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Quarterback controvercy in Baltimore? (1 Viewer)

kilrb

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Do you think McNair will be on a shorter leash if he continues to struggle? I realize McNair is set to start this week but Billick seems to have a slight man crush for Boller. Perhaps wanting to prove that drafting him was not a mistake. Boller did play pretty well against the Jets. QB's are thin in my league (start 2, 12 teamer) so I'm always on the lookout of possible controversy. I like McNair but he has taken an awful beating over the years and may be losing it. Thoughts?

 
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Bilick wants to win first. Personally I don't think McNair's healthy and if coach Bilick thinks the same thing and sees him not playing well, of course he's going to pull him. He was pulled in the 1st game, he didn't start in the 2nd game..........the question shouldn't be if he will be pulled if he's not playing well. It's HOW doesn't he get pulled by halftime if he's not playing well, that's even better.

 
There will be no QB controversy in Baltimore as long as McNair is healthy enough to play.

There's literally not even a single bit of discussion about Boller taking over for McNair. Tony Banks had to go 3.5 games without a TD before getting yanked for Dilfer. In 2001, Grbac never got yanked for Cunningham, even though Cunningham far outplayed Elvis during the games Grbac missed with injury.

With Boller now signed for next year, maybe there's an open competition next year. But there's no question this season.

 
what happens if mcnair struggles again? i got to think there will no doubt be a controversy. there would have to be. from an outsider, mcnair hurts the team as of late. and most importantly, he cannot play from behind.

 
There will be no QB controversy in Baltimore as long as McNair is healthy enough to play.
Are you a BAL homer? i.e. are you getting this from the local press?It seems a little surprising that there would be no controversy at all. McNair is not the player he once was, Boller is decent and has improved over time, and the Ravens have SB aspirations.
 
McNair is very far from the player he used to be, and I would say he's in the bottom 1/3 of starting QB's in the league right now. He deserves to start when he's healthy because of the record he led them to last year (and I always felt his role in the 2006 season was overrated anyway) but he should be kept on a very short leash. Boller has looked good off the bench this year and last year... so if McNair continues to struggle I think Boller deserves one final chance to prove himself as Baltimore's QB.

 
I know I would feel more confident starting Heap (a must start anyway) and the Ravens' wide receivers in fantasy leagues if Boller starts over McNair in real life.

Seriously. McNair has been overrated for years.

 
Boller should be leading that team....But Billick has this f@cking undying love for McNair... i don't get get it at all... and McNair will drive you nutz; he won't pratice or be limited all week.. then on game day; he'll say hes ready to go..

The Bengals defense tore him apart (forced 5 Turnovers from McNair) and we all saw how great the Bengals defense is last week. :rolleyes:

 
Boller should be leading that team....But Billick has this f@cking undying love for McNair... i don't get get it at all... and McNair will drive you nutz; he won't pratice or be limited all week.. then on game day; he'll say hes ready to go..The Bengals defense tore him apart (forced 5 Turnovers from McNair) and we all saw how great the Bengals defense is last week. :rolleyes:
I found this funny, because here in Baltimore, the majority of the fans hate Boller, and think that Billick has an UNDYING love for HIM! THey can't understand why he is still around.In Baltimore, if it's a good player we have, it's because of Ozzie. If it's a bust, it's because of Billick.
 
I found this funny, because here in Baltimore, the majority of the fans hate Boller, and think that Billick has an UNDYING love for HIM! THey can't understand why he is still around.In Baltimore, if it's a good player we have, it's because of Ozzie. If it's a bust, it's because of Billick.
thank for the :thumbdown: view... even after the 1st 2 games; the fans want more of McNair???
 
McNair is one of the most overrated QBs ever. He had three good years. Boller is a better QB than McNair. We might have to wait a few weeks for it all to play out, but Boller will be the starting QB in Baltimore by the end of the year.

 
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The homer view is that Boller is a super hyper mistake prone QB who you can't win the big game with. The homer view is that sooner or later, Boller will stumble, bumble, fumble his way into failure.

Boller is viewed as Billick's boy. As I wrote earlier, on the local talk shows, if a player is a good pickup it's because of Ozzie, and if they are a bust, it's all Billick.

McNair is viewed as a calming presence for the offense. McNair isn't going to put up big numbers, but there were several games last year that "we" won that we wouldn't have without him -- Tennessee, Cleveland, etc.

Personally, I root for Boller to do well simply because he is so hated. And he is tough, both mentally and physically. To this non-educated observer, it doesn't always seem that he has a great feel for the game. He also has issues with accuracy. He has gotten much better over the last few years, and I do thing sitting and watching has helped him.

It's interesting that the Ravens resigned him to a 1 year deal and made no efforts at signing Culpepper/Leftwich. They (meaning Ozzie) must have some faith in him, as they had every opportunity to cut their losses.

I think the National view of McNair is based off the horrible playoff loss to the Colts, and MNF vs Cincy. He hurt his groin early on in that game and most of his passes were high and off the mark. It will be interesting to see how he looks in the coming weeks.

It seems like the Ravens want to go to a more wide open attack with three wides, but IMHO, it would be more like the Run and Dink, as McNair doesn't have the arm to get it downfield in on a consistant basis.

I do not think McNair losses the job this year unless the season totally goes into the toliet. I DO have my doubts that he will last the season physically.

 
McNair had the highest completion percentage of his career last year and is supposedly much more comfortable with the offense this year. He is the unquestioned leader of the offense. There is no way McNair will be benched this season. I just hope the Cincy game was due to his injury, and not an indication of what's to come.

 
I found this funny, because here in Baltimore, the majority of the fans hate Boller, and think that Billick has an UNDYING love for HIM! THey can't understand why he is still around.
Yeah, that's pretty much the truth. I don't think McNair has any shot of being yanked in favor of Boller unless McNair is too hurt to play. And of course you never find out if he's too hurt to play until an hour before gametime...............
 
Both Bert & the Man have pretty much summed up what the local feel is on this. I'm actually surprised that muck-raking Mike Preston (columnist with the Sun) hasn't tried to start a QB controversy as he'll take any contrarian stance against the Ravens (& Billick in particular).

I truly believe most of McNair's troubles against Cincy were because of the groin. He couldn't step into his throws & made Dan Marino look like Carl Lewis in his inability to get out of harm's way.

Boller's problems (& I defended him longer than most) were/are twofold: he's too hyper (fixable, maybe, as he looks a little more composed nowadays) and he doesn't appear to be a "natural" QB (unfixable in any long-term way IMO) - great athlete, yes. But he just never looks right out there.

 
McNair had the highest completion percentage of his career last year and is supposedly much more comfortable with the offense this year. He is the unquestioned leader of the offense. There is no way McNair will be benched this season. I just hope the Cincy game was due to his injury, and not an indication of what's to come.
Did you see the Week 1 game????
 
McNair had the highest completion percentage of his career last year and is supposedly much more comfortable with the offense this year. He is the unquestioned leader of the offense. There is no way McNair will be benched this season. I just hope the Cincy game was due to his injury, and not an indication of what's to come.
Did you see the Week 1 game????
Did you see that he got injured early in the game? Before that (which series? 2nd?) his throws looked ok; afterwards he couldn't throw it in the ocean, nor could he get away from pressure.
 
The_Man said:
McNair had the highest completion percentage of his career last year
To me, this is irrelevant.If it was his best completion percentage by 4-5 percent, we'd be saying something. Since it's just 1.7% off his seventh highest completion percentage of his career, can we just call it within the margin of error?

 
There will be no QB controversy in Baltimore as long as McNair is healthy enough to play.
Are you a BAL homer? i.e. are you getting this from the local press?It seems a little surprising that there would be no controversy at all. McNair is not the player he once was, Boller is decent and has improved over time, and the Ravens have SB aspirations.
I am and I agree that there is absolutely NO QB controversy.Boller came to Balt. with high expectations from everyone in town. He was the new "pretty boy" QB who could throw a football through the uprights from 5o yds away, on 1 knee. Billick was finally going to prove he could groom a QB. It took a while but they (management) finally realized the experiment failed.Boller has never been a consistant QB. He under throws his receivers, makes bad decisions and throws more picks than TD's. HE HAS HAD 1 GOOD GAME against the jets for crying out loud. No one, and I mean no one who knows anything about footballin Baltimore would say that there could be a controversy. Boller has disappointed since he got here and will always be a backup. IMO this will be McNairs last year and the Ravens will go out next year and get someone new and Boller will continue to be a backup.
 
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HE HAS HAD 1 GOOD GAME against the jets for crying out loud. No one, and I mean no one who knows anything about footballin Baltimore would say that there could be a controversy.
Actually, Boller's last 16 games are better than McNair's last 16.But I agree that McNair is the starter unless injured.
 
OK, so what happens next year? Boller?...ordo the homers think Troy Smith's the answer?
The McNabb drumbeat has already begun around here.That would be fine with me -- have McNabb for 2-3 years with Boller as the backup, and grab a first-rounder in this year's QB-rich draft to take over after McNabb.Troy Smith is a fifth-rounder and future back-up material.
 
OK, so what happens next year? Boller?...ordo the homers think Troy Smith's the answer?
Not Boller, not McNair, not Troy Smith.I see Billick trying to go after a free agent. Next years notable free agents:BulgerRomoMcNownGrossmanKnowing Billicks track record he will probably go after and sign Grossman (pure speculation) and he will stink.
 
As I wrote earlier, on the local talk shows, if a player is a good pickup it's because of Ozzie, and if they are a bust, it's all Billick.
I see Billick trying to go after a free agent. Next years notable free agents:

Bulger

Romo

McNown

Grossman

Knowing Billicks track record he will probably go after and sign Grossman (pure speculation) and he will stink.
:mellow: :rant:
 
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OK, so what happens next year? Boller?...ordo the homers think Troy Smith's the answer?
Not Boller, not McNair, not Troy Smith.I see Billick trying to go after a free agent. Next years notable free agents:BulgerRomoMcNownGrossmanKnowing Billicks track record he will probably go after and sign Grossman (pure speculation) and he will stink.
Might as well take Romo off that list unless he has a complete melt down. Jerry Jones will pony up and he probably won't look elsewhere. If he does I suspect they slap the franchise tag on him.
 
As I wrote earlier, on the local talk shows, if a player is a good pickup it's because of Ozzie, and if they are a bust, it's all Billick.
I see Billick trying to go after a free agent. Next years notable free agents:

Bulger

Romo

McNown

Grossman

Knowing Billicks track record he will probably go after and sign Grossman (pure speculation) and he will stink.
:popcorn: :banned:
I couldn't have written this better if I tried!
 
As I wrote earlier, on the local talk shows, if a player is a good pickup it's because of Ozzie, and if they are a bust, it's all Billick.
I see Billick trying to go after a free agent. Next years notable free agents:

Bulger

Romo

McNown

Grossman

Knowing Billicks track record he will probably go after and sign Grossman (pure speculation) and he will stink.
:blackdot: :thumbup:
Whats so funny??Of the others (Romo), Grossman is probably the only one they can afford. Romo will resign with the Boyz before the season ends and I wasn't aware of Bulger, sorry!

 
As I wrote earlier, on the local talk shows, if a player is a good pickup it's because of Ozzie, and if they are a bust, it's all Billick.
I see Billick trying to go after a free agent. Next years notable free agents:

Bulger

Romo

McNown

Grossman

Knowing Billicks track record he will probably go after and sign Grossman (pure speculation) and he will stink.
:lmao: :cry:
Whats so funny??
Nothing personal. Just thought it was funny the way you backed up Bert Jones' point (which I totally agree with) that Billick gets all the blame for bad players, even though Ozzie is ultimately responsible for all personnel decisions.
 

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