Question for harry scotsman and other Young Fans (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

I see the average QB getting the .

Serious questions for you:

#1. Is Young the Week 1 starter?

Assuming he is the starter in week 1:

#2. Where do you think Vince Young finish up this year in the fantasy rankings among QBs?

#3. What kind of numbers do you think he'll post?

J

 

[LHUCKS]

Good questions Joe.

I would like to see all the VY backers actually put something down on paper in terms of when this guy is actually going to be a servicable NFL QB.

 

[Jason Wood]

Hey Joe,

I don't think there's any question he won't be the Week One starter. McNair will be if they can somehow repair a fractured relationship or, more likely, Bill Volek will keep the seat warm.

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.

 

[P Boy]

Hey Joe,

I don't think there's any question he won't be the Week One starter. McNair will be if they can somehow repair a fractured relationship or, more likely, Bill Volek will keep the seat warm.

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.



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Volek has shown to be a capable starting pro QB - or at least the potential to be - and the McNair situation is still very much up in the air.

It takes QBs 3-5 years to really get through the greatest protion of their learning curve in the pros, so it would surprise me greatly if Young does anything meaningful this season. That wouldn't make him a crappy QB.

Which of Leinart/Young/Cutler will be the best pro QB will probably take at least 4-5 years to answer.

 

[LHUCKS]

Which of Leinart/Young/Cutler will be the best pro QB will probably take at least 4-5 years to answer.

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After 2007 it will be painfully obvious that Leinart is the cream of this crop.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.

That sounds correct to me.It's still early, but from the little I've read, it sounds to me like Volek probably starts the season while Young watches and learns. That's a good thing, IMHO. Frankly, I'd rather see him sit his entire first year, as I would with any rookie qb. I've always been consistent on that.As far as numbers go, I'm terrible at projections. Sorry. That's what you guys are for.

I would like to see all the VY backers actually put something down on paper in terms of when this guy is actually going to be a servicable NFL QB.

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hey Joe,

I don't think there's any question he won't be the Week One starter. McNair will be if they can somehow repair a fractured relationship or, more likely, Bill Volek will keep the seat warm.

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.



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I can see that Jason. Although I can easily see the other side. If he lights up camp, he may get the nod. All depends on his summer. But for this thread, I'll let them answer #2 and #3 then where they can assume he's the week 1 guy. I really want to get a feel for where these guy see Young finishing if he was able to start the whole year.

J

 

[LHUCKS]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Hey Joe,

I don't think there's any question he won't be the Week One starter. McNair will be if they can somehow repair a fractured relationship or, more likely, Bill Volek will keep the seat warm.

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.



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Volek has shown to be a capable starting pro QB - or at least the potential to be - and the McNair situation is still very much up in the air.

It takes QBs 3-5 years to really get through the greatest protion of their learning curve in the pros, so it would surprise me greatly if Young does anything meaningful this season. That wouldn't make him a crappy QB.

Which of Leinart/Young/Cutler will be the best pro QB will probably take at least 4-5 years to answer.

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The voice of reason...and...

After 2007 it will be painfully obvious that Leinart is the cream of this crop.

...not so much.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Sure there is. Every highly touted guy gets this question.What do you think he'd produce this year if he's the week 1 starter and started every game? In other words, how good is he right now?

J

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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So then, you've been this irritating about every highly drafted, highly touted qb?It seems you have an axe to grind with Young.

 

[Joe Bryant]

To add, this is an extremely straight forward question with an extremely straightforward answer.

If Young is named the week 1 starter, where does he finish up in fantasy points rank among all QBs?

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

It seems you have an axe to grind with Young.

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I don't and I don't think LHucks does either.What I'd like to get a grip on is how good you really think he'll be this year?

J

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Sure there is. Every highly touted guy gets this question.What do you think he'd produce this year if he's the week 1 starter and started every game? In other words, how good is he right now?

J

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I think he, like most rookies, would struggle as the week 1 starter, with the notable exception that his wheels would get him out of some trouble that other rookie qbs would not get out of.As far as numbers go, I've already said I'm not a projections guy.

What's the big mystery here?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Sure there is. Every highly touted guy gets this question.What do you think he'd produce this year if he's the week 1 starter and started every game? In other words, how good is he right now?

J

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I think he, like most rookies, would struggle as the week 1 starter, with the notable exception that his wheels would get him out of some trouble that other rookie qbs would not get out of.As far as numbers go, I've already said I'm not a projections guy.

What's the big mystery here?

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Not a mystery, just trying to see how good you really think he'll be.Let's make it easier: If he's the Week 1 starter, do you think he'll finish better or worse than #15 in the league among QBs?

J

 

[Rovers]

If Cutler started for Denver, I'd say 2700, 23 and 14. not so hard to do.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

To add, this is an extremely straight forward question with an extremely straightforward answer.

If Young is named the week 1 starter, where does he finish up in fantasy points rank among all QBs?

J

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Again, and this is an extremely straightforward answer, I'm terrible at projections, so I really have no idea. What I can say is that I think he'd get better almost every week, maybe not in terms of ff production, but in terms of real football, which is what the Titans drafted him for.

 

[Banger]

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.

That sounds correct to me.It's still early, but from the little I've read, it sounds to me like Volek probably starts the season while Young watches and learns. That's a good thing, IMHO. Frankly, I'd rather see him sit his entire first year, as I would with any rookie qb. I've always been consistent on that.

As far as numbers go, I'm terrible at projections. Sorry. That's what you guys are for.

I would like to see all the VY backers actually put something down on paper in terms of when this guy is actually going to be a servicable NFL QB.

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?
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This is the most basic question asked of every rookie qb, Vick, both Mannings, Alex Smith, etc. When a guy is paid approx $20 mill guaranteed, teams, fans, etc. like to see a return on investment.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Sure there is. Every highly touted guy gets this question.What do you think he'd produce this year if he's the week 1 starter and started every game? In other words, how good is he right now?

J

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I think he, like most rookies, would struggle as the week 1 starter, with the notable exception that his wheels would get him out of some trouble that other rookie qbs would not get out of.As far as numbers go, I've already said I'm not a projections guy.

What's the big mystery here?

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Not a mystery, just trying to see how good you really think he'll be.Let's make it easier: If he's the Week 1 starter, do you think he'll finish better or worse than #15 in the league among QBs?

J

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Better.

 

[LHUCKS]

It seems you have an axe to grind with Young.

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I don't and I don't think LHucks does either.What I'd like to get a grip on is how good you really think he'll be this year?

J

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Yep, I don't have anything against VY either. I think he's a good kid that has turned his life around and think he'll be a great role model for the youth. But what Joe is asking is on point with where I'd like to see the discussion go. When, if ever, do you think VY will be a good QB?

I think there's an excellent chance he'll be the next Tim Couch.

 

[Banger]

If Cutler started for Denver, I'd say 2700, 23 and 14. not so hard to do.

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I'd probably flip the 23 and 14.

 

[Joe Bryant]

To add, this is an extremely straight forward question with an extremely straightforward answer.

If Young is named the week 1 starter, where does he finish up in fantasy points rank among all QBs?

J

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Again, and this is an extremely straightforward answer, I'm terrible at projections, so I really have no idea. What I can say is that I think he'd get better almost every week, maybe not in terms of ff production, but in terms of real football, which is what the Titans drafted him for.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So you have no idea where he'd rank? Do you think he'll be average (around #16) this year?

J

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.

That sounds correct to me.It's still early, but from the little I've read, it sounds to me like Volek probably starts the season while Young watches and learns. That's a good thing, IMHO. Frankly, I'd rather see him sit his entire first year, as I would with any rookie qb. I've always been consistent on that.

As far as numbers go, I'm terrible at projections. Sorry. That's what you guys are for.

I would like to see all the VY backers actually put something down on paper in terms of when this guy is actually going to be a servicable NFL QB.

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is the most basic question asked of every rookie qb, Vick, both Mannings, Alex Smith, etc. When a guy is paid approx $20 mill guaranteed, teams, fans, etc. like to see a return on investment.
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Fine. I think he can start and do OK. I think he'd do a lot better if he sat for a while. I think the same for Leinart and Cutler, for the record, but I don't hear anyone asking the same question of them.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

To add, this is an extremely straight forward question with an extremely straightforward answer.

If Young is named the week 1 starter, where does he finish up in fantasy points rank among all QBs?

J

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Again, and this is an extremely straightforward answer, I'm terrible at projections, so I really have no idea. What I can say is that I think he'd get better almost every week, maybe not in terms of ff production, but in terms of real football, which is what the Titans drafted him for.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So you have no idea where he'd rank? Do you think he'll be average (around #16) this year?

J

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Dude, I already said better than 15th.

 

[Big Score]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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Wasn't Carson Palmer the #1 overall in 2003? Didn't he sit his 1st year? Doesn't recent history & their handling of McNair (drafted #3 overall in 1995), suggest that the Titans will bring Young along the same?

Or are you just asking this question because of what some members on this board seem to think?

 

[Banger]

Assuming McNair is gone, I believe the Titans would ideally keep Vince Young as the backup throughout 2006. That would imply Billy Volek plays well enough for the Titans to be competitive. If Volek struggles or the Titans are well removed from playoff contention at some point in the 2nd half of the season, I can see Young getting a baptism by fire with an eye toward his taking over the reins permanently in 2007.

That sounds correct to me.It's still early, but from the little I've read, it sounds to me like Volek probably starts the season while Young watches and learns. That's a good thing, IMHO. Frankly, I'd rather see him sit his entire first year, as I would with any rookie qb. I've always been consistent on that.

As far as numbers go, I'm terrible at projections. Sorry. That's what you guys are for.

I would like to see all the VY backers actually put something down on paper in terms of when this guy is actually going to be a servicable NFL QB.

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is the most basic question asked of every rookie qb, Vick, both Mannings, Alex Smith, etc. When a guy is paid approx $20 mill guaranteed, teams, fans, etc. like to see a return on investment.
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Fine. I think he can start and do OK. I think he'd do a lot better if he sat for a while. I think the same for Leinart and Cutler, for the record, but I don't hear anyone asking the same question of them.
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It comes with the territory when you are the #1 qb drafted and go #3 o/a. He's got a lot of pressure on him and deservedly so for the cash being given to him....

 

[Joe Bryant]

To add, this is an extremely straight forward question with an extremely straightforward answer.

If Young is named the week 1 starter, where does he finish up in fantasy points rank among all QBs?

J

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Again, and this is an extremely straightforward answer, I'm terrible at projections, so I really have no idea. What I can say is that I think he'd get better almost every week, maybe not in terms of ff production, but in terms of real football, which is what the Titans drafted him for.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So you have no idea where he'd rank? Do you think he'll be average (around #16) this year?

J

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Dude, I already said better than 15th.
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Cool. Now we're getting somewhere. Do you think he'll be top 10?

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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Wasn't Carson Palmer the #1 overall in 2003? Didn't he sit his 1st year? Doesn't recent history & their handling of McNair (drafted #3 overall in 1995), suggest that the Titans will bring Young along the same?

Or are you just asking this question because of what some members on this board seem to think?

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Hi Big Score,Given what the Titans look to be doing with McNair, I think this might be more like a Peyton Manning situation than Palmer or McNair.

Nobody really knows for sure. I'm just asking for the point of discussing.

J

 

[the hairy scotsman]

To add, this is an extremely straight forward question with an extremely straightforward answer.

If Young is named the week 1 starter, where does he finish up in fantasy points rank among all QBs?

J

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Again, and this is an extremely straightforward answer, I'm terrible at projections, so I really have no idea. What I can say is that I think he'd get better almost every week, maybe not in terms of ff production, but in terms of real football, which is what the Titans drafted him for.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So you have no idea where he'd rank? Do you think he'll be average (around #16) this year?

J

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Dude, I already said better than 15th.
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Cool. Now we're getting somewhere. Do you think he'll be top 10?

J

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Rookie year?Doubt it...but you never know.

 

[Jason Wood]

If Cutler started for Denver, I'd say 2700, 23 and 14. not so hard to do.

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Not to hijack but in the history of the league, exactly one rookie, Peyton Manning, threw that many TDs (26). He also happened to lead the league in INTs that season (28).Only three other rookie QBs have thrown for 20 TDs in their first year:

[*]Jim Kelly -- 22 TDs, 17 Ints

[*]Charlie Conerly -- 22 TDs, 13 Ints

[*]Dan Marino -- 20 TDs, 6 Ints

 

[JAA]

Doubt he plays unless the team loses 5 outta the 7 first games.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

If Cutler started for Denver, I'd say 2700, 23 and 14. not so hard to do.

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Not to hijack but in the history of the league, exactly one rookie, Peyton Manning, threw that many TDs (26). He also happened to lead the league in INTs that season (28).Only three other rookie QBs have thrown for 20 TDs in their first year:

[*]Jim Kelly -- 22 TDs, 17 Ints

[*]Charlie Conerly -- 22 TDs, 13 Ints

[*]Dan Marino -- 20 TDs, 6 Ints

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[LHUCKS]

I would actually like to see where Young supporters think he'll finish in 2007, his likely first year as the starter?

 

[Big Score]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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Wasn't Carson Palmer the #1 overall in 2003? Didn't he sit his 1st year? Doesn't recent history & their handling of McNair (drafted #3 overall in 1995), suggest that the Titans will bring Young along the same?

Or are you just asking this question because of what some members on this board seem to think?

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Hi Big Score,Given what the Titans look to be doing with McNair, I think this might be more like a Peyton Manning situation than Palmer or McNair.

Nobody really knows for sure. I'm just asking for the point of discussing.

J

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Not so sure about that J. What's going on with McNair is all about the

Titans aren't going to pay that kind of coin for McNair to babysit 1 year. I hear McNair will restructure, but only if it's a 3+ year starters deal. Titans aren't going to do that either.

McNair doesn't factor here IMO.

I'd say Volek is on about the same talent plane as Chandler & Kitna.

I expect Tenn to have Young sit and learn for a year at least, while Volek holds down the fort.

Exactly like Chandler / McNair or Kitna / Palmer

 

[Joe Bryant]

To add, this is an extremely straight forward question with an extremely straightforward answer.

If Young is named the week 1 starter, where does he finish up in fantasy points rank among all QBs?

J

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Again, and this is an extremely straightforward answer, I'm terrible at projections, so I really have no idea. What I can say is that I think he'd get better almost every week, maybe not in terms of ff production, but in terms of real football, which is what the Titans drafted him for.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So you have no idea where he'd rank? Do you think he'll be average (around #16) this year?

J

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Dude, I already said better than 15th.
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Cool. Now we're getting somewhere. Do you think he'll be top 10?

J

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Rookie year?Doubt it...but you never know.

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Ok, so you'd expect to finish between #15 and #10 if he's able to earn the job in week 1. That's cool. Just trying to see where you saw him.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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Wasn't Carson Palmer the #1 overall in 2003? Didn't he sit his 1st year? Doesn't recent history & their handling of McNair (drafted #3 overall in 1995), suggest that the Titans will bring Young along the same?

Or are you just asking this question because of what some members on this board seem to think?

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Hi Big Score,Given what the Titans look to be doing with McNair, I think this might be more like a Peyton Manning situation than Palmer or McNair.

Nobody really knows for sure. I'm just asking for the point of discussing.

J

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Not so sure about that J. What's going on with McNair is all about the

Titans aren't going to pay that kind of coin for McNair to babysit 1 year. I hear McNair will restructure, but only if it's a 3+ year starters deal. Titans aren't going to do that either.

McNair doesn't factor here IMO.

I'd say Volek is on about the same talent plane as Chandler & Kitna.

I expect Tenn to have Young sit and learn for a year at least, while Volek holds down the fort.

Exactly like Chandler / McNair or Kitna / Palmer

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That's what I'm saying BS. When I say "what they're doing with McNair" I mean moving him out.J

 

[Big Score]

I would actually like to see where Young supporters think he'll finish in 2007, his likely first year as the starter?

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Now that's a more realistic question IMO.Still hard to project, as until this season ends, we're not exactly sure of his supporting cast.

Do the Titan WR's progress?

Does L. White prove to be THE back for Tenn and supplant Brown?

Still, trying to answer.

I think a good way to project 2007 for Young, is to look at Vick's 1st starting season. Not the rushing, but the passing.

Both are supposedly not the sharpest tools in the shed. Both came from a very simplified offense.

So, if you pinned me against the wall with electrodes under my fingernails;

Roughly:

3,000 yds passing - 18 TD's - 12 picks - Completion % in the high 50's - Rushing around 500 to 600 yds - 5 TD's.

My

 

[Big Score]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wasn't Carson Palmer the #1 overall in 2003? Didn't he sit his 1st year? Doesn't recent history & their handling of McNair (drafted #3 overall in 1995), suggest that the Titans will bring Young along the same?

Or are you just asking this question because of what some members on this board seem to think?

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Hi Big Score,Given what the Titans look to be doing with McNair, I think this might be more like a Peyton Manning situation than Palmer or McNair.

Nobody really knows for sure. I'm just asking for the point of discussing.

J

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Not so sure about that J. What's going on with McNair is all about the

Titans aren't going to pay that kind of coin for McNair to babysit 1 year. I hear McNair will restructure, but only if it's a 3+ year starters deal. Titans aren't going to do that either.

McNair doesn't factor here IMO.

I'd say Volek is on about the same talent plane as Chandler & Kitna.

I expect Tenn to have Young sit and learn for a year at least, while Volek holds down the fort.

Exactly like Chandler / McNair or Kitna / Palmer

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That's what I'm saying BS. When I say "what they're doing with McNair" I mean moving him out.J

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Right J.Which is why I said;

"I'd say Volek is on about the same talent plane as Chandler & Kitna.

I expect Tenn to have Young sit and learn for a year at least, while Volek holds down the fort.

Exactly like Chandler / McNair or Kitna / Palmer"

 

[LHUCKS]

3,000 yds passing - 18 TD's - 12 picks - Completion % in the high 50's - Rushing around 500 to 600 yds - 5 TD's.

My 

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I would take the over on INTs and the under on completion percentage...everything else I may agree with if he stayed healthy.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I am a Young backer.

If Young started 16 games, I think they'd lean heavily on the running game and Young's numbers would be somewhere around

Pass: 2500/14/14

Rush: 600/6

Which, conicidentally, is almost identical to Michael Vick's numbers - after six years in the league.

 

[Big Score]

3,000 yds passing - 18 TD's - 12 picks - Completion % in the high 50's - Rushing around 500 to 600 yds - 5 TD's.

My 

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I would take the over on INTs and the under on completion percentage...everything else I may agree with if he stayed healthy.
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When I said the "Completion % in the high 50's", I'm saying anything over 55% but less than 60%.Where it actually falls will have a lot to do with the progress of the Tenn WR's. Apart from Bennett, they've got a lot of young - read green guys there.

You could well be right betting the over on the INTs.

 

[boubucarow]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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Staubach had very little game experience until his third year in the league. He made the pro bowl and then missed most of his next year in the league. Nobody truly knew what Staubach truly was until his fifth season when he showed his pro bowl season was no fluke.So we won't know until 2008 if Young is the next Roger Staubach. I have major questions about Young but it would not surprise me if he had a pro bowl season in 2008. If he gets the time and patience that Staubach received, I believe he will be an upper echelon QB if not a complete superstar.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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I'm not sure what you're saying, but there wasn't the same urgency for Carson Palmer and he went #1 overall.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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I'm not sure what you're saying, but there wasn't the same urgency for Carson Palmer and he went #1 overall.
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Exactly. I remember in discussions here about Palmer that it wasn't a given that he'd start at all his first year, much less start the season, and most people didn't really expect him to.

 

[LHUCKS]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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I'm not sure what you're saying, but there wasn't the same urgency for Carson Palmer and he went #1 overall.
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But Palmer was the unanimous #1 QB across the board...everybody believed he would be successful at some point. VY on the other hand has just as many skeptics as supporters among NFL scouts and talent evaluators...and is considered by many a reach at #3 overall.

 

[2112]

First off, I see very little chance of Young starting this season. As mentioned above, McNir & Volek are more than capable starters and mentors. And while 2007 + is a more realistic question, Joe's question involved the assumption: IF he started all of 2006. So let's play "fantasy football" and see.

Given Joe's assumption, we know that any starting rookie QB will improve week-by-week; so in that regard I see an average per game of about:

passing 180 - 1.25 - 1 ints

rushing 40 - .25 - .5 fumbles

Over the [SIZE=14pt]2006 season[/SIZE], that'd be 2,880 - 20 - 16 // 640 - 4 - 8

(24 scores, 24 turnovers for rookie)

[SIZE=14pt]Year 2 (2007)[/SIZE] would see that improve to something like: 3,200 - 24 - 12 // 500 - 4 - 4

And Ill go [SIZE=14pt]Year 3 (2008)[/SIZE] as 3,800 - 28 - 10 // 500 - 4 - 2

 

[Big Score]

I am a Young backer.

If Young started 16 games, I think they'd lean heavily on the running game and Young's numbers would be somewhere around

Pass: 2500/14/14

Rush: 600/6

Which, conicidentally, is almost identical to Michael Vick's numbers - after six years in the league.

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I think Vick's 1st year starting, is a better measuring stick for Young. 1st year on the bench with an end of season game or two, then starting the 2nd year in the Dan Reeves offense. (speaking of Vick here)

 

[LHUCKS]

Why? I've never heard this kind of urgency regarding other rookie qbs. What's the rush with Young?

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Because he was drafted #3 overall and people on this board seem to think he's the next Roger Staubach...which he wont be.
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I'm not sure what you're saying, but there wasn't the same urgency for Carson Palmer and he went #1 overall.
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Exactly. I remember in discussions here about Palmer that it wasn't a given that he'd start at all his first year, much less start the season, and most people didn't really expect him to.
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I'm more interested in what people think VY wiill do in 2007 and the long term. Expecting any QB to perform well as a rookie is ridiculous.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

But Palmer was the unanimous #1 QB across the board...everybody believed he would be successful at some point. 

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I don't remember it that way at all. In fact, I think there were MANY Palmer detractors, although likely not as many as Young has.

 

[LHUCKS]

But Palmer was the unanimous #1 QB across the board...everybody believed he would be successful at some point. 

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I don't remember it that way at all. In fact, I think there were MANY Palmer detractors, although likely not as many as Young has.
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I'm sure there were some...but for the most part Palmer was considered a can't miss QB...which I happened to agree with.Young on the other hand...