And on and on and on. That's not mentioning the bevy of short term plug-in QBs that will be playing like top 5 or top 10 guys and will be sitting there by week 10 (like Thigpen last year) while every short-term plug-in RB disappears the second anyone thinks about them having a role for as much as a quarter of a football game.Like you said though, this is what makes dynasty leagues so great. It's not just who picks the better players every year, it's people's entire strategy and outlook on how to run their team being measured against each other, and everyone has their own methods that they've had success with.

No, my post wouldn't have said Anderson as I was never a fan. Palmer sure, but he's still a top 12 QB. As for the moderate improvement, depends how you look at it. The best QB last year averaged 4 more points per game than the worst starting QB in a 12 team league. The best RB also scored 4 more points per game than the worst RB1 in the league. But that's not even a fair assessment because nobody here is advocating taking a QB in the 1st, I'm saying early 3rd maybe late 2nd. At which point you're able to get around the #15 RB or #5 WR (roughly). I might advocate for taking the WR, but I won't take the RB if I'm planning for longer than 2 years.

 

[FUBAR]

Do you like Matt Ryan any better than Donovan Mcnabb this year? You can get Mcnabb for pennies compared to what Ryan costs in a dynasty. And yeah, 3 years from now Mcnabb will be gone, but someone else that's a proven top-end QB in his early 30's will be there for just as cheap a price to hold you over for the next 3 years. And on and on and on. That's not mentioning the bevy of short term plug-in QBs that will be playing like top 5 or top 10 guys and will be sitting there by week 10 (like Thigpen last year) while every short-term plug-in RB disappears the second anyone thinks about them having a role for as much as a quarter of a football game.

this is 100% true in my experience. in a startup contract dynasty league this year Ryan went in the 4th round. McNabb fell to me at 6.12 - highway robbery. At 8.12 Carson Palmer was sitting there, so I took him too. I'd rather spend a late 6th and a late 8th on two proven vets then a 4th or even earlier on a young up and comer.

Yeah, honestly Ryan is going too high for my blood, but he's an example of a young QB who will be around for years. Rodgers is a guy I've targeted. On the whole, I agree that I won't target QBs but I make exception for the truly elite which become core players.