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Was it just me, or was Quinn skiddishly rushing to dump the ball to a RB or TE? It's like he drops back manically, stutters around and looks relieved to dump the ball off.

Sanchez looked the same at times in his game.

I am guessing that's why the good QBs look 'cool' and 'unrattled'? They can focus more on the play instead of just frantically reacting to the DEF?

 
"Was it just me, or was Quinn skiddishly rushing to dump the ball to a RB or TE?"

I like "skiddishly" -- it describes the Browns offense to a T. Like something engineered in Sri Lanka that looks like hell and runs on camelpower.

 
Bermuda_Chub said:
"Was it just me, or was Quinn skiddishly rushing to dump the ball to a RB or TE?"

I like "skiddishly" -- it describes the Browns offense to a T. Like something engineered in Sri Lanka that looks like hell and runs on camelpower.
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They don't have camels in Sri Lanka. Elephants, yes.
 
He's the type that will need half a decade to develop. His second or third team will reap the rewards, imo...

Time will tell...and yeah, he certainly looks rattled.

 
I couldn't stand watching the Browns try to play offense anymore. I had to turn it off.

I don't usually dog on QBs because I think it's the hardest job in sports. When you see guys like Manning and Brady work it...

HOW did everyone get it so wrong on Brady Quinn? I've seen first round busts flash talent even when they suck.

Last night, that looked like a street free agent out there. He looked nothing like a professional QB.

 
TitusIII said:
He's the type that will need half a decade to develop. His second or third team will reap the rewards, imo...Time will tell...and yeah, he certainly looks rattled.
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is that a type?Rich Gannon is the only player I can think of that was either bad or average for multiple years and actually very good (and not just filler) late in his career. steve young also comes to mind, but i think his story is a little different in that he was behind joe montana--and when he did play in those four years, he usually looked very good. so it's not like the light suddenly came on late in his career. not trying to be too much of a smart### but just what other players, besides rich gannon, have done this?
 
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TitusIII said:
He's the type that will need half a decade to develop. His second or third team will reap the rewards, imo...Time will tell...and yeah, he certainly looks rattled.
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is that a type?Rich Gannon is the only player I can think of that was either bad or average for multiple years and actually very good (and not just filler) late in his career. steve young also comes to mind, but i think his story is a little different in that he was behind joe montana--and when he did play in those four years, he usually looked very good. so it's not like the light suddenly came on late in his career. not trying to be too much of a smart### but just what other players, besides rich gannon, have done this?
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Jim Plunkett?
 
That team sucks so bad at every position that you can't even gauge whether Quinn has what it takes. His starting WR's could be the worst ever. His TE is a backup on just about every other team.

 
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Quinns arm looked really really weak last night. He had absolutely no zip on the ball. Previously I was open for him to start anew with the Panthers but he really didnt look like a NFL QB last night. Having said that, that was the only Browns game I have watched all year so I could be wrong.

 
A very annoying game to watch..I wish that Quinn would at least try to throw the ball downfield.

 
Watching Quinn heave the ball as hard as he can, which wasn't even as hard as Pennington could throw, and having it land 10 feet out of bounds - twice in a row - was one of the funniest things I have seen on a football field in a while.

 
FavreCo said:
Da Guru said:
A very annoying game to watch..I wish that Quinn would at least try to throw the ball downfield.
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No idea if Quinn is any good or not but, who would he throw to and would you want to throw to them?
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He did throw it downfield a couple of times near the end of the game...Unfortunately, they landed out-of-bounds by 10 feet.I doubt he ever amounts to a decent starting QB, no matter what players he has on his side.
 
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When an offensive line can't give the quarterback enough time to take a three step drop and get rid of the ball in rhythm...expecting Quinn to take shots down the field is asking a bit much. Even with wide receivers that could get separation.

Considering how management manipulated the quarterback position in order to save money on Quinn's incentive based contract he should be "sort of spazzy" about getting out of Cleveland.

 
trader jake said:
When an offensive line can't give the quarterback enough time to take a three step drop and get rid of the ball in rhythm...expecting Quinn to take shots down the field is asking a bit much. Even with wide receivers that could get separation.

Considering how management manipulated the quarterback position in order to save money on Quinn's incentive based contract he should be "sort of spazzy" about getting out of Cleveland.
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That adds to my cheap ### owners statements. They held him out just so they didn't have to pay him $5 million in bonsues for snap count. They calculated how many plays would be left in the season and this week marked the point where he couldn't cash in......not that he's worth it.
 
trader jake said:
When an offensive line can't give the quarterback enough time to take a three step drop and get rid of the ball in rhythm...expecting Quinn to take shots down the field is asking a bit much. Even with wide receivers that could get separation.
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While I agree about not having much time Quinn was having problems completing 5-yard passes. I don't think I've ever seen an NFL quarterback throw over 30 times for less than 100 yards.
 
it is on anderson (& crennell/savage), too, but they flashed a stat during MNF that the last time a team had only 5 TDs in a 14 (now 15) game span was in the mid-1930s.

historic ineptitude.

the consecutive passes out of bounds at the end were emblematic.

they never came close to a TD (FG?) last night.

 
Dawg talkers message board looks to be entertaining.

Just WOW to this sort of ineptitude.

If you do, you also remember where you were a year ago today. That's right, it's been 365 days since a Cleveland Browns running back has rushed for a touchdown. November 17th, 2008 in Buffalo - Jerome Harrison for 72 yards early in the 4th quarter.

I remember a freind and I were walking into work just after that play and jokingly said to each other "Superbowl!" lol, if only we knew.

I know there are endless stats to describe how abysmal the offense has become, I know a couple "playmakers" have been removed from the team, I know the whole situation is an awful cluster fudge - but nothing sums up how sad it is to me than that stat. No rushing TD's for a RB in a year.

This organization has been identified by it's RB's and the running game for 60 years... you know the list of players. It's sickening to me how far it's all fallen.

Unbelievable.

 
Quinn looks like he's the product of horrible coaching, confidence tearing down, and ineptness all around.

He needs to go to a different team. Cleveland is so horrible, I hope Lerner fires Mangina tomorrow, forfeits the rest of the games, and spends the next 3 months searching for a new staff entirely, starting with VP of Football Operations, and GM.

 
This might be the only place where I'm able to say this . . . .

Thank God the Dolphins to Ted Ginn over Brady Quinn when they did.

or maybe not :banned:

 
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is that a type?Rich Gannon is the only player I can think of that was either bad or average for multiple years and actually very good (and not just filler) late in his career. steve young also comes to mind, but i think his story is a little different in that he was behind joe montana--and when he did play in those four years, he usually looked very good. so it's not like the light suddenly came on late in his career. not trying to be too much of a smart### but just what other players, besides rich gannon, have done this?
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Joe Theismann was no prize early. Archie Manning. Terry Bradshaw. Troy Aikman. Bart Starr. Jeff Garcia, Trent Green and Kurt Warner. Phil Simms. Roger Staubach.I like to root for the young guys. It was a lot of fun watching Dan Marino and Drew Bledsoe in their early 20s. Their coaches said, "We're going to win because you're good." They threw all the time. It will be fun to see what happens with Matt Stafford. He's only 21, but I hope the Lions are in a position to start doing that with him next year. Depends on what the offseason brings. If things break the right way for him, Stafford could be the kind of guy to throw for 30,000 career yards. Don't worry about bringing him along slowly. Just install a passing offense, get yourself a good #2 WR and invest in a line. He'll have some problems, but that Stafford guy's good. Let him throw it. I don't really see that kind of talent or confidence with Quinn, but that doesn't mean he coudn't slow down and turn into a Joe Theismann type QB in his thirties. He's already 25 and he's not exactly blazing any trails at this point. He broke the 1,000 career passing yards mark last night. Surely there's some bathwater there to get rid of, but I wouldn't give up on his career or anything at this point.
 
=Smackdown= said:
This might be the only place where I'm able to say this . . . .Thank God the Dolphins to Ted Ginn over Brady Quinn when they did.or maybe not :shrug:
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oh i remember that. whether Brady Quinn was available or not, Ginn was a reach.Miami has done better since then, while Cleveland has fumbled. A year ago Anderson and Quinn were talked about as elite QB's and there was a lot of buzz about teams trading for one of them. The Browns shoulda have struck while the iron was hot, by nabbing a high draft pick or two for a QB...now, Anderson's value is zilch, and Quinn's value isn't higher than a 7th round pick. Or could be cut.
 
=Smackdown= said:
This might be the only place where I'm able to say this . . . .Thank God the Dolphins to Ted Ginn over Brady Quinn when they did.or maybe not :goodposting:
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Certainly there were better players than Ginn, but Henne >>>>>>> Quinn and since taking Quinn would have meant no Henne, I think it worked out ok if the choice is just between Ginn and Quinn. Regardless of coaching and supporting cast, Quinn doesn't have a NFL arm.
 
switz said:
Quinn looks like he's the product of horrible coaching, confidence tearing down, and ineptness all around.He needs to go to a different team. Cleveland is so horrible, I hope Lerner fires Mangina tomorrow, forfeits the rest of the games, and spends the next 3 months searching for a new staff entirely, starting with VP of Football Operations, and GM.
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If I were Lerner, I'd fire Mangini tomorrow and let him take Daboll and the rest of his female administrative people with him out the back door. Then promote Rex Ryan to temp HC and hire the best OC looking for work right now he can find, and see what they can do to at least evaluate talent and prepare for games.At a minimum Daboll needs to be fired, yesterday. The guy has no business being an OC.
 
if you read the scouting report on Quinn, he actually has a very good arm. His interceptions were by and large from passes that hit receivers in their hands. They weren't 'great' throws, but nor were they really bad. If throwing down field were the answer, DA would have great stats, right?

The Browns OL is atrocious. Quinn literally had to the count of 3 to get rid of the ball on almost every pass play. The few times he tried to setup to throw long he was buried by Ravens in the backfield.

The Browns WRs aren't playing well. This is surprising since Robeskie was supposed to be groomed out of college, and Furry is usually a reliable possession WR. Losing Edwards and Winslow hurts as those were their best skill position players. The WRs do not really matter if the QB has no time and is getting run over every play. They do need good hands, and this group doesn't have them.

I think the Cleveland D is decent. I think the stats don't reflect this due to the utter ineptitude on offense, and the fact they spend so much of the game on the field.

I think DA or Quinn could be decent on a team with good personnel and coaching.

My personal opinion is Mangini has completely screwed up this season via trades, poor coaching, and even worse people management. If Quinn was going to be his starter, he should've played the entire preseason with the 1s and given him confidence and the ability to build rapport. Good QBs develop rapport and gameday intuition. The garbage Mangini has pulled has prevented the offense from having any of this. He's managed to ruin the psyche of both his QBs. They might be better off just running the wildcat every play.

The problem isn't the QB, either of them. It's the coach.

 
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So we're ready to stick a fork in Quinn after SEVEN career games? Prior to getting injured last season, he looked better than he did last night. He didn't look great, but he looked better.

Now you take a guy that was on the bench and likely not getting the reps with the offense and throw him in against a hard hitting D that was bringing heat.

Not only that, they traded just about every offensive play maker they had and replaced them with rookies or journeyman.

So, tell me again while we're being so harsh on Quinn? I don't understand the venom.

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
So we're ready to stick a fork in Quinn after SEVEN career games? Prior to getting injured last season, he looked better than he did last night. He didn't look great, but he looked better.Now you take a guy that was on the bench and likely not getting the reps with the offense and throw him in against a hard hitting D that was bringing heat.Not only that, they traded just about every offensive play maker they had and replaced them with rookies or journeyman.So, tell me again while we're being so harsh on Quinn? I don't understand the venom.
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The fork has been sticking out of him since he was in Notre Dame. Dude should be selling cars right now, not QBing a team in the NFL.
 
Remember when Browns fans on these boards thought the Browns could get either a top 10 pick or two 1st rd picks for Quinn? :goodposting:

 
Not Sure said:
=Smackdown= said:
This might be the only place where I'm able to say this . . . .Thank God the Dolphins to Ted Ginn over Brady Quinn when they did.or maybe not :)
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Certainly there were better players than Ginn, but Henne >>>>>>> Quinn and since taking Quinn would have meant no Henne, I think it worked out ok if the choice is just between Ginn and Quinn. Regardless of coaching and supporting cast, Quinn doesn't have a NFL arm.
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While I agree Henne is greater than Quinn, Miami took Beck in the 2nd round who is much less than Quinn. While if they took Quinn, they certainly would not have taken Henne the next year, but realize they burned a 2nd rounder in the process.
 
Mangini has been responsible for:

+ Trading away K2 and having no adequate replacement.

+ Trading away Braylon Edwards and having no adequate replacement.

+ Destroying the right side of the OL by bringing in a lousy RG (Pork Chop Womack) and RT (John St. Clair) with Rex Hadnot not helping either.

+ Hiring an offensive co-ordinator who stinks (Daboll)

+ Burning two 2nd round picks on WRs when the Browns DESPERATELY need to continue to build other areas, and then having neither one do much.

+ Drafting Veikune.

+ Nearly getting Josh Cribbs killed in some useless hook and ladder play to end a game out of reach.

 
without sifting through the entire thread and just answering the OP's question: yes.

i think there are 2 very legitmate reasons why though and in different circumstances, he might not look this way.

1. Team sucks, game plan sucks, it's just terrible. It's hard for a non-mobile qb to get things done with a bad o-line. Mobile Qbs are a markedly better option with bad o-line play.

2. the short leash has gotten to him. When they made the decision to go with him, that should have been it. Suffer through the bad, but the only way to see what he could be would be for him to have zero fear of getting pulled.

those 2 not withstanding, he might not have had the goods to begin with, but when they made the decision he was "their guy", they've done nothing to help him be "their guy"

 
FavreCo said:
Dawg talkers message board looks to be entertaining.

Just WOW to this sort of ineptitude.

If you do, you also remember where you were a year ago today. That's right, it's been 365 days since a Cleveland Browns running back has rushed for a touchdown. November 17th, 2008 in Buffalo - Jerome Harrison for 72 yards early in the 4th quarter.

I remember a freind and I were walking into work just after that play and jokingly said to each other "Superbowl!" lol, if only we knew.

I know there are endless stats to describe how abysmal the offense has become, I know a couple "playmakers" have been removed from the team, I know the whole situation is an awful cluster fudge - but nothing sums up how sad it is to me than that stat. No rushing TD's for a RB in a year.

This organization has been identified by it's RB's and the running game for 60 years... you know the list of players. It's sickening to me how far it's all fallen.

Unbelievable.
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That is truly pathetic Has that even been done before?

 
kaa said:
Mangini has been responsible for:

+ Trading away K2 and having no adequate replacement.

+ Trading away Braylon Edwards and having no adequate replacement.

+ Destroying the right side of the OL by bringing in a lousy RG (Pork Chop Womack) and RT (John St. Clair) with Rex Hadnot not helping either.

+ Hiring an offensive co-ordinator who stinks (Daboll)

+ Burning two 2nd round picks on WRs when the Browns DESPERATELY need to continue to build other areas, and then having neither one do much.

+ Drafting Veikune.

+ Nearly getting Josh Cribbs killed in some useless hook and ladder play to end a game out of reach.
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hmm
 
kaa said:
Mangini has been responsible for:+ Trading away K2 and having no adequate replacement.+ Trading away Braylon Edwards and having no adequate replacement.+ Destroying the right side of the OL by bringing in a lousy RG (Pork Chop Womack) and RT (John St. Clair) with Rex Hadnot not helping either.+ Hiring an offensive co-ordinator who stinks (Daboll)+ Burning two 2nd round picks on WRs when the Browns DESPERATELY need to continue to build other areas, and then having neither one do much.+ Drafting Veikune.+ Nearly getting Josh Cribbs killed in some useless hook and ladder play to end a game out of reach.
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Kind of like Veikune.
 
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