Ran a 10k in June (5 Viewers)

[RoarinSonoran]

Ok, try this instead.

fastpace% = (slowpace - desiredpace) / (slowpace - fastpace)

slowpace% = 1 - fastpace%

Convert paces to seconds.

E.g. slowpace = 16mins = 960secs

desiredpace = 10mins = 600secs

fastpace = 8mins = 480secs

fastpace% = (900 - 540) / (960 - 480) = 360 / 480 = 0.75 = 75%

slowpace% = 1 - 0.75 = 0.25 = 25%

So, run an 8min pace for 3/4mile, then 16min pace (a fast-ish walk) for 1/4mile, and you'll net out at a 10min pace.

(.75 * 8) 6min + (.25 * 16) 4min = 10min (desired pace)

Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, prosecutors will be violated.

 

[ELM]

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]Seriously that is a great time - good luck next weekend!

Thanks. If I can run 1:30 in the half (either next Saturday at Oshkosh or next month in GB), then I'm going to take aim at my 3:10 BQ time in the full marathon this fall. I'm thinking either Chicago, Twin Cities, or Milwaukee, all of which are being held on 10/7. Thoughts?

If the starting times are spread out enough, run all three!

i would do the one in milwaukee.

 

[tri-man 47]

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]Seriously that is a great time - good luck next weekend!

Thanks. If I can run 1:30 in the half (either next Saturday at Oshkosh or next month in GB), then I'm going to take aim at my 3:10 BQ time in the full marathon this fall. I'm thinking either Chicago, Twin Cities, or Milwaukee, all of which are being held on 10/7. Thoughts?

Remember, you can actually run 3:10:59. Of course, I can qualify with a 3:35:59 because I'm old ...and after yesterday's strong ten-miler, I think I might have a shot (despite being my first marathon). I ran a good, steady fourteen miles today with little discomfort other than the 8 degree windchill!If you're running for any sort of time, I don't recommend Chicago. Soooo many people. (Speaking of which, where's Rusty?) I've gone down to watch the late stages of the race, and it's still very crowded.

 

[Schmegma]

Ok, try this instead.

fastpace% = (slowpace - desiredpace) / (slowpace - fastpace)

slowpace% = 1 - fastpace%

Convert paces to seconds.

E.g. slowpace = 16mins = 960secs

desiredpace = 10mins = 600secs

fastpace = 8mins = 480secs

fastpace% = (900 - 540) / (960 - 480) = 360 / 480 = 0.75 = 75%

slowpace% = 1 - 0.75 = 0.25 = 25%

So, run an 8min pace for 3/4mile, then 16min pace (a fast-ish walk) for 1/4mile, and you'll net out at a 10min pace.

(.75 * 8) 6min + (.25 * 16) 4min = 10min (desired pace)

Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, prosecutors will be violated.

Thanks, roarin. I'm actually working on a a spreadsheet where I can input the total miles, my total time goal, how many water stops there are, and what percentage of the miles I want to walk and run and it will tell me everything I need to know.For example, for the Madison Half Marathon I put in 13.1 miles, 120 minutes, 9 water stops, 15 minute/mile when walking, 90% running and 10% walking, and it tells me the following:

Goal pace for overall race = 9:09

Run pace = 8:30

Walk 2:11 at each water stop

If I can run at an 8:30 pace between each water stop and walk for 2:11 at each water stop at a 15:00 pace I should be able to complete the race in 2 hours. I'll walk a total of 19:27, which should equate to about 1.3 miles (10% of the race distance). That means I'll run a total of 11.8 miles, and if I do so at an 8:30 pace I'll run a total of 1:40:18, for a grand total time of 1:59:45.

It's never going to be exact because there's no way I can maintain the perfect pace at all times, but at least this tool can help with the planning for a race.

 

[El Floppo]

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]Seriously that is a great time - good luck next weekend!

Thanks. If I can run 1:30 in the half (either next Saturday at Oshkosh or next month in GB), then I'm going to take aim at my 3:10 BQ time in the full marathon this fall. I'm thinking either Chicago, Twin Cities, or Milwaukee, all of which are being held on 10/7. Thoughts?

Remember, you can actually run 3:10:59. Of course, I can qualify with a 3:35:59 because I'm old ...and after yesterday's strong ten-miler, I think I might have a shot (despite being my first marathon). I ran a good, steady fourteen miles today with little discomfort other than the 8 degree windchill!If you're running for any sort of time, I don't recommend Chicago. Soooo many people. (Speaking of which, where's Rusty?) I've gone down to watch the late stages of the race, and it's still very crowded.

I hear good things about the Marine's Marathon in DC- fwiw.Triman- I have full confidence in you and that 3:35 and I know you're aware miles 20-26 are just a little bit tougher than miles 1-20... Oh- had meant to mention in the Meniere's discussion- definitely go for the IM. Really- one of the best things I've ever done (especially proposing at the end). But in the same way, going from a 1/2 to a full IM was an exponentially huge jump. Just keep in mind that the training will kick the crap out of you- seriously. Or at least, it kicked the crap out of me...

 

[gruecd]

Remember, you can actually run 3:10:59. Of course, I can qualify with a 3:35:59 because I'm old ...and after yesterday's strong ten-miler, I think I might have a shot (despite being my first marathon). I ran a good, steady fourteen miles today with little discomfort other than the 8 degree windchill!

If you're running for any sort of time, I don't recommend Chicago. Soooo many people. (Speaking of which, where's Rusty?) I've gone down to watch the late stages of the race, and it's still very crowded.

Really? I would qualify for Start Corral B, so I didn't think it would be that bad. The course is supposedly flat and fast, and I'm told that the crowd support is awesome. My bigger concern is that the hotel prices are ridiculous, and there's no practical way that my wife could get around to see me on the course. If I don't decide pretty soon, my mind will be made up for me, because they've already got 30K people registered, and they only take 45K.Milwaukee is convenient (only 100 miles from home) and definitely less crowded (2,500 runners), but I'm concerned that it will be boring. I ran Twin Cities in 2005, and it was a lot of fun, but the last 5 miles are a long, gradual incline, so I'm not sure it's the best for BQ.

 

[El Floppo]

Remember, you can actually run 3:10:59. Of course, I can qualify with a 3:35:59 because I'm old ...and after yesterday's strong ten-miler, I think I might have a shot (despite being my first marathon). I ran a good, steady fourteen miles today with little discomfort other than the 8 degree windchill!

If you're running for any sort of time, I don't recommend Chicago. Soooo many people. (Speaking of which, where's Rusty?) I've gone down to watch the late stages of the race, and it's still very crowded.

Really? I would qualify for Start Corral B, so I didn't think it would be that bad. The course is supposedly flat and fast, and I'm told that the crowd support is awesome. My bigger concern is that the hotel prices are ridiculous, and there's no practical way that my wife could get around to see me on the course. If I don't decide pretty soon, my mind will be made up for me, because they've already got 30K people registered, and they only take 45K.Milwaukee is convenient (only 100 miles from home) and definitely less crowded (2,500 runners), but I'm concerned that it will be boring. I ran Twin Cities in 2005, and it was a lot of fun, but the last 5 miles are a long, gradual incline, so I'm not sure it's the best for BQ.

For some reason, that made me laugh.As did imagining your avatar to be what you looked like running.

 

[tri-man 47]

gruecd - Chicago is very, very flat. So in that sense, you could use that to your advantage. Actually, with some planning (and even better, a bike), your wife could catch you at a handful of spots. The downtown hotels are pricey, but you could stay in some nearby suburbs (30 minutes or less from downtown) for modest rates (< $100?). Put it this way: If you commit to Chicago because of the flat, fast course (and put aside the crowd issues), we can guide you through the other logistics. But you will face a number of logistics.

El Floppo: Yeah, I know miles 21-26 are much harder than 1-20. What I don't know is whether running on fresh legs (with a taper, and no pace run the day before my long runs) will offset that additional challenge. I guess I'll find out! But I respect that fact.

And concerning the IM, I can put in more time next year since my youngest heads off to college in the fall (so we become empty nesters) ...I can add an evening workout without feeling like I'm 'cheating' time from the kids. But I know it will be a lot a' lot a' work. But hey, if your wife is at the finish line for me to propose to as well, then I'm sure it will be worth it!

 

[Schmegma]

I wouldn't suggest switching training methods entirely this far in but you still may want to incorporate walk breaks into your long runs. The principle is very simple, from the very beginning of your long runs go for 5-8 minutes running followed by 1 minute walking. This is counter-intuitive but you will have a better chance of maintaining that 9minute mile pace.The idea is that at every point in the race you will be fresher than had you run hard the entire time. Point being is that while the constant runners are slowing down at mile 18 you will be maintaining your original pace and passing those people. Your recovery is also supposed to be easier too.It is a little difficult to supress ego at the beginning but there is no doubting the fact that this method has wildly successful results.

I tried a variation of this today. My training plan said my long run today was 7 miles at a 10:55 pace. I ran the first 3/4 of every mile as close to a 9:53 pace as possible. I walked the last 1/4 of every mile as close to a 15:00 pace as possible. It actually worked quite well, and I went 7.4 miles in 1:19:37, which is an average pace of 10:47. That's the fastest pace I've "maintained" in my training this season, and I think it helped me overcome some problems with left knee pain and a numb right foot that started at about 4.25 miles.I'm seriously considering trying this during my half marathon in May.

 

[El Floppo]

gruecd - Chicago is very, very flat. So in that sense, you could use that to your advantage. Actually, with some planning (and even better, a bike), your wife could catch you at a handful of spots. The downtown hotels are pricey, but you could stay in some nearby suburbs (30 minutes or less from downtown) for modest rates (< $100?). Put it this way: If you commit to Chicago because of the flat, fast course (and put aside the crowd issues), we can guide you through the other logistics. But you will face a number of logistics.El Floppo: Yeah, I know miles 21-26 are much harder than 1-20. What I don't know is whether running on fresh legs (with a taper, and no pace run the day before my long runs) will offset that additional challenge. I guess I'll find out! But I respect that fact. And concerning the IM, I can put in more time next year since my youngest heads off to college in the fall (so we become empty nesters) ...I can add an evening workout without feeling like I'm 'cheating' time from the kids. But I know it will be a lot a' lot a' work. But hey, if your wife is at the finish line for me to propose to as well, then I'm sure it will be worth it!

... I'll see what I can do.I wish I knew more about the marathon thing- the IM run was such a freakshow with the broken toe... walked a LOT, and then tried to do some math in my head figuring what it would take to get me to the finish line under 13:00 (which was about a 10k away at mile 20 or so). For my life I couldn't figure it at all, so I just started running as fast as I could- didn't want to put myself in a situation where I'd have to pick between proposing or getting in under the hour mark (and it would've been the latter).eta: The IM training will be great tonic for you dealing with the kid out of the house- just make sure to get the wife on board. It ends up being a LOT of hours out there training, and ruins a lot (read: all) of weekends. I still can't get over how many hours/miles a week I was doing- but it sounds like you're definitely on the road with comments like "an easy 10 miler".If and when the time comes, let me know- I trained with a club with some great coaches who had us all fantastically prepared to not just finish, but race our best out there. I can try to dig up some of those training schedules for yaThat last 10k were the best miles I ran in the whole thing (Miles 1-10 my toe was a world of hurt from the bike), so what the hell do I know anyways.

 

[Chaka]

I wouldn't suggest switching training methods entirely this far in but you still may want to incorporate walk breaks into your long runs. The principle is very simple, from the very beginning of your long runs go for 5-8 minutes running followed by 1 minute walking. This is counter-intuitive but you will have a better chance of maintaining that 9minute mile pace.The idea is that at every point in the race you will be fresher than had you run hard the entire time. Point being is that while the constant runners are slowing down at mile 18 you will be maintaining your original pace and passing those people. Your recovery is also supposed to be easier too.It is a little difficult to supress ego at the beginning but there is no doubting the fact that this method has wildly successful results.

I tried a variation of this today. My training plan said my long run today was 7 miles at a 10:55 pace. I ran the first 3/4 of every mile as close to a 9:53 pace as possible. I walked the last 1/4 of every mile as close to a 15:00 pace as possible. It actually worked quite well, and I went 7.4 miles in 1:19:37, which is an average pace of 10:47. That's the fastest pace I've "maintained" in my training this season, and I think it helped me overcome some problems with left knee pain and a numb right foot that started at about 4.25 miles.I'm seriously considering trying this during my half marathon in May.

I am training for my first marathon and Galloway was recommended to me by someone I trust. The program is working great for me and I am very happy with my times on all my runs. I have no frame of reference with which to compare his method but I plan to stick with it through my first then evaluate the process.

 

[tri-man 47]

gruecd (and Rusty): I woke up real early and couldn't get back to sleep, so more on the Chicago marathon. One great option would be to stay at a place like The Write Inn in Oak Park (can't seem to post a link). Oak Park is the nearest suburb to Chicago (9 miles due west). The Write Inn is about a mile from my house, and it's one block from several restaurants and shops in "downtown" Oak Park. OP is known worldwide to architectural buffs as the hometown of Frank Lloyd Wright. His home and studio (where my wife used to work) is 1/2 mile from the hotel, and a slew of FLW homes are in the area. It'd be a great base for the weekend - a small, quaint hotel in a small, quaint suburb.

On race day, you could, at a minimum, walk one block and take the el train into the city (do this, too, on Saturday to try out the el and go get checked in). It drops you off a few blocks from the start. After the race, take the el back out and get your car! The Write Inn uses a parking garage that's literally a stone's throw from the el station. The el train takes about 20 minutes to get you into the city. The trains run every 7-10 minutes. On a Saturday afternoon or early Sunday morning, it's safe. (Actually, if it's just a couple of you, I'll drive you in and drop you off). Saturday marathoners' cornhole in Oak Park?

 

[pigskinliquors]

El Floppo: Yeah, I know miles 21-26 are much harder than 1-20. What I don't know is whether running on fresh legs (with a taper, and no pace run the day before my long runs) will offset that additional challenge. I guess I'll find out! But I respect that fact.

Tri-Man: I can attest that yes, miles 21-26 are difficult, but due to your taper (rested, strong legs) miles 1-20 will be much easier than you've expected. Run within yourself, and don't get too cocky, and those last 6.2 miles will be a piece of cake

 

[GStrot]

Did 10mi this morning, essentially as two 5mi loops (did 5, took a 1-2min break for Gatorade, then 5 more). It went MUCH better than the 12mi last week. Except for the break at 5, I ran the whole distance. I-T with the at around 7, but I think it may have done so because that section of the route turned out to be some freakin' mean hills! Once it got flat again (with a slight downhill), the ache went away. Quads were burning a little when I finished, probably from the hills as well.I think I saw the blonde from last week again. If it wasn't her, it was another cute blonde. Yet again, she was running the opposite direction! She had on a TNT shirt, so hopefully I'll see her again, strike up a conversation, and maybe find a running partner. Three weeks to go!

 

[GStrot]

Remember, you can actually run 3:10:59. Of course, I can qualify with a 3:35:59 because I'm old ...and after yesterday's strong ten-miler, I think I might have a shot (despite being my first marathon). I ran a good, steady fourteen miles today with little discomfort other than the 8 degree windchill!

If you're running for any sort of time, I don't recommend Chicago. Soooo many people. (Speaking of which, where's Rusty?) I've gone down to watch the late stages of the race, and it's still very crowded.

Really? I would qualify for Start Corral B, so I didn't think it would be that bad. The course is supposedly flat and fast, and I'm told that the crowd support is awesome. My bigger concern is that the hotel prices are ridiculous, and there's no practical way that my wife could get around to see me on the course. If I don't decide pretty soon, my mind will be made up for me, because they've already got 30K people registered, and they only take 45K.Milwaukee is convenient (only 100 miles from home) and definitely less crowded (2,500 runners), but I'm concerned that it will be boring. I ran Twin Cities in 2005, and it was a lot of fun, but the last 5 miles are a long, gradual incline, so I'm not sure it's the best for BQ.

I have watched the Chicago marathon 4 times and getting around is not that bad. The course is pretty circular and the public transportation is pretty convenient. You have to know what you are doing ahead of time. Avoid Chinatown.

 

[GStrot]

I wouldn't suggest switching training methods entirely this far in but you still may want to incorporate walk breaks into your long runs. The principle is very simple, from the very beginning of your long runs go for 5-8 minutes running followed by 1 minute walking. This is counter-intuitive but you will have a better chance of maintaining that 9minute mile pace.The idea is that at every point in the race you will be fresher than had you run hard the entire time. Point being is that while the constant runners are slowing down at mile 18 you will be maintaining your original pace and passing those people. Your recovery is also supposed to be easier too.It is a little difficult to supress ego at the beginning but there is no doubting the fact that this method has wildly successful results.

I tried a variation of this today. My training plan said my long run today was 7 miles at a 10:55 pace. I ran the first 3/4 of every mile as close to a 9:53 pace as possible. I walked the last 1/4 of every mile as close to a 15:00 pace as possible. It actually worked quite well, and I went 7.4 miles in 1:19:37, which is an average pace of 10:47. That's the fastest pace I've "maintained" in my training this season, and I think it helped me overcome some problems with left knee pain and a numb right foot that started at about 4.25 miles.I'm seriously considering trying this during my half marathon in May.

 

[GStrot]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.

I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

 

[El Floppo]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

I'm not running bupkis... and I'm posting in here.I think you're doing great- seriously an inspiration, for me at least.I forget- what do you get when you win your bet?

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.

I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

While many in programs like TNT are running their first marathons (or halfs) without any prior running background, many others run 10Ks for years before trying a marathon. I have a drawer full of tshirts from all the freakin' 10Ks I ran before my first marathon.If a 10K is all that's on your radar, then fine. Don't worry about measuring up to the rest of us who have loftier goals. 10K used to be a long distance for me, now it's just a training run.

Personally, I've never considered a triathlon. Not sure where I'd begin for one thing. I'm not sure how well my doing the breaststroke would go over, considering I'd probably kick people in the face more than usual. lol I also don't own a bike that would probably be suitable for a tri, and I get skeert when I hear about the prices involved (yeah I know, I don't have to get the gold-plated model, but still...). I'm happy running marathons, tho when I get these five races out of the way, I might get lazy and not ever run again, at least not until the kids are out of the house and I have more mad money. The final two races should be interesting -- they're only (yes, only) half-marathons, which normally (for me) is a ten-weeks-before-marathon training distance. We'll see how that works out.

It's just a matter of perspective. You see "a race" as 10K, I see it as 26.2mi, and tri-man sees it as whatever distances are involved (too lazy to look it up lol 2/116/26.2??). Just compare yourself to others in your training situation. Don't mind us, we're just hijacking the thread. lol If we can lure you or other 10K-ers over to the Dark Side, more power to us.

 

[tri-man 47]

I'll echo what Sonoran said. We're all at different stages ...doing what we can and doing what we feel challenged to do. Especially from the triathlons (and the staggered starts), I've learned that I'm not competing with everyone else around me, I'm just challenging myself as best I can. Somebody else might have more time to train, or have a better bike, or have a collegiate swimming background, or be younger or older. Who knows. I just do the best I can, given the training I've put in.

Back in my 5K days, I used to enjoy walking back along the course after finishing ...getting a 1/4 mile from the finish, away from the finish line crowds. I'd then cheer on those further toward the back of the race, 'cause who knew which ones were competing for the first time, or achieving a long-sought goal, or returning from an injury or illness. They were the ones who were proudest of their accomplishment of just finishing a race.

As I've mentioned, I can't wait for all of our "race seasons" to arrive to see how everyone does, from 5Ks to 1/2-marathons to full marathons or triathlons.

And Schmegma, walking for 2 minutes through the water stations sounds like a lot ...too long, maybe. I don't know that you want your muscles cooling down too much, or your heart rate zigzagging up and down so much. 45 seconds to a minute might be more than enough.

 

[Schmegma]

And Schmegma, walking for 2 minutes through the water stations sounds like a lot ...too long, maybe. I don't know that you want your muscles cooling down too much, or your heart rate zigzagging up and down so much. 45 seconds to a minute might be more than enough.

Noted. I based that on a 90/10 split - running approximately 90% of the course and walking 10%. If I walk 1.3 miles at a 15:00 pace, it would take me about 19:30. With 9 water stops, I was figuring that would be 2:10 each time I walk.I guess I could bump it to 95/5, which means I could slow my running pace to 8:51, walk for 1:05 at each water station, and still finish in 2 hours. It's a long way off. I'm just considering all my options right now in case I don't think I can run for 13.1 miles straight.

 

[Chaka]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

While many in programs like TNT are running their first marathons (or halfs) without any prior running background, many others run 10Ks for years before trying a marathon. I have a drawer full of tshirts from all the freakin' 10Ks I ran before my first marathon.If a 10K is all that's on your radar, then fine. Don't worry about measuring up to the rest of us who have loftier goals. 10K used to be a long distance for me, now it's just a training run.It's just a matter of perspective. You see "a race" as 10K, I see it as 26.2mi, and tri-man sees it as whatever distances are involved (too lazy to look it up lol 2/116/26.2??). Just compare yourself to others in your training situation. Don't mind us, we're just hijacking the thread. lol If we can lure you or other 10K-ers over to the Dark Side, more power to us.

Seriously GS listen to Roarin here. You can't compare yourself to faceless masses on the innerweb, we could all be damn liars.FWIW I was pretty much a 3 miler forever. I once mustered a 10 miler out of the blue and thought I wouldn't be able to walk for a week. For me I had a discipline shot in the arm after I did my 48 days on MasterCleanse, I came through that knowing I could go farther, since then my runs have really taken off. I run 4 days a week and my short run is 3.5 miles, my two medium runs are 6.5-7 and my long run has gone from 3 to 6 to 10 to 12 and gets 1-2 miles longer every week. Something just clicked for me, dropping from 220 to 180 also makes it much, much easier on my knees no doubt, but I believe it was the mental barrier that I had to overcome to make this happen and I haven't even accomplished anything yet.Keep working and find your stride. When you finish your 10K you should feel awesome that you accomplished your goal.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Back in my 5K days, I used to enjoy walking back along the course after finishing ...getting a 1/4 mile from the finish, away from the finish line crowds. I'd then cheer on those further toward the back of the race, 'cause who knew which ones were competing for the first time, or achieving a long-sought goal, or returning from an injury or illness. They were the ones who were proudest of their accomplishment of just finishing a race.

I do this as well. Too many people are focused on the winners, and us poor schlups in the back of the pack never get any of the glory. At PF Chang's, I hung around for about an hour after I finished, getting something to eat/drink, getting my body out of "race mode", then I started heading to the car. Along the way, I cheered on some of my teammates as they finished. One later told me that hearing her name gave her a boost to finish that last half-mile.Again, Tip#3726, get your name on the front of your race shirt/jersey. Write it on your forehead if you're really an attention hoor.

 

[El Floppo]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.

I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

While many in programs like TNT are running their first marathons (or halfs) without any prior running background, many others run 10Ks for years before trying a marathon. I have a drawer full of tshirts from all the freakin' 10Ks I ran before my first marathon.If a 10K is all that's on your radar, then fine. Don't worry about measuring up to the rest of us who have loftier goals. 10K used to be a long distance for me, now it's just a training run.

Personally, I've never considered a triathlon. Not sure where I'd begin for one thing. I'm not sure how well my doing the breaststroke would go over, considering I'd probably kick people in the face more than usual. lol I also don't own a bike that would probably be suitable for a tri, and I get skeert when I hear about the prices involved (yeah I know, I don't have to get the gold-plated model, but still...). I'm happy running marathons, tho when I get these five races out of the way, I might get lazy and not ever run again, at least not until the kids are out of the house and I have more mad money. The final two races should be interesting -- they're only (yes, only) half-marathons, which normally (for me) is a ten-weeks-before-marathon training distance. We'll see how that works out.

It's just a matter of perspective. You see "a race" as 10K, I see it as 26.2mi, and tri-man sees it as whatever distances are involved (too lazy to look it up lol 2/116/26.2??). Just compare yourself to others in your training situation. Don't mind us, we're just hijacking the thread. lol If we can lure you or other 10K-ers over to the Dark Side, more power to us.

Start with TNT- great coaches, hordes of cute young ladies, comradery of all the purple shirts, and the look of disgust from all the other racers you get at every event.

 

[pigskinliquors]

My 3rd full-week back is completed. I made it through my sore quad scenario, and was able to finally build a little speed. Due to my quads I cut back my mileage a bit, but still made some progress in speed. My week included:

*1 regular run: a 4 miler (quads were at their worst on that day = I went slow and short!).

*2 swims: 2200m (500m warmup; 800m at pace; 900m cool down) and 2000m (500m warmup; 3*500m slightly slower than pace).

*2 bike rides: (16 miler and 26 miler @ almost pace = best workout thus far)!

*1 brick: 16 mile bike @ 20.8mph (slow, but it was very windy) & 3 mile run @ 7:38 (quicker than I anticipated, but still quite a ways from desired pace)

* 3 days of abs; 2 days of pushups and back; 2 days of arms; 3 days of Yoga

I'm pleased w/ this week, but am surprised how sore my legs have been (mostly calves). The long layoff (longest since 1980 ) from running has been much more difficult to overcome than I anticipated. My swims and bike rides feel great, while running (usually the easiest) has been an extreme chore. My mind keeps telling my legs to turnover quicker, while my legs just don't want to respond. With my calves already sore, I may need to just be content with having a slow run come race day.

 

[wraith5]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

GStrot don't forget that this is YOUR thread - you've inspired all of us!! If the longer runners in the group are able to return that favor, then that's a good thing. I know I draw something from everyone - IM training or a 2.5 mile run - or even a daily set of crunches!! Anyway, good job on the 3 miler yesterday.With travel on the docket for Easter Sunday, I did my 13 miler on Saturday instead, the day after I pushed myself on the 4 miler. Not the best planning on my part. I improved my overall time by about 30 seconds, but really struggled over the last two miles. I intentionally pushed the pace a bit on the first 5 miles (9's instead of 9:15's), but the next 3 (a loop on my course) I ran way too hard (2:15 faster than I did the week before!) and that killed me for the last 5. Last week broke my streak of 4-run weeks at 4. I'll need to run tomorrow and Thurs to get back on track since I slept in today (post Cubs home opener - I needed the sleep!). So how many guys are thinking about running Chicago? When talking about using that race as a qualifier, there were 2189 people who finished with a sub 3:15 time (out of 33,637 finishers), so it's definitely possible to run a fast race there.

 

[gruecd]

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]Seriously that is a great time - good luck next weekend!

Thanks. If I can run 1:30 in the half (either next Saturday at Oshkosh or next month in GB), then I'm going to take aim at my 3:10 BQ time in the full marathon this fall. I'm thinking either Chicago, Twin Cities, or Milwaukee, all of which are being held on 10/7. Thoughts?

Training has been going well. Put in about 45 miles last week, and still injury-free. If I can finish close to 1:30 this weekend, I think I might actually change my registration for Green Bay and take at BQ'ing (3:10) in the full marathon on May 20th. I'll race the half this week then do long runs of 16, 18, and 20 on the next three Saturdays before starting a 2-week taper. I'll also do mid-week middle-distance runs of 8-10 miles in addition to my normal maintenance miles. Pretty ambitious, I know, but I'm feeling good, and I'm hoping that the lack of long runs (I'd normally do at least 5 runs of 16+ miles) might actually give me some extra "spring" in my legs. Thoughts???

 

[gruecd]

So how many guys are thinking about running Chicago? When talking about using that race as a qualifier, there were 2189 people who finished with a sub 3:15 time (out of 33,637 finishers), so it's definitely possible to run a fast race there.

I was (and still kinda am) thinking about it, but I'm hoping to maybe qualify at Green Bay next month instead. FWIW, anyone who doesn't decide relatively soon is going to have their mind made up for them. As of this morning, there were already more than 32,000 runners registered, and they're "only" taking 45,000 before it's closed. My guess is that it will be full before the end of April (which sucks, because I'd love to wait and see how I do in Green Bay, but it doesn't appear as if I'll have that luxury).

 

[Tiger Fan]

Here's a pretty cool link that lets you calculate distances via google maps

http://www.usatf.org/routes/map/

 

[wraith5]

So how many guys are thinking about running Chicago? When talking about using that race as a qualifier, there were 2189 people who finished with a sub 3:15 time (out of 33,637 finishers), so it's definitely possible to run a fast race there.

I was (and still kinda am) thinking about it, but I'm hoping to maybe qualify at Green Bay next month instead. FWIW, anyone who doesn't decide relatively soon is going to have their mind made up for them. As of this morning, there were already more than 32,000 runners registered, and they're "only" taking 45,000 before it's closed. My guess is that it will be full before the end of April (which sucks, because I'd love to wait and see how I do in Green Bay, but it doesn't appear as if I'll have that luxury).

I really hate that you have to register so early now. Hopefully there will be some backlash at some point and they'll implement something that actually makes sense for people (like opening registration in April). I don't know what a "normal" attrition rate is, but 25% seems awfully high to me.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Start with TNT- great coaches, hordes of cute young ladies, comradery of all the purple shirts, and the look of disgust from all the other racers you get at every event.

I'm familiar with TNT, that's where I've run my last two marathons. Ah yes, the lovely ladies. However, this past winter sucked as we did our longs runs early in the morning and it was still dark and they were all bundled up from the cold, thus rendering nearly impossible. Then there was the blonde with the ginormous cans 18months ago...she only lasted a few weeks. I was "don't know where to begin" moreso from the equipment angle. I won a mountain bike in a drawing at Burger King a couple years ago, and that's about the limit of my biking experience over the last 20yrs or so. If riding on a consistent basis was in my future, then I could see investing in a tri-type bike. Then there's the whole Speedo situation -- I don't want to show off, ya know.

 

[GStrot]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

I'm not running bupkis... and I'm posting in here.I think you're doing great- seriously an inspiration, for me at least.I forget- what do you get when you win your bet?

It was more of a cahllenge than an actual bet. More of a challenge after a few beers due to alcohol induced bragging and posturing.The funny update to the bet is that I will be running with his wife so there is no real time limit and I am actually doing him somewhat of a favor. My wife may run too but her knee is bugging her so who knows.

 

[GStrot]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.

I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

While many in programs like TNT are running their first marathons (or halfs) without any prior running background, many others run 10Ks for years before trying a marathon. I have a drawer full of tshirts from all the freakin' 10Ks I ran before my first marathon.If a 10K is all that's on your radar, then fine. Don't worry about measuring up to the rest of us who have loftier goals. 10K used to be a long distance for me, now it's just a training run.

Personally, I've never considered a triathlon. Not sure where I'd begin for one thing. I'm not sure how well my doing the breaststroke would go over, considering I'd probably kick people in the face more than usual. lol I also don't own a bike that would probably be suitable for a tri, and I get skeert when I hear about the prices involved (yeah I know, I don't have to get the gold-plated model, but still...). I'm happy running marathons, tho when I get these five races out of the way, I might get lazy and not ever run again, at least not until the kids are out of the house and I have more mad money. The final two races should be interesting -- they're only (yes, only) half-marathons, which normally (for me) is a ten-weeks-before-marathon training distance. We'll see how that works out.

It's just a matter of perspective. You see "a race" as 10K, I see it as 26.2mi, and tri-man sees it as whatever distances are involved (too lazy to look it up lol 2/116/26.2??). Just compare yourself to others in your training situation. Don't mind us, we're just hijacking the thread. lol If we can lure you or other 10K-ers over to the Dark Side, more power to us.

Thanks.

 

[GStrot]

Ran 3 this morning. I don't know if it was because it was Monday or because I ate like a pig yesterday but it was a bit rough. I made it through and can't wait to see how I react to longer runs.I just started the 10k program and it seems like I have been alternating between 2.5 and 3 miles forever. It sure would make me feel like less of a wuss posting in here with all the people running marathons.

While many in programs like TNT are running their first marathons (or halfs) without any prior running background, many others run 10Ks for years before trying a marathon. I have a drawer full of tshirts from all the freakin' 10Ks I ran before my first marathon.If a 10K is all that's on your radar, then fine. Don't worry about measuring up to the rest of us who have loftier goals. 10K used to be a long distance for me, now it's just a training run.It's just a matter of perspective. You see "a race" as 10K, I see it as 26.2mi, and tri-man sees it as whatever distances are involved (too lazy to look it up lol 2/116/26.2??). Just compare yourself to others in your training situation. Don't mind us, we're just hijacking the thread. lol If we can lure you or other 10K-ers over to the Dark Side, more power to us.

Seriously GS listen to Roarin here. You can't compare yourself to faceless masses on the innerweb, we could all be damn liars.FWIW I was pretty much a 3 miler forever. I once mustered a 10 miler out of the blue and thought I wouldn't be able to walk for a week. For me I had a discipline shot in the arm after I did my 48 days on MasterCleanse, I came through that knowing I could go farther, since then my runs have really taken off. I run 4 days a week and my short run is 3.5 miles, my two medium runs are 6.5-7 and my long run has gone from 3 to 6 to 10 to 12 and gets 1-2 miles longer every week. Something just clicked for me, dropping from 220 to 180 also makes it much, much easier on my knees no doubt, but I believe it was the mental barrier that I had to overcome to make this happen and I haven't even accomplished anything yet.Keep working and find your stride. When you finish your 10K you should feel awesome that you accomplished your goal.

Serious thanks. I am not feeling so mopey today. We will see after I run tomorrow.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

I posted several weeks ago that I jumped on a $200 airfare to Nashville for my next marathon. The price immediately jumped the next day, and went higher after that. Today, it's $142.

ETA: upon further review, the penalty flag is waved off. This is mainly for a red-eye that arrives almost three hours after the start of the marathon.

 

[GStrot]

My 3rd full-week back is completed. I made it through my sore quad scenario, and was able to finally build a little speed. Due to my quads I cut back my mileage a bit, but still made some progress in speed. My week included:*1 regular run: a 4 miler (quads were at their worst on that day = I went slow and short!).*2 swims: 2200m (500m warmup; 800m at pace; 900m cool down) and 2000m (500m warmup; 3*500m slightly slower than pace).*2 bike rides: (16 miler and 26 miler @ almost pace = best workout thus far)!*1 brick: 16 mile bike @ 20.8mph (slow, but it was very windy) & 3 mile run @ 7:38 (quicker than I anticipated, but still quite a ways from desired pace) * 3 days of abs; 2 days of pushups and back; 2 days of arms; 3 days of YogaI'm pleased w/ this week, but am surprised how sore my legs have been (mostly calves). The long layoff (longest since 1980 ) from running has been much more difficult to overcome than I anticipated. My swims and bike rides feel great, while running (usually the easiest) has been an extreme chore. My mind keeps telling my legs to turnover quicker, while my legs just don't want to respond. With my calves already sore, I may need to just be content with having a slow run come race day.

solid week.

 

[GStrot]

GStrot don't forget that this is YOUR thread - you've inspired all of us!! If the longer runners in the group are able to return that favor, then that's a good thing. I know I draw something from everyone - IM training or a 2.5 mile run - or even a daily set of crunches!! Anyway, good job on the 3 miler yesterday.With travel on the docket for Easter Sunday, I did my 13 miler on Saturday instead, the day after I pushed myself on the 4 miler. Not the best planning on my part. I improved my overall time by about 30 seconds, but really struggled over the last two miles. I intentionally pushed the pace a bit on the first 5 miles (9's instead of 9:15's), but the next 3 (a loop on my course) I ran way too hard (2:15 faster than I did the week before!) and that killed me for the last 5. Last week broke my streak of 4-run weeks at 4. I'll need to run tomorrow and Thurs to get back on track since I slept in today (post Cubs home opener - I needed the sleep!). So how many guys are thinking about running Chicago? When talking about using that race as a qualifier, there were 2189 people who finished with a sub 3:15 time (out of 33,637 finishers), so it's definitely possible to run a fast race there.

Thanks for lifting me up. Nice job on finishing your run even when you were struggling.

 

[tri-man 47]

The funny update to the bet is that I will be running with his wife so there is no real time limit and I am actually doing him somewhat of a favor.

I smell an offshoot of the "SIL" thread coming here:"We reached the 2 mile mark, and slowed for a cool, moist drink. She noticed the outline of my nipplage bandaids, standing out against my taut, sweat-stained shirt, and immediately suggested that after the race we should slip into the medical tent for some massage therapy. Together, we sped through mile three, striding harder, ever harder. We exploded through the finish line. I was completely spent ..."

 

[RustyFA]

Thanks for the hotel advice Tri-Man. I have one for $325 for 2 nights. More than I wanted to pay but at least it is already paid for.

It was in the -30's with wind chill so I skipped two workouts last week. I have ran in -20 this winter but we decided not to do it after showing up at 5:30am. Ran another 7 miler on Sunday. That ties my longest, again. We are in the process of getting 7 inches of snow so I will have to go treadmill in the morning. My marathon training program starts June 6th so missing one here there isn't too horrible now. I just don't want to go to far too early. And my hip stills aches.

Great job guys, keep it up!!

Is it spring yet?

 

[MelvinTScupper]

after 4 days of debauchery in Augusta, GA, I'm back on track. Only 3 miles tonight, but at least I ran.

 

[El Floppo]

Start with TNT- great coaches, hordes of cute young ladies, comradery of all the purple shirts, and the look of disgust from all the other racers you get at every event.

I'm familiar with TNT, that's where I've run my last two marathons. Ah yes, the lovely ladies. However, this past winter sucked as we did our longs runs early in the morning and it was still dark and they were all bundled up from the cold, thus rendering nearly impossible. Then there was the blonde with the ginormous cans 18months ago...she only lasted a few weeks. I was "don't know where to begin" moreso from the equipment angle. I won a mountain bike in a drawing at Burger King a couple years ago, and that's about the limit of my biking experience over the last 20yrs or so. If riding on a consistent basis was in my future, then I could see investing in a tri-type bike. Then there's the whole Speedo situation -- I don't want to show off, ya know.

If you're actually interested- don't worry about the gear for now.Sign up for an olympic tri through TNT- use your mtn bike (my first with them was an Olympic and lots of folks were riding mtn bikes) and get yourself some tri shorts for the swimming, or just use regular old swim shorts for training. Gear = done.TNT tri team = girls, girls, girls. And you get to see them in swim-suits :brong:

 

[El Floppo]

My training is on perma-hold.

The recent running aggravated a knee injury I picked up last summer. Instead of going on, I decided to shut it down early until I see my doc next week. I've also picked up some kind of ear thing that made my one swim session very uncomfortable. So on top of being freaked out about the ear thing, I've also decided to shut the swimming down until I get an MRI and see my docs tomorrow and next week.

I need to get on my bike before I start losing parts off me.

 

[RustyFA]

I hope the knee issue goes away. Was it diagnosed as anything last year? Hopefully a little RnR takes it out. Good luck.

 

[tri-man 47]

My training is on perma-hold.The recent running aggravated a knee injury I picked up last summer. Instead of going on, I decided to shut it down early until I see my doc next week. I've also picked up some kind of ear thing that made my one swim session very uncomfortable. So on top of being freaked out about the ear thing, I've also decided to shut the swimming down until I get an MRI and see my docs tomorrow and next week.I need to get on my bike before I start losing parts off me.

Big-time bummer! Back it down, and maybe get into some strength and flexibility training, I suppose. Good luck.Snowstorm here in Chicago! I guess I'll swim this morning instead of running. Then it's off to Louisville until Sunday afternoon. Got some runs charted out for the trip. Keep at it guys! I'll check back in to here the latest on Sunday night.

 

[El Floppo]

I hope the knee issue goes away. Was it diagnosed as anything last year? Hopefully a little RnR takes it out. Good luck.

Had an MRI that didn't reveal anything, so the crappy doctor that took my crappy insurance had nothing to offer.I'm seeing somebody else next week, essentially for a 2nd opinion months after the fact.A guy I played college soccer with is now an Orthopoedist, specializing in sports medicine. Of course, he doesn't take my insurance, but offered to make an exception in my case. Yahoo! Except my crappy insurance won't let him make an exception! I mentioned I have crappy insurance, right?

 

[El Floppo]

My training is on perma-hold.The recent running aggravated a knee injury I picked up last summer. Instead of going on, I decided to shut it down early until I see my doc next week. I've also picked up some kind of ear thing that made my one swim session very uncomfortable. So on top of being freaked out about the ear thing, I've also decided to shut the swimming down until I get an MRI and see my docs tomorrow and next week.I need to get on my bike before I start losing parts off me.

Big-time bummer! Back it down, and maybe get into some strength and flexibility training, I suppose. Good luck.Snowstorm here in Chicago! I guess I'll swim this morning instead of running. Then it's off to Louisville until Sunday afternoon. Got some runs charted out for the trip. Keep at it guys! I'll check back in to here the latest on Sunday night.

I have a feeling I'll be doing some PT once I see the next doc. And I've got to start doing some yoga one of these days- seems like the tonic for what ails me (as well as providing lots of attractive and flexible PYTs).I always love doing runs in new places- great way to see the place in a way you wouldn't normally.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Got out and ran. Decided to run next weekend's half marathon course and finished the 13.1 miles in 1:39:17 (7:35 pace) despite 16-degree wind chills and 20+ mph winds. Should be in good shape for my 1:30 goal time for next weekend. Sure does feel good to be done with my long run for the weekend!!!

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]

Let's see. In a 10k, that's about 45 mins. Don't think I said 45 was slow.

 

[El Floppo]

Got out and ran. Decided to run next weekend's half marathon course and finished the 13.1 miles in 1:39:17 (7:35 pace) despite 16-degree wind chills and 20+ mph winds. Should be in good shape for my 1:30 goal time for next weekend. Sure does feel good to be done with my long run for the weekend!!!

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]

Let's see. In a 10k, that's about 45 mins. Don't think I said 45 was slow.

But is it average?

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Got out and ran. Decided to run next weekend's half marathon course and finished the 13.1 miles in 1:39:17 (7:35 pace) despite 16-degree wind chills and 20+ mph winds. Should be in good shape for my 1:30 goal time for next weekend. Sure does feel good to be done with my long run for the weekend!!!

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]

Let's see. In a 10k, that's about 45 mins. Don't think I said 45 was slow.

But is it average?

Yes. Maybe slightly less than average.

 

[wraith5]

Got out and ran. Decided to run next weekend's half marathon course and finished the 13.1 miles in 1:39:17 (7:35 pace) despite 16-degree wind chills and 20+ mph winds. Should be in good shape for my 1:30 goal time for next weekend. Sure does feel good to be done with my long run for the weekend!!!

[Melvin] 7:35? Meh!! [/Melvin]

Let's see. In a 10k, that's about 45 mins. Don't think I said 45 was slow.

Check out post #95... it's Gold, Jerry... Gold. (I was going to repost it but I don't really want to rehash the early discussions - just continue the running gag in this thread and rib Melvin a bit). I did a little over three on the treadmill this morning - most of the time at a 7:30 +/- pace and a slight incline. I'm starting to think I'm going to push for a 45 minute 10k pace myself, just to see if I can get there.