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Quinn may holdout (1 Viewer)
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perry147
Footballguy
If he does this and Fry pulls a Brees I will die laughing.That being said. I think he needs to sign and fast.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
CommuterMan
Footballguy
You can be sure that Quinn's agent is telling him that just because 21 teams passed on him (including the team that did draft him) he is still a top 5 draft pick and should be compensated as such....Expect a hold-out
Jayrod
Footballguy
I don't see that happening. No Tomlinson + No Gates = No Brees-like performanceQuinn will be the man by mid-season if not sooner. A holdout will just effect the "sooner" part of that equation.
Mark Wimer
Moderator
Rookie holdouts rarely do much to light up the fantasy world, especially at QB and WR. If Quinn does this then expect a muddle at QB in Cleveland ( 
to consistent FP) as they play one of their vets but try to work Quinn in for snaps/experience (assuming he signs at some point and is in by regular season).
Cleveland's passing game wasn't looking too hot even assuming Quinn signed and benefitted from a full training camp. A holdout would be very bad for the whole passing game's fantasy prospects.
to consistent FP) as they play one of their vets but try to work Quinn in for snaps/experience (assuming he signs at some point and is in by regular season).Cleveland's passing game wasn't looking too hot even assuming Quinn signed and benefitted from a full training camp. A holdout would be very bad for the whole passing game's fantasy prospects.
David Yudkin
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Sinrman
Footballguy
Yeah, it's pretty obvious he and his agent thinks he should still get top money, but the Brownies are saying "Not a chance." Especially for a QB, which is the most $$ demanding position in the NFL. Quinn needs to be a bit realistic here, sign a decent contract (though I wouldn't advise a super long one), play it out, and see how things turn out. Otherwise, a holdout does you no good.
radballs
Footballguy
I really don't see where Quinn has much leverage. He's not going to start for the entirety of his rookie season more than likely. Anderson's looked pretty good and Frye will most likely start anyway.
What cards does he hold really? Poor domer has a bruised ego because he slipped in the draft and wants some kind of retribution as well as more money. He'll really endear himself to the Browns fans.
What cards does he hold really? Poor domer has a bruised ego because he slipped in the draft and wants some kind of retribution as well as more money. He'll really endear himself to the Browns fans.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
The "cards he holds" are significant, and the gamble that his rookie year will be a wash is worth the extra money garnered by being paid like pick #10 instead of pick 22.
nygiants56
Footballguy
thing is, his agent is probably telling to hold out to recoup some of those lost millions that fell out of his pocket with each passing draft pick as he fell all the way to #22..his agent is not only trying to recover the lost $$ from his slide to #22, but its an obvious attempt at playing the oldest game in the book: 'get the money while you can, because your career won't last forever'..with flops hitting the NFL lately in guys like Couch, Leftwhich, Leaf, Harrington et al, it makes sense to hold out to get that big payday. but with a huge loss in revenue from that fall to #22, perhaps this agent is getting his client ready for a lengthy holdout. not wise, when you consider that a guy like Quinn needs to be there , from Day 1. he needs a lot of work.
radballs
Footballguy
Why number 10? So, why doesn't he hold out for #1 money? Or, why doesn't every rookie pick hold out? He has to sign a contract to get paid, right? The system is broken and players should just be paid according to where they were drafted period. In any case, I agree with you that I'm sure the team doesn't want his rookie year to be a wash. But, I'm also pretty sure that Quinn wants to get paid something this year.
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I hope the Browns refuse to pay him more than the 21st spot. I'm not so sure they're worse off with Frye anyway.
Black Label Society
Footballguy
Riffraff
Footballguy
This is the bargaining chip.If Quinn sits out the year and re-enters the draft in 2008, the Browns lose next year's draft pick as well. Two first round picks lost, with nothing to show for them...Though is would be pretty sad since he was saying it was a lifelong dream to be a Brown.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
No, he doesn't have to sign to get paid - he has been living well off agent advances since January, which is why he can say all the right things but Condon gets to decide if/when he signs. He can enter the draft pool again next season and even though he likely won't go as high, he has that option. I said #10 as an arbitrary figure, although I imagine it's a spot they'll settle when Condon says, "he should be in Miami, not here. Pay us near Miami's pick (9) and we'll deal."
gump
Footballguy
How did Aaron Rodger's contract negotiation play out?
And where is that thread asking why Quinn is disliked??
Personally, I'd like to see him sit out. I'm too young to remember the Bo Jackson ordeal...I'd be interested to see how it played out in the media and with the fans.
And where is that thread asking why Quinn is disliked??
Personally, I'd like to see him sit out. I'm too young to remember the Bo Jackson ordeal...I'd be interested to see how it played out in the media and with the fans.
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SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
That's exactly what I was thinking. What about that picture of him as a 4 year old in a Browns uniform? Oh, the humanity!!! I know if the Bears drafted me, and were going to pay me #22 money, I'd sign it that day.
And if I were Cleveland, I'd tell Condon that we'll do the deal. But he doesn't see a cent until Dallas makes that pick.
SSOG
Moderator
Kellen Winslow II is a *LOT* more highly regarded right now than Antonio Gates was prior to the 2004 season, and while he won't have a Tomlinson, he will have a better offensive line (from what I hear) and a Braylon Edwards.I'm not saying that it's likely that Frye or Anderson pull a Brees... I'm just saying it's no more unlikely than it was for Drew Brees to pull a Brees.Edit: The HUGE problem with the #22 pick asking for #9 pick money is that it's really not financially feasible. There's a rookie salary cap, and each team's rookie cap is based on the picks that they make. The salary cap space that Cleveland has been allocated to use on Brady Quinn is #22 overall salary cap space, and trying to fit a #9 overall contract into #22 overall salary cap space is pretty ludicrous (unless Quinn doesn't mind if he doesn't get a dime guaranteed this year and is willing to take his big payday as a roster bonus next year- which something tells me he won't be willing to do).
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Family Matters
Footballguy
Here's the skinny IMO. The Browns do not plan to play Quinn this year. They want him to ride the pine and learn like Palmer and Rivers did. With that said, they're in no rush to sign him and can afford to work his number down a bit.
OTOH-Quinn and his agent are saying that while he was drafted 22, he's a top 5 talent and the Browns traded away a likely top 10 pick next year to get him. He's clearly worth the moey. But the reality is he's going to get slotted and neither side will be in a rush to get him there.
If the Browns were planning on playing him this year then they would get the deal done. But they feel another year with Frye or Anderson will be fine and they might be able to create some trade value with the guy who starts this year, who knows.
So it really is in the Browns hands as to when the deal gets done. But don't expect Quinn to cave in.
OTOH-Quinn and his agent are saying that while he was drafted 22, he's a top 5 talent and the Browns traded away a likely top 10 pick next year to get him. He's clearly worth the moey. But the reality is he's going to get slotted and neither side will be in a rush to get him there.
If the Browns were planning on playing him this year then they would get the deal done. But they feel another year with Frye or Anderson will be fine and they might be able to create some trade value with the guy who starts this year, who knows.
So it really is in the Browns hands as to when the deal gets done. But don't expect Quinn to cave in.
massraider
Footballguy
First, it's way too soon to be real concerned, or talking about sitting out the year. I'd get nervous in late July, or August.
Second, nothing about Quinn's situation is unique. Other players have been acquired through trade up, even involving future first round picks. And the Brown's comments about how highly they thought of him are irrelevant as well. All teams talk their players up.
Quinn's agent is just doing his due diligence, asking for the moon and the stars, and he'll wind up settling for just the moon.
If you step back and look at this from a business standpoint, the NFL has a structure in place to get the rooks signed, the slotting system. If Quinn gets a contract more suited to a top 10 pick, it will be the Wild West, and every agent will be looking to get a higher price for a client with even a little leverage.
The Browns, and the NFL, will not let that happen. They can't just overpay Quinn, and everyone go about their business. The ramifications of such a move would be huge.
Second, nothing about Quinn's situation is unique. Other players have been acquired through trade up, even involving future first round picks. And the Brown's comments about how highly they thought of him are irrelevant as well. All teams talk their players up.
Quinn's agent is just doing his due diligence, asking for the moon and the stars, and he'll wind up settling for just the moon.
If you step back and look at this from a business standpoint, the NFL has a structure in place to get the rooks signed, the slotting system. If Quinn gets a contract more suited to a top 10 pick, it will be the Wild West, and every agent will be looking to get a higher price for a client with even a little leverage.
The Browns, and the NFL, will not let that happen. They can't just overpay Quinn, and everyone go about their business. The ramifications of such a move would be huge.
toxicbees
Footballguy
I think the Browns have every intention of starting Quinn week 1. They just don't want to announce it because it would effect the contract negotiations. Don't think for a second that Anderson or Frye is better than Quinn.
I know he was taken 22nd overall, but the Browns gave up next year's first round pick to get him, depending on where the Browns finish he'll cost them a lot more than 22nd overall.
I know he was taken 22nd overall, but the Browns gave up next year's first round pick to get him, depending on where the Browns finish he'll cost them a lot more than 22nd overall.
duaneok66
Footballguy
That doesn't factor in to Quinn's financial demands . . .
toxicbees
Footballguy
Why wouldn't it?
The sky is blue.
Nearly the entire first round "holds out" until the last minute. It is the new trend.
Cleveland Homer here and I am very intrigued by how this will turn out. Food for thought:
- Word out of Training Camp is Derek Anderson is outperforming all CLE QB's
- Quinn has been fluttering passes during OTA's. I hate to overvalue glorified exercises, but if you don't look damn sharp in shorts w/ no rush and a red jersey on...
- We know the ideal is to sit Quinn for the first year, but w/ the first rounder given up and Romeo on his last year presumably the Browns do not have that luxury.
- If Quinn cannot blow away the current crop of QB's, what does that say about the pick?
- Can you start Quinn in Game#1 if he is not the best QB. The fans and media are no dummies.
- Throw Quinn in after the Browns go 1-5 before the Bye?
- This has no win situation written all over it.
Nearly the entire first round "holds out" until the last minute. It is the new trend.
Cleveland Homer here and I am very intrigued by how this will turn out. Food for thought:
- Word out of Training Camp is Derek Anderson is outperforming all CLE QB's
- Quinn has been fluttering passes during OTA's. I hate to overvalue glorified exercises, but if you don't look damn sharp in shorts w/ no rush and a red jersey on...
- We know the ideal is to sit Quinn for the first year, but w/ the first rounder given up and Romeo on his last year presumably the Browns do not have that luxury.
- If Quinn cannot blow away the current crop of QB's, what does that say about the pick?
- Can you start Quinn in Game#1 if he is not the best QB. The fans and media are no dummies.
- Throw Quinn in after the Browns go 1-5 before the Bye?
- This has no win situation written all over it.
