Quote Of The Day...Daily Email 8/31/06 (1 Viewer)

[deacon14]

Quote Of The Day:

"Todd has had seven great years here for the Philadelphia Eagles. "There is no one that I have respected more than Todd, who has helped us win a lot of football games. We have decided to give him an opportunity to move on to another team where there was still time for him to latch on as a starter. I know he is anxious to find another situation and step in and contribute immediately."

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't. From a guy that runs around calling passionate boarders here "Tools" for sarcasm and heated interaction, he's certainly walking a tight rope of hypocrisy on this one. The pickings for quotes must have been pretty thin yesterday for him to resort to yet another pile-on Todd Pinkston (quite possibly the most unfairly maligned pro football player since the rise of fantasy football.)

Yeah, I know, Pinkston stunk the joint out in the Tampa Bay (NFC title) game! However, he did help the Eagles "win a lot of football games" just as Andy Reid conveyed. Anybody that watches and follows Philly games every week, knows that Todd was a much better blocker and much better at catching the ball in traffic than his country wide perception. He was pencil thin, his last name was easy to make fun of, and he was very mild-mannered. All these things made him an excellent target for ridicule. For the most part, his performance and contributions didn't. For a good stretch of time, you could count on Pinkston going deep on the very first play of the game AND HOOKING UP! I can't tell yah how many times I told people watching with me to key on Pinkston and it came through. Most notable was a home game in 2003 vs. the Saints. I was telling the ladies in my row, cuz we were down tight. A guy behind me in a Saints jersey, mouthed off laughing that he'd buy me beers all day if "that twig got open." Ha-ha, guess who was drinking more than usual? I also recall a Ravens preseason game, during the "Owens" season trying my same forecast. Only, this time, Ed Reed slid over on Pinky's side and it was T.O. who caught the opening play bomb. Wish I could link up the play. YES, it was Todd drawing coverage and helping the Birds succeed. Anyways, good luck Todd. As an Iggle faithful, I wish you the best.

Go ahead and flame away. I can handle it and pride myself on taking board yap as well as I dish it. I'm sure I just pasted my face to the dart board.

 

[Raider Nation]

Is Pinky your brother? He is "unfairly maligned"??? Are you kidding me?

The term "alligator arms" was INVENTED for Pinkston.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Stinkston

 

[j3r3m3y]

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't.

Translation:"I like it when Joe makes fun of some players, but it isn't funny when he makes fun of my guy!"

Lighten up Francis.

 

[eddiezz74]

Stinkston

As an Eagles fan, I must say They hung their hopes on him WAY too long.

 

[Dr. J]

As a Philly homer, I understand the respect for Pinkston. He should never ever be considered a #1 receiver, but as a #2 for 4 or 5 years, he was fine. The Carolina NFCCG was terrible. We had him and Thrash and they both got pushed around pretty easy. At some point he lost any "edge" he may have had. I can't recall the exact game where he heard "footsteps", but it seemed as though you couldn't trust him any more, and I think he thought that of himself. Philly fans can be brutal, especially when they don't believe a player has any heart. He needs a change of scenery as much as any player out there.

 

[s_ezy]

 

[pinequick]

Please see the video below. And then stop defending Todd Pinkston. Ever again. Thanks.

Mr. Alligator Arms

 

[ookook]

I have to agree with Theisman (I think that was him) from the video: A great way to lose your job.

I might start every team meeting for the rest of the season playing that clip if I were the coach....

 

[Jedimaster21]

I think a lot of what the original poster says is very true. Pinkston was a solid contributor, and helped the Eagle's win a lot of games. He was also always very professional, and handled the negative media coverage with a lot of class. However, he never lived up to the expectations of a 2nd round pick, and he really wasn't that effective in many key games. I respect him very much as a person, but as a player, there is a reason that the Eagle's went in a different direction.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Hi Joe Segal.

Pinkston always seemed like a nice guy, a team player and a good teammate. He also showed a few flashes here and there. But he wouldn't start for 75% of the teams out there. He's a poor man's Ashlie Lelie.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

OK, I was surprised Joe took a stab at it...maybe others on the staff help him put together the email so maybe it wasn't just him or truly his thoughts. it's possible 3-4 people thought that and Joe went ahead and printed it.

I'm not defending Joe, he can clearly do it himself. Pinkston was a mediocre FF player and an OK #2WR in Philly but from what I understand he was great in the locker room and I think that's why Andy made those statements.

After having to deal with TO, I think seeing Pinkston go may have tugged at the coach some. Pinkston showed up, practiced, dealt with the media even when criticized, he was a model player and that's why Reid ultimately made those statements. He was on the team during a great run of 4 consecutive NFC Championship runs including a SB run...that has to count for something, no?

 

[Glatty]

the article said "great". That's the funny part. how can people not get that?!? Yes, Pinkston helped them win games, but can honestly dig that deep down and use the word "great" to describe his play?

I'm a giants fan and loved Hilliard, love Toomer, and a lot of other players who help(ed) us win games, but i wouldn't consider them "great" players - they're solid contributors.

 

[JimmyD]

Please see the video below. And then stop defending Todd Pinkston. Ever again. Thanks.

Mr. Alligator Arms

:X Good Stuff

 

[Ministry of Pain]

the article said "great". That's the funny part. how can people not get that?!? Yes, Pinkston helped them win games, but can honestly dig that deep down and use the word "great" to describe his play?I'm a giants fan and loved Hilliard, love Toomer, and a lot of other players who help(ed) us win games, but i wouldn't consider them "great" players - they're solid contributors.

7 great years...he never siad Pinkston played individually great for 7 years. Philly has had a nice run for 7 years...not last year so much.

 

[mrspree15]

Pinky was definitely over-criticized through his time in Philly. He was a good deep threat, not much else. It's not his fault that it took the Birds 406 years to realize they needed a real #1 WR. He got destroyed after the alligator arms incident, but he did take the hit here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8q3CY-hQc

Pinky isn't the first guy to alligator arm a ball and he won't be the last. I will miss him and Koy, mostly because of comedic value...good times, good times.

 

[deacon14]

Thanks for the feedback everybody. Both the good and the bad!

M.O.P. nailed it! Just as I'd have said, he didn't say he was great. That is clearly taking the quote out of context, as JB (or somebody on his staff) did as well. Reid said he had "seven great years" and he did. Youtube is great, thanks for the links.

 

[Mapmaker]

Now he's replaced by the Great underachiever Donte Stallworthless ... wow do the Eagles ever know WR talent!

Invinceable ....

 

[redman]

Quote Of The Day:

"Todd has had seven great years here for the Philadelphia Eagles. "There is no one that I have respected more than Todd, who has helped us win a lot of football games. We have decided to give him an opportunity to move on to another team where there was still time for him to latch on as a starter. I know he is anxious to find another situation and step in and contribute immediately."

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't. From a guy that runs around calling passionate boarders here "Tools" for sarcasm and heated interaction, he's certainly walking a tight rope of hypocrisy on this one. The pickings for quotes must have been pretty thin yesterday for him to resort to yet another pile-on Todd Pinkston (quite possibly the most unfairly maligned pro football player since the rise of fantasy football.)

Yeah, I know, Pinkston stunk the joint out in the Tampa Bay (NFC title) game! However, he did help the Eagles "win a lot of football games" just as Andy Reid conveyed. Anybody that watches and follows Philly games every week, knows that Todd was a much better blocker and much better at catching the ball in traffic than his country wide perception. He was pencil thin, his last name was easy to make fun of, and he was very mild-mannered. All these things made him an excellent target for ridicule. For the most part, his performance and contributions didn't. For a good stretch of time, you could count on Pinkston going deep on the very first play of the game AND HOOKING UP! I can't tell yah how many times I told people watching with me to key on Pinkston and it came through. Most notable was a home game in 2003 vs. the Saints. I was telling the ladies in my row, cuz we were down tight. A guy behind me in a Saints jersey, mouthed off laughing that he'd buy me beers all day if "that twig got open." Ha-ha, guess who was drinking more than usual? I also recall a Ravens preseason game, during the "Owens" season trying my same forecast. Only, this time, Ed Reed slid over on Pinky's side and it was T.O. who caught the opening play bomb. Wish I could link up the play. YES, it was Todd drawing coverage and helping the Birds succeed. Anyways, good luck Todd. As an Iggle faithful, I wish you the best.

Go ahead and flame away. I can handle it and pride myself on taking board yap as well as I dish it. I'm sure I just pasted my face to the dart board.

Any truth to the rumor that Todd had a bottom locker because his arms weren't long enough to reach the top ones?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Now he's replaced by the Great underachiever Donte Stallworthless ... wow do the Eagles ever know WR talent!Invinceable ....

That's a nice team you have in that dynasty league map...you should do well this season.

 

[Slinger]

Of all the WR's who has started for a single team for consecutive years Pinkston is the worst and I don't even know who's second.

 

[deacon14]

Is Pinky your brother? He is "unfairly maligned"??? Are you kidding me?

The term "alligator arms" was INVENTED for Pinkston.

I'll go through some of these one by one.Up first, MR ARGGGGGGGGGH, ROOOOOOOOOOOHR, LETSEATSOMEMETAL. Typically, Raider fan commentary and no I wasn't kidding. Seriously, how many Eagle games have you watched in entirety? Probably too busy catching up on pro wrestling during the 1pm games.

 

[deacon14]

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't.

Translation:"I like it when Joe makes fun of some players, but it isn't funny when he makes fun of my guy!"

Lighten up Francis.

Ummm, wrong! Joe's humor isn't limited to making fun of players. In fact, if you read his weekly editorial, it's not even limited to football.

 

[trader jake]

From PFT

Len P. sticks up for Todd Stinkston in a radio interview.

Classic!

 

[deacon14]

I respect him very much as a person, but as a player, there is a reason that the Eagle's went in a different direction.

And that reason is called - INJURY!

 

[deacon14]

Pinky was definitely over-criticized through his time in Philly. Pinky isn't the first guy to alligator arm a ball and he won't be the last.

Bingo, we have a winner! Anybody remember Ricky Watters alligator arm play in Philly? That guy was one of the toughest players eva! He never came off the field. I remember him being reeled off (after a MONSTER hit) when his toes were dragging and his eyes were glassy. The guy still wanted to take the next hit.

 

[redman]

I respect him very much as a person, but as a player, there is a reason that the Eagle's went in a different direction.

And that reason is called - INJURY!

.

 

[redman]

Pinky was definitely over-criticized through his time in Philly. Pinky isn't the first guy to alligator arm a ball and he won't be the last.

Bingo, we have a winner! Anybody remember Ricky Watters alligator arm play in Philly? That guy was one of the toughest players eva! He never came off the field. I remember him being reeled off (after a MONSTER hit) when his toes were dragging and his eyes were glassy. The guy still wanted to take the next hit.

So you're saying that Pinky was as tough as Watters? When was Pinky reeled off the field like Watters was?

 

[deacon14]

Pinky was definitely over-criticized through his time in Philly. Pinky isn't the first guy to alligator arm a ball and he won't be the last.

Bingo, we have a winner! Anybody remember Ricky Watters alligator arm play in Philly? That guy was one of the toughest players eva! He never came off the field. I remember him being reeled off (after a MONSTER hit) when his toes were dragging and his eyes were glassy. The guy still wanted to take the next hit.

So you're saying that Pinky was as tough as Watters? When was Pinky reeled off the field like Watters was?

No I'm not saying that. Where are you deriving that from? HELLoo.ooo! I'm reiterating what the quoted poster says, he wasn't the first to alligator arm and he won't be the last to alligator arm. FCS, it was one friggin' play! If you read my original post, I stated that he was much better in traffic than he's given credit for. In my best goober voice. "Why GollEEEE, thanks for the repeat link." Maybe if you link it a third time, it will somehow mean Pinky did it yet again. Crackin' up.....

 

[GroveDiesel]

I respect him very much as a person, but as a player, there is a reason that the Eagle's went in a different direction.

And that reason is called - INJURY!

If it is, the Eagles can expect to have an injury grievance filed against them.More likely it's the fact that Pinkston has never caught more than 60 balls in a season, averaged 43.5 catches in the 4 full years that he played, averaged just 3.5 TD receptions in those 4 seasons, gets jammed at the line too easily and just isn't good enough to justify paying him over a million dollars to be mediocre yet again.And contrary to what you keep saying, Pinkston was NOT very good across the middle. With his speed he was pretty good at getting downfield, but he was just too skinny and too skittish to be effective across the middle. And before you head in that direction, I live in the Philly area and have watched almost every single Eagles game since 2001.

 

[Alias]

Please see the video below. And then stop defending Todd Pinkston. Ever again. Thanks.

Mr. Alligator Arms

there's no crying in football

 

[deacon14]

From PFT

Len P. sticks up for Todd Stinkston in a radio interview.

Classic!

That was super! Many thanks for posting that link, I never heard that one before.

 

[trader jake]

From PFT

Len P. sticks up for Todd Stinkston in a radio interview.

Classic!

That was super! Many thanks for posting that link, I never heard that one before.

No prob."Let's move on or move out. LET'S MOVE ON OR MOVE OUT!?"

 

[deacon14]

From PFT

Len P. sticks up for Todd Stinkston in a radio interview.

Classic!

That was super! Many thanks for posting that link, I never heard that one before.

No prob."Let's move on or move out. LET'S MOVE ON OR MOVE OUT!?"

It's one big happy family (me, Pinky AND Len P.)

 

[ren hoek]

Please see the video below. And then stop defending Todd Pinkston. Ever again. Thanks.

Mr. Alligator Arms

I'm gonna miss Mike Patrick on the broadcasts. :(

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Quote Of The Day:

"Todd has had seven great years here for the Philadelphia Eagles. "There is no one that I have respected more than Todd, who has helped us win a lot of football games. We have decided to give him an opportunity to move on to another team where there was still time for him to latch on as a starter. I know he is anxious to find another situation and step in and contribute immediately."

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't. From a guy that runs around calling passionate boarders here "Tools" for sarcasm and heated interaction, he's certainly walking a tight rope of hypocrisy on this one. The pickings for quotes must have been pretty thin yesterday for him to resort to yet another pile-on Todd Pinkston (quite possibly the most unfairly maligned pro football player since the rise of fantasy football.)

Yeah, I know, Pinkston stunk the joint out in the Tampa Bay (NFC title) game! However, he did help the Eagles "win a lot of football games" just as Andy Reid conveyed. Anybody that watches and follows Philly games every week, knows that Todd was a much better blocker and much better at catching the ball in traffic than his country wide perception. He was pencil thin, his last name was easy to make fun of, and he was very mild-mannered. All these things made him an excellent target for ridicule. For the most part, his performance and contributions didn't. For a good stretch of time, you could count on Pinkston going deep on the very first play of the game AND HOOKING UP! I can't tell yah how many times I told people watching with me to key on Pinkston and it came through. Most notable was a home game in 2003 vs. the Saints. I was telling the ladies in my row, cuz we were down tight. A guy behind me in a Saints jersey, mouthed off laughing that he'd buy me beers all day if "that twig got open." Ha-ha, guess who was drinking more than usual? I also recall a Ravens preseason game, during the "Owens" season trying my same forecast. Only, this time, Ed Reed slid over on Pinky's side and it was T.O. who caught the opening play bomb. Wish I could link up the play. YES, it was Todd drawing coverage and helping the Birds succeed. Anyways, good luck Todd. As an Iggle faithful, I wish you the best.

Go ahead and flame away. I can handle it and pride myself on taking board yap as well as I dish it. I'm sure I just pasted my face to the dart board.

:applause:I'm pretty much with you here. Pinkston's been ragged on across the nation and is pretty much hated by his own (well, former) city. Truth is though that Pinkston really isn't that bad as a number 2. As a number one he sucks, he's just not good enough. That failure doesn't really help him in shaking off the ridicule. But as a 2 or 3 he can get the job done. He's a real team player too, and he's dealt with all the insults like a real pro. I'll be sad to see him go.

EDIT: And in watching that video, how has no one mentioned Brandon Lloyd yet? He had a play where he ducked from the ball. The nation doesn't hate him for it. No matter what, one play will never make me turn my back on a player.

 

[deacon14]

TheLastDispatch is very astute! Well put and thanks for the support.

 

[mrspree15]

I respect him very much as a person, but as a player, there is a reason that the Eagle's went in a different direction.

And that reason is called - INJURY!

If it is, the Eagles can expect to have an injury grievance filed against them.More likely it's the fact that Pinkston has never caught more than 60 balls in a season, averaged 43.5 catches in the 4 full years that he played, averaged just 3.5 TD receptions in those 4 seasons, gets jammed at the line too easily and just isn't good enough to justify paying him over a million dollars to be mediocre yet again.And contrary to what you keep saying, Pinkston was NOT very good across the middle. With his speed he was pretty good at getting downfield, but he was just too skinny and too skittish to be effective across the middle. And before you head in that direction, I live in the Philly area and have watched almost every single Eagles game since 2001.

Yes Pinkston has all those flaws as a player, but Reid always brought him back and started him. At no point during Pinkston's career did I think he was going to be cut/traded, until I heard about how he wasn't recovering from his injury. I'd think if you lived in Philly you would have realized that no matter how bad Pinkston looked he would always have a job w/ Reid, that's the impression I always got.

 

[Philly Sports Dude]

Please see the video below. And then stop defending Todd Pinkston. Ever again. Thanks.

Mr. Alligator Arms

I don't even have to open the youtube link to tell what game this is from. The Sunday night Washington game.

 

[jafo]

Please see the video below. And then stop defending Todd Pinkston. Ever again. Thanks.

Mr. Alligator Arms

This is a great example of why Pinkston sucks. A real NFL player would have at least attempted to make that catch. Pinkston is trash, and the Eagles finally threw him away.

 

[QUEZILLA]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

 

[Philly Sports Dude]

Quote Of The Day:

"Todd has had seven great years here for the Philadelphia Eagles. "There is no one that I have respected more than Todd, who has helped us win a lot of football games. We have decided to give him an opportunity to move on to another team where there was still time for him to latch on as a starter. I know he is anxious to find another situation and step in and contribute immediately."

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't. From a guy that runs around calling passionate boarders here "Tools" for sarcasm and heated interaction, he's certainly walking a tight rope of hypocrisy on this one. The pickings for quotes must have been pretty thin yesterday for him to resort to yet another pile-on Todd Pinkston (quite possibly the most unfairly maligned pro football player since the rise of fantasy football.)

Yeah, I know, Pinkston stunk the joint out in the Tampa Bay (NFC title) game! However, he did help the Eagles "win a lot of football games" just as Andy Reid conveyed. Anybody that watches and follows Philly games every week, knows that Todd was a much better blocker and much better at catching the ball in traffic than his country wide perception. He was pencil thin, his last name was easy to make fun of, and he was very mild-mannered. All these things made him an excellent target for ridicule. For the most part, his performance and contributions didn't. For a good stretch of time, you could count on Pinkston going deep on the very first play of the game AND HOOKING UP! I can't tell yah how many times I told people watching with me to key on Pinkston and it came through. Most notable was a home game in 2003 vs. the Saints. I was telling the ladies in my row, cuz we were down tight. A guy behind me in a Saints jersey, mouthed off laughing that he'd buy me beers all day if "that twig got open." Ha-ha, guess who was drinking more than usual? I also recall a Ravens preseason game, during the "Owens" season trying my same forecast. Only, this time, Ed Reed slid over on Pinky's side and it was T.O. who caught the opening play bomb. Wish I could link up the play. YES, it was Todd drawing coverage and helping the Birds succeed. Anyways, good luck Todd. As an Iggle faithful, I wish you the best.

Go ahead and flame away. I can handle it and pride myself on taking board yap as well as I dish it. I'm sure I just pasted my face to the dart board.

You've been right?

 

[ddog9876]

Quote Of The Day:

"Todd has had seven great years here for the Philadelphia Eagles. "There is no one that I have respected more than Todd, who has helped us win a lot of football games. We have decided to give him an opportunity to move on to another team where there was still time for him to latch on as a starter. I know he is anxious to find another situation and step in and contribute immediately."

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't. From a guy that runs around calling passionate boarders here "Tools" for sarcasm and heated interaction, he's certainly walking a tight rope of hypocrisy on this one. The pickings for quotes must have been pretty thin yesterday for him to resort to yet another pile-on Todd Pinkston (quite possibly the most unfairly maligned pro football player since the rise of fantasy football.)

Yeah, I know, Pinkston stunk the joint out in the Tampa Bay (NFC title) game! However, he did help the Eagles "win a lot of football games" just as Andy Reid conveyed. Anybody that watches and follows Philly games every week, knows that Todd was a much better blocker and much better at catching the ball in traffic than his country wide perception. He was pencil thin, his last name was easy to make fun of, and he was very mild-mannered. All these things made him an excellent target for ridicule. For the most part, his performance and contributions didn't. For a good stretch of time, you could count on Pinkston going deep on the very first play of the game AND HOOKING UP! I can't tell yah how many times I told people watching with me to key on Pinkston and it came through. Most notable was a home game in 2003 vs. the Saints. I was telling the ladies in my row, cuz we were down tight. A guy behind me in a Saints jersey, mouthed off laughing that he'd buy me beers all day if "that twig got open." Ha-ha, guess who was drinking more than usual? I also recall a Ravens preseason game, during the "Owens" season trying my same forecast. Only, this time, Ed Reed slid over on Pinky's side and it was T.O. who caught the opening play bomb. Wish I could link up the play. YES, it was Todd drawing coverage and helping the Birds succeed. Anyways, good luck Todd. As an Iggle faithful, I wish you the best.

Go ahead and flame away. I can handle it and pride myself on taking board yap as well as I dish it. I'm sure I just pasted my face to the dart board.

Are you a man or woman?

 

[deacon14]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Here we go again! Do you guys read? Andy Reid didn't say he was a great NFL player. He was emotional about cutting a class-act, professional player who played for him throughout a great run. He said, he had "seven great years here." There is a HUGE difference! Shewizz!

 

[deacon14]

Are you a man or woman?

Using my Sandler sales training on reversing, why is that important to you?

 

[Joe Bryant]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

 

[deacon14]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

 

[Joe Bryant]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

 

[deacon14]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

Hi Joe, I'll answer your direct question. Will you address my real concerns? Statistically speaking, I don't think you can call any of Todd Pinkston's seasons great. I think you can toss his rookie year (learning the West Coast Offense) and last season (on the sidelines due to injury) as great years. In terms of a valued role player participating as an integral and vital piece of the puzzle on a winning team, I think ALL the years in between were great years. The guy was a serviceable #2. He was a viable deep threat. I don't have the stats right in front of me, but I think he was a top (or very close) the NFL in yards per catch a few years back. He was an underrated blocker and an underrated receiver in traffic. I'm repeating myself on those points. He was a consumate professional, a great teammate, taught the younger receivers, and never drew attention to himself...even when the media begged him too. In the age of "me, me, me" instant gratification, I'd say that is pretty great! I think it's legitimate to also say it was great that he afforded the Eagles the ability to spend the big bux in other areas to build their brand of winning football. You and I both know that there are many little idiosyncrasies that can make an NFL player's (experience with a team) great. So, directly his 2nd through 6th years were great in the context that Reid meant it! For those years I've given you as un-great, I'll bet he was a completely dedicated rook and in the 99th percentile, as injured players go, last season as well.Now, I've made suggestions that you were out of character, boardering on hypocritical, and that your email caught me as surprising. Can you address those? Is it really that imperative to get a two second smirk out of the real "tools" at the expense of a stand up guy like Pinkston? Most of the pile on gang doesn't have a clue about his real value to the Eagles, other than an ESPN highlight or the stats in any paper.

I'm all over your "Random Shots." I love it and read it every week. Uh oh, I feel a half quote coming. Kidding... And, for 99.5% of the time now, I enjoyed the quote of the day bit as well. Again, I'm not saying you can't offend people sometimes. When you're a journalist, it comes with the territory. I'm saying you go out of your way to stop boarders from doing the exact same thing. To me, you just tip-toed on the same chalk lines.

Deac

 

[Joe Bryant]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

Hi Joe, I'll answer your direct question. Will you address my real concerns? Statistically speaking, I don't think you can call any of Todd Pinkston's seasons great. I think you can toss his rookie year (learning the West Coast Offense) and last season (on the sidelines due to injury) as great years. In terms of a valued role player participating as an integral and vital piece of the puzzle on a winning team, I think ALL the years in between were great years. The guy was a serviceable #2. He was a viable deep threat. I don't have the stats right in front of me, but I think he was a top (or very close) the NFL in yards per catch a few years back. He was an underrated blocker and an underrated receiver in traffic. I'm repeating myself on those points. He was a consumate professional, a great teammate, taught the younger receivers, and never drew attention to himself...even when the media begged him too. In the age of "me, me, me" instant gratification, I'd say that is pretty great! I think it's legitimate to also say it was great that he afforded the Eagles the ability to spend the big bux in other areas to build their brand of winning football. You and I both know that there are many little idiosyncrasies that can make an NFL player's (experience with a team) great. So, directly his 2nd through 6th years were great in the context that Reid said it! I'll bet he was a completely dedicated rook and in the 99th percentile, as injured players go, last season (for those years I'll give you as un-great too.)Now, I've made suggestions that you were out of character, boardering on hypocritical, and that your email caught me as surprising. Can you address those? Is it really that imperative to get a two second smirk out of the real "tools" at the expense of a stand up guy like Pinkston? Most of the pile on gang doesn't have a clue about his real value to the Eagles, other than an ESPN highlight or the stats in any paper. I'm all over your "Random Shots." I love it and read it every week. Uh oh, I feel a half quote coming. Kidding... And, for 99.5% of the time now, I enjoyed the quote of the day bit as well.

Again, I'm not saying you can't offend people sometimes. When you're a journalist, it comes with the territory. I'm saying you go out of your way to stop boarders from doing the exact same thing. To me, you just tip-toed on the same chalk lines.

Deac

Hi deac,Thanks. We're saying the same thing then. I don't see how any of his seasons could be called great. Reid said he had seven great seasons. I disagreed.

That's really it. I guess this proves you can always step on someone's toes no matter how lightly you tread but honestly I felt I was being pretty nice there. I didn't say he was terrible. I didn't make fun of the alligator arms. I didn't go to a ton of material that I easily could have. I questioned that he had seven great years.

Apparently most people agree with me.

I try to be cool with people. But I'll never get to the point when I don't question a guy saying Todd Pinkston had seven great years. And I absolutely hope no one here on this board ever holds back questioning a guy that would say Todd Pinkston had seven great years. Disagreeing and discussing is the lifeblood of this board.

Thanks for the discussion though. It's cool you're passionate about the situation.

J