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Footballguy
Trey Lance could sit 5 years, he's nowhere near as talented.
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QB Trey Lance, SF (1 Viewer)
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farfromforgotten
Footballguy
Bold statement after the fact. No one knew how good those guys would be until, you know, they actually got on the field.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Maybe. I hope we get a chance to find out.
Those guys played a ton of qb in college however....lance hasn't seen game action in what 3-4 years now?
League Champion
Footballguy
I have zero faith in Lance. He's Marcus Mariota light, and that's not good 😊
foxco
Footballguy
He saw game action in September of '22, less than a year ago. Didn't look that great though.
Yes he's seen what amounts to about 3-4 NFL games but, I've said this a few times in this thread so sorry to sound like broken record, but he's attempted a grand total of 409 passes in his high school, college and pro career combined and this time period goes all the way back to 2016. To put that in some perspective 18 QB's in the NFL attempted more passes then that last year.
His lack of experience trying to play QB at this level is almost unheard off. I don't see how he can continue to sit and worry he's already sat to long. I believe Kyle understands this and while he has his ego and Lance is a huge sunk cost I've been hopeful that he would do right by Lance and try to move him if he's not going to play. And that's what they might be doing.
I'll just say again I got a little down on Lance having a suitor when two QB needy teams with ties to him went in another direction. Could really even add the Dolphins to that list who signed Mike White.
dipandglide
Footballguy
What pick(s) would you give up for Lance in Superflex?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't play Superflex, but I have been learning a lot about it the last 6 months. I want to learn in case I want to play in one in the near future. As for your question, in SF, his owners still view him as 1st round value, but in reality it is 2nd round value IMO. It's probably best to try and buy during the draft when the Lance owner has his sights on a particular player in the 2nd round. For all you SF players don't make too much fun of me on that analysis.
League Champion
Footballguy
He's such a crap shoot, he may never be a starter. I wouldn't give up anything higher than a 2nd. That's just me though.
Dez
Footballguy
In a monsoon
He actually made some really nice throws the first half and then the downpour started. The whole team fell apart in the 2nd half, so hard to put the blame on Lance. Got hurt in the first series of game 2, so a lost season.
He just turned 23. I wouldn't put much stock in the people that are trashing him. With only one year of college football and sitting out the Covid season, nobody, including the 49ers should have had high expectations for his rookie year. If they did, then that's on them. He played pretty well against the Texans in his last start in 2021.
Looking forward to seeing him in camp this year and hoping he gets to start the first 4-6 games to actually get a decent sample size
League Champion
Footballguy
If he only starts 4-6 games then that probably means that he wasn't that good. He needs to win the job in camp or week 1.
Or it could mean that Purdy is really good
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I chalk tbis one up to the old “running from a bear” adage. You don’t have to outrun the bear. Ya just have to outrun your friend.
Purdy is good. I’m not sure he’s “what they expected Lance to be when they drafted him” good.
The article I saw today looks like it was commissioned by the Niners PR dept trying to bolster his trade value.
I don’t think so. They aren’t trading Lance because his value is low and they don’t have a definite timeline for Purdy yet. No reason to trade him at this point.
The only way his trade value is bolstered is he begins the season and he plays well. If he plays like the guy they expected when they drafted him, they won’t want to trade him. Give him 4-6 games and see what he can do.
rockaction
Footballguy
The 49ers are competing for the NFC title from the jump. They're likely not in the business of giving a guy 4-6 entire games to see how he looks, three first-round picks or not. They went to Purdy out of desperation last year, after Lance and after Jimmy G. This year will be a lot different. They'll have three to choose from, and they will pick the guy that gives them the best chance to win out of the gate. I can't see them slowing their roll to develop a QB in that time period.
Depending on how you view Lance, they might be wise to do so, but I don't think they will. Doesn't seem up their alley.
skol asylum
Footballguy
I agree with that. I wouldnt be opposed to the Vikings sending over a 3rd.
League Champion
Footballguy
This exactly. We're talking about the 49ers, not the Commanders. Hell, they don't even know what Purdy can do yet. All they know is that the team caught lightning in a bottle with Purdy at QB. He still has a 7th round skillset like where they drafted him. Was it a fluke, who knows?
This is correct
Especially given even the most hardcore of fans will admit the kid hasn't throw a ball in almost 4 years now and has extremely limited experience in the qb department. I don't know many people that can show up essentially having barely played football and play to an nfl speed and intelligence.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Darnold start.
foxco
Footballguy
Why do you keep saying this? He played less than a year ago. Agree he has very limited experience but he started the season last year.
Because it fits his narrative even if not true. Lance also started 3 games in 2021.
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The 49ers are a top 4 team according to Vegas odds anyway. They will win games even if Lance plays just OK.
They need to see what he can do over an extended period. Trading him for a “3rd rounder” before they do that would be foolish. Allen was called “garbage” early in his career. Hurts struggled early. Fields was horrible out of the gate. Let Lance play.
Of course you wouldn’t mind giving a “3rd”. Lol.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Sadly, we may never get to see it, at least not in a 49er uniform.
I agree with a few here that the 49ers can't be going through more QB growing pains, their window isn't getting any bigger, and they have a QB that proved he can handle any situation and run the offense perfectly.
Brock has to be the starter, h's earned it. And I think they'll win a SB with him at QB if he stays healthy.
Brock is great and as a fan, I want the best guy to play.
BUT, this is a perfect time to showcase Lance and see what he can do. If he plays well, trade value shoots up tremendously or he wins the starting job outright. If he plays, so-so, they start the season 4-2. Not exactly a global killer. Plus, I don’t want to see them rush Purdy back. Make sure he’s 100 percent before he steps on the field.
skol asylum
Footballguy
He's not exactly done much to earn a higher trade value. Just because SF overpaid doesn't mean the rest of the league has to take into account their sunk costs. As others have pointed out he has a very thin playing resume. He's a complete crapshoot at this point. The Niners haven't exactly shown much faith in him either by consistently putting the message out there that Mr. Irrelevant coming off a bad injury is their starter and then going and getting Darnold. Should he go for more? Maybe. But he is still gamble. Make it a conditional pick or picks then based on his success.
joey
Footballguy
This thread keeps going because this situation is so unique. Not only the part about a guy who still hasn’t shown if he can play QB at the NFL level or not, or that the franchise paid so much for a player with minimal experience….it’s all that combined with the fact that they’re a WINNING team. These kind of odd, seemingly desperate moves (paying so much for a player that is a “project”) is usually the kind of thing that desperate, doormat teams do, and when it doesn’t work out, it sinks their team for another half decade. In this case, the 9ers just seem to keep on rolling at a top team. It’s mind boggling.
I do. 4-6 games depending on how he is playing. If he plays well, his value goes way up. Worth it IMO.
He hasn’t done much but he also hasn’t had a chance to do much because of the injury last year.
I didn’t say other teams should pay more at this point but you also don’t know if they overpaid yet either. Again, young QBs, especially one drafted at age 20 need playing time to develop. The Justin Herbert immediate success is rare. But to trade him for a 3rd rounder would be stupid. Use him as a back-up this season.
joey
Footballguy
Yeah, that was kind of the point of my post above. If it were just an overpay for an unknown QB on a franchise known to be bottom of the barrel, this thread wouldn’t have as much legs imo. But it’s the fact that they keep winning despite a head scratching move that I think keeps people rehashing the topic so many times over.
Agree. He’s had 4 starts (plus the one series in the game he broke his ankle) in his career and the narrative is “he hasn’t shown anything yet”.
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
You said the same thing about Jalen Hurts....https://forums.thehuddle.com/topic/563720-trey-lance-better-late-than-never-kinda/?do=findComment&comment=4782101
This guy is the king of random knee jerk dart throws.
Enjoy.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Many, many people said that about Hurts. I would say that was the concensus.
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
Hurts, absolutely having no business in the NFL after one season of play; certainly was not the consensus of the football minded people I associate with.
A rough first year for sure....but not written off as many successful QBs struggle year 1.
If anything he was the consensus upside sleeper late QB pick going into 2022. For good reason.
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League Champion
Footballguy
Hurts skillset was never in question. He went to Alabama & Oklahoma. Lance went to BumbleFudge University and played 1 year??. They played against much different levels of competition. You can't compare
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
Lol...yesterday Hurts had no business in the NFL and today he has an unquestionable skillset.
League Champion
Footballguy
He always had the skillset, he just sucked early on.
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
I agree that he hasn't had a chance and I'm not saying that's fair for him. As a Vikings fan I'm just spit balling and saying I wouldn't mind a dart throw with him. It probably would take more than a three. I hope he succeeds. He might be Minnesota's best chance at a long term prospect if he can pan out because it's going to be hard to trade up into the very top of the draft the way Minnesota finishes year after year without tanking.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
An exception would be to trade in a DEVY league for a 2nd round pick if the DEVY draft and ROOKIE draft are combined.
The minute Lance's performance drops below what Purdy was giving them last year, they'd have a locker room revolt.
Well, then they can make a change
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm not sure I understand this logic. Why would there be a locker room revolt if Lance's performance is below Purdy's?
So if Lance throws 3 second half picks in a week 1 loss, are they going back to Purdy or are they sticking with your 4-6 week plan? I guess I'm not tracking.
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