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Raiders & Cowboys - Still Considered a Premium Coaching Gig? (1 Viewer)

Will the Cowboys & Raiders be the last to fill their coaching vacancies? If so, in which order?

  • No, still premium destinations for coaches.

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Yes, Raiders will be the last to fill their vacancy.

    Votes: 11 36.7%
  • Yes, Cowboys will be the last to fill their vacancy.

    Votes: 13 43.3%

  • Total voters
    30

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Just saw the Bears landed Ben Johnson.

Cowboys & Raiders are both franchises with storied histories but problematic owners.

Will the Cowboys & Raiders be the last to fill their coaching vacancies? If so, in which order?
 
Just saw the Bears landed Ben Johnson.

Cowboys & Raiders are both franchises with storied histories but problematic owners.

Will the Cowboys & Raiders be the last to fill their coaching vacancies? If so, in which order?

Bears got Ben Johnson?

They will not be the last, but their stars have dimmed. I don't know the order, but I think I know the quality. It'll go Raiders (if they cough up the cash) and then the Cowboys.

Raiders
Cowboys

Nobody wants to work for a guy holding press conferences outside the locker room after the game where he questions or approves of the coaches' decisions.

The Jets should be here as a franchise with a very problematic ownership situation that will deter guys from coming.
 
I think the Cowboys job is pretty appealing. How many teams have multiple elite players? Not many, Dallas has at least 2 in Lamb and Parsons who are both still young, and they have a good QB. some DB talent, and its a strong fanbase.

I thought it was every bit as (maybe more) appealing than the Bears job. Frankly, I think Jerry Jones is a better owner than the McCaskeys.

The Raiders job is really unappealing. You basically get Brock Bowers, maybe Maxx Crosby, a terrible owner (who has Tom Brady in his ear), and you have KC/LAC/Den in your division who all made the playoffs and are set at QB.

Jets are pretty bad too, but they have more to work with than the Raiders, and a better division. The only possible worse issue there is if ownership is dead set on staying with Rodgers.

Of the remaining jobs I'd rank them:
Cowboys
Saints
Jaguars
Jets
Raiders
 
The Jets should be here as a franchise with a very problematic ownership situation that will deter guys from coming.
This is fair - I guess I was viewing this through the lens of “tradition of success”, so the Jets didn’t really come to mind what with their 1 SB win, 56 years ago (‘69)

No offense.

Raiders with 3, last one was 42 years ago (1983), Cowboys with 5, last one 30 years ago; so none really “recent”, but for a long time those destinations were considered premium landing spots for head coaches.

but yeah - hard to see the Jets not being the last to land a coach now that you mention it.
 
The Raiders job is a bit of an unknown right now because of Brady...I think his presence has the potential to make it far more appealing than it has been but with their current QB situation it is still very dicey.

The Cowboys job is still very appealing...first of all it is the Cowboys...you also have a roster that could get good very quickly...one other thing...for all the ragging on Jerry he probably gives his HC's the longest rope in the NFL (outside of the Steelers but those HC's are successful) and doesn't fire them as quickly as most teams do.
 
Frankly I don't understand why the Jaguars job is not the clear #1 choice, Franchise QB in place, a good mix of veteran talent and young stars on offense and defense, and an owner who has proven willing to spend. Sure, Trent Baalke is an obvious negative, but how safe is his job really?
 
Will the Cowboys & Raiders be the last to fill their coaching vacancies? If so, in which order?
Being last has little to do with desirability. Teams still in playoffs can't have their coaches hired. Todd Monken and Joe Brady are strong candidates in this cycle and Kingsbury is probably getting some attention too.
 
Frankly I don't understand why the Jaguars job is not the clear #1 choice, Franchise QB in place, a good mix of veteran talent and young stars on offense and defense, and an owner who has proven willing to spend. Sure, Trent Baalke is an obvious negative, but how safe is his job really?
Lawrence is not a franchise QB. Plus have to live in Jacksonville.
 
Will the Cowboys & Raiders be the last to fill their coaching vacancies? If so, in which order?
Being last has little to do with desirability. Teams still in playoffs can't have their coaches hired. Todd Monken and Joe Brady are strong candidates in this cycle and Kingsbury is probably getting some attention too.
Agree with this take but I think this thread quickly and rightfully switched to “least desirable coaching job” instead of “last to fill”.
And we know it’s our raiders :(
 
Seems way too high.

They’re in cap hell and stuck with Carr. Falcons, & Panthers on the rise, and the Bucs are always competitive.

The near future seems kind of bleak.
Best front office counts for a lot. I also think its the easiest division. They may have won the division this year if they'd stayed healthy, there is no clear-cut top team going forward.

I think Carr is fine. He was playing as well as anyone until his top-2 WRs went down. He's at least a league average starter, don't know that we can say that about all the other QBs in the division.
 
Will the Cowboys & Raiders be the last to fill their coaching vacancies? If so, in which order?
Being last has little to do with desirability. Teams still in playoffs can't have their coaches hired. Todd Monken and Joe Brady are strong candidates in this cycle and Kingsbury is probably getting some attention too.
That’s true.

But that said, Ben Johnson was considered by most to be the top candidate, and numerous outlets reported that the Raiders were making him their top priority. That was partly what was behind this poll.

You’re spot on that coaches still in the playoffs aren’t in the picture yet.
 
He's at least a league average starter, don't know that we can say that about all the other QBs in the division.
Young really elevated his game this year. Pennix sure looked the part most of the time. And Mayfield has more than proven himself capable.

I have Carr as the 4th best QB in the division, and I’m not sure how much help he’ll be able to get with their cap situation.
 
He's at least a league average starter, don't know that we can say that about all the other QBs in the division.
Young really elevated his game this year. Pennix sure looked the part most of the time. And Mayfield has more than proven himself capable.

I have Carr as the 4th best QB in the division, and I’m not sure how much help he’ll be able to get with their cap situation.
Carr is kind of the stable decent qb that keeps you out of the top 5 qb lotto but isn't going to be good enough to make a Super Bowl run. Long term I agree and maybe even next season agree that he is probably already 4th in this division. A good sign for a competitive NFC South moving forward.
 
I think you have to take storied tradition and throw it out the widow. A coaching gig is more about current franchise state.
I agree. QB/draft capital/other talent/cap space/owner meddling or spending all matter more than the Autumn Wind is a Raider and Emmitt Smith's HOF laden teams.
Names like Landry, Madden, Jimmy Johnson, Parcells, Switzer, Gruden, Flores, Shanahan, etc. as well.
 
Worst job opening and not even close.
I might award a tie with Oakland.
Raiders job has some obvious issues and not sure what's the bigger issue, solving the QB issue or the division.

But I feel like Mark Davis is stepping aside and letting Brady run point and if he does not veer of that course I think things are going to look a lot different soon. Just needed an adult in the room. They have the second most projected cap space, not really stuck on any contracts and needing to spend a year or two fixing the cap. It's a nice clean slate with some foundation pieces in place.
 
Cowboys will be last. They are working off a different list than other teams, so there's no rush.

Jerry will announce it when he feels the timing is right for the most clicks. Labor Day weekend sounds about right. :laugh:
 
I think the Cowboys job is going to more prestigious than the Raiders. I'm sure there are a TON of people that will take a multi-million job.
 
I think the Cowboys job is going to more prestigious than the Raiders. I'm sure there are a TON of people that will take a multi-million job.
Maybe. But you're going to a franchise where you have little opportunity for any real control of the roster and ownership that makes mind boggling decisions on player contracts so you are likely going to be dealing with consistent levels of cap nightmare as long as you coach there.

Mark Davis may seem trigger happy after McDaniels & Pierce (I personally do not think that's the case but that's for another thread) but he gives his football operations staff wide latitude to run the franchise. He doesn't see himself as the GM. The Raiders also have one of the best stadiums in the league and, like the Cowboys, play in a state with no income tax which can a big draw during player acquisition.
 
I think the Cowboys job is going to more prestigious than the Raiders. I'm sure there are a TON of people that will take a multi-million job.
Maybe. But you're going to a franchise where you have little opportunity for any real control of the roster and ownership that makes mind boggling decisions on player contracts so you are likely going to be dealing with consistent levels of cap nightmare as long as you coach there.

Mark Davis may seem trigger happy after McDaniels & Pierce (I personally do not think that's the case but that's for another thread) but he gives his football operations staff wide latitude to run the franchise. He doesn't see himself as the GM. The Raiders also have one of the best stadiums in the league and, like the Cowboys, play in a state with no income tax which can a big draw during player acquisition.
Good points but Dallas still has a large fan base and is valued in the billions. I imagine that working for the Dallas Cowboys is like being accepted to Harvard. It's something you can point to that looks nice on your resume. Mike McCarthy was getting 8 mil/year. While I can't find the figures on Pierce's contract, it wouldn't surprise me if it was less.
 
I think the Cowboys job is going to more prestigious than the Raiders. I'm sure there are a TON of people that will take a multi-million job.
Maybe. But you're going to a franchise where you have little opportunity for any real control of the roster and ownership that makes mind boggling decisions on player contracts so you are likely going to be dealing with consistent levels of cap nightmare as long as you coach there.

Mark Davis may seem trigger happy after McDaniels & Pierce (I personally do not think that's the case but that's for another thread) but he gives his football operations staff wide latitude to run the franchise. He doesn't see himself as the GM. The Raiders also have one of the best stadiums in the league and, like the Cowboys, play in a state with no income tax which can a big draw during player acquisition.
Good points but Dallas still has a large fan base and is valued in the billions. I imagine that working for the Dallas Cowboys is like being accepted to Harvard. It's something you can point to that looks nice on your resume. Mike McCarthy was getting 8 mil/year. While I can't find the figures on Pierce's contract, it wouldn't surprise me if it was less.
McCarthy is a Super Bowl winning coach with a career 62% winning percentage in 288 games over 18 seasons.

AP had never been a HC in the NFL or college. His total NFL coaching resume is one season as linebackers coach for Las Vegas.

I sure hope he wasn't making as much as McCarthy.

Gruden got a 10 year, $100 million dollar contract. IIRC it was also fully guaranteed.
 
Probably doesn't matter if the Cowboys are a premier job or not because Jerruh doesn't want a premier HC. He wants a coach who will be grateful for the opportunity and not make waves.

You're going to see Brian Schottenheimer or, if Cowboys fans are lucky, Kellen Moore.
 
As a Bills fan who watched first hand the mismanagement of the team in founder Ralph Wilson’s final years the number one consideration for any candidate should be ownership.

Because if that ain’t right you are toast.
 
Maybe it doesn’t matter to the coaching candidates, but if I were a potential coach for Las Vegas I would really hate to be in a position where most home games feel like neutral site games.
 
2025 cap space (according to Spotrac):
LV = 94 M
Dallas = -4.333 M
NO = -59 M

The right GM could give the LV coach something to work with. I don't understand the appeal of NO since I am not a fan of any of the QBs on their roster and they still have to dump contracts.
 
2025 cap space (according to Spotrac):
LV = 94 M
Dallas = -4.333 M
NO = -59 M

The right GM could give the LV coach something to work with. I don't understand the appeal of NO since I am not a fan of any of the QBs on their roster and they still have to dump contracts.
I think the appeal of NO is quality ownership and front office. None of Las Vegas, NY Jets, or Jacksonville have that. Dallas really doesn't either, but they have BY FAR the most roster talent. That (and an easier division) is my logic in having New Orleans 2nd behind Dallas. Jacksonville also has an easy division, but I don't feel that Lawrence is better than Carr (who I feel is underrated) and Trent Baalke is as bad a GM as there is in the NFL.
 
2025 cap space (according to Spotrac):
LV = 94 M
Dallas = -4.333 M
NO = -59 M

The right GM could give the LV coach something to work with. I don't understand the appeal of NO since I am not a fan of any of the QBs on their roster and they still have to dump contracts.
I think the appeal of NO is quality ownership and front office. None of Las Vegas, NY Jets, or Jacksonville have that. Dallas really doesn't either, but they have BY FAR the most roster talent. That (and an easier division) is my logic in having New Orleans 2nd behind Dallas. Jacksonville also has an easy division, but I don't feel that Lawrence is better than Carr (who I feel is underrated) and Trent Baalke is as bad a GM as there is in the NFL.
Other than the terrible hair cut. I like Mark Davis over Jerry Jones or Woody Johnson. He is not going to veto trades for players because their Madden score is too low. I think an owner that doesn't interfere with football operations is a plus.
 
2025 cap space (according to Spotrac):
LV = 94 M
Dallas = -4.333 M
NO = -59 M

The right GM could give the LV coach something to work with. I don't understand the appeal of NO since I am not a fan of any of the QBs on their roster and they still have to dump contracts.
I think the appeal of NO is quality ownership and front office. None of Las Vegas, NY Jets, or Jacksonville have that. Dallas really doesn't either, but they have BY FAR the most roster talent. That (and an easier division) is my logic in having New Orleans 2nd behind Dallas. Jacksonville also has an easy division, but I don't feel that Lawrence is better than Carr (who I feel is underrated) and Trent Baalke is as bad a GM as there is in the NFL.
Other than the terrible hair cut. I like Mark Davis over Jerry Jones or Woody Johnson. He is not going to veto trades for players because their Madden score is too low. I think an owner that doesn't interfere with football operations is a plus.
Agreed. Even though, as a Raiders fan, I’m down on the team as a destination for a top coach due to our horrible roster (except for Bowers, Maxx and a couple others) and 20 years of a bad drafting track record. I agree entirely that when it comes to those 3 owners listed, that Mark Davis is the lesser of the 3 evils.
 
Cowboys will be last. They are working off a different list than other teams, so there's no rush.

Jerry will announce it when he feels the timing is right for the most clicks. Labor Day weekend sounds about right. :laugh:
It’s Kellen Moore’s job. The only reason the Cowboys HC is safe is because Jerry doesn’t like paying a coach who isn’t working for him.
 
The names and legacies of both are elite.
The state of affairs regarding both teams over the past 25 years are poor. Only those, like myself, old enough to remember the glory days could theoretically consider these jobs “elite”.
To anyone under 50, the idea that either job is coveted is a fever dream.
 

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