Rams sign CB Fakhir Brown (1 Viewer)

[acefootball]

Rams sign cornerback Brown to 5-year deal

BY JIM THOMAS

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

03/14/2006

In a move that adds depth -- and perhaps a starter -- to the secondary, the Rams signed free-agent cornerback Fakhir Brown to a five-year year contract today.

Brown, 28, has spent his last four seasons with New Orleans, playing for current Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett.

At 5-11, 192 pounds, Brown brings good size to the position. He’s considered a good tackler and has some playmaking instincts.

"When you have a combination of a cover corner who is physical at the line of scrimmage but can also tackle, and you have an opportunity to get him and you know a lot about him, it certainly helps," Rams coach Scott Linehan said.

In 2004, Brown started the last 10 games of the season at cornerback for the Saints and finished the season with two interceptions, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, as well as a career-high 65 tackles.

Brown opened the 2005 season as a starter, but suffered a knee injury in practice, forcing him to sit out the next four games. He ended up starting four games total in ’05, finishing with 31 tackles and six pass breakups.

The Rams have a lot of question marks at corner, where Jerametrius Butler missed the entire season with a knee injury suffered in training camp, and Travis Fisher was slowed most of the season with a groin injury that eventually placed him on the injured reserve list Dec. 14.

DeJuan Groce is a restricted free agent.

 

[Warpig]

Rams sign cornerback Brown to 5-year deal

BY JIM THOMAS

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

03/14/2006

In a move that adds depth -- and perhaps a starter -- to the secondary, the Rams signed free-agent cornerback Fakhir Brown to a five-year year contract today.

Brown, 28, has spent his last four seasons with New Orleans, playing for current Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett.

At 5-11, 192 pounds, Brown brings good size to the position. He’s considered a good tackler and has some playmaking instincts.

"When you have a combination of a cover corner who is physical at the line of scrimmage but can also tackle, and you have an opportunity to get him and you know a lot about him, it certainly helps," Rams coach Scott Linehan said.

In 2004, Brown started the last 10 games of the season at cornerback for the Saints and finished the season with two interceptions, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, as well as a career-high 65 tackles.

Brown opened the 2005 season as a starter, but suffered a knee injury in practice, forcing him to sit out the next four games. He ended up starting four games total in ’05, finishing with 31 tackles and six pass breakups.

The Rams have a lot of question marks at corner, where Jerametrius Butler missed the entire season with a knee injury suffered in training camp, and Travis Fisher was slowed most of the season with a groin injury that eventually placed him on the injured reserve list Dec. 14.

DeJuan Groce is a restricted free agent.

Not looking good for J. Butler. I had him the year before last and he was a stud for me. So I picked him up this year thinking he might be a good sleeper pick. Guess I better pick up another CB just in case.

 

[Despyzer]

Before he was a Saint, this guy was considered too crummy to be part of the Chargers' secondary... and that's not good.

 

[TheFanatic]

Before he was a Saint, this guy was considered too crummy to be part of the Chargers' secondary... and that's not good.

This from the guy that things that Gates numbers won't go down with a new QB with little or no experience throwing to him....

 

[Despyzer]

This from the guy that things that Gates numbers won't go down with a new QB with little or no experience throwing to him....

Do you have anything credible to add or is this as much as we can expect from you?

 

[TheFanatic]

This from the guy that things that Gates numbers won't go down with a new QB with little or no experience throwing to him....

Do you have anything credible to add or is this as much as we can expect from you?

You mean like this thought provoking response to why you don't think Gates' production will drop with Rivers in at QB?

I don't expect much, if any, dropoff. In addition to the reasons that you supplied, you have to consider that Gates is still learning how to play the position. Scary, isn't it?

He's still learning the position? He's been playing the position at a Pro-Bowl/Hall of Fame level for 2 years. Rivers has been holding a clip board for two years. Yet you think Gates' production should remain about the same? So when you say he's learning the position, are you talking about Gates learning to be a QB because you expect him to throw the ball to himself?

I typed my response here so people could consider the source. In 10 games last year, according to the article, the guy had some pretty good numbers, an obvious nose for the ball, and all the while playing road games all year. His former boss is impressed enough with him to bring him in, yet you comment on something about the Chargers from a few years ago. Guess what, the Packers didn't think that Warner was good enough to play QB for them. Look how that turned out. The Ravens didn't think that Priest Holmes could start at RB for them. No one ever thought Trent Dilfer would amount to anything and he's got a SB ring.

Please offer something insightful yourself before you start throwing stones like that or I will have to lay a whuppin on you again

 

[Despyzer]

He's still learning the position? He's been playing the position at a Pro-Bowl/Hall of Fame level for 2 years. Rivers has been holding a clip board for two years. Yet you think Gates' production should remain about the same?

So when you say he's learning the position, are you talking about Gates learning to be a QB because you expect him to throw the ball to himself?

Yes, he's still learninng the position. I'll try to type slower seeing English doesn't appear to be your first language. Just because a guy has been performing at an elite level for a couple of years doesn't mean he can't improve. He didn't play TE in high school. He didn't play TE (or even football) in college. He only has THREE YEARS of experience and he himself says that he still has a lot to learn about playing TE. Thanks for bearing your ignorance though. It was fun sparring with you.

I typed my response here so people could consider the source. In 10 games last year, according to the article, the guy had some pretty good numbers, an obvious nose for the ball, and all the while playing road games all year. His former boss is impressed enough with him to bring him in, yet you comment on something about the Chargers from a few years ago. Guess what, the Packers didn't think that Warner was good enough to play QB for them. Look how that turned out. The Ravens didn't think that Priest Holmes could start at RB for them. No one ever thought Trent Dilfer would amount to anything and he's got a SB ring.

Please offer something insightful yourself before you start throwing stones like that or I will have to lay a whuppin on you again

For every crazy scenario that you offer, there are at least ten that say a guy hasn't performed very well because he simply doesn't have the skills. I hope things work out well for the Rams and Fakhir, but the truth remains that the Chargers haven't had one decent CB on their roster since Gil Byrd retired and Brown was unceremoniously dumped by them. If you're not good enough to get any playing time in that seconday (as was the case in 2001), it only seems reasonable that he guy is not going to set the world on fire. You have already proven in this thread that reason is probably not your strong suit, so it is probably best if you just go back to flipping burgers.

 

[TheFanatic]

He's still learning the position? He's been playing the position at a Pro-Bowl/Hall of Fame level for 2 years. Rivers has been holding a clip board for two years. Yet you think Gates' production should remain about the same?

So when you say he's learning the position, are you talking about Gates learning to be a QB because you expect him to throw the ball to himself?

Yes, he's still learninng the position. I'll try to type slower seeing English doesn't appear to be your first language. Just because a guy has been performing at an elite level for a couple of years doesn't mean he can't improve. He didn't play TE in high school. He didn't play TE (or even football) in college. He only has THREE YEARS of experience and he himself says that he still has a lot to learn about playing TE. Thanks for bearing your ignorance though. It was fun sparring with you.

You're right he has 3 years of experience. I never said he didn't. I said he had 2 years of Pro Bowl/HOF experience. His first year was pretty uneventful. But thanks for trying to bust my chops on that and looking like a fool in the process.Funny how you jump up like you're the king of reason and logic yet you have no counter for the fact that Gates performance is just a wee bit dependant on the QB since, last I checked, nobody throws the ball to themselves in this league.

I typed my response here so people could consider the source. In 10 games last year, according to the article, the guy had some pretty good numbers, an obvious nose for the ball, and all the while playing road games all year. His former boss is impressed enough with him to bring him in, yet you comment on something about the Chargers from a few years ago. Guess what, the Packers didn't think that Warner was good enough to play QB for them. Look how that turned out. The Ravens didn't think that Priest Holmes could start at RB for them. No one ever thought Trent Dilfer would amount to anything and he's got a SB ring.

Please offer something insightful yourself before you start throwing stones like that or I will have to lay a whuppin on you again

For every crazy scenario that you offer, there are at least ten that say a guy hasn't performed very well because he simply doesn't have the skills. I hope things work out well for the Rams and Fakhir, but the truth remains that the Chargers haven't had one decent CB on their roster since Gil Byrd retired and Brown was unceremoniously dumped by them. If you're not good enough to get any playing time in that seconday (as was the case in 2001), it only seems reasonable that he guy is not going to set the world on fire. You have already proven in this thread that reason is probably not your strong suit, so it is probably best if you just go back to flipping burgers.

You are talking about the guy when he was playing for the Chargers in 2001? Here's a thought that may be somewhat alien to you after your "logic" behind how Gates will be just as productive - Things Change. People get better at their position. But I see that you and the 2001 Chargers coaching staff have a much better handle on the situation than Brown's BOSS from last season. On that note, why don't you get back to your shine box boy.....

 

[Despyzer]

People get better at their position. But I see that you and the 2001 Chargers coaching staff have a much better handle on the situation than Brown's BOSS from last season. On that note, why don't you get back to your shine box boy.....

Fakhir got so much better that the Saints' decided to let him walk with no compensation. Sounds like a Pro-Bowler to me.

 

[TheFanatic]

People get better at their position. But I see that you and the 2001 Chargers coaching staff have a much better handle on the situation than Brown's BOSS from last season. On that note, why don't you get back to your shine box boy.....

Fakhir got so much better that the Saints' decided to let him walk with no compensation. Sounds like a Pro-Bowler to me.

Again, that's all you have? That happens all the time. It's called the age of the Salary Cap. You need to quit now. The Rams let Archuletta walk and he just signed a $30 million deal with $10 in guaranteed money. The CHARGERS let Brees go for nothing. TO was cut. He's a fantastic talent, but do you think that had anything to do with him getting the ax? The Patriots cut McGinnest with no compensation. The Colts let Edge go with no compensation. The Saints let Bentley go with no compensation. I could go on and on but I'm getting tired of kicking your butt up and down this thread....Are you done getting thumped by me yet? You need to move on to another thread because you are looking goofier and goofier by the post.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Rams sign cornerback Brown to 5-year deal

BY JIM THOMAS

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

03/14/2006

In a move that adds depth -- and perhaps a starter -- to the secondary, the Rams signed free-agent cornerback Fakhir Brown to a five-year year contract today.

Brown, 28, has spent his last four seasons with New Orleans, playing for current Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett.

At 5-11, 192 pounds, Brown brings good size to the position. He’s considered a good tackler and has some playmaking instincts.

"When you have a combination of a cover corner who is physical at the line of scrimmage but can also tackle, and you have an opportunity to get him and you know a lot about him, it certainly helps," Rams coach Scott Linehan said.

In 2004, Brown started the last 10 games of the season at cornerback for the Saints and finished the season with two interceptions, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, as well as a career-high 65 tackles.

Brown opened the 2005 season as a starter, but suffered a knee injury in practice, forcing him to sit out the next four games. He ended up starting four games total in ’05, finishing with 31 tackles and six pass breakups.

The Rams have a lot of question marks at corner, where Jerametrius Butler missed the entire season with a knee injury suffered in training camp, and Travis Fisher was slowed most of the season with a groin injury that eventually placed him on the injured reserve list Dec. 14.

DeJuan Groce is a restricted free agent.

Not looking good for J. Butler. I had him the year before last and he was a stud for me. So I picked him up this year thinking he might be a good sleeper pick. Guess I better pick up another CB just in case.

i haven't heard much about state of butler's knee rehab... hopefully no news is good news... i think i heard he coulp have played at end of last season but the year was so disastrous it would have been pointless...fisher can walk after this year... imo he isn't as talented as butler, & butler reupped prior to 2004 season, i think, more recently...

i think brown is more for depth... & fisher has been hurt a lot recently... if brown seizes a starting job, it would imo be much more likely to replace fisher & not butler...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

People get better at their position.  But I see that you and the 2001 Chargers coaching staff have a much better handle on the situation than Brown's BOSS from last season.  On that note, why don't you get back to your shine box boy.....

Fakhir got so much better that the Saints' decided to let him walk with no compensation. Sounds like a Pro-Bowler to me.

Again, that's all you have? That happens all the time. It's called the age of the Salary Cap. You need to quit now. The Rams let Archuletta walk and he just signed a $30 million deal with $10 in guaranteed money. The CHARGERS let Brees go for nothing. TO was cut. He's a fantastic talent, but do you think that had anything to do with him getting the ax? The Patriots cut McGinnest with no compensation. The Colts let Edge go with no compensation. The Saints let Bentley go with no compensation. I could go on and on but I'm getting tired of kicking your butt up and down this thread....Are you done getting thumped by me yet? You need to move on to another thread because you are looking goofier and goofier by the post.

[docholliday]"I know, Ike! Let's have a spelling contest!"

[/docholliday]

 

[Winston Smith]

Rams sign cornerback Brown to 5-year deal

BY JIM THOMAS

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

03/14/2006

In a move that adds depth -- and perhaps a starter -- to the secondary, the Rams signed free-agent cornerback Fakhir Brown to a five-year year contract today.

Brown, 28, has spent his last four seasons with New Orleans, playing for current Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett.

At 5-11, 192 pounds, Brown brings good size to the position. He’s considered a good tackler and has some playmaking instincts.

"When you have a combination of a cover corner who is physical at the line of scrimmage but can also tackle, and you have an opportunity to get him and you know a lot about him, it certainly helps," Rams coach Scott Linehan said.

In 2004, Brown started the last 10 games of the season at cornerback for the Saints and finished the season with two interceptions, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, as well as a career-high 65 tackles.

Brown opened the 2005 season as a starter, but suffered a knee injury in practice, forcing him to sit out the next four games. He ended up starting four games total in ’05, finishing with 31 tackles and six pass breakups.

The Rams have a lot of question marks at corner, where Jerametrius Butler missed the entire season with a knee injury suffered in training camp, and Travis Fisher was slowed most of the season with a groin injury that eventually placed him on the injured reserve list Dec. 14.

DeJuan Groce is a restricted free agent.

Brown was pretty awful down here. If he winds up a starter, Rams fans should be very nervous.

 

[Despyzer]

Again, that's all you have? That happens all the time. It's called the age of the Salary Cap. You need to quit now. The Rams let Archuletta walk and he just signed a $30 million deal with $10 in guaranteed money. The CHARGERS let Brees go for nothing. TO was cut. He's a fantastic talent, but do you think that had anything to do with him getting the ax? The Patriots cut McGinnest with no compensation. The Colts let Edge go with no compensation. The Saints let Bentley go with no compensation. I could go on and on but I'm getting tired of kicking your butt up and down this thread....

Are you done getting thumped by me yet? You need to move on to another thread because you are looking goofier and goofier by the post.

Yes, that makes sense. You compare Fakhir Brown to Adam Archuletta, Drew Brees, Terrell Owens, Willoie McGinnest, and Edgerin James and claim that I am looking goofy. Do you stop to think before you post?If you don't like my opinion (and that's fine) take a look at what others are posting about him. You seem to be the only one who thinks that he is All-Pro caliber.

 

[Winston Smith]

He's still learning the position?  He's been playing the position at a Pro-Bowl/Hall of Fame level for 2 years.  Rivers has been holding a clip board for two years.  Yet you think Gates' production should remain about the same?

So when you say he's learning the position, are you talking about Gates learning to be a QB because you expect him to throw the ball to himself?

Yes, he's still learninng the position. I'll try to type slower seeing English doesn't appear to be your first language. Just because a guy has been performing at an elite level for a couple of years doesn't mean he can't improve. He didn't play TE in high school. He didn't play TE (or even football) in college. He only has THREE YEARS of experience and he himself says that he still has a lot to learn about playing TE. Thanks for bearing your ignorance though. It was fun sparring with you.

You're right he has 3 years of experience. I never said he didn't. I said he had 2 years of Pro Bowl/HOF experience. His first year was pretty uneventful. But thanks for trying to bust my chops on that and looking like a fool in the process.Funny how you jump up like you're the king of reason and logic yet you have no counter for the fact that Gates performance is just a wee bit dependant on the QB since, last I checked, nobody throws the ball to themselves in this league.

I typed my response here so people could consider the source.  In 10 games last year, according to the article, the guy had some pretty good numbers, an obvious nose for the ball, and all the while playing road games all year.  His former boss is impressed enough with him to bring him in, yet you comment on something about the Chargers from a few years ago.  Guess what, the Packers didn't think that Warner was good enough to play QB for them.  Look how that turned out.  The Ravens didn't think that Priest Holmes could start at RB for them.  No one ever thought Trent Dilfer would amount to anything and he's got a SB ring. 

Please offer something insightful yourself before you start throwing stones like that or I will have to lay a whuppin on you again   

For every crazy scenario that you offer, there are at least ten that say a guy hasn't performed very well because he simply doesn't have the skills. I hope things work out well for the Rams and Fakhir, but the truth remains that the Chargers haven't had one decent CB on their roster since Gil Byrd retired and Brown was unceremoniously dumped by them. If you're not good enough to get any playing time in that seconday (as was the case in 2001), it only seems reasonable that he guy is not going to set the world on fire. You have already proven in this thread that reason is probably not your strong suit, so it is probably best if you just go back to flipping burgers.

You are talking about the guy when he was playing for the Chargers in 2001? Here's a thought that may be somewhat alien to you after your "logic" behind how Gates will be just as productive - Things Change. People get better at their position. But I see that you and the 2001 Chargers coaching staff have a much better handle on the situation than Brown's BOSS from last season. On that note, why don't you get back to your shine box boy.....

Respectfully, Haz did a pretty awful job of evaluating talent on the defensive side of the ball in NO. Brown was no exception. Prior to the McKenzie signing, the Saints probably had one of the worst 5 secondaries in the NFL.

 

[TheFanatic]

Again, that's all you have? That happens all the time. It's called the age of the Salary Cap. You need to quit now. The Rams let Archuletta walk and he just signed a $30 million deal with $10 in guaranteed money. The CHARGERS let Brees go for nothing. TO was cut. He's a fantastic talent, but do you think that had anything to do with him getting the ax? The Patriots cut McGinnest with no compensation. The Colts let Edge go with no compensation. The Saints let Bentley go with no compensation. I could go on and on but I'm getting tired of kicking your butt up and down this thread....

Are you done getting thumped by me yet? You need to move on to another thread because you are looking goofier and goofier by the post.

Yes, that makes sense. You compare Fakhir Brown to Adam Archuletta, Drew Brees, Terrell Owens, Willoie McGinnest, and Edgerin James and claim that I am looking goofy. Do you stop to think before you post?If you don't like my opinion (and that's fine) take a look at what others are posting about him. You seem to be the only one who thinks that he is All-Pro caliber.

My oh my oh my.....Did I compare Brown to Edge, Arch, Brees and TO? Yep. And you wanna know why? Because you made this statement:

Fakhir got so much better that the Saints' decided to let him walk with no compensation. Sounds like a Pro-Bowler to me.

You equated a teams decision to cut Brown on his perfomance on the field. I provided a number of examples of players that FAR exceeded Brown's performance on the field yet they were cut without compenation. I didn't compare these players with Brown because I think Brown is some sort of stud because that remains to be seen. I made the comparison to show that these all world athletes could be cut by their respective teams based on reasons that have nothing to do with talent. I never said I thought Brown would be a pro bowler. I said he had pretty good numbers over 10 games last year on a very bad Saints team. And considering the utter lack of depth that the Rams have at Corner as shown by Butler's injury last year I'm happy with the signing as long as we didn't pay too much.For someone that spouts off about logic you sure have a hard time grasping it.

And just because I'm a nice guy, I thought I would explain Mr. Dufresne's quote from the movie Tombstone

[docholliday]

"I know, Ike! Let's have a spelling contest!"

[/docholliday]

See, Doc Holiday and Ike are sitting at a poker table and Doc is thoroughly schooling Ike. Ike gets a little upset and starts making a scene. That's when Doc suggests that Poker just isn't Ike's game and that maybe they should try having a spelling contest instead. See, you're Ike and arguing your point on the FBG Forum is just not your game. Any time you want to have a spelling contest you just might have a chance of beating me. I'm a horrible speller.

BTW, thanks Andy for using that line. It's my favorite line from one of my favorite movies....

 

[madsklz]

And just because I'm a nice guy, I thought I would explain Mr. Dufresne's quote from the movie Tombstone

[docholliday]"I know, Ike! Let's have a spelling contest!"

[/docholliday]

See, Doc Holiday and Ike are sitting at a poker table and Doc is thoroughly schooling Ike. Ike gets a little upset and starts making a scene. That's when Doc suggests that Poker just isn't Ike's game and that maybe they should try having a spelling contest instead.

See, you're Ike and arguing your point on the FBG Forum is just not your game. Any time you want to have a spelling contest you just might have a chance of beating me. I'm a horrible speller.

BTW, thanks Andy for using that line. It's my favorite line from one of my favorite movies....

GREAT MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm your Huckleberry!!!!! Yeah.............

Oh yeah I forgot football. The thing is nobody knows what this guy's role even is, he could be a nickel back. The bottom line is, know one knows how good he will play in the system yet, HOWEVER, with all the other moves that the Rams are making on Def. I'm not going to question them, and say they are giving it a much better effort than the previous regime.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Again, that's all you have?  That happens all the time.  It's called the age of the Salary Cap.  You need to quit now.  The Rams let Archuletta walk and he just signed a $30 million deal with $10 in guaranteed money.  The CHARGERS let Brees go for nothing.  TO was cut.  He's a fantastic talent, but do you think that had anything to do with him getting the ax?  The Patriots cut McGinnest with no compensation.  The Colts let Edge go with no compensation.  The Saints let Bentley go with no compensation.  I could go on and on but I'm getting tired of kicking your butt up and down this thread....

Are you done getting thumped by me yet?  You need to move on to another thread because you are looking goofier and goofier by the post.

Yes, that makes sense. You compare Fakhir Brown to Adam Archuletta, Drew Brees, Terrell Owens, Willoie McGinnest, and Edgerin James and claim that I am looking goofy. Do you stop to think before you post?If you don't like my opinion (and that's fine) take a look at what others are posting about him. You seem to be the only one who thinks that he is All-Pro caliber.

My oh my oh my.....Did I compare Brown to Edge, Arch, Brees and TO? Yep. And you wanna know why? Because you made this statement:

Fakhir got so much better that the Saints' decided to let him walk with no compensation. Sounds like a Pro-Bowler to me.

You equated a teams decision to cut Brown on his perfomance on the field. I provided a number of examples of players that FAR exceeded Brown's performance on the field yet they were cut without compenation. I didn't compare these players with Brown because I think Brown is some sort of stud because that remains to be seen. I made the comparison to show that these all world athletes could be cut by their respective teams based on reasons that have nothing to do with talent. I never said I thought Brown would be a pro bowler. I said he had pretty good numbers over 10 games last year on a very bad Saints team. And considering the utter lack of depth that the Rams have at Corner as shown by Butler's injury last year I'm happy with the signing as long as we didn't pay too much.For someone that spouts off about logic you sure have a hard time grasping it.

And just because I'm a nice guy, I thought I would explain Mr. Dufresne's quote from the movie Tombstone

[docholliday]

"I know, Ike! Let's have a spelling contest!"

[/docholliday]

See, Doc Holiday and Ike are sitting at a poker table and Doc is thoroughly schooling Ike. Ike gets a little upset and starts making a scene. That's when Doc suggests that Poker just isn't Ike's game and that maybe they should try having a spelling contest instead. See, you're Ike and arguing your point on the FBG Forum is just not your game. Any time you want to have a spelling contest you just might have a chance of beating me. I'm a horrible speller.

BTW, thanks Andy for using that line. It's my favorite line from one of my favorite movies....

That, and Despyzer and I got into it regarding the spelling of Matt Leinart's last name the other day. Funny stuff if you can find it.

 

[Despyzer]

You equated a teams decision to cut Brown on his perfomance on the field. I provided a number of examples of players that FAR exceeded Brown's performance on the field yet they were cut without compenation. I didn't compare these players with Brown because I think Brown is some sort of stud because that remains to be seen. I made the comparison to show that these all world athletes could be cut by their respective teams based on reasons that have nothing to do with talent.

And all of this would make complete sense, except for the fact that all of those guys that you mentioned were expecting huge contracts and their former teams had great sums of money tied up with other players. Obviously neither situation faces Fakhir and the Saints. So what conclusion are we left with?Here's the summation:

Fakhir couldn't get significant playing time with the Chargers, even though they had no one of any significance playing his position.

Fakhir was never a regular starter with the Saints, despite the fact he played on a "very bad team."

Fakhir was summarily dismissed without compensation from a "very bad team" even though his contract demands were very low and that team had the money to re-sign him.

Those are the facts and you can do with them what you will. If it pleases you to believe that he will have a breakout season in the mold of Kurt Warner, fine. If it seems more reasonable for you to believe that is more likely after all the time he has been in the league than Gates might be improving after only playing three years at a postion, fine. I really don't care. I hope everything works out wonderfully for you, Brown, and the Rams.

 

[TheFanatic]

You equated a teams decision to cut Brown on his perfomance on the field. I provided a number of examples of players that FAR exceeded Brown's performance on the field yet they were cut without compenation. I didn't compare these players with Brown because I think Brown is some sort of stud because that remains to be seen. I made the comparison to show that these all world athletes could be cut by their respective teams based on reasons that have nothing to do with talent.

And all of this would make complete sense, except for the fact that all of those guys that you mentioned were expecting huge contracts and their former teams had great sums of money tied up with other players. Obviously neither situation faces Fakhir and the Saints. So what conclusion are we left with?Here's the summation:

Fakhir couldn't get significant playing time with the Chargers, even though they had no one of any significance playing his position.

Fakhir was never a regular starter with the Saints, despite the fact he played on a "very bad team."

Fakhir was summarily dismissed without compensation from a "very bad team" even though his contract demands were very low and that team had the money to re-sign him.

Those are the facts and you can do with them what you will. If it pleases you to believe that he will have a breakout season in the mold of Kurt Warner, fine. If it seems more reasonable for you to believe that is more likely after all the time he has been in the league than Gates might be improving after only playing three years at a postion, fine. I really don't care. I hope everything works out wonderfully for you, Brown, and the Rams.

You seriously need to work on your reading comprehension skills. First, I never said this guy was going to be a pro-bowler. Please, please quote one of my posts that shows where I said this guy was going to have a Kurt Warner type season. I mentioned a number of players that blossomed with other teams after being cut by some team. I never said this guy was a lock for that. I compared this guy to great players to show that great players are cut for things other than talent. My mistake was only using guys that were in line for big contracts. There are plenty of guys that were cut for other reasons that have nothing to do with talent. There are all sorts of other reasons for players with some value are allowed to walk. Lavar Arrington was under contract and is a dominant player at his position. The team cut him and all they got was some money back. No players, no picks. Keyshaun Johnson was cut so they didn't have to pay a million in a roster bonus. That's not a lot of money for a guy that had 830 yards and 6 TD's.

It comes down to this. And I'll try to use small words so you can keep up. Players get cut all the time. Players that can contribute on other teams. Players that can go to other teams and can excel. If players that get cut are completely worthless, then why do so many players get signed by other teams after they get cut? Please, oh please explain that one.

BTW, Mr. Brown put up those numbers in 10 games. Only 4 of which he started due to injuries according to the local news in St. Louis last night. Like I said, those aren't bad numbers.