Question for the mock draft makers (1 Viewer)

[rabidfireweasel]

I realize part of the reasosn to make mocks is to study players, identify team needds and pass the time. I enjoy reading them and clarifying mmy thoughts as well. So here is my question:

What impact, if any, does a guy like Gosselin- who does no scouting, no talent evaluation, but has moster connections- have on you rethinking your evaluations of players. Part of me feels like it should have no bearing, because heis not illuminating something I am missing, but rather reporting information that will be made apparent in short time. On the other hand, if several teams have a much higher opinion than I did of a player, clearly that means something?

Thoughts?

 

[coolnerd]

While I love the draft, faux scouting, and watch 75-100 college games among other things that we addicts do but, at the end of the day what the teams think matter more than what I think, so when Gosselin speaks I listen.

 

[chris1969]

Exactly! The trick of making a mock is to put the guy in the slot that you think the team would pick, not who you think is best or the fan favorite.

 

[Chaos Commish]

While I love the draft, faux scouting, and watch 75-100 college games among other things that we addicts do at the end of the day, what the teams think matter more than what I think, so when Gosselin speaks I listen.

Right. I recently advised Andy not to let his ratings overrule connected pundits projections. They are two different things. I rate Rice and Jarrett very high, but the pundits either have to join me quickly or I will be forced to join them. Same with Charles Johnson. I expect him to be the best DE to come out of this draft. He's just 20 and way ahead of Adams at the same age and such a hard worker. I cannot imagine 32 teams passing on him, but if more pundits don't start projecting it, and if I want to try to be accurate, I should accept him as a second rounder. I did read more and more organizations are going the Polian route and being extremely guarded with information. No one ever knows what the Pats, Seahawks, Bears, and Colts are going to do and all of those teams have done well lately. Savage and JJ give up the information or don't seem to mind if it leaks. Sheesh, Savage recently asked the reporters in a presser who he should pick. They were split. He made his point.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

While I love the draft, faux scouting, and watch 75-100 college games among other things that we addicts do at the end of the day, what the teams think matter more than what I think, so when Gosselin speaks I listen.

Right. I recently advised Andy not to let his ratings overrule connected pundits projections. They are two different things. I rate Rice and Jarrett very high, but the pundits either have to join me quickly or I will be forced to join them. Same with Charles Johnson. I expect him to be the best DE to come out of this draft. He's just 20 and way ahead of Adams at the same age and such a hard worker. I cannot imagine 32 teams passing on him, but if more pundits don't start projecting it, and if I want to try to be accurate, I should accept him as a second rounder.

Thanks for answering. I was thinking of you specifically.I understand that someone with connections will have a more accurate mock.You should listen to them when making a mock. However, when projecting FF success at the next level, how much will the draft change your mind. Last year you had Brandon Marshall at or near the top of your list. Then you bumped him down a bit after he went in round for. After seeing him last year in Denver, he is now back near the top of your 2006 WR list. So in his case, the draft order didn't affect your position much. SImilarly, I think that if Johnson has a great first year, he will at or near the top of your 2007 DE lists. On the other hand, when someone like Lee Suggs or Chris Henry droups to rounds 3-4, the is likely a serious reason. How do you balance these things?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

While I love the draft, faux scouting, and watch 75-100 college games among other things that we addicts do at the end of the day, what the teams think matter more than what I think, so when Gosselin speaks I listen.

Right. I recently advised Andy not to let his ratings overrule connected pundits projections. They are two different things. I rate Rice and Jarrett very high, but the pundits either have to join me quickly or I will be forced to join them. Same with Charles Johnson. I expect him to be the best DE to come out of this draft. He's just 20 and way ahead of Adams at the same age and such a hard worker. I cannot imagine 32 teams passing on him, but if more pundits don't start projecting it, and if I want to try to be accurate, I should accept him as a second rounder.

Thanks for answering. I was thinking of you specifically.I understand that someone with connections will have a more accurate mock.You should listen to them when making a mock. However, when projecting FF success at the next level, how much will the draft change your mind. Last year you had Brandon Marshall at or near the top of your list. Then you bumped him down a bit after he went in round for. After seeing him last year in Denver, he is now back near the top of your 2006 WR list. So in his case, the draft order didn't affect your position much. SImilarly, I think that if Johnson has a great first year, he will at or near the top of your 2007 DE lists. On the other hand, when someone like Lee Suggs or Chris Henry droups to rounds 3-4, the is likely a serious reason. How do you balance these things?

Well you just find out why they fell, and if its something you already took into account, you change the pick. If it's not something you already knew you adjust. Henry fell because of character issues, and we all knew about that, so we didnt change our ranks. We are talking about two different tasks hereredicting what is going to happen in the draftPredicting how the players careers are going to goOnly when a players draft slot is vastly different from our expectations would I let it affect my thoughts on the 2nd.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

While I love the draft, faux scouting, and watch 75-100 college games among other things that we addicts do at the end of the day, what the teams think matter more than what I think, so when Gosselin speaks I listen.

Right. I recently advised Andy not to let his ratings overrule connected pundits projections. They are two different things. I rate Rice and Jarrett very high, but the pundits either have to join me quickly or I will be forced to join them. Same with Charles Johnson. I expect him to be the best DE to come out of this draft. He's just 20 and way ahead of Adams at the same age and such a hard worker. I cannot imagine 32 teams passing on him, but if more pundits don't start projecting it, and if I want to try to be accurate, I should accept him as a second rounder.

Thanks for answering. I was thinking of you specifically.I understand that someone with connections will have a more accurate mock.You should listen to them when making a mock. However, when projecting FF success at the next level, how much will the draft change your mind. Last year you had Brandon Marshall at or near the top of your list. Then you bumped him down a bit after he went in round for. After seeing him last year in Denver, he is now back near the top of your 2006 WR list. So in his case, the draft order didn't affect your position much. SImilarly, I think that if Johnson has a great first year, he will at or near the top of your 2007 DE lists. On the other hand, when someone like Lee Suggs or Chris Henry droups to rounds 3-4, the is likely a serious reason. How do you balance these things?

We are talking about two different tasks hereredicting what is going to happen in the draftPredicting how the players careers are going to goOnly when a players draft slot is vastly different from our expectations would I let it affect my thoughts on the 2nd.

Actually, I am not talking about two different tasks. I am talking about the second task. However, it seems many apply part 1 to part 2 (Hence the "pay attention to Goose" comments I have seen, and CC revisiting his ideas about Johnson.) I am asking how much they do it and why.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

While I love the draft, faux scouting, and watch 75-100 college games among other things that we addicts do at the end of the day, what the teams think matter more than what I think, so when Gosselin speaks I listen.

Right. I recently advised Andy not to let his ratings overrule connected pundits projections. They are two different things. I rate Rice and Jarrett very high, but the pundits either have to join me quickly or I will be forced to join them. Same with Charles Johnson. I expect him to be the best DE to come out of this draft. He's just 20 and way ahead of Adams at the same age and such a hard worker. I cannot imagine 32 teams passing on him, but if more pundits don't start projecting it, and if I want to try to be accurate, I should accept him as a second rounder.

Thanks for answering. I was thinking of you specifically.I understand that someone with connections will have a more accurate mock.You should listen to them when making a mock. However, when projecting FF success at the next level, how much will the draft change your mind. Last year you had Brandon Marshall at or near the top of your list. Then you bumped him down a bit after he went in round for. After seeing him last year in Denver, he is now back near the top of your 2006 WR list. So in his case, the draft order didn't affect your position much. SImilarly, I think that if Johnson has a great first year, he will at or near the top of your 2007 DE lists. On the other hand, when someone like Lee Suggs or Chris Henry droups to rounds 3-4, the is likely a serious reason. How do you balance these things?

We are talking about two different tasks hereredicting what is going to happen in the draftPredicting how the players careers are going to goOnly when a players draft slot is vastly different from our expectations would I let it affect my thoughts on the 2nd.

Actually, I am not talking about two different tasks. I am talking about the second task. However, it seems many apply part 1 to part 2 (Hence the "pay attention to Goose" comments I have seen, and CC revisiting his ideas about Johnson.) I am asking how much they do it and why.

I think CC is just revisiting his ideas about where Johnson will go in the draft, not how good he's going to be.