Rams new gameplan (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

"Indications out of St. Louis" are that the Rams are unlikely to trade Torry Holt before the October 14 deadline.

If Jim Haslett wants to shed his semi-interim status and stay on as coach through 2009, he'll need his best players on hand. The plan is to feature Holt on offense more in the Rams' final 11 games, not trade him away.

Source: Nashville Tennessean

I like the new guy already

 

[NJ]

I doubt very much that they weren't already trying to get him the ball in the first 5 games. But someone needs to teach that pathetic o-line how to hold an f'n block in order to give Holt time to get open.

 

[packersfan]

I doubt very much that they weren't already trying to get him the ball in the first 5 games. But someone needs to teach that pathetic o-line how to hold an f'n block in order to give Holt time to get open.

I think it could be argued the Rams weren't working very hard to get Holt the ball at times. In the first game, for example, they just gave up trying to throw to him which was absurd. But I agree that the line has been a problem. I don't think Bulger has played all that well either.

 

[the spanker]

So what's the consensus? Will Holt end up as a top 10-15 WR this year?

 

[Marc Levin]

I doubt very much that they weren't already trying to get him the ball in the first 5 games. But someone needs to teach that pathetic o-line how to hold an f'n block in order to give Holt time to get open.

I think it could be argued the Rams weren't working very hard to get Holt the ball at times. In the first game, for example, they just gave up trying to throw to him which was absurd. But I agree that the line has been a problem. I don't think Bulger has played all that well either.

I think this is pretty close to what my eyes observed - they were not trying very hard to get Holt the ball for large stretches of their first four games.

 

[Socrates11]

So what's the consensus? Will Holt end up as a top 10-15 WR this year?

He'll definitely end up top 10-15, and probably top 5. Why do I know this? Because I traded him away two weeks ago.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Not to frown on this news or hurt anyones feeling but this is really non news.

If I am a new coach of a team that is not doing well and our best player has not been getting involved much do I think it would be rocket science to say hey I have an idea we are not doing well so why don't we try to get our hall of fame player involved a little more?

I mean whats he supposed to say, lets try to build on what was not working. I think the Rams are more then a Holt good game away from being competitive. There is a bunch of problems going on and not enough time to right the ship this season.

 

[packersfan]

I don't think anyone believes that just getting the ball to Holt more is going to solve the Rams' problems. But you have to take better advantage of the few talented players you have if you want to give yourself any chance to win. Linehan was doing a horrible job of that. Perhaps he let his feud with Holt cloud his game planning. If so, he deserved the fate he received.

 

[FFdork]

This just in: you score points by getting the ball to your playmakers. Brilliant! Someone get this information to Herm Edwards post haste!

It's great to see an article acknowledge what every armchair QB knows, but I want to see some results on the field. If Holt would just be a reliable WR2/3 at this point, I'd be happy.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

If Andre Johnson could get the ball all those years with bad offensive lines in Houston, I don't see why Holt can't catch 5-10 yard slants and in routes.

 

[packersfan]

If Andre Johnson could get the ball all those years with bad offensive lines in Houston, I don't see why Holt can't catch 5-10 yard slants and in routes.

Holt topped 90 receptions last year in a situation that I would argue is worse than what he has now. Last year, Bulger was hurt, Jackson was hurt and Bruce was hurt. And the line sucked. This year, the line still sucks and there's no No. 2 WR but Bulger and Jackson have both been healthy. I see no reason why Holt can't be a solid to strong WR2 in PPR leagues going forward if the commitment is made to get him the ball.

 

[the spanker]

Jeff who do you like better going forward, Holt or Edwards? Both are nothing a bunch of nothing up to this point.

 

[thatguythere]

I'm starting to think it is entirely possible that Bulger, and Holt weren't going to play hard for Linehan. I've been trying to figure out how Bulger could be so awful. I have s jax and have watched every game this year and Bulger looked completely out of touch, almost like he had never done this before. It amazed me how bad he had gotten. Then I thought maybe he had been banged around so much with the OL problems he must have gotten a concussion or two and maybe he was a little gunshy.

If he makes any sort of improvement in the next few games and looks like the old Bulger, then we can pretty much say he wasn't going to put in an honest effort until Linehan was gone. Maybe I'm crazy and they just suck, or maybe Bulger is past his prime....but I have a feeling he is going to look a bit better now that things have changed.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I agree that this is non-news, and yet it has talked me into starting Holt over DeSean this week.

 

[Teezee]

A big problem I saw was Linehan calling plays for WRs to do 15-20 yard out routes when their o-line can really afford them the time to do a 10 yard slant route. That has always been Holt's bread and butter the intermediate slant route, Linehan wasn't using his personnel to their strengths.

Other receivers need to step up to take the constant double/triple teaming on Holt, perhaps Donnie Avery who I believe will be more involved from here on out. I think they need Avery to help stretch the field because Holt may have lost a step and doesn't seem to have the separation on DBs like he has in the past.

 

[BUTTER]

Hope this is true about Holt as I have not sleep well since taking him over Steve Smith.

 

[Oscar]

You can't give Holt the ball more if your QB spends half of the game on his ###.

 

[Lehigh98]

You can't give Holt the ball more if your QB spends half of the game on his ###.

They can direct snap it to him, just have the center face the D ###-first and fire the ball downfield.

 

[the rover]

You can't give Holt the ball more if your QB spends half of the game on his ###.

slants from the shotgun on every play? that should work for about 1 series.

 

[BigRed]

Not to frown on this news or hurt anyones feeling but this is really non news. If I am a new coach of a team that is not doing well and our best player has not been getting involved much do I think it would be rocket science to say hey I have an idea we are not doing well so why don't we try to get our hall of fame player involved a little more?I mean whats he supposed to say, lets try to build on what was not working. I think the Rams are more then a Holt good game away from being competitive. There is a bunch of problems going on and not enough time to right the ship this season.

Somebody else gets it. (Frankly this was about the last thing I expected to read on this thread)The new HC is mostly the reason I haven't flat-out ditched Holt, but he's on a pretty short leash.

 

[Butters]

Coming off the bye week and with the coaching change, if they can't game plan to get the ball to Holt this week somewhere/somehow, I don't see when they'll be able to. I'm starting him to cover byes, but Engram is on my waiver wire and it's making me itchy (speaking of catching 5-10 yard slants).

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff who do you like better going forward, Holt or Edwards? Both are nothing a bunch of nothing up to this point.

Sadly I have more confidence in Bulger over DA.The wrinkle that people are missing is Donnie Avery. With him as a legit threat a la DeSean Jackson - both as a receiver and also on end-arounds - that will keep defenses slightly more honest.The loss of Randy McMichael will be a big negative though, as Wash isn't doing great in covering TEs.So I lean Holt, esp. in PPR leagues, but I'm not thrilled with either as a WR2. In TD leagues I think Edwards will match Holt but it will be close.

 

[Lucky Lefty]

So what's the consensus? Will Holt end up as a top 10-15 WR this year?

He'll definitely end up top 10-15, and probably top 5. Why do I know this? Because I traded him away two weeks ago.

Me too :X

 

[JamesTheScot]

First, saying you want to get your WR1 who has 15 catches through 5 weeks more involved is not a gameplan...it's simplistic fluff.

Second, maybe Holt isn't getting separation like he used to and that is having a more negative impact than a gameplan. Holt's game has always been speed and timing. You don't top 90 receptions on the season for close to a decade without being able to run all the patterns effectively. If you have to redesign your passing game around the new physical limitations of your WR1, you're in trouble. I think Holt is in a decline. Older players don't recover as fast as young guys and they sometimes don't get back to 100%.

Third, Haslett isn't Martz any more than Linehan was.

 

[packersfan]

This is a very smart move by Saunders in my opinion. From RotoWorld:

Al Saunders has moved Torry Holt from his usual "X" position in an effort to get him more catches.

Holt will go in motion and move around the field more. It can't hurt to shake things up, because Holt is no longer able to consistently fight off double teams at his usual spot. Holt should rebound this season, but we could still bench him in 2 WR leagues in a tough matchup against Washington.

Source: FoxSports.com

 

[FFdork]

This is a very smart move by Saunders in my opinion. From RotoWorld:

Al Saunders has moved Torry Holt from his usual "X" position in an effort to get him more catches.

Holt will go in motion and move around the field more. It can't hurt to shake things up, because Holt is no longer able to consistently fight off double teams at his usual spot. Holt should rebound this season, but we could still bench him in 2 WR leagues in a tough matchup against Washington.

Source: FoxSports.com

Now that is more encouraging than some fluff article. I can't say I'm starting him with confidence, but I am starting him.

 

[Big Score]

"Indications out of St. Louis" are that the Rams are unlikely to trade Torry Holt before the October 14 deadline.

If Jim Haslett wants to shed his semi-interim status and stay on as coach through 2009, he'll need his best players on hand. The plan is to feature Holt on offense more in the Rams' final 11 games, not trade him away.

Source: Nashville Tennessean

While the current Washington - vs St Louis game ain't over yet, it sure seems that the Lambs HC & OC didn't get the "Involve Holt More" memo, from the Nashville Tennessean.

 

[FFdork]

Yep. Didn't get to see the game, but can those who did chime in? The only positive I see from today's boxscore is Avery doing something to attract some attention when future defenses gameplan (I know most of his yards came on a single play).

 

[Max Power]

Holt had to of gotten at least 10 targets. Problem is that Bulger just isn't playing well. Although a few of those balls I think Holt could have brought down. He had a lot of single coverage today, but Rodgers had him locked down.