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The Oakland Raiders fired coach Hue Jackson on Tuesday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

New Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie will be introduced Tuesday. He becomes the first Raiders executive to hold the title of GM, and sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen on Monday that McKenzie was contemplating whether he should bring in his own coach, despite the fact he shared the same agent (Kennard McGuire) as Jackson.

McGuire had denied that Jackson would be let go.

The 48-year-old McKenzie will fulfill many of the duties handled by iconic owner Al Davis until his Oct. 8 death at age 82.

Jackson handled many personnel decisions in recent months after Davis' death. Jackson, who just completed his first season as head coach after being elevated from offensive coordinator, pulled off the highly debated October trade for quarterback Carson Palmer after starter Jason Campbell broke his collarbone.

McKenzie will take over his new job with the Raiders immediately, meaning he will leave the defending Super Bowl champion Packers (15-1) before they open defense of their title. The NFC's No. 1 seed hosts the New York Giants on Sunday.

Oakland has gone without someone in a true GM role since Davis' longtime senior assistant, Bruce Allen, departed for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2003 season. Allen had been a top personnel executive for Davis from 1996-2003. Davis' son, Mark, is now making many top decisions.

Oakland went 8-8 this season after a promising 7-4 start, ending its playoff chances by losing four of the final five games. The Raiders have missed the postseason for the last nine years since losing in the Super Bowl after the 2002 season

 
It had been reported for a few days that Reggie McKenzie wasn't set on keeping Jackson, mainly because he felt Jackson made a really poor decision in giving up so much for Carson Palmer.

We discussed the possibility in Vegas during the FBG staff get together and most felt Jackson deserved to keep his job.

I wonder if this also colors the way McKenzie views Palmer. If he really was so dead set on the trade being a mistake, you have to think he's considering at least the possibility of going in another direction at QB.

Could you imagine if the Raiders gave up all that trade value for Palmer only to go for a youth movement under new management?

 
As a Bengals fan, I'm sad to see Hue Jackson go.

As a side note, I sure hope Mike Brown waits until Hue has a job if he suddenly changes his mind about not having a GM.

-QG

 
'Jason Wood said:
It had been reported for a few days that Reggie McKenzie wasn't set on keeping Jackson, mainly because he felt Jackson made a really poor decision in giving up so much for Carson Palmer.
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While most would agree he gave up way too much for Palmer, should a HC be fired over that? This is why teams should have GM's. Can't expect a HC to make great GM moves. Al Davis dies and they still burn through the coaches. Hoping they get some stability at some point.
 
Probably a decent chance he pulls someone from the Packer staff...(or some coordinator spots get filled that way).

Philbin (before his recent loss) had just interviewed for a few HC jobs.

Capers has HC experience.

Winston Moss is an up and comer, but has not been a full coordinator yet. This one would not surprise me though.

Darren Perry (if Moss goes, Id guess he may want Perry as his DC...just a hunch there)

Kevin Greene...I don't think it will be long before he is wanted in a bigger role than just LB coach.

Tom Clements...interviewed for the Penn State job...many think this guy will be a head coach or coordinator at some point. Rodgers can never say enough about the guy.

 
'Dr. Awesome said:
'Jason Wood said:
It had been reported for a few days that Reggie McKenzie wasn't set on keeping Jackson, mainly because he felt Jackson made a really poor decision in giving up so much for Carson Palmer.
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While most would agree he gave up way too much for Palmer, should a HC be fired over that? This is why teams should have GM's. Can't expect a HC to make great GM moves. Al Davis dies and they still burn through the coaches. Hoping they get some stability at some point.
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I don't think it was just that. Hue Jackson clearly got an outsized say in personnel decisions following the death of Al Davis. Following the season he continued to thump his chest and assert that he was going to have a strong hand in the organization in this regard. If you're a new GM coming into the situation it's tough enough inheriting an existing coach. It's impossible if you're coming in as a GM with an existing coach who basically thinks he should be doing your job. There really was no choice.-QG
 
'butcher boy said:
Are we sure Al is dead?
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Word has it that his will states that whoever is coach is to be fired within 6 months of death and whoever gets hired must be fired before 2 complete seasons. The Raiders are all about tradition.Just win baby...or fire the coach.
 
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'Jason Wood said:
It had been reported for a few days that Reggie McKenzie wasn't set on keeping Jackson, mainly because he felt Jackson made a really poor decision in giving up so much for Carson Palmer.We discussed the possibility in Vegas during the FBG staff get together and most felt Jackson deserved to keep his job.I wonder if this also colors the way McKenzie views Palmer. If he really was so dead set on the trade being a mistake, you have to think he's considering at least the possibility of going in another direction at QB.Could you imagine if the Raiders gave up all that trade value for Palmer only to go for a youth movement under new management?
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This team doesn't need a youth movement. They needed a lobotomy, which was firing the HC who allowed a record setting year for penalties. Palmer is perfectly fine as the starting QB. Get some continuity from their skill players and their offense will be fine. OAK reminds me a lot of the niners after 2010. They have a lot of very good pieces and with a good off season where they make smart personnel decisions and hire a good coach, they should be able to make a lot of noise. Getting a Harbaugh is asking a lot, but even a two game improvement in the win column is likely to take the division. Granted, the work from 8 to 10 wins is exponentially harder than 6 to 8, but the Raiders, personnel wise, aren't far.
 
Nice to see them get a real GM. Too bad he dumps a decent coach and continues the wake of HC bodies piled behind the franchise. Continuity is a big factor in creating a good, stable franchise. He'd better be hiring a very good head coach to replace Hue because if this team goes 4-12 next year, only the guys with huge Raiders shield tattoos will be attending games. Los Angeles bound?

 
As a Raider fan I'm all for Hue Jackson's firing. I wasn't all that happy when he was promoted to Head Coach in the first place. McKenzie is wasting no time in turning the Oakland Raiders organization around. :thumbup:

 
'krsone21 said:
As a Raider fan I'm all for Hue Jackson's firing. I wasn't all that happy when he was promoted to Head Coach in the first place. McKenzie is wasting no time in turning the Oakland Raiders organization around. :thumbup:
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He has had 2 pretty darn good mentors in Wolf and Thompson.
 
He may have been a too big headed but talk about a laughable move. Hes the first coach theyve had thats shown some potential since Gruden. So much for some continuity.

 
'QuizGuy66 said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
'Jason Wood said:
It had been reported for a few days that Reggie McKenzie wasn't set on keeping Jackson, mainly because he felt Jackson made a really poor decision in giving up so much for Carson Palmer.
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While most would agree he gave up way too much for Palmer, should a HC be fired over that? This is why teams should have GM's. Can't expect a HC to make great GM moves. Al Davis dies and they still burn through the coaches. Hoping they get some stability at some point.
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I don't think it was just that. Hue Jackson clearly got an outsized say in personnel decisions following the death of Al Davis. Following the season he continued to thump his chest and assert that he was going to have a strong hand in the organization in this regard. If you're a new GM coming into the situation it's tough enough inheriting an existing coach. It's impossible if you're coming in as a GM with an existing coach who basically thinks he should be doing your job. There really was no choice.-QG
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This. While I was a fan of what Hue did for the offense last year (went from 31st in scoring to 9th in scoring) and liked his aggressive play calling, rumors are he was maybe getting too big for his britches and might have lost some of the locker room re: palmer trade and cutting Hagan and signing Housh, but hard to say. I would have liked to have seen him with one more season to prove himself and maintain continuity, but with the GM timing and Hue's personality, probably wouldn't have worked.
 
Laughing. Mckenzie is going to have to work miracles to keep his job, building that team without 3 of his high draft picks the next two years.

 
'shadyridr said:
He may have been a too big headed but talk about a laughable move. Hes the first coach theyve had thats shown some potential since Gruden. So much for some continuity.
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People here were saying the same thing about Cable. I think it's a great move. This team just shattered the record for most penalties and collapsed mid-season. Getting rid of any staff from the old Raiders is a positive IMO.
 
'Jason Wood said:
It had been reported for a few days that Reggie McKenzie wasn't set on keeping Jackson, mainly because he felt Jackson made a really poor decision in giving up so much for Carson Palmer.We discussed the possibility in Vegas during the FBG staff get together and most felt Jackson deserved to keep his job.I wonder if this also colors the way McKenzie views Palmer. If he really was so dead set on the trade being a mistake, you have to think he's considering at least the possibility of going in another direction at QB.Could you imagine if the Raiders gave up all that trade value for Palmer only to go for a youth movement under new management?
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You'd have to wonder if he's going to attempt to bring in Matt Flynn. They've passed each other in the hall of 1265 Lombardi avenue for years now.
 
'domvin said:
Laughing. Mckenzie is going to have to work miracles to keep his job, building that team without 3 of his high draft picks the next two years.
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He learned from the master. Ted Thompson. Ron Wolf was instrumental in bringing McKenzie in. You are going to see a slow building process as people are weeded out. Whole new era there and the Raiders probably got the single best GM available. The Packers organization truly valued him. I'd assume he's going to start off by trading back and back and back while this team fills in the roster. Character will be placed at a premium. What I remember about the early years of Thompson (and McKenzie) was the "throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks mentality" and the emphasis on character. Paid off in spades and I'd imagine McKenzie follows a similar philosophy.
 
It's pointless to react one way or the other until we learn who the new coach is.

Jackson was innovative on offense but he takes the bullet for not realizing Chuck Bresnahan was the worst DC in football.

 
'QuizGuy66 said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
'Jason Wood said:
It had been reported for a few days that Reggie McKenzie wasn't set on keeping Jackson, mainly because he felt Jackson made a really poor decision in giving up so much for Carson Palmer.
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While most would agree he gave up way too much for Palmer, should a HC be fired over that? This is why teams should have GM's. Can't expect a HC to make great GM moves. Al Davis dies and they still burn through the coaches. Hoping they get some stability at some point.
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I don't think it was just that. Hue Jackson clearly got an outsized say in personnel decisions following the death of Al Davis. Following the season he continued to thump his chest and assert that he was going to have a strong hand in the organization in this regard. If you're a new GM coming into the situation it's tough enough inheriting an existing coach. It's impossible if you're coming in as a GM with an existing coach who basically thinks he should be doing your job. There really was no choice.-QG
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Exactly. It was also reported Hue Jackson had a poor relationship with a lot of players and some coaches, so this really isn't as shocking as some make it out to be.
 
I honestly think that his press conference following the Raiders loss to the Chargers in week 17 was the final nail in his coffin. The way he repeatedly dogged the players for their performance was disgraceful. Sure, he threw in a few "I take responsibility for that"s, but you could tell that was his BS; he was dogging the players for how they played. But, guess what? When a whole team doesn't "show up" or plays poorly, that is on the coaching staff. You play how you practice all week. It is the coach's job to get a team ready in the week before the game, and if the team collectively plays badly, a lot of that blame falls on the coaching staff. In short, the egg the Raiders laid in week 17 is what did Jackson in.

 
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I was pissed after Cable was fired, but not with Hue. I was fine with giving him another season, but I trust McKenzie more than I trusted Al in recent years.

 
I'm sure the Palmer trade and many of the others reasons being given had nothing to do with it. The penalties may have but I think the main reason is simply that Oakland just hired their first GM. A new GM normally brings in a new coach. Had the Raiders made the playoffs and won a playoff game, it would have been more diffacult to fire Hue Jackson but that didnt happen. This just looks like a case of a new GM bringing in his own people, which is perfectly normal.

 
Play the blame game upon losing to the Chargers, pull a Bill Callaghan & lost the dressing room. No surprise to us Raiders fans. This is definitely a statement firing for McKenzie; out with the old & in with the new.

What I am surprised about is how Bresh is still around...

 
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'Teef said:
Something tells me we won't be able to laugh at the Raiders for much longer.
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:goodposting: The Raiders have been the laughing stock of the NFL for years regarding personnel moves, if I was a Raiders fan I would want every connection to Al gone. I hated to see Reggie go, but the Raiders and their fans are going to be happy he has taken over and will bring the Raiders some respect around the league that they have not had in a long time.
 
im ok with this. i hate the coaching carosel, but mckenzie needs to have the HC's support. which he probably wouldn't of had with huejax.

please not winston moss.

 
Absurd...you mortgage the future n Carson Palmer, should at least give him another season and a full off season with Palmer and the talented up and coming WR corp to see what you might have. He lost McFadden for the 2nd half of the season, I think this is absurd to fire him so quickly. Really doesn't make any sense. What teams overturn their coaches every year or two and have success?

 
Pretty smart move by McKenzie. It's got everything to do with the draft picks and the baggage of losing them. This way McKenzie builds his regime and doesn't live under the stink of Jackson's stupid moves.

 
I understand all the objections concerning the coaching carousel, but there's no reason to suggest Reggie will dump coaches like Al did. If what we read about him is to be believed, this will hopefully be the last change for a number of years.

 
'Raider Nation said:
It's pointless to react one way or the other until we learn who the new coach is.

Jackson was innovative on offense but he takes the bullet for not realizing Chuck Bresnahan was the worst DC in football.
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I will fight you to the death if I have to in order to prove that the worse DC in football was George Edwards.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Absurd...you mortgage the future n Carson Palmer, should at least give him another season and a full off season with Palmer and the talented up and coming WR corp to see what you might have. He lost McFadden for the 2nd half of the season, I think this is absurd to fire him so quickly. Really doesn't make any sense. What teams overturn their coaches every year or two and have success?
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You're not thinking big picture enough MOP. Realistically, Reggie McKenzie has about 5 years to prove himself worthy of holding onto that GM job. If he waste's even one year on a coach he doesn't believe in, or believes he can't work with, he's that much closer to getting his own rear end canned. The only thing keeping Mangini around for a year did was set back Cleveland by that same amount of time. If Shurmur doesn't pan out for Holmgren, he may not get to hire another HC. If you start with a clean slate as a GM, generally you get two HC hires. If neither one pans out, neither have you.
 
reggie will proabbly get that ship turned around and sailing to the promised land like in the end of lord of the rings three or pirates of the carribian because he is a pretty good talent evaluator nad will probably keep the ted thomson tradition going and develop a good pool of talent from top to bottom and frankly it scares me to think that the raiders could become one of the finest dynasties in football detroying opponents week in and week out and ruining the morale of the rest of the league so i hate to say it but watch out nfl there is a new sheriff in town and hes got a shootin gun and hangin rope and the rest of the nfl is the lawn take it to the bank brothers

 
'DA RAIDERS said:
'Autumn Wind said:
'DA RAIDERS said:
im ok with this. i hate the coaching carosel, but mckenzie needs to have the HC's support. which he probably wouldn't of had with huejax.please not winston moss.
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I don't know Winston as a coach, why the objection?
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You make my point for me. He doesn't even have OC/DC credentials.
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DA RAIDERS, you were always the first one yelling about your hatred for Al Davis. Now he's gone and you're upset one of his guys was let go. Oakland brought in someone with tons of personel experience in a successful organization, let him do his thing and trust he knows how to do his job well. ;)
 
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Packer love is oddly prevalent in this thread. Not long ago, people didn't feel this way about the Pack

 
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