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Question of Ethics (1 Viewer)

Milwalkeysbeast

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Championship game, I lead 138 to 135. His players are done, I have Aaron Rodgers going tonight. Would you bench Aaron Rodgers and leave you QB spot empty?

Is that ethically wrong? What would happen if a stat changes later in the week and it takes away a point or 2?

Our Qb scoring is:

2 pts every 100 yards

5 pt bonus at 300 yds

-3 pts for INT

5 pts TD pass

So suffice it to say that this is most likely a win unless Rodgers throws a few interceptions and then gets hurt or something.

 
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do the right thing...

how a league can be set up to allow "vacant" @any position is beyond me

my leagues don't allow for this, and have provisions in the rules for me to insert a player if an owner 'forgets', for example, to pull a player on bye 1 week when a viable starter is on the bench

this isn't the exact same situation, mind you...only that "starting lineup manipulation" to improve ones situation gets called into play here

but, I'm afraid I'll probably be in the minority, as I'm sure plenty of folks will say "you're crazy to leave him IN!"

 
Ethically probably not the best, but if it's for $$ then leave him out.

I don't envy your position. We had this situation arise with Rich Gannon years ago and the guy ended up losing after taking so much heat from the rest of the league. But that wasn't the Bowl game.

Pretend you're playing lawn bowls or curling - you don't have to make your final roll if you're already up!

 
you would forfeit in my league for an illegal line up.

rogers would have to throw 4 or 5 INTs for you to lose. with that scoring system I would say Rogers will get a low end of 10Pts. you are safe

but it would be funny if he throw 2 INTs and then for hurt :thumbup:

 
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you would forfeit in my league for an illegal line up.

rogers would have to throw 4 or 5 INTs for you to lose. with that scoring system I would say Rogers will get a low end of 10Pts. you are safe

but it would be funny if he throw 2 INTs and then for hurt :unsure:
You should leave him out of your lineup for this reason. It's a great rule to have illegal lineups be an automatic forefit, this game will help you add this rule to your league.
 
How in the world is it unethical to leave a vacant spot in your lineup in an attempt to win?

I would bench him in a heartbeat, a three point score change seems less likely than a miserable multiple turnover effort

 
How in the world is it unethical to leave a vacant spot in your lineup in an attempt to win? I would bench him in a heartbeat, a three point score change seems less likely than a miserable multiple turnover effort
Leave him out just to prove how ridiculous -3 points for an interception is.What a stupid rule! :thumbup:
 
How in the world is it unethical to leave a vacant spot in your lineup in an attempt to win? I would bench him in a heartbeat, a three point score change seems less likely than a miserable multiple turnover effort
Leave him out just to prove how ridiculous -3 points for an interception is.What a stupid rule! :thumbup:
Are you serious? :confused: Does your league not take away a couple points for an INT? Ours in only -2 but your response is pretty harsh for just one more point. JMO
 
How in the world is it unethical to leave a vacant spot in your lineup in an attempt to win? I would bench him in a heartbeat, a three point score change seems less likely than a miserable multiple turnover effort
Leave him out just to prove how ridiculous -3 points for an interception is.What a stupid rule! :rolleyes:
Are you serious? :thumbup: Does your league not take away a couple points for an INT? Ours in only -2 but your response is pretty harsh for just one more point. JMO
I've never liked the negative points rules and we've never used them.-2 is bad but -3 is absurd.
 
You don't think that there should be some sort of penalty for a turnover by an offensive player? Do you reward a DST for getting an INT or fumble recovery? I just feel that the reward should be equivalent to the penalty, kind of a give and take.

 
You don't think that there should be some sort of penalty for a turnover by an offensive player? Do you reward a DST for getting an INT or fumble recovery? I just feel that the reward should be equivalent to the penalty, kind of a give and take.
my league does not give minus PTs for INTs or fumbles. no all INTs are the QB's fault. no DEF either
 
Championship game, I lead 138 to 135. His players are done, I have Aaron Rodgers going tonight. Would you bench Aaron Rodgers and leave you QB spot empty?Is that ethically wrong? What would happen if a stat changes later in the week and it takes away a point or 2? Our Qb scoring is:2 pts every 100 yards5 pt bonus at 300 yds-3 pts for INT5 pts TD passSo suffice it to say that this is most likely a win unless Rodgers throws a few interceptions and then gets hurt or something.
In my leagues if you don't have a complete lineup for the weeks game..YOU LOSE!
 
Championship game, I lead 138 to 135. His players are done, I have Aaron Rodgers going tonight. Would you bench Aaron Rodgers and leave you QB spot empty?Is that ethically wrong? What would happen if a stat changes later in the week and it takes away a point or 2? Our Qb scoring is:2 pts every 100 yards5 pt bonus at 300 yds-3 pts for INT5 pts TD passSo suffice it to say that this is most likely a win unless Rodgers throws a few interceptions and then gets hurt or something.
In my leagues if you don't have a complete lineup for the weeks game..YOU LOSE!
We have altered that rule to allow for what we consider the QB kneel down - you have the win locked up before Sunday or Monday night's game. The complete lineup rule is to encourage people to stay competitive, not to limit strategy. We also have pretty significant negative points:-3 for int, -3 for FL, defenses start losing points over 28 points given up, kickers can lose points for missed FGs.
 
If your league allows for it, by all means do it. At the understood risk of a stat change later, of course... you can't bench him now then complain when the stat change goes against you. That's the risk that mitigates somewhat the other owner's position.

I did it myself earlier this year. Was up 5 or so, had just the Giants DST to go on MNF. Other guy was done. Benched the Giants DST even though they were playing the lowly Cleveland Browns and were projected to score me another dozen points. The Giants blew the game and would have scored me -6 or -8, costing me the game.

If your league allows for incomplete lineups and lineup changes prior to kickoff (instead of all players, all games locking at kickoff of first game), go ahead and do it. If a stat change bites you, well, tough luck.

 
Very bush league move imo.
I'm very surprised that people have any problem with this move. What is it that bothers you? Why should you have to play a player that can't help you win but could make you lose? There are similar examples all over pro sports.
 
You start a lineup consisting of a QB. If the leagues doesn't have a rule to prevent incomplete lineups, it should. Are the Det Lions gonna rest all the starters to guarantee (help) themselves get the 1st pick?

 
You start a lineup consisting of a QB. If the leagues doesn't have a rule to prevent incomplete lineups, it should. Are the Det Lions gonna rest all the starters to guarantee (help) themselves get the 1st pick?
Horrible point. Sorry, but that comparison makes absolutely no sense. He is resting his QB to because he thinks that gives him the best chance to win. You play differently if you are in the lead. QB's kneel down to ensure a win, basketball players milk the clock, baseball players trade outs for runs, etc...Would it be any different if he took out Rodgers and put in GB's third string QB? Would THAT make it ethical?
 
Championship game, I lead 138 to 135. His players are done, I have Aaron Rodgers going tonight. Would you bench Aaron Rodgers and leave you QB spot empty?Is that ethically wrong? What would happen if a stat changes later in the week and it takes away a point or 2? Our Qb scoring is:2 pts every 100 yards5 pt bonus at 300 yds-3 pts for INT5 pts TD passSo suffice it to say that this is most likely a win unless Rodgers throws a few interceptions and then gets hurt or something.
I'm not saying it can't happen it does..but what are the odds..a million to one that it does.minus 3 points by a starting QB?
 
I lost games with the lineups I put in..but I kept those lineups and just won the championship..this FF is all LUCK..if you don't know that yet never go to Vegas!

 
I bench him. I've done it before. Obviously if the rules allow you.

In one of my leagues a team DEF can get -10 points. Anytime I have < 10 point lead with just my DEF going, I'll sub them out. Seems like the smart thing to do.

 
Just to scare ya more since your already scared..recall Brees fumble (week 8) ..minus 26 rushing yards on one simple bad hike..was a bummer to me but still won!

 
A 2 point swing on stat correction is always possible, so I would play him.

But what do your rules say?

 
We avoid this type of discussion by having a rule that says the lowest a player can score is zero. You still get penalized for turnovers, but once you hit zero that's as low as you go.

 
Out of curiosity... what is everyone's reasoning for the "illegal roster = forfeit" rule?

I know a lot of leagues that have it, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a decent reason why. :confused:

 
In case anyone was curious, I went ahead and played Rodgers and obviously won decisively.

I was surprised at people's reactions of thinking it a bush league move - If anything, its most in comparison to a QB kneel at the end of a half or game.

I also lost my mind when Rodgers threw his first INT.

Negative points, IMO, should be in every league. True, not every INT or fumble is a player's fault - but the same goes for rushing yards or receiving yards. Just because LT rushes for 100 yards doesn't mean he did all the work. His O-line may have made it so he was untouched - yet he gets the positive points for the yardage. Negative points rules make you actually think harder before throwin in a Brett Favre.

 

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