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Maybe go to a lotto for draft picks of non-playoff teams would help.
Too much of a pain in the ###. You would need another get together to pull this off and one scheduled enough in advance to allow for trading of picks.
In Champagne Classic (I'm not the commish), we use one of the state lotterys for this. Each non-playoff team gets a day's drawing, with the highest number winning the top pick. You could also use www.irony.com dice roll site to accomplish the same thing. With irony.com you can also send dice roll results to an alternate email address as well as you own, so it works pretty well.
Good point...I was assuming a NBA weighted style lotterey which is supported by irony.
The problem with the part of your post that I bolded is that a commish cannot dictate what is a good play and what isn't. Maybe a lesser player has a better matchup than the stud player he is benching. Who are we to say what is right and wrong?Also, a straight lotto is not good for dynasty leagues because we want the really bad teams to have the higher picks, so giving the #6 non-playoff team an equal chance as the #1 non-playoff team just isn't right. I do like the weighted lotto (see NBA) however. Can you guys enlighten me on a sight that does this?
I've commished leagues forever, and what you say is good and all, but it takes more than that. You need a solid system. I'm leaning toward the weighted lotto system for non-playoff teams if I can get a site to provide this service.
It's easy. Assign each team a range of numbers, weighted by suckiness. Do a die roll on irony.com that covers your range - if it's 100 numbers roll a d100. Then remove the range that was succesful, and roll for second spot with a lower die.
I'm not that smart, you lost me. Be specific with every step.
Nevermind, I believe I understand what you are saying. edited to say I just quoted myself, lol.
What would you assign each team, starting with the best non-playoff team, going to the worst team? Give an example.
Isn't that a dictatorship? Just maybe an owner feels that Cotchery will score more points than Wayne that week based upon matchups. You can't do that s--t. You have to have a system in place that makes the non-playoff teams want to win, and that also goes beyond wanting to win their entry fee back, especially in dynasty leagues. It's about the draft picks in dynasty leagues, especially for serious players.
Mostly what you said applies to redraft leagues. In dynasty leagues draft picks play a bigger role than just winning some cash for the current season. You have to have a system in play that deals with this.
Your first sentence is so vague. You haven't addressed the "subtle" tank at all. You just made a statement that makes no sense for dynasty leagues. Not to be harsh on you, but.....
A strong case could be made for starting Kitna over Palmer. It is a fine line but if it is subtle enough there isnt much you can, or should, do about it.
If someone forced me to change my line-up I would allow them to draft my team for me next year, and by that I mean I would quit.
That is obvious. The question is how to deal with those doing it for the purpose of losing games. The answer might lie in the weighted lotto for non-playoff teams or the toliet bowl concept, but only for the order of the top 6 picks, not just getting the entry fee back.
....which strenghtens my point for this thread. However, it is easy to throw games without making it obvious.
Kitna is putting up better numbers than Palmer and the same with Reggie Brown and Wayne. Rudi vs Car is a better than Jordan against AZ? and your right about Lundy!Its hard to say what is a better lineup than the other, but as long as the players they are using are the players they used all season, its hard to prove. I have a simular situation where a guy had Rod Smith in his lineup instead of R. Wayne and it was pointed out by another owner. Of course he also had him in last week covering a bye week, so he may not have changed his lineup yet for this week. He is 0-6 and if that is he lineup I will say something to him and give him a chance to justify his lineup. If he can't, well here is our rules. This is a Keep 10 League.• Your starting lineup must contain active players for the week. If a player is hurt or on bye week you must make the necessary roster adjustments to see you field active players. • If a player is injured or on bye, you are still responsible for making sure you have a replacement player in your lineup. Failure to do so will result in the player in your lineup that is either injured or on bye to be cut by the Commish (unless you have a replacement player on the bench) and a player will be picked up and inserted into your lineup in the players place. Player picked up will be the best available player at their position. Player cut will not be eligible to be bid on by the team it was cut from during the next free agency period. If player makes it through the free agent bidding process he will then be eligible to be picked up during the first come, first serve period of free agency. Second offense will result in the lose of your third rd pick the following year and every offense after that will result in the lose of draft picks 1 rd earlier until you have no 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks left. • Once a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs it must continue to put in its best line-up (players that you have used throughout the season). Dumping games for better draft picks next year will not be tolerated. If a team is thought to be dumping, the Commish has the right to change your line-up. If your not happy with my line-up decision that will be too bad. Anyone who changes it from what I change it to will have their first pick (not 1st round, but first pick no matter what round it may be in) taken away from them in the upcoming year’s draft.JohnnyU said:
But if you were tanking.j3r3m3y said:JohnnyU said:
Don't let the door hit ya!It sounds like the problem is the order in which you give the picks.What leagues should do is give the #1 draft pick to the team not making the playoffs who has the highest total points (or best record) - so if for instance you have a twelve team league and four teams make the playoffs (three division winners and wild card), the the order for the draft the following year (rookie or regular or both) would be:1st pick = 5th2nd pick = 6th3rd pick =7th4th pick = 8th5th pick = 9th6th pick = 10th7th pick = 11th8th pick = 12th9th pick = 4th10th pick = 3rd11th pick = 2nd12th pick = 1st placeNOW you have all teams fighting for as many points as possible all year long - they need to and want to put in their best lineups to get a better draft slot.JohnnyU said:
What I don't like about that sytem is the draft is the best rebuilding tool (future studs) for teams that are weak. If you put the playoff bubble teams at 1 and 2 every year the teams that are bad annually will stay that way.
How does this strengthen your point? You're willing to crap on someone in your league because he's starting a player averaging .4 more then someone you would start?Just because your cheatsheets say Wayne or Palmer or whoever is the better play does not make it the right play nor does it mean someone not starting them is planning to tank. It's time to put away the
I'm not saying to dictate who should start, I'm just saying that a system needs to be in place that encourages owners to start their best players each week. Are you saying that a team should be able to bench LT2 in favor of Lundy? when it's obvous they are throwing games to better their draft position. Obvoiusly you can't have a system that tells someone who to start, but you can have a system that makes throwing games useless.How does this strengthen your point? You're willing to crap on someone in your league because he's starting a player averaging .4 more then someone you would start?Just because your cheatsheets say Wayne or Palmer or whoever is the better play does not make it the right play nor does it mean someone not starting them is planning to tank. It's time to put away the
I need to raise this question with my dynasty league this coming off-season. We have an owner who's openly stated his goal is get the #1 rookie pick next year. Our league rules don't address 'tanking' because we felt with the group of owners in the league, it wouldn't be an issue. However this particular owner was going to start TGreen a couple weeks ago when his other QB was on bye. I let him know I had a QB available for a reasonable trade if interested. The reply I got was "well you know I'm playing for the #1 pick next year".I think he felt a little guilty as the weekend got closer and he did make a waiver pick up. Still, I'd like to see a written rule in place to prevent tanking.JohnnyU said:
Two words: Potential Points. Keep track of both actual points scored by starters, and the points that would have been scored by the best possible lineup each week. Use PP to set your worst-to-first sequences for draft, WW, etc. The only way to tank is to remove good players from your team, which is counter-productive in dynasty.The potential point rankings more accurately reflect the strength of the team, and in a worst-to-first draft, that's what you're looking for, right?JohnnyU said:
I was just going to say this. I first heard of it in the pinned thread on rules leagues should consider, and I love the idea in dynasty. As heckmanm says, if they just go cutting their good players entirely they may be taking a bigger step back than the first pick helps them move forward.My dynasty league uses a combination of regular season finish and consolation bracket finish. But I think next year I'm going to switch that to potential points instead of regular season.
I don't find that fair at all because in a league with large rosters an owner can be trying to put their best lineup in every week but lose even though they have a strong roster. Those owners shouldn't be punished for putting together a good team and getting hit with some bad luck.
I'm not sure I like the potential points thing either. See cstu's post.
You asked about subtle tanking. There is nothing subtle about benching a starting RB for a guy getting a handful of carries in your example above, so do not put words in my mouth.You also didn't explain how the above strengthened your point.I'm not saying to dictate who should start, I'm just saying that a system needs to be in place that encourages owners to start their best players each week. Are you saying that a team should be able to bench LT2 in favor of Lundy? when it's obvous they are throwing games to better their draft position. Obvoiusly you can't have a system that tells someone who to start, but you can have a system that makes throwing games useless.How does this strengthen your point? You're willing to crap on someone in your league because he's starting a player averaging .4 more then someone you would start?Just because your cheatsheets say Wayne or Palmer or whoever is the better play does not make it the right play nor does it mean someone not starting them is planning to tank. It's time to put away the
