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Raiders vs Chargers - Week 5 (1 Viewer)

FreeBaGeL

Footballguy
Spike the ball on 3rd down with 11 seconds left.  Rough the passer on 3rd down.

I thought this Gruden guy knew something about football.

 

Joe Summer

Footballguy
Terrible clock management by the Raiders at the end of the half. Throw a dump pass over the middle, which forces you to take a 57-yard field goal, then leave enough time for the Chargers to almost make a field goal? Just dumb.

 
Not watching the game and was looking forward to seeing it on Game Pass next week. Maybe I'll just watch last week's against CLE and pretend this week never happened.

Not like I was expecting the Raiders to win, but man do I hate hearing how bad we look and how nothing looks like it is coming together.

Another lost year. 

 

modogg

Footballguy
you would think being down 20 points in the 4th would be a good time to maybe try and throw the ball to Cooper, seeing how he has 1 target for the game.....

 

togo

Footballguy
So he has been playing all game? 8 other players have catches.  1 target. I thought he may have been hurt.

 

menobrown

Footballguy
I find it hard to believe that Coop is open all game and Carr is ignoring him. There has to be more to this.
Watched every route he ran and at least half the time Carr never looked that entire side of the field less yet looked his way. Instead Carr preferred to do stuff like throw sideline fades on third down to a well covered Jared Cook.

In the end Amari had a terrible fantasy day and most people will say he sucks and that narrative will bother me. He sucked for fantasy, but does not mean he sucked.

 

King of the Jungle

Footballguy
Watched every route he ran and at least half the time Carr never looked that entire side of the field less yet looked his way. Instead Carr preferred to do stuff like throw sideline fades on third down to a well covered Jared Cook.

In the end Amari had a terrible fantasy day and most people will say he sucks and that narrative will bother me. He sucked for fantasy, but does not mean he sucked.
The question is why then. Why does he disappear for long stretches? 

 

menobrown

Footballguy
The question is why then. Why does he disappear for long stretches? 
Seems a few people here answered that question already when we are telling you we are watching the game and Carr is not looking his way.

At this point you are asking the wrong question. You need to be asking why Carr ignores him certain games?

 

King of the Jungle

Footballguy
Seems a few people here answered that question already when we are telling you we are watching the game and Carr is not looking his way.

At this point you are asking the wrong question. You need to be asking why Carr ignores him certain games?
Okay, thanks for your input. But if I am a QB and I have a WR who is open...I am probably going to start throwing the ball to him. Especially considering the team record at this point. Not sure the answer is as simple as "he didn't look his way." QBs tend to look the way of players that can make them look good.  

 

DocHolliday

Footballguy
Okay, thanks for your input. But if I am a QB and I have a WR who is open...I am probably going to start throwing the ball to him. Especially considering the team record at this point. Not sure the answer is as simple as "he didn't look his way." QBs tend to look the way of players that can make them look good.  
The Raiders are in a downward spiral.  Carr is not terrible but plays really hot or cold and when he is cold, he is awful.   It's not the throwing, it's the decision making.   He hasn't been right since 2016.  He is done.  Raiders are drafting a QB in 2019.  

 

menobrown

Footballguy
Okay, thanks for your input. But if I am a QB and I have a WR who is open...I am probably going to start throwing the ball to him. Especially considering the team record at this point. Not sure the answer is as simple as "he didn't look his way." QBs tend to look the way of players that can make them look good.  
Let me be clear. When I say "not looking his way" I mean that in a very literal sense. Therefore he would not know if his WR was open. This is not every play, but a high majority. This is easy to see even without All 22 when Cooper as an example runs a route to the left and Carr gets the ball and turns his back to the left and never won time looks over the other direction.

Please go watch the game or watch it again and tell me if what I'm saying is not accurate.

 

King of the Jungle

Footballguy
Let me be clear. When I say "not looking his way" I mean that in a very literal sense. Therefore he would not know if his WR was open. This is not every play, but a high majority. This is easy to see even without All 22 when Cooper as an example runs a route to the left and Carr gets the ball and turns his back to the left and never won time looks over the other direction.

Please go watch the game or watch it again and tell me if what I'm saying is not accurate.
I appreciate your insight as you have more knowledge than I do on this subject. I guess what I am questioning is Cooper inconsistent performance for the last year and a half plus. Game film shows who is open. If week after week Carr is being shown game film of Cooper open why is he not even looking his direction? That is my question.

 

DocHolliday

Footballguy
I appreciate your insight as you have more knowledge than I do on this subject. I guess what I am questioning is Cooper inconsistent performance for the last year and a half plus. Game film shows who is open. If week after week Carr is being shown game film of Cooper open why is he not even looking his direction? That is my question.
Don't think anyone can explain Cooper.  

 
DocHolliday said:
The Raiders are in a downward spiral.  Carr is not terrible but plays really hot or cold and when he is cold, he is awful.   It's not the throwing, it's the decision making.   He hasn't been right since 2016.  He is done.  Raiders are drafting a QB in 2019.  
Well, given the backup situation, I think that would actually be a good idea.

But if we used a first round targeting one of the best prospects, it would enrage me to no end. Would tell me that we simply chose the wrong horse to bet on in the Carr/Mack race.

You can't predict success with 100% certainty, but I thought Carr was much better than this. In the end, maybe he's not, as at this point, he seems to play poorly more than he plays up to his supposed potential.

 

DocHolliday

Footballguy
Well, given the backup situation, I think that would actually be a good idea.

But if we used a first round targeting one of the best prospects, it would enrage me to no end. Would tell me that we simply chose the wrong horse to bet on in the Carr/Mack race.

You can't predict success with 100% certainty, but I thought Carr was much better than this. In the end, maybe he's not, as at this point, he seems to play poorly more than he plays up to his supposed potential.
I should have been clear.  The Raiders are drafting a QB in the first 2 rounds in 2019 to replace Carr.  Gruden wants his QB to mold and Carr is not that guy. 

I too thought Carr was better than this.  No idea what is going on.   

Trading Mack was a huge mistake to everyone even before Carr's struggles.  

 

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