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Raiders Want Either McFadden or Bush To Emerge As Every Down Back (1 Viewer)

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Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.

 
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Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
As long as these 2 are on the Raiders, I wouldn't even look at them for my FF roster.
 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
As long as these 2 are on the Raiders, I wouldn't even look at them for my FF roster.
Then you may be be missing out on value - Bush averaged nearly 5 YPC in limited action last year. Even Fargas had a nice year a few years back. This team likes to run the ball and has a good OL.I wouldn't reach for either guy, but these are the types of middle round guys that can help win championships.

 
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While the rest of the league goes to 2 and 3 RB stables, the Raiders want to go back to having a bell cow. Are they ahead of their time or just simply so far behind the learning curve in the NFL. They really should have fired Cable when they had the chance.

 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
I don't see where Cable says that he wants an every-down RB. All I see is: 1. Cable speculating on whether or not DMac CAN be an every-down RB, 2. Cable saying that it will help the two RBs perform better if they collectively get more work.What did I mis-read?

 
While the rest of the league goes to 2 and 3 RB stables, the Raiders want to go back to having a bell cow. Are they ahead of their time or just simply so far behind the learning curve in the NFL. They really should have fired Cable when they had the chance.
Actually, I think Cable did an okay job considering he was forced to start Russell for portions of the season. The team played tough under him at times. Cable deserves another year IMO.
 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
I don't see where Cable says that he wants an every-down RB. All I see is: 1. Cable speculating on whether or not DMac CAN be an every-down RB, 2. Cable saying that it will help the two RBs perform better if they collectively get more work.What did I mis-read?
Agreed. I don't see where Cable says he wants one guy to take over. Looks like both guys will "get more work".
 
While the rest of the league goes to 2 and 3 RB stables, the Raiders want to go back to having a bell cow. Are they ahead of their time or just simply so far behind the learning curve in the NFL. They really should have fired Cable when they had the chance.
Actually, I think Cable did an okay job considering he was forced to start Russell for portions of the season. The team played tough under him at times. Cable deserves another year IMO.
Absolutely agree (I think he did well given the situation). Also who the heck are they going to replace him with? Soon they will be forced to look at DIII coaches...
 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
I don't see where Cable says that he wants an every-down RB. All I see is: 1. Cable speculating on whether or not DMac CAN be an every-down RB, 2. Cable saying that it will help the two RBs perform better if they collectively get more work.What did I mis-read?
Agreed. I don't see where Cable says he wants one guy to take over. Looks like both guys will "get more work".
Anybody else?
 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
I don't see where Cable says that he wants an every-down RB. All I see is: 1. Cable speculating on whether or not DMac CAN be an every-down RB, 2. Cable saying that it will help the two RBs perform better if they collectively get more work.What did I mis-read?
Agreed. I don't see where Cable says he wants one guy to take over. Looks like both guys will "get more work".
Anybody else?
Reading between the lines of coachspeak is never easy especially when the coach speaking is not really the decision maker. That being said it certainly sounded to me like Cable is all but saying he wants to give DMAC the chance to be an every down back. Not saying he can't overcome it but Bush is not looking at a fair fight for the job. Draft pedigree and Al's love for speed are working against him so I expect Mcfadden to finally get this chance to show if he can be the primary guy.

Interesting thing about both of these guys is they have only received 20+ carries in a game once in their careers and both of them absolutely got off in those games and while DMAC has only carried the ball more than 15 times in a game one other time in which he had a decent game Bush has done it a few times and was pretty good each time so Raiders or not I think if one of these guys can get 70% of the touches they could really surprise.

 
I read this as a subtle message to DMAC to come to camp ready to play because this will be his last chance to be handed the job. If he doesn't seize the job and keep it, without getting injured as he has the past two years, then Bush will get a shot. The fact is that DMAC HAS had this same opportunity the past two seasons and injuries and ineffectiveness have caused him to lose the job.

 
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I read this as a subtle message to DMAC to come to camp ready to play because this will be his last chance to be handed the job. If he doesn't seize the job and keep it, without getting injured as he has the past two years, then Bush will get a shot. The fact is that DMAC HAS had this same opportunity the past two seasons and injuries and ineffectiveness have caused him to lose the job.
This is exactly it. DMAC will get his shot, and will have to produce otherwise he will give way to Bush getting a shot at getting majorities of carries and perhaps never getting a shot to start in Oakland ever again.
 
I think Bush WANTS to be the lead back. I'm not so sure DMac wants to be the lead back. He may believe it should just be given to him because of where he was drafted and figures in his own head he's better than Bush. Bush will put in the work and by the end of TC McFadden will have this long face and disappointed look because Bush has been named the starter. So much for DMac giving a 100% effort being the backup. He'll probably state sometime in TC if he's not gonna be the lead back then he wants traded. Just as well, the Raiders will have a back in Bush who wants to be there and will give 100% effort every week and work hard. Advantage: Michael Bush, Pine-Time: D McFadden(he'll end up demanding a trade.) Just one man's opinion.

 
I think Bush WANTS to be the lead back. I'm not so sure DMac wants to be the lead back. He may believe it should just be given to him because of where he was drafted and figures in his own head he's better than Bush. Bush will put in the work and by the end of TC McFadden will have this long face and disappointed look because Bush has been named the starter. So much for DMac giving a 100% effort being the backup. He'll probably state sometime in TC if he's not gonna be the lead back then he wants traded. Just as well, the Raiders will have a back in Bush who wants to be there and will give 100% effort every week and work hard. Advantage: Michael Bush, Pine-Time: D McFadden(he'll end up demanding a trade.) Just one man's opinion.
Then the Patriots sweep in and get DMAC for a 3rd rounder and his fantasy stock goes through the roof because even though he was a "bust" for 2 + years he will now be on a real team.
 
I think Bush WANTS to be the lead back. I'm not so sure DMac wants to be the lead back. He may believe it should just be given to him because of where he was drafted and figures in his own head he's better than Bush. Bush will put in the work and by the end of TC McFadden will have this long face and disappointed look because Bush has been named the starter. So much for DMac giving a 100% effort being the backup. He'll probably state sometime in TC if he's not gonna be the lead back then he wants traded. Just as well, the Raiders will have a back in Bush who wants to be there and will give 100% effort every week and work hard. Advantage: Michael Bush, Pine-Time: D McFadden(he'll end up demanding a trade.) Just one man's opinion.
You basing this opinion on anything?DMC has no history in Oakland of doing anything but working hard. His body just keeps betraying him.
 
massraider said:
Ghost of Bill Walsh said:
I think Bush WANTS to be the lead back. I'm not so sure DMac wants to be the lead back. He may believe it should just be given to him because of where he was drafted and figures in his own head he's better than Bush. Bush will put in the work and by the end of TC McFadden will have this long face and disappointed look because Bush has been named the starter. So much for DMac giving a 100% effort being the backup. He'll probably state sometime in TC if he's not gonna be the lead back then he wants traded. Just as well, the Raiders will have a back in Bush who wants to be there and will give 100% effort every week and work hard. Advantage: Michael Bush, Pine-Time: D McFadden(he'll end up demanding a trade.) Just one man's opinion.
You basing this opinion on anything?DMC has no history in Oakland of doing anything but working hard. His body just keeps betraying him.
I have to agree. I don't think we can know what his intentions or beliefs are; but we do know he has gotten injured and that has hindered him.
 
I like Bush being the lead back with McFadden getting more work than usual but not quite RBBC plus getting him more touches in the passing game.

 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
As long as these 2 are on the Raiders, I wouldn't even look at them for my FF roster.
Then you may be be missing out on value - Bush averaged nearly 5 YPC in limited action last year. Even Fargas had a nice year a few years back. This team likes to run the ball and has a good OL.I wouldn't reach for either guy, but these are the types of middle round guys that can help win championships.
:thumbup: Bush is going to be a top 10 RB this season, IMO...

the Raiders played extremely well down the stretch of the '09 season, and it appears as if Al Davis has finally agreed to sit back and let his coaches coach, i.e., trying not to be that meddling owner anymore..

Cable knows his bread-n-butter back is going to be Bush, he also knows McFadden is a bust..

 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
As long as these 2 are on the Raiders, I wouldn't even look at them for my FF roster.
Then you may be be missing out on value - Bush averaged nearly 5 YPC in limited action last year. Even Fargas had a nice year a few years back. This team likes to run the ball and has a good OL.I wouldn't reach for either guy, but these are the types of middle round guys that can help win championships.
:thumbup: Bush is going to be a top 10 RB this season, IMO...

the Raiders played extremely well down the stretch of the '09 season, and it appears as if Al Davis has finally agreed to sit back and let his coaches coach, i.e., trying not to be that meddling owner anymore..

Cable knows his bread-n-butter back is going to be Bush, he also knows McFadden is a bust..
:lmao: Bush wouldnt be a top 10 back if he got every carry this season.
 
:thumbup: Bush wouldnt be a top 10 back if he got every carry this season.
I think he's a pretty good RB. Not sure about top 10, but I could see him being a good #2. He had a gaudy ypc last year (4.8). Compare that to McFadden (3.4) and Fargas (3.5). Why are you discounting him so quickly?
 
And don't forget that the run D's in that division are nothing to really speak of.

If one of these guys even got 60-65% of the carries, they could post some nice RB2 numbers.

 
The raiders were an up and down squad last season. They were definately not all bad. The running game seemed pretty good. IMO Bush dissapointed slightly. But he def. needed more opps. The team as a whole would do well to start him and preserve DMC (who seemed very effective yet injury prone).

 
There is not one decent FF player on this team worth picking up. Even if they decide to move with one every down back, their offense is horrible

 
The running game seemed pretty good. IMO Bush dissapointed slightly. But he def. needed more opps. The team as a whole would do well to start him and preserve DMC (who seemed very effective yet injury prone).
Where are you getting "very effective" for DMC? Just curious, as his ypc was 3.4. I'll grant you he looked good catching passes, but to me he seemed pretty dismal at running between the tackles.
 
Cable can say whatever he wants. Everyone knows that to be a successful running attack, you need two guys carrying the load in a fairly even ratio. I don't believe that McFadden can be an every down back. I think Cable is more or less giving him a friendly reminder that McFadden has the inside track on the job and he'd better focus on that. Michael Bush is seriously underrated as a player. With more touches, I expect him to have a lot of value.

 
Obviously they want McFadden to be the every down back since he's the one with the huge contract for the next few years and Bush is in the last year of his.

 
Tanner9919 said:
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
As long as these 2 are on the Raiders, I wouldn't even look at them for my FF roster.
Then you may be be missing out on value - Bush averaged nearly 5 YPC in limited action last year. Even Fargas had a nice year a few years back. This team likes to run the ball and has a good OL.I wouldn't reach for either guy, but these are the types of middle round guys that can help win championships.
:blackdot: Bush is going to be a top 10 RB this season, IMO...

the Raiders played extremely well down the stretch of the '09 season, and it appears as if Al Davis has finally agreed to sit back and let his coaches coach, i.e., trying not to be that meddling owner anymore..

Cable knows his bread-n-butter back is going to be Bush, he also knows McFadden is a bust..
Yeah, he's the key to your 2010 season...
 
This is it for McFadden...and for that matter Bush.

It will be a closley watched battle in fantasy circles for sure.

 
They have much bigger problems than the running game (I'm looking at those QBs and WRs)
Nothing wrong with the receiving corps. While it's hardly a Fitzgerald/Boldin or Harrison/Wayne/Stokley or Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Finley unit, Schilens/Miller/Murphy/DHB is far from one of the worst receiving corps in the league.
 
Obviously they want McFadden to be the every down back since he's the one with the huge contract for the next few years and Bush is in the last year of his.
They also want Russell to be the QB and DHB to be their #1 WR, doesn't mean either are suited for the gig.
 
They have much bigger problems than the running game (I'm looking at those QBs and WRs)
Nothing wrong with the receiving corps. While it's hardly a Fitzgerald/Boldin or Harrison/Wayne/Stokley or Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Finley unit, Schilens/Miller/Murphy/DHB is far from one of the worst receiving corps in the league.
Compared to who ?
Offhand? The Bills, the Browns, the Bears, the Jags, the Dolphins, the Rams, the Seahawks, the Bucs, and the Titans.
 
They have much bigger problems than the running game (I'm looking at those QBs and WRs)
Nothing wrong with the receiving corps. While it's hardly a Fitzgerald/Boldin or Harrison/Wayne/Stokley or Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Finley unit, Schilens/Miller/Murphy/DHB is far from one of the worst receiving corps in the league.
Compared to who ?
The Bills...
St Louis, Cleveland, Miami & Tampa Bay come to mind. I know some people love Hester, but Chicago's WR's are pretty ugly. One might could argue Tenn & KC & Jax depending on how you feel about Britt, Bowe, & Sims-Walker.Edit: too slow...

 
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Obviously they want McFadden to be the every down back since he's the one with the huge contract for the next few years and Bush is in the last year of his.
They also want Russell to be the QB and DHB to be their #1 WR, doesn't mean either are suited for the gig.
I was only referring to the "either" part of the quote because if Bush emerges instead of McFadden then it puts the Raiders in a tough position. While they would be happy if Bush does well, their main concern is McFadden's progress.
 
Cable can say whatever he wants. Everyone knows that to be a successful running attack, you need two guys carrying the load in a fairly even ratio. I don't believe that McFadden can be an every down back. I think Cable is more or less giving him a friendly reminder that McFadden has the inside track on the job and he'd better focus on that. Michael Bush is seriously underrated as a player. With more touches, I expect him to have a lot of value.
2009 NFL rushing leader New York JetsT Jones 331 1402 14 4.2

S Greene 108 540 2 5.0

Do you consider 331 carries vs 108 carries a 'fairly even ratio'? Just asking

 
Obviously they want McFadden to be the every down back since he's the one with the huge contract for the next few years and Bush is in the last year of his.
They also want Russell to be the QB and DHB to be their #1 WR, doesn't mean either are suited for the gig.
I was only referring to the "either" part of the quote because if Bush emerges instead of McFadden then it puts the Raiders in a tough position. While they would be happy if Bush does well, their main concern is McFadden's progress.
I agree here, and I wonder how much control over who starts Cable has. If Bush *clearly* outperforms McFadden, which is possible, then do they make McFadden a part-timer, mainly used on passing downs? Be interesting to watch.
 
Cable can say whatever he wants. Everyone knows that to be a successful running attack, you need two guys carrying the load in a fairly even ratio. I don't believe that McFadden can be an every down back. I think Cable is more or less giving him a friendly reminder that McFadden has the inside track on the job and he'd better focus on that. Michael Bush is seriously underrated as a player. With more touches, I expect him to have a lot of value.
2009 NFL rushing leader New York JetsT Jones 331 1402 14 4.2

S Greene 108 540 2 5.0

Do you consider 331 carries vs 108 carries a 'fairly even ratio'? Just asking
Or you could look at Chris Johnson and the Titans. I'm with you DofA, that comment above was strange.
 
They have much bigger problems than the running game (I'm looking at those QBs and WRs)
Nothing wrong with the receiving corps. While it's hardly a Fitzgerald/Boldin or Harrison/Wayne/Stokley or Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Finley unit, Schilens/Miller/Murphy/DHB is far from one of the worst receiving corps in the league.
Compared to who ?
The Bills...
Far afield here, but Evans is a much better receiver than anything Oakland has IMO. I agree with the thought that the Oakland receiving corps really is one of the worst in the league. Bottom five IMO.As far as what the Raiders "want", they want a lot of things, but that doesn't mean they are going to happen. They "WANT" Russel to be a competent QB too.

I think this statement means nothing at all.

 
The running game seemed pretty good. IMO Bush dissapointed slightly. But he def. needed more opps. The team as a whole would do well to start him and preserve DMC (who seemed very effective yet injury prone).
Where are you getting "very effective" for DMC? Just curious, as his ypc was 3.4. I'll grant you he looked good catching passes, but to me he seemed pretty dismal at running between the tackles.
Well he averaged 11.7 y/r, so he actually "was" pretty good catching passes. I'm talking overall not just success between the tackles. He seemed explosive. Not as good as Bush after contact but def. more of a big play threat.
 
Coach Tom Cable said Tuesday that he wants an every-down player to emerge when the Raiders open their running back job to competition this offseason.

"We'll move forward with those two guys," Cable said of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. "It will help both of them that they will get more work. The question with (Darren) is, now that he's healthy, can he be an every-down back? I think he can be." Bush would be much better suited for a lead back role, but McFadden is the obvious in-house favorite due to his draft status.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35999997/ns/...ts-player_news/Looks like McFadden's draft pedigree will give him first crack at the job, although my money is on Bush. Whoever emerges could have meaningful value given the Raiders have a solid run-blocking OL, and no doubt the team does not want to put the offense on the arm of Russell or Gradkowski.
I don't see where Cable says that he wants an every-down RB. All I see is: 1. Cable speculating on whether or not DMac CAN be an every-down RB, 2. Cable saying that it will help the two RBs perform better if they collectively get more work.What did I mis-read?
Agreed. I don't see where Cable says he wants one guy to take over. Looks like both guys will "get more work".
But think they would be more effective with Bush as starter and McFadden as slot receiver and change of pace back. Can McFadden catch the ball?

 

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