TE Taysom Hill, NO (6 Viewers)

[Weebs210]

I'm down bad after njoku played 90% of the snaps and got one target. Considering holding to see if targets catch up to %, swinging for the fence on Hill, or someone safe like Logan Thomas. I'm leaning swinging for the fences with Hill.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Is this dude cheat code or fool’s gold?

I have the 3rd WW priority. Schultz is my TE1. Irv Smith my TE2.

Considering a claim. Anyone wanna talk me out of it?

How many TDs do you think he’ll get on gadget plays? Seems like fools gold to me.

 

[Team Smokin']

Is this dude cheat code or fool’s gold?

I have the 3rd WW priority. Schultz is my TE1. Irv Smith my TE2.

Considering a claim. Anyone wanna talk me out of it?

I see Taysom listed as a QB, TE in our Yahoo league. He can plot in at a number of positions from QB, TE, FLEX if needed. Seems his floor would be 4-7, which is what some TE's get anyway. When he scores a rushing TD he could see 13-16 points a game, not too bad. If Winston goes down or more QB gadget plays are added then his numbers go up even more. Hmmm. Where is he listed on Footballguys??? Is he a QB or TE or what? I don't see any projections on Taysom Hill anywhere... yet.

 

[need2know]

Is this dude cheat code or fool’s gold?

I have the 3rd WW priority. Schultz is my TE1. Irv Smith my TE2.

Considering a claim. Anyone wanna talk me out of it?

I waited on te as well and am curious about him. You know he's going to throw some tds near the goaline

 

[Grahamburn]

Seems like as good of a dart throw as any of the other guys who might be available. Prototypical TE might get 4-6 targets a game with a 50/50 shot at a RZ look. What's different for Hill? Reception or two, a screen, 3-4 carries, goal-line, possibility of a passing TD.

 

[VikingFrog]

Is this dude cheat code or fool’s gold?

I have the 3rd WW priority. Schultz is my TE1. Irv Smith my TE2.

Considering a claim. Anyone wanna talk me out of it?

I’m in the same boat. I may use it. My team was awful. I need upside.

I’m imagining a world where Winston and Dalton go down and I can plug him in at TE as a QB.

 

[Weebs210]

Another thing to think about is if just Winston goes down. Dalton will still be the starter but I bet he gets more attempts in general.

 

[Team Smokin']

I'm still trying to find out where FOOTBALLGUYS list him as? MT didn't have him as a TE either. A QB? Cuz I don't see him ranked anywhere.
Taysom Hill, NO - QB, TE

My bad MT has T Hill at TE #44 this week. So, there we go... I gotta believe he's a worthy TE number 2 to play and have for upside?

 

[VikingFrog]

I'm still trying to find out where FOOTBALLGUYS list him as? MT didn't have him as a TE either. A QB? Cuz I don't see him ranked anywhere.
Taysom Hill, NO - QB, TE

My bad MT has T Hill at TE #44 this week. So, there we go... I gotta believe he's a worthy TE number 2 to play and have for upside?

He seems very polarizing. Myself included.

To start the season he was off my radar because “everyone said” the saints would not use him like the old regime. And there he was running gadget plays.

If you go to the week 1 waiver adds thread he’s still very polarizing.

You either think he has tremendous upside if he gets 4-5 carries a game, a few targets, and maybe even a pass attempt.

Or you think week 1 is a flash in the pan and you shouldn’t chase points.

My TE is Isaiah Likely, so I have nowhere to go but up.

 

[:deadbevo:]

I waited on te as well and am curious about him. You know he's going to throw (and run and catch) some tds near the goaline

 

[pollardsvision]

Why do so many sites still have him TE eligible?

Over the last two seasons, he's caught 13 passes. In that time he's thrown the ball 250 times and run the ball 160 times (almost all of those lined up as a quarterback with the ball snapped directly to him).

Our league is just considering not letting people play him at tight end.

 

[Gally]

Why do so many sites still have him TE eligible?

Over the last two seasons, he's caught 13 passes. In that time he's thrown the ball 250 times and run the ball 160 times (almost all of those lined up as a quarterback with the ball snapped directly to him).

Our league is just considering not letting people play him at tight end.

so you are saying he should only be eligible at QB? It's not like he gives you huge advantage playing TE for fantasy purposes. That really only makes him possibly playable

 

[grateful zed]

listed as TE at MFL

 

[Ray Barboni]

He’s only valuable if listed at TE. Period.

 

[Grahamburn]

Why do so many sites still have him TE eligible?

Over the last two seasons, he's caught 13 passes. In that time he's thrown the ball 250 times and run the ball 160 times (almost all of those lined up as a quarterback with the ball snapped directly to him).

Our league is just considering not letting people play him at tight end.

Seems like something a commish who has high end TE shares would suggest.

If someone in your league was savvy enough to wait on TE, drafted him, and has the stones to start him he deserves all the points he can get.

 

[pollardsvision]

Why do so many sites still have him TE eligible?

Over the last two seasons, he's caught 13 passes. In that time he's thrown the ball 250 times and run the ball 160 times (almost all of those lined up as a quarterback with the ball snapped directly to him).

Our league is just considering not letting people play him at tight end.

so you are saying he should only be eligible at QB? It's not like he gives you huge advantage playing TE for fantasy purposes. That really only makes him possibly playable

I'm not sure what he should be. Just curious. In ESPN, for example, he's only listed as a TE. I think other sites do too. There's a lot of evidence to suggest he's a QB and RB. Very little to suggest he's a TE.

Taysom is clearly a back-up running QB that sneaks out to catch a pass about every 3 games.

In baseball, position eligibility is very clear. Just wondering how fantasy sites seem to be in agreement about this one thing that makes no sense.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

TE in my league. Def worth a claim.

 

[pollardsvision]

Why do so many sites still have him TE eligible?

Over the last two seasons, he's caught 13 passes. In that time he's thrown the ball 250 times and run the ball 160 times (almost all of those lined up as a quarterback with the ball snapped directly to him).

Our league is just considering not letting people play him at tight end.

Seems like something a commish who has high end TE shares would suggest.

If someone in your league was savvy enough to wait on TE, drafted him, and has the stones to start him he deserves all the points he can get.

No agenda. This league doesn't even use a TE spot.

Taysom as a TE for fantasy eligibility just seems nonsensical. Every single person posting in this thread only cares based on the chances he's lining up at QB getting ready to run the ball. This is a thread devoted to the Saints 3rd sting "TE" (and they don't even throw to the 1st string TE).

In this particular league, it doesn't even matter, unless Jameis and Dalton both go down and the Saints start using their "TE" as the starting QB.

It's just an attempt at getting rid of a stupid loophole that nobody understands why the fantasy sites still have.

 

[The Frankman]

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I'm just going to quote Nathan Janke from PFF here because anything I say about Hill will be construed as me being a hater apparently:

Let someone else pick up Taysom Hill: Hill put up great fantasy points for a tight end with one touchdown, but his usage is unlikely to produce many great fantasy performances.

• He was on the field for only 16 plays and blocked on half of them.
• He will probably see a carry or two in most games, but it’s unlikely he sees four very often. And when he does, he probably won’t break many 50-yard runs.
• His four routes aren’t nearly consistent enough to be in fantasy starting lineups.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's just an attempt at getting rid of a stupid loophole that nobody understands why the fantasy sites still have.

Dude’s a TE because the Saints say he’s a TE. So he’s a TE. It doesn’t seem that hard to understand.

He’s actually 2nd on their depth chart.

And there’s a chance he’s a game-breaker if Winston sucks or gets hurt, or both.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

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I'm just going to quote Nathan Janke from PFF here because anything I say about Hill will be construed as me being a hater apparently:

Let someone else pick up Taysom Hill: Hill put up great fantasy points for a tight end with one touchdown, but his usage is unlikely to produce many great fantasy performances.

• He was on the field for only 16 plays and blocked on half of them.
• He will probably see a carry or two in most games, but it’s unlikely he sees four very often. And when he does, he probably won’t break many 50-yard runs.
• His four routes aren’t nearly consistent enough to be in fantasy starting lineups.

All true.

But for a BYE week lottery ticket, or potential jackpot if things break right, I do think he’s worth a pickup.

I have Hockenson & will start Hockenson. But Hill isn’t a bad speculation grab.

 

[grateful zed]

could be a league winner, if he hits his rythm.

 

[pollardsvision]

It's just an attempt at getting rid of a stupid loophole that nobody understands why the fantasy sites still have.

Dude’s a TE because the Saints say he’s a TE. So he’s a TE. It doesn’t seem that hard to understand.

He’s actually 2nd on their depth chart.

And there’s a chance he’s a game-breaker if Winston sucks or gets hurt, or both.

I think you made my point. Why is he a game-breaker if WInston gets hurt? Shouldn't he be a game-breaker if Trautman gets hurt, you know, if he's a TE?

I'm not knocking the strategy. But obviously, it's a loophole. I'm really not sure how somebody could deny that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's just an attempt at getting rid of a stupid loophole that nobody understands why the fantasy sites still have.

Dude’s a TE because the Saints say he’s a TE. So he’s a TE. It doesn’t seem that hard to understand.

He’s actually 2nd on their depth chart.

And there’s a chance he’s a game-breaker if Winston sucks or gets hurt, or both.

I think you made my point. Why is he a game-breaker if WInston gets hurt? Shouldn't he be a game-breaker if Trautman gets hurt, you know, if he's a TE?

I'm not knocking the strategy. But obviously, it's a loophole. I'm really not sure how somebody could deny that.

Of course it’s a loophole. Who doesn’t love loopholes?!


Only part I disagreed with is the suggestion that no one understands why he’s listed as a TE.

 

[Weebs210]

This is almost feeling like last year with Patterson in the sense it's taking advantage of a position play (RB/WR now QB/TE) and people saying it's not sustainable.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is almost feeling like last year with Patterson in the sense it's taking advantage of a position play (RB/WR now QB/TE) and people saying it's not sustainable.

Hill is a weapon. IMO they’ll keep using him. Gadget guy, Swiss Army knife, trickerarion. I would if I were the Saints.

Makes more sense to use him at QB from time to time than when they had a HOF QB coming off the field to do it.

 

[Grahamburn]

He always seems to torch the Bucs. I do know that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And there’s a chance he’s a game-breaker if Winston sucks or gets hurt, or both.

Isn’t Dalton the backup QB?

 

[VikingFrog]

And there’s a chance he’s a game-breaker if Winston sucks or gets hurt, or both.

Isn’t Dalton the backup QB?

I think the assumption is if Dalton comes in he is used more.

If Dalton were to go down. League winning upside.

That’s asking a lot. But Dak and Dalton went down last year and that’s how Cooper Rush was born.

Whether that’s right or wrong or that fantasy dream comes true is anyones guess.

I think he’s as good a Yang stash as any, but I wouldn’t be banking on him as my starting tight end just yet.

Though I have dog Doo Doo at tight end so if I do get him as a free agent I may start him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And there’s a chance he’s a game-breaker if Winston sucks or gets hurt, or both.

Isn’t Dalton the backup QB?

He is.

He’s not great, and I would bet they’d get hill more involved regardless of Winston went down.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And there’s a chance he’s a game-breaker if Winston sucks or gets hurt, or both.

Isn’t Dalton the backup QB?

I think the assumption is if Dalton comes in he is used more.

If Dalton were to go down. League winning upside.

That’s asking a lot. But Dak and Dalton went down last year and that’s how Cooper Rush was born.

Whether that’s right or wrong or that fantasy dream comes true is anyones guess.

I think he’s as good a Yang stash as any, but I wouldn’t be banking on him as my starting tight end just yet.

Though I have dog Doo Doo at tight end so if I do get him as a free agent I may start him.

This.

 

[Loipz]

I’m willing to gamble on him solely due to the TE eligibility. At least in the leagues I don’t have at least a Hock type.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I opted to preserve my 3rd priority.

If Hill clears waivers I’ll add him. There are a few backup TEs available.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

H

I’m willing to gamble on him solely due to the TE eligibility. At least in the leagues I don’t have at least a Hock type.

Hock is exactly who I have.

In a couple leagues I have Kittle I’m placing sensible bids.

 

[VikingFrog]

I opted to preserve my 3rd priority.

If Hill clears waivers I’ll add him. There are a few backup TEs available.

I did too.

Which with the way my fantasy season is going already… and has been the last 3 years or so… will mean that he will become the QB1 of the league in someone else’s TE spot.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I opted to preserve my 3rd priority.

If Hill clears waivers I’ll add him. There are a few backup TEs available.

I did too.

Which with the way my fantasy season is going already… and has been the last 3 years or so… will mean that he will become the QB1 of the league in someone else’s TE spot.

There’s 2 injuries required before Hill would be playing QB - he’s a terrible QB (well the passing part of being a QB at least).

 

[Hartliner]

Definitely, not targeting you or this take as a hater, but glad you posted this. This is 'The Bearish Taysom Hill Take'. I heard this all day yesterday. However, I still think Hill has the most stupid immense upside that I've seen at TE eligible sites.

- I think its very easy for a lot of talking heads to say don't waste your FAAB/Waiver on Hill and instead promote a safer Logan Thomas/Gerald Everett/etc as the move and I'm sure 9/10 that is better and you won't get the goose egg....but that is boring and not the high upside move.

- Hill needs to be rostered and you need to bench him this week to see if this becomes a trend. These touches were not lucky, the difference is the team designed these touches for Hill and with the success it should continue or grow.

- He is a QB, WR, TE, RB that is on a team with a less than 100% Alvin Kamara(rib injury), a fumbling/pedestrian Mark Ingram, and Latavius Murray just joined the practice squad which makes me worry about the previous 2 even more.

- We also are now seeing some unconventional trends emerge too w/ these 'Widebacks' like Deebo, Cordarrelle, (possibly Curtis Samuel) NFL is a copycat league. Taysom is prolly some sort of variation of this.

I picked him up for free and will hold until I see a higher upside play or if he falls out of the plans.

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I'm just going to quote Nathan Janke from PFF here because anything I say about Hill will be construed as me being a hater apparently:

Let someone else pick up Taysom Hill: Hill put up great fantasy points for a tight end with one touchdown, but his usage is unlikely to produce many great fantasy performances.

• He was on the field for only 16 plays and blocked on half of them.
• He will probably see a carry or two in most games, but it’s unlikely he sees four very often. And when he does, he probably won’t break many 50-yard runs.
• His four routes aren’t nearly consistent enough to be in fantasy starting lineups.

 

[:deadbevo:]

No brainer pickup - downside is you have a backup TE. Better than 0 chance you have QB numbers from your TE at some point? Yes please.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Better than 0 chance

How much better than 0 are the odds that 2 QBs ahead of him will get hurt? While better than zero it’s still pretty low. He’s not the backup QB which no one seems to realize.

 

[:deadbevo:]

Better than 0 chance

How much better than 0 are the odds that 2 QBs ahead of him will get hurt? While better than zero it’s still pretty low. He’s not the backup QB which no one seems to realize.

I believe everyone realizes that.... he doesn't need to be the starter to make an impact.

I am willing to bet his usage would increase markedly with Dalton. I'd argue that is a near certainty. I am also willing to bet a small % of my faab that his usage remains relatively consistent with Winston - not bad for a backup TE.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I opted to preserve my 3rd priority.

If Hill clears waivers I’ll add him. There are a few backup TEs available.

I did too.

Which with the way my fantasy season is going already… and has been the last 3 years or so… will mean that he will become the QB1 of the league in someone else’s TE spot.

There’s 2 injuries required before Hill would be playing QB - he’s a terrible QB (well the passing part of being a QB at least).

1. He cleared waivers
2. I opted to go with L. Thomas & his six targets.

 

[massraider]

In short bench leagues, he'll probably have 4 different owners this year.

 

[skillz]

I opted to preserve my 3rd priority.

If Hill clears waivers I’ll add him. There are a few backup TEs available.

I did too.

Which with the way my fantasy season is going already… and has been the last 3 years or so… will mean that he will become the QB1 of the league in someone else’s TE spot.

There’s 2 injuries required before Hill would be playing QB - he’s a terrible QB (well the passing part of being a QB at least).

1. He cleared waivers
2. I opted to go with L. Thomas & his six targets.

In my league I picked up Thomas. Got lucky since two owners with higher waiver priority took Howard and Hill. I wanted Thomas more than them anyway.

 

[Smack Tripper]

He looked damn good running the ball

I’m also leaning towards picking him up becaise guys like this can make fantasy fun

 

[metoo]

I'm down bad after njoku played 90% of the snaps and got one target. Considering holding to see if targets catch up to %, swinging for the fence on Hill, or someone safe like Logan Thomas. I'm leaning swinging for the fences with Hill.

What has Njokeu ever done in the league?

 

[grateful zed]

just paid 1/3 of my budget for him.

 

[Mitchie]

Definitely, not targeting you or this take as a hater, but glad you posted this. This is 'The Bearish Taysom Hill Take'. I heard this all day yesterday. However, I still think Hill has the most stupid immense upside that I've seen at TE eligible sites.

- I think its very easy for a lot of talking heads to say don't waste your FAAB/Waiver on Hill and instead promote a safer Logan Thomas/Gerald Everett/etc as the move and I'm sure 9/10 that is better and you won't get the goose egg....but that is boring and not the high upside move.

- Hill needs to be rostered and you need to bench him this week to see if this becomes a trend. These touches were not lucky, the difference is the team designed these touches for Hill and with the success it should continue or grow.

- He is a QB, WR, TE, RB that is on a team with a less than 100% Alvin Kamara(rib injury), a fumbling/pedestrian Mark Ingram, and Latavius Murray just joined the practice squad which makes me worry about the previous 2 even more.

- We also are now seeing some unconventional trends emerge too w/ these 'Widebacks' like Deebo, Cordarrelle, (possibly Curtis Samuel) NFL is a copycat league. Taysom is prolly some sort of variation of this.

I picked him up for free and will hold until I see a higher upside play or if he falls out of the plans.

...

I'm just going to quote Nathan Janke from PFF here because anything I say about Hill will be construed as me being a hater apparently:

Let someone else pick up Taysom Hill: Hill put up great fantasy points for a tight end with one touchdown, but his usage is unlikely to produce many great fantasy performances.

• He was on the field for only 16 plays and blocked on half of them.
• He will probably see a carry or two in most games, but it’s unlikely he sees four very often. And when he does, he probably won’t break many 50-yard runs.
• His four routes aren’t nearly consistent enough to be in fantasy starting lineups.

This is kind of my thinking, going with him over Everett and Thomas since he'd be my backup TE and I'll roll the dice for the upside. I could see him being used more although could easily see him being boom/bust each week. Tough call though b/c there is value in those other guys.

 

[blips24]

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I'm just going to quote Nathan Janke from PFF here because anything I say about Hill will be construed as me being a hater apparently:

Let someone else pick up Taysom Hill: Hill put up great fantasy points for a tight end with one touchdown, but his usage is unlikely to produce many great fantasy performances.

• He was on the field for only 16 plays and blocked on half of them.
• He will probably see a carry or two in most games, but it’s unlikely he sees four very often. And when he does, he probably won’t break many 50-yard runs.
• His four routes aren’t nearly consistent enough to be in fantasy starting lineups

He may only be on the field for a limited amount a plays but I'm guessing he will have a high volume of red zone touches. That said I did not pick him up and went a different directions but I'm wondering if I made the wrong move.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Taysom Hill has 9 career red zone targets: 2018 - 1, 2019 - 6, 2020 - 2, and none last year. 5 RZ TD receptions in 66 games.

His red zone rushed have been more frequent, with 65 for his career. Week one was the 15th time he converted a RZ rush into a TD.

 

[TapRackBang]

Considering if you don't have Kelce or Andrews you're rolling the dice every week, having a "TE" that gets QB snaps and is quite good at running the wild cat, or can throw deep is an intriguing prospect. What's the worst that can happen? He gets a 0? I get those all the time from my other TEs.