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QB Tyrod Taylor, NYJ (1 Viewer)

The WRs are so weak.

The Jets have an excellent DL- even if they haven't been statistically, ya respect the talent. As long as the Bills are losing the initial push on every pass play, then he should be in the shotgun every pass play. 

People speak of him like they just signed him from the Ravens or as if there are a plethora of great QBs in the NFL. He has plenty of experience now and the NFL is so weak at the QB position it's like the 70s. A few years ago it was that most teams don't have a good backup. Now we're counting teams that have a poor starter. 

The Top QBs are golden like never before. In previous years, there were guys like Jeff George or Ken O'Brien or Ahmad Brooks or Jeff Blake that were by no means elite, but they could sling it and their team might have a chance against Marino, Elway, Montana etc. Now it's like "Oh you're playing Tom Brady? Enjoy your win. Aaron Rodgers? Well if the team doesn't self destruct, enjoy your win."

The best or arguably the best prospects throw for like 150 yards per week for the Bears and Browns. In what decade has that ever been acceptable?

What happened to Matt Cassel after stinking in Dallas? Well he got a prime backup job of course. Weeden followed the same exact job path. Aren't they 50? Why are they in the league? 

Did you see Bortles earlier this year? last year? We would have called him Ryan Leaf II years ago or some insult. 

Do you remember when Josh McCown and Brian Hoyer were horrible options in Cleveland? They were opening day starters

It's absolutely horrible how the QB position has downgraded so quickly.

Every Bills fan that complains of Taylor should be forced to watch Kizer and Tribusky play

 
Kwai Chang Caine said:
That was truly a masterful garbage time performance those last few minutes LOL! T-Mobile has replaced Rodgers on two of my teams. I could do worse....
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FBG needs a garbage emoji we can use in situations like that. Blake Bortles called Tyrod after the game and was like, "That's how it's DONE, son!"

By my league's scoring, Taylor doubled his point total in those final two drives (and he might have piled on even more if the Bills D had tackled McGuire on that third down run that ended up icing the game).

I picked him up to replace Palmer, and based on the schedule and addition of Benjamin, I'm generally excited about his prospects ROS. Still, I fully believe that we just saw his best game (from a fantasy perspective) of 2017.

 
zftcg said:
FBG needs a garbage emoji we can use in situations like that. Blake Bortles called Tyrod after the game and was like, "That's how it's DONE, son!"

By my league's scoring, Taylor doubled his point total in those final two drives (and he might have piled on even more if the Bills D had tackled McGuire on that third down run that ended up icing the game).

I picked him up to replace Palmer, and based on the schedule and addition of Benjamin, I'm generally excited about his prospects ROS. Still, I fully believe that we just saw his best game (from a fantasy perspective) of 2017.
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def a top 3 performance for him. i think he may have a game or 2 better though.  he went through a long drought last night.  things are looking good

 
Would be fun to see a list of the top ten fantasy garbage time performances of all time.... If McGuire didnt convert that 3rd and 9 run for a first down before the two min warning, taylor would have had 2 more minutes to score another TD.... it could have been the best garbage time performance of ALL TIME....  (would have been 3 td's in the final 7 minutes)

 
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One read QB. If it's not there he spins out. Sometimes into a sack, sometimes gets positive yardage, but it's rare when he goes through anything resembling a progression. Obviously part of that has been the lack of talent this year at WR. Hopefully he and Benjamin get on the same page quickly.

What's the prognosis on Zay Jones? Did he hurt his knee a second time after he came back in?

 
zftcg said:
Here you go.
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I'm not ashamed to admit he was one of the keys to my 2015 championship. 29 of his TDs came while the Jags were losing that year, 23 (of 35) in the second half of games - 14 in the 4th quarter. He was an early WW pickup. I can't remember who my drafted QBs were but by the end of September I was rolling with him and TT (who had some good FF games that year as well.) QB4 that year, Tyrod was like QB7 on a PPG basis - both for virtually free.

 
We all know NO has a legit secondary this year. Tyrod is fine against average defenses but can't be counted on against good D's. I Started Rivers over Ty today because he has the QB skills to give him a chance but won't hesitate too much to give Ty the nod if he has a way better matchup.

 
Ah crap.

Taylor owners: What are you doing? In a 14-team league, he was my replacement after Palmer (and Luck) got injured. Only options left on the WW are Cutler, Bortles, Fitz and Gabbert. No way I'm considering Peterman.

Shark move may be to stream best available option this week and then try to get Jimmy G for ROS.

 
zftcg said:
Ah crap.

Taylor owners: What are you doing? In a 14-team league, he was my replacement after Palmer (and Luck) got injured. Only options left on the WW are Cutler, Bortles, Fitz and Gabbert. No way I'm considering Peterman.

Shark move may be to stream best available option this week and then try to get Jimmy G for ROS.
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Cutler has a great schedule ROS and looks decent with some solid weapons.

 
Tyrod fell victim to an OC that insisted on forcing his system instead of adjusting the offense to Tyrod. There's no question that Tyrod has significant problems in some areas. But he is also elite in other areas. To force an offense that requires him to play in those areas of deficiencies much more than areas he excels is bad coaching IMO. It can be seen in other areas of the offense like forcing a blocking scheme that doesn't fit the personnel well and constantly using Tolbert in stretch runs to the outside.

Taylor is going to be a good QB for some other team next year if that team has an OC willing to adjust the offense to highlight his strengths.

 
From a fantasy perspective, what's most annoying is that he had a great schedule ROS. Maybe Peterman will emerge and take advantage of those match-ups, but I'm not holding my breath.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Tyrod fell victim to an OC that insisted on forcing his system instead of adjusting the offense to Tyrod. There's no question that Tyrod has significant problems in some areas. But he is also elite in other areas. To force an offense that requires him to play in those areas of deficiencies much more than areas he excels is bad coaching IMO. It can be seen in other areas of the offense like forcing a blocking scheme that doesn't fit the personnel well and constantly using Tolbert in stretch runs to the outside.

Taylor is going to be a good QB for some other team next year if that team has an OC willing to adjust the offense to highlight his strengths.
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He'd make a great back up in Houston. Hard to see him as more than a stop gap anywhere else.

 
beerbuff said:
He could be back as the starter by the second half.....we can hope anyway.
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No chance. Making a change like this at this point when they are in a wild card spot and have a legit chance to make the playoffs is not something you go back from. Tyrod's time as a Bill is over unless Peterman gets injured.

 
GroveDiesel said:
No chance. Making a change like this at this point when they are in a wild card spot and have a legit chance to make the playoffs is not something you go back from. Tyrod's time as a Bill is over unless Peterman gets injured.
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Anything can happen...especially if Peterman sucks. Just look @ the Browns.

 
zftcg said:
From a fantasy perspective, what's most annoying is that he had a great schedule ROS. Maybe Peterman will emerge and take advantage of those match-ups, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Yeah, it's a fantasy disaster. I went out of my way to pair him with Ben because their schdules paired so well ROS. At least I got my one 30 point game from him. 

 
beerbuff said:
He'd make a great back up in Houston. Hard to see him as more than a stop gap anywhere else.
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He has the lowest turnover percentage of any QB in history. He is the top threat of any running QB in the NFL right now. He is one of the best QB's in the league when rolled out of the pocket. He does enough things at an elite level that it would be a shame if he doesn't get a chance to start for a number of years somewhere that is willing to adjust to his strengths.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Tyrod fell victim to an OC that insisted on forcing his system instead of adjusting the offense to Tyrod. There's no question that Tyrod has significant problems in some areas. But he is also elite in other areas. To force an offense that requires him to play in those areas of deficiencies much more than areas he excels is bad coaching IMO. It can be seen in other areas of the offense like forcing a blocking scheme that doesn't fit the personnel well and constantly using Tolbert in stretch runs to the outside.

Taylor is going to be a good QB for some other team next year if that team has an OC willing to adjust the offense to highlight his strengths.
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You watch him a lot more than I do; I had him as a backup the year Bortles had his monster garbage time year (2015), and catch the Bills sporadically. My take is he's a pretty decent FF his rushing yards kind of make up for the low volume. Plus he's got a nice deep ball (unfortunately no speedsters this year to take advantage of that.) There have been stretches where he can get you a couple solid games. Zay Jones catch rate befuddles me, I'm told a lot of those were throwaways, and he has looked less lost of late.

IRL terms, he seems like a one-read QB, then spins out when he might be more effective making shorter stride moves/shuffles to extend the play as he goes through his progressions. Is that systemic and coaching? Not being snarky, like I said, you've seen him a lot more than I have.

 
Pretty shocking news. Seemed like he’d generally been decent.

i think he’ll get another shot somewhere next year in a McCown/ Hoyer type situation and could be successful.

 
BobbyLayne said:
You watch him a lot more than I do; I had him as a backup the year Bortles had his monster garbage time year (2015), and catch the Bills sporadically. My take is he's a pretty decent FF his rushing yards kind of make up for the low volume. Plus he's got a nice deep ball (unfortunately no speedsters this year to take advantage of that.) There have been stretches where he can get you a couple solid games. Zay Jones catch rate befuddles me, I'm told a lot of those were throwaways, and he has looked less lost of late.

IRL terms, he seems like a one-read QB, then spins out when he might be more effective making shorter stride moves/shuffles to extend the play as he goes through his progressions. Is that systemic and coaching? Not being snarky, like I said, you've seen him a lot more than I have.
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No question that staying in the pocket and going through progressions is a major weakness for Taylor. It's hard to know how much of that is on Taylor versus a result of a RT who played like garbage and a RG who was up and down, but it's likely mostly Tyrod with an exacerbation due to poor O-line play.  

Tyrod plays much better with a quick 3 step drop or, most comfortably, out of shotgun. Rolling him out of the pocket on designed plays often lead to success.

The thing is, coaches should be able to work with a QB who has very defined things that he is good and bad at. Anthony Lynn actually did a very good job last year playing to Tyrod's strengths. But what did Rick Dennison do? He designed an offense that operated almost exclusively under center with 7 step drops that took time to develop and contained almost no rollouts or option type plays. Like I said, we see the same nonsense with Dennison when he uses Mike freaking Tolbert on stretch plays and has McCoy standing on the sideline. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
No question that staying in the pocket and going through progressions is a major weakness for Taylor. It's hard to know how much of that is on Taylor versus a result of a RT who played like garbage and a RG who was up and down, but it's likely mostly Tyrod with an exacerbation due to poor O-line play.  

Tyrod plays much better with a quick 3 step drop or, most comfortably, out of shotgun. Rolling him out of the pocket on designed plays often lead to success.

The thing is, coaches should be able to work with a QB who has very defined things that he is good and bad at. Anthony Lynn actually did a very good job last year playing to Tyrod's strengths. But what did Rick Dennison do? He designed an offense that operated almost exclusively under center with 7 step drops that took time to develop and contained almost no rollouts or option type plays. Like I said, we see the same nonsense with Dennison when he uses Mike freaking Tolbert on stretch plays and has McCoy standing on the sideline. 
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OK, I get your frustration then. That just puts your team at a schematic disadvantage. You wonder about these guys who are so concerned about not telegraphing intent based on personnel packages that they start running plays that highlight your weaknesses. What ever happened to "this is what we do, this is who we are, if we execute the play properly we'll succeed." Way too many OCs in the NFL get cute with their play calling.

 
GroveDiesel said:
He has the lowest turnover percentage of any QB in history. He is the top threat of any running QB in the NFL right now. He is one of the best QB's in the league when rolled out of the pocket. He does enough things at an elite level that it would be a shame if he doesn't get a chance to start for a number of years somewhere that is willing to adjust to his strengths.
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When you say it that way, one has to draw a conclusion that the situation is hopeless because a player who is that good is obviously being destroyed by coaching.  So it won't matter what the Bills do; they will find a way to me it up

 
I wish nothing but karma for the Bills coaching staff and FO. All they’ve tried to do since get there is lose. Winning is all this league is about, you want losing? Well better be careful about what you ask for.

 
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