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+--------------+----------+ | Reg. Season | Playoffs |+----------+--------------+----------+| Year TM | W L T | W L |+----------+--------------+----------+| 1989 rai | 7 5 0 | 0 0 || 1990 rai | 12 4 0 | 1 1 || 1991 rai | 9 7 0 | 0 1 || 1992 rai | 7 9 0 | 0 0 || 1993 rai | 10 6 0 | 1 1 || 1994 rai | 9 7 0 | 0 0 |+----------+--------------+----------+| TOTALS | 54 38 0 | 2 3 |+----------+--------------+----------+
They never shoulda canned Shell in the first place ... he was a pretty good head coach ...
I suspect that shell is more of a short timer than most coaches, but then again the Raiders burn through coaches pretty fast anyway.They never shoulda canned Shell in the first place ... he was a pretty good head coach ...As a big Raiders fan who's old enough to remember his tenure, he did a pretty good job. As an outsider, the only thing that really pissed some fans off about Shell was that he almost never seemed to get emotional enough. He seems to have a pretty steady temperament which I prefer. But others saw it as allowing his players to take advantage of his good nature. In any case, I think he is a players coach and we could do a whole lot worse. Not my ideal hire but I'll welcome the big guy back for another year or so. I was really hoping Al would just say, #### it!, I'll coach the team but I guess that only happens behind closed doors.
Grid,It pains me to say that I couldn't agree more with you. Shell had that clueless - Bambi thing - completely going on in his last two seasons. On top of that, it appeared that he didn't have the gumption to light into his players to motivate them. These are huge concerns of mine. But, I still think he has quite a bit to work with here. And if he has learned how to surround himself with the right people who will be able to step up and provide the types of things that he knows he cannot do, then he may be able to make it work.Ya, but he's been away for YEARS. He wasn't THAT good of a head coach either.
Every time I think of Art Shell standing on the sidelines, I think of a clueless deer in headlights.
I was gonna say one step forward, three steps back. But I simply think they've been taking steps back the past few years. They're a rudderless ship.
he had jay schroeder at QB and (at various times) marcus allen and bo jackson in the backfield. what do you think he preferred to do?No one answered the almighty question, run first or pass first? Any old Raider fans remember his offensive philosphy (or lack thereof)?
I don't think it's smart ### at all. It depends on the talent on the team. With Moss and Jordan on board, it's impossible to determine how he's going to lean this team but I hope it's relatively 50-50 so that opposing defenses are kept honest.Thanks for the answer smartazz.
In other words, this team is still going to suck and Shell will be fires in 2008.There's a reason the vacancy lasted this long, and that's because the team is $30M over the cap with an Owner that controls everything.he is far from a wco guy. if you want insight for the 2006 raiders, look to the coordinators. i do not think shell has his own defined system like we are accustomed to nowadays.
I remember Schroeder's Raiders. No ball control to that offense. He liked to fling it down the field. If they take sort of philosophy, anyone else think they might hold onto Collins?So he ran the ball with Marcus and Bo. Understood. Did he emphasize a deep passing attack, was it more like a west coast offense, were his TE's utilized frequently, a lot of dump-offs to the RB's......
Simply looking for more detail from somebody who may have seen his games.
exactly. with the talent on the team in his previous tenure it only made sense to run the ball. they didn't throw the ball short much (except to marcus or bo) because they also had willie gault and mervin hernandez, and some other speedsters that helped stretch the field verticallyi read in the latest sporting news that al davis though randy moss would run more intermediate patterns this season in hopes of cashing on on the bigger plays when he does go deep...instead of going deep every other playI don't think it's smart ### at all. It depends on the talent on the team. With Moss and Jordan on board, it's impossible to determine how he's going to lean this team but I hope it's relatively 50-50 so that opposing defenses are kept honest.Thanks for the answer smartazz.
VeryShell never had a 300-carry back; he had just one 200-carry back. He never had a 1000-yard back. So his history is RBBC (with some dang good backs; Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Roger Craig, though some of those were past their primes).
His defenses were better than his offenses. The one characteristic his offenses had was a high yards per passing attempt; almost always in the top 10 in the league, despite attempts being in the bottom half. That suggests there will be some "you go long" plays for Randy Moss and Jerry Porter, and they may want to keep Kerry Collins, who at least can throw it a long way.
I think the idea that he's not a good coach is unfounded. He has a good win/loss record, and the coach who took over for him did a poorer job, and it's not like he had great talent to work with; his 1994 roster included Jeff Hostetler, Harvey Williams, Ragib Ismail, and Andrew Glover; the only significant offensive player was Tim Brown. He managed 9-7 with that lineup, followed up by 8-8 and 7-9 with Mike White.
I'd take the odds on the exacta.O/U 2.0 seasons
F-UGood.....another Raiders coach who KC owned.......Shell went 2-9 vs. KC in his tenure....and we happily beat him in a winner take all game that got him fired in Dec. 1994.
Let the good times roll.....
Good.....another Raiders coach who KC owned.......Shell went 2-9 vs. KC in his tenure....and we happily beat him in a winner take all game that got him fired in Dec. 1994.
Let the good times roll.....
Al Davis died 10 years ago. Heaven wouldn't take him and Satan was worried Al would take his job. I think he is here forever.Let me just say.....
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It's going to be hard holding my head up as a Raider fan until Big Al takes a dirt nap and someone else takes over the team. He used to be the reason Oakland was good. Now, he is the reason they can't get a good coach. This Art Shell hiring will not end well.
I hope I'm wrong about this, but I don't think so.
How can this be? Top ranked TEs and WRs and low ranked passing offenses? I don't think there were as many teams in the NFL then as there are now so those ranking are quite low.Yearly Rankings under Shell . . .
Passing Yards: 23, 25, 26, 18, 19, 23
Highest Ranked at Each Position Each Year . . .
WR: 12, 22, 41, 20, 6, 5
TE: 7, 12, 2, 11, 14, 17
The answer is simple. Al Davis brings in a guy who played for the Raiders in their heyday of the bombs away offense. Art is a figurehead HC and Al Davis will be running a bombs away offense.GL Raider fans.No one answered the almighty question, run first or pass first? Any old Raider fans remember his offensive philosphy (or lack thereof)?
Keep in mind Bo Jackson didn't join the team each year until baseball was over.Shell never had a 300-carry back; he had just one 200-carry back. He never had a 1000-yard back. So his history is RBBC (with some dang good backs; Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Roger Craig, though some of those were past their primes).
His defenses were better than his offenses. The one characteristic his offenses had was a high yards per passing attempt; almost always in the top 10 in the league, despite attempts being in the bottom half. That suggests there will be some "you go long" plays for Randy Moss and Jerry Porter, and they may want to keep Kerry Collins, who at least can throw it a long way.
I think the idea that he's not a good coach is unfounded. He has a good win/loss record, and the coach who took over for him did a poorer job, and it's not like he had great talent to work with; his 1994 roster included Jeff Hostetler, Harvey Williams, Ragib Ismail, and Andrew Glover; the only significant offensive player was Tim Brown. He managed 9-7 with that lineup, followed up by 8-8 and 7-9 with Mike White.
Eric Dickerson was done when he got to the Raiders. He came to the Raiders in his 10TH season. He ran for a whopping 91 yards the rest of his career after he left the Raiders after that one season. I am not thrilled with the Shell hire, but considering that no really good coach will come to the Raiders with the inability to pick their own staff I think they could have done worse (John Shoop and the like).I never thought Art Shell did a very good job with his running game. He had Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, and Eric Dickerson (for one season). Only Bo had a good deal of success in Shell's scheme, and even then Jackson rarely made it into the end zone. Marcus Allen was considered a scoring machine over his career, but only managed 18 TDs in his four years with Shell. Dickerson ran for almost 1700 yards in his last full season before his one with the Raiders. Eric only managed 729 yards as the full-time starter, only reaching the end zone twice.
Easy. Have no other viable receivers, use only one TE, and run very few routes to RB.How can this be? Top ranked TEs and WRs and low ranked passing offenses? I don't think there were as many teams in the NFL then as there are now so those ranking are quite low.Yearly Rankings under Shell . . .
Passing Yards: 23, 25, 26, 18, 19, 23
Highest Ranked at Each Position Each Year . . .
WR: 12, 22, 41, 20, 6, 5
TE: 7, 12, 2, 11, 14, 17
Puh-lease.Tim Brown was a selfish, loudmouth jackoff who *called himself* "Mr. Raider".Personally, I hope the Raiders bounce back. I'm all things Raiders mystique, etc.
They've been in a downward spiral since that center attended that donkey show in Tijuana.
Don't discount what Tim Brown meant to this team not only on the field, but moreso in the locker room.
Best Raider wide receiver ever?!Better than Cliff Branch?Tim Brown is a LOCK for the Hall. Don't understand your angst about the best Raider wide receiver ever.
It was down to Shell and Fassel, and I'd have been much happier with the latter.I think my only question here is, was there anyone left for Al Davis to interview?
In terms of veteran leadership, Brown's retirement pales in comparision to the void left by Rich Gannon's sudden departure.Don't discount what Tim Brown meant to this team not only on the field, but moreso in the locker room.