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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (6 Viewers)

Brunell4MVP said:
Yes, made the team. He should have. A struggling franchise looking for a QB has to try over and over again until they get the right one. Why would they let him go?

I think more importantly Gabriel appears to be the clear #2. Sanders isn't seeing the field until at best they have exhausted all other options. No reason it can't work out for him long term, but he wasn't drafted as high as Gabriel nor has he perfored as well as Gabriel, either in college or in their limited time in the NFL. I'll go with Sanders starts 0 games, but plays mop up duty in 2 of them. Mostly cause I think once their season is over Flacco goes to the bench for Gabriel.
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Cleveland schedule out of the gates: CIN, @bal, GB, @DET, MIN, @PIT, MIA, @NE, and BYE. Think we could see Gabriel by Week 10 after the BYE.
 
Snotbubbles said:
Brunell4MVP said:
Yes, made the team. He should have. A struggling franchise looking for a QB has to try over and over again until they get the right one. Why would they let him go?

I think more importantly Gabriel appears to be the clear #2. Sanders isn't seeing the field until at best they have exhausted all other options. No reason it can't work out for him long term, but he wasn't drafted as high as Gabriel nor has he perfored as well as Gabriel, either in college or in their limited time in the NFL. I'll go with Sanders starts 0 games, but plays mop up duty in 2 of them. Mostly cause I think once their season is over Flacco goes to the bench for Gabriel.
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Cleveland schedule out of the gates: CIN, @bal, GB, @DET, MIN, @PIT, MIA, @NE, and BYE. Think we could see Gabriel by Week 10 after the BYE.
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Bracie Smathers said:
3C's said:
Seems somewhat unlikely with him being 3rd on the depth chart.
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Two years ago in 2023 the Browns started 5 quarterbacks at least one game that season.
Last year in 2024 the Browns started 4 quarterbacks at least one game.
Seems LIKELY he'll see the field this year.
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Yes, injuries happen. If they roll with Sanders they're punting the season. If flacco gets hurt they're hunting for another QB, resigning Huntley if he's available.
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I think at some point we see Gabriel and Sanders start. The Browns aren't likely to be in the hunt come Thanksgiving so they would be dumb to not get those 2 youngsters out there and see what they have got.
 
Ilov80s said:
I think at some point we see Gabriel and Sanders start. The Browns aren't likely to be in the hunt come Thanksgiving so they would be dumb to not get those 2 youngsters out there and see what they have got.
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I think the O / U on different QB's to start for the Browns is 3.5
 
MAC_32 said:
Ilov80s said:
I think at some point we see Gabriel and Sanders start. The Browns aren't likely to be in the hunt come Thanksgiving so they would be dumb to not get those 2 youngsters out there and see what they have got.
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I think the O / U on different QB's to start for the Browns is 3.5
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I believe the Browns recently set or tied the record for most QBs to start in a season. They could threaten the record again lol.
 
Ilov80s said:
MAC_32 said:
Ilov80s said:
I think at some point we see Gabriel and Sanders start. The Browns aren't likely to be in the hunt come Thanksgiving so they would be dumb to not get those 2 youngsters out there and see what they have got.
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I think the O / U on different QB's to start for the Browns is 3.5
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I believe the Browns recently set or tied the record for most QBs to start in a season. They could threaten the record again lol.
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Don't they hold the record for most starting QB's over like the last 30 years? They've been atrocious when it comes to evaluating QB "talent".


**ETA**
"The Cleveland Browns hold the record for the most starting quarterbacks in the NFL over the last 30 years, largely due to their franchise's instability at the position since the team resumed play in 1999. While the exact timeframe for "the last 30 years" can vary, sources consistently point to the Browns having by far the most starting quarterbacks in the period since their return to the league in 1999."

:ROFLMAO:
 
Zappe is running the scout team so that's a bit of a negative on Sheduer.
As I've said before, scout team QB isn't such a bad spot for a rookie. They get quite a bit of experience with a lot of different looks while the backup QB gets like a dozen snaps all week.
 
TripItUp said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Total clown with horrible advisors
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I don't understand the Shedeur hate.

He's confident, okay, that's probably good for a QB.
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I do feel a little bit sorry for him. Doesn't seem like a bad kid considering what he had working against him.

More recently, that report about spitting on a chance to backup Lamar Jackson on the Ravens after going undrafted through four rounds makes him a pretty easy target.

I'd be all over an odd couple reality show of Shedeur and Tua. One NFL starter that can't do half the things Josh Allen can, while the other is a 4th stringer that's 10 times the quarterback.
 
sushinsky4tsar said:
TripItUp said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Total clown with horrible advisors
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I don't understand the Shedeur hate.

He's confident, okay, that's probably good for a QB.
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I do feel a little bit sorry for him. Doesn't seem like a bad kid considering what he had working against him.

More recently, that report about spitting on a chance to backup Lamar Jackson on the Ravens after going undrafted through four rounds makes him a pretty easy target.

I'd be all over an odd couple reality show of Shedeur and Tua. One NFL starter that can't do half the things Josh Allen can, while the other is a 4th stringer that's 10 times the quarterback.
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I think the media's love for Deion is making them underreport what he recently said, which opens up more of a window as to why Shedeur tumbled so far in the draft. The Ravens and Eagles are two great organizations, and in light of how this has played out, Deion telling his son to not go to either place because he'd be a backup was some pretty bad advice.
 
Faust said:
Adam Schefter
Ravens planned to take Shedeur Sanders in the fifth round, but before Baltimore could turn in the card, the former Colorado star let it be known that he didn’t want to be on a roster with Lamar Jackson, where he would be a backup.
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But... but... it was collusion and racism that kept teams from drafting him. Not him actively telling them NOT to draft him... :tinfoilhat: To see what Caleb Williams gets skewered by people for, and then turn around and watch what this kid says and does get defended by people... Let's just not act surprised anymore or claim there's "no reason" that people aren't rooting for Sanders to succeed. Watched the full interview and this wasn't some misleading quote clipped maliciously. And really it only kind of got worse. Had an opportunity to recognize his current situation is in part due to how he acted and what he said leading up to the draft, especially in team interviews and instead took the "It's Gods plan" approach and capped it with "It's just funny to me."

I was hoping for a little humility and humbleness coming out at some point this season after falling where he did in the draft and landing himself as QB3 at best on a team with basically no good starting option. Instead he ****s on his peers, including his own teammates by insinuation, and shirks all personal accountability in favor of "God". There's a dozen ways to verbalize confidence without taking digs at the rest of the QBs who are actually starting right now. And it's coming from a guy who's done nothing and earned nothing. I understand/can rationalize some people still liking and rooting for him; what I can't understand is people still pretending he also does nothing to earn people's ire.
 
Max55 said:
Not sure if Sanders will ever be a good NFL QB or not but being 3rd string on the Browns validates where he was drafted.

In other words, if the kid had top 5 talent like some tried to push, he’d either be starting or at least the backup.
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The word by some in camp was that he outperformed Dillon.

gun to my head Shedeur has a better NFL career than Dillon.
 
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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Also the first time in his entire life he's playing football and his dad isn't his coach.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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mrfrood said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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Don’t agree that these kids face greater challenges than other talented players. The things you mentioned are quickly dwarfed by the attention and many opportunities they get to prove themselves.

And you missed a few big ones. Cecil & Prince, Brett and Bobby, Jelly Bean & Kobe, dell & Steph & Seth, Vlad and Vlad Jr., Moises & Felipe, Ed & Christian…

An interesting question is: what percent of NFL players are 2nd generation? I’d bet it was closer to 5 pct than 0.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).
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Baseball:
Sandy Alomar Sr = 1964-1978 second base, stolen base leader, defensive player.

Had 2 sons...

Sandy Alomar Jr = 1988-2007 catcher, 6 time All-Star, Rookie of the Year, MVP of All-Star Game

and

Roberto Alomar = 1988-2004 second base, 12 time All-Star, 10 gold gloves, 2 World Series wins, Hall of Fame = considered one of the best to ever play second base.
 
eighsse2 said:
mrfrood said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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rockaction said:
Yeah, Saints, I think that's actually really incorrect.

Cecil and son Prince Fielder
Keith and sons Brady and Matthew Tkachuk
Ken Norton and Ken Norton Jr.
Bob Boone and sons Bret and Aaron
Archie Manning and sons Payton and Eli
I think the list sort of keeps going and going . . .
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Thanks, & I should’ve said *4 major sports, eg the Hulls.

I did specifically mention Archie.
 
Riffraff said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).
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Baseball:
Sandy Alomar Sr = 1964-1978 second base, stolen base leader, defensive player.

Had 2 sons...

Sandy Alomar Jr = 1988-2007 catcher, 6 time All-Star, Rookie of the Year, MVP of All-Star Game

and

Roberto Alomar = 1988-2004 second base, 12 time All-Star, 10 gold gloves, 2 World Series wins, Hall of Fame = considered one of the best to ever play second base.
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By the way, I did that post completely without the aid of beer. Amazing realky. Thanks for the responses.
 
sushinsky4tsar said:
n, while the other is a 4th stringer that's 10 times the quarterback.
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Now that’s a hot take. Shedeur would be lucky to be the same QB Tua was before the concussions.
Smack Tripper said:
I'd cut this bozo, why is he even doing interviews?
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Because it gets clicks?
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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Dell curry was not Deion level but very good. ETA - shouldn’t need to add, but Steph is a bit of a star.

The Matthews family might not be “stars” but anyone in the business or a real fan knows how good they were.
 
oldmanhawkins said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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Don’t agree that these kids face greater challenges than other talented players. The things you mentioned are quickly dwarfed by the attention and many opportunities they get to prove themselves.

And you missed a few big ones. Cecil & Prince, Brett and Bobby, Jelly Bean & Kobe, dell & Steph & Seth, Vlad and Vlad Jr., Moises & Felipe, Ed & Christian…

An interesting question is: what percent of NFL players are 2nd generation? I’d bet it was closer to 5 pct than 0.
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Just on the last piece, you’re right, the Saints I can think of two at least. I was really referring to sons of true stars.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
rockaction said:
Yeah, Saints, I think that's actually really incorrect.

Cecil and son Prince Fielder
Keith and sons Brady and Matthew Tkachuk
Ken Norton and Ken Norton Jr.
Bob Boone and sons Bret and Aaron
Archie Manning and sons Payton and Eli
I think the list sort of keeps going and going . . .
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Thanks, & I should’ve said *4 major sports, eg the Hulls.

I did specifically mention Archie.
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Okay SaintsInDome2006, and I am very sorry I commented before reading the whole thing. It just seemed wrong right on its face, but I should have gotten your whole argument. Mea culpa, and have a good weekend, bud.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I might get this wrong but from my recollection the only sons of a major star in the 3 big league sports to really become a star in his own right was Ken Griffey Jr. and then maybe arguably the Manning boys (& Archie was a big star in NO & the South, & at one point the NFL’s highest paid player, but I don’t think he was exactly a “National Star” as his career was mostly mediocre).

It doesn’t really mean anything but I think it just reflects the challenges these kids have. The star father often came from tough circumstances while the son grew up privileged. Then there’s the pressure, the comparison, the (unearned) love & hate. It’s a lot to handle & it’s already hard enough being a pro.
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For those who watched hockey back in the day, Mark Howe. Though Canadians are a different breed.
 
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