Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)

[RoarinSonoran]

5k in 29:36 last night. I just missed a light rain (which probably would have kept me cool), so the humidity took a toll.

 

[Darrinll40]

I haven't had a chance to post lately.

Furley - 2.3 miles, I am impressed. Do you enjoy running as much as I do? It certainly makes it better if you do.

Congrats to all those who had races this weekend. In the long run it doesn't matter how well you do, just that you do do.

Speaking of doodoo, I have had an interesting week so far.

After experiencing the leg cramps after my 13 mile run on Saturday I went out and bought a camelback hydrobak 07 tp help me hydrate during the run. The small bottle on the fuel belt are not enough. So yesterday afternoon I filled it with Gatorade and went out for a 7 mile run. I was planning to take it easy to see if I could get used to the thing on my back. About 1/2 way through the run I started to get really bad stomach cramps. Usually if I feel like that I just pass the gas, the problem was that it wasn't gas! Now I had two choices, I could call my wife to come and pick me up, or I could gut (literally) it out and finish. Being a man, I finished, and barely made it home. The run I had done in 1:03 a week before took me 1:15 this week. There was a good outcome of this, it kept me up so late that this morning I was exhausted and called off sick for work. I believe that my problem was too many garbanzo beans in my salad and too much active culture yogurt. I usually have one or two a day, yesterday I had four.

Tonight I ran 5.8 miles with the camelbak and finished in 54:35 a great pace (for me) of 9:25 m/m. So I am fairly certain that I will be able to run the 13 mile course on Saturday with the camelbak and maybe skip the half hour of cramps. Plus I really dislike running with something like a fuel belt around my waist. The pack is very comfortable while running even though it is made for cycling.

I hope everyone is having a great week.

Darrin

 

[mr. furley]

Furley - 2.3 miles, I am impressed. Do you enjoy running as much as I do? It certainly makes it better if you do.

yeah man. it's good. never thought i'd say i would enjoy it but it's very relaxing and it gives me a sense of accomplishment. can't wait to start running some of the local races. mostly cause i like new t-shirts.

 

[Darrinll40]

Furley - 2.3 miles, I am impressed. Do you enjoy running as much as I do? It certainly makes it better if you do.

yeah man. it's good. never thought i'd say i would enjoy it but it's very relaxing and it gives me a sense of accomplishment. can't wait to start running some of the local races. mostly cause i like new t-shirts.

I like the t-shirts also. I wear them out on the weekends, it is kind of like bragging. Plus I am way to cheap to buy t-shirts. Plus most races have nice little goodie bags. When I ran in the Daytona 5K, at Daytona Speedway in January, I got a t-shirt, a ticket to the 24 hour race, and a ticket to Daytona USA, plus other coupons and stuff. I got about 40 bucks worth for a 25 dollar entry fee.

 

[gruecd]

Gruecd - a challenge? Yes, I challenge you to be a man and get out there and run the 5K. Being on grass, it's a good opportunity to work on your foot strike and balance. You do the 5K and I promise I won't walk any of my 13 miles (exception: 10 seconds max at water stations).

OK, I held up my end of the bargain. Finished my first-ever XC run in 21:48 (6:54 pace for the 3.16 miles I clocked on my Garmin), which was good for first place in the 30-34 age group.It was hot (around 90 degrees), and I really didn't know how my legs would feel running on grass, so I purposely ran pretty easy (normal 5K pace around 6:15). Ran 6:39 for the first mile, then pared it back a little bit and ran 7:00 and 7:08 for miles 2 & 3, respectively, before clocking 1:01 for the last .16 (guess I got a little sloppy on the tangents). Had enough gas in the tank to sprint the last 100 yards or so, so I probably took it a little too easy, but it felt good, I had fun, and it was an overall good experience.Now it's on you, tri-man!

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Furley - 2.3 miles, I am impressed. Do you enjoy running as much as I do? It certainly makes it better if you do.

yeah man. it's good. never thought i'd say i would enjoy it but it's very relaxing and it gives me a sense of accomplishment. can't wait to start running some of the local races. mostly cause i like new t-shirts.

I like the t-shirts also. I wear them out on the weekends, it is kind of like bragging. Plus I am way to cheap to buy t-shirts. Plus most races have nice little goodie bags. When I ran in the Daytona 5K, at Daytona Speedway in January, I got a t-shirt, a ticket to the 24 hour race, and a ticket to Daytona USA, plus other coupons and stuff. I got about 40 bucks worth for a 25 dollar entry fee.

It's all about the t-shirts for me too. I have at least a dozen now and wear them proudly. For one race this summer I actually got a technical tee - you know - the kind that wicks sweat. I love that shirt! There are ugly ones too that I only wear around the house or mowing the lawn, but they get their fair time.

 

[mr. furley]

There are ugly ones too that I only wear around the house or mowing the lawn, but they get their fair time.

there's never such a thing as too many of these

 

[Dash]

Darrin -- that much dairy before a run, even with a few hours to digest, is going to put anyone's gut in a knot.

On the nutrition/drinks front, Nashbar is having a really good one day sale today on nutrition items and has a coupon on the homepage for free standard shipping.

 

[gruecd]

On the nutrition/drinks front, Nashbar is having a really good one day sale today on nutrition items and has a coupon on the homepage for free standard shipping.

Thanks, Dash. Just ordered some Gatorade Endurance and some Accelerade, along with some Power Bars and some gels.

 

[mr. furley]

this has probably already been addressed but i can't find it

if i drink a little water before running.. or if i forget to p*ss.. i get a stitch in my right side, below my ribs. someone suggested a solution for it. something like kicking your achilles or some such.... that wasn't it but it was something wacky.

didn't get it last nite but did last friday.

 

[Darrinll40]

Darrin -- that much dairy before a run, even with a few hours to digest, is going to put anyone's gut in a knot.

I know that now. Live and learn I guess.

 

[Norman Einstein]

On the nutrition/drinks front, Nashbar is having a really good one day sale today on nutrition items and has a coupon on the homepage for free standard shipping.

lordy, where to start? what's a good deal and what is the best stuff for someone who runs about 3m every 3-4 days

 

[tri-man 47]

On the nutrition/drinks front, Nashbar is having a really good one day sale today on nutrition items and has a coupon on the homepage for free standard shipping.

lordy, where to start? what's a good deal and what is the best stuff for someone who runs about 3m every 3-4 days

For three miles or so? You really don't need anything fancy ...water, maybe some Gatorade. I wouldn't bother with anything for three miles, actually.The bars, gels, and Accelerade are better suited for longer distances (45 to an hour, or more).

 

[DolphinsPhan]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

 

[tri-man 47]

Gruecd - a challenge? Yes, I challenge you to be a man and get out there and run the 5K. Being on grass, it's a good opportunity to work on your foot strike and balance. You do the 5K and I promise I won't walk any of my 13 miles (exception: 10 seconds max at water stations).

OK, I held up my end of the bargain. Finished my first-ever XC run in 21:48 (6:54 pace for the 3.16 miles I clocked on my Garmin), which was good for first place in the 30-34 age group.It was hot (around 90 degrees), and I really didn't know how my legs would feel running on grass, so I purposely ran pretty easy (normal 5K pace around 6:15). Ran 6:39 for the first mile, then pared it back a little bit and ran 7:00 and 7:08 for miles 2 & 3, respectively, before clocking 1:01 for the last .16 (guess I got a little sloppy on the tangents). Had enough gas in the tank to sprint the last 100 yards or so, so I probably took it a little too easy, but it felt good, I had fun, and it was an overall good experience.Now it's on you, tri-man!

OK!Smart of you to keep it under control as you did. And you still took first in your age group! Well done, young man.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

can't wait to start running some of the local races. mostly cause i like new t-shirts.

I like the t-shirts also. I wear them out on the weekends, it is kind of like bragging. Plus I am way to cheap to buy t-shirts. Plus most races have nice little goodie bags. When I ran in the Daytona 5K, at Daytona Speedway in January, I got a t-shirt, a ticket to the 24 hour race, and a ticket to Daytona USA, plus other coupons and stuff. I got about 40 bucks worth for a 25 dollar entry fee.

It's all about the t-shirts for me too. I have at least a dozen now and wear them proudly. For one race this summer I actually got a technical tee - you know - the kind that wicks sweat. I love that shirt! There are ugly ones too that I only wear around the house or mowing the lawn, but they get their fair time.

I have a TON of shirts from all the 10ks I ran 20+yrs ago. I've seen ads in various magazines (Runner's World, etc) for a company that'll turn all those shirts into a quilt when you get tired of them/they're worn out/you need the dresser space.

 

[tri-man 47]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

 

[Dash]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

 

[El Floppo]

re: chafing in the nether regions.... Body Glide online, or try Baby diaper rash cremes- I use A/D, which holds up really well on longer workouts.

re: race t-shirts... I pretty much threw most of mine out Not enough room in our NYC apt, and most of them were really, really ugly- like beyond kitcsh ugly. I kept a lot of the 1sts (tri, 1/2, IM, etc) and any that were of the technical variety (Nike Run Hit Wonder 10k, Escape from Alactraz tri).

re: electrolyte tablets... I like Lava Salts- vs something like Endurolytes (never tried Elete), you only have to take 1 every hour vs a handful. If you're a high-mineral content sweater like me, and you're doing workouts/races longer than 2 or 3 hours, I'd highly recommend finding an electrolyte tab that works for you. Most will fit in a tic-tac box for easy 1-pill-at-a-time access, helpful especially on the bike.

 

[El Floppo]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

 

[El Floppo]

4m on Tues night- 34:10.

Another no-sleep night before, and it was stinkin' hot/humid. Things did not feel good, but glad it got done. Oh- doing the midweek runs without the walk at the mile points.

 

[Dash]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

 

[El Floppo]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

That early in the workout... doesn't seem like salt pills are the answer. You might want to make a point of hydrating more, and adding some salt to your meals the days before bigger workouts. Dunno. Mebbe, you're starting out too hard/fast?

 

[culdeus]

On the nutrition/drinks front, Nashbar is having a really good one day sale today on nutrition items and has a coupon on the homepage for free standard shipping.

lordy, where to start? what's a good deal and what is the best stuff for someone who runs about 3m every 3-4 days

Those prices aren't just world beaters really. Classic jack up and discount by nashbar there.

 

[Dash]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

That early in the workout... doesn't seem like salt pills are the answer. You might want to make a point of hydrating more, and adding some salt to your meals the days before bigger workouts. Dunno. Mebbe, you're starting out too hard/fast?

I thought that might be possible, but it happened on a recovery ride yesterday. Also, I make sure to get a good 15 minute warmup before any hard riding. I'll focus on the salt intake more throughout the day, but fluid intake isn't a problem as I'm lighter than lemonade most of the time. Maybe I'm drinking too much plain water and need to drink more liquids with stuff in them.

 

[tri-man 47]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

That early in the workout... doesn't seem like salt pills are the answer. You might want to make a point of hydrating more, and adding some salt to your meals the days before bigger workouts. Dunno. Mebbe, you're starting out too hard/fast?

I thought that might be possible, but it happened on a recovery ride yesterday. Also, I make sure to get a good 15 minute warmup before any hard riding. I'll focus on the salt intake more throughout the day, but fluid intake isn't a problem as I'm lighter than lemonade most of the time. Maybe I'm drinking too much plain water and need to drink more liquids with stuff in them.

Have you given yourself a recovery week recently? Might it be your position on the bike?

 

[Dash]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

That early in the workout... doesn't seem like salt pills are the answer. You might want to make a point of hydrating more, and adding some salt to your meals the days before bigger workouts. Dunno. Mebbe, you're starting out too hard/fast?

:( I thought that might be possible, but it happened on a recovery ride yesterday. Also, I make sure to get a good 15 minute warmup before any hard riding. I'll focus on the salt intake more throughout the day, but fluid intake isn't a problem as I'm lighter than lemonade most of the time. Maybe I'm drinking too much plain water and need to drink more liquids with stuff in them.

Have you given yourself a recovery week recently? Might it be your position on the bike?

Two weeks ago was essentially a recovery week (in 8 days I took 2 off, 3 painfully slow easy rides and 3 medium intensity rides). My road bike position hasn't changed, but come to think of it my spinning class bike did (on a recommendation from a long time cyclist I moved the seat a notch higher). The next time on the road bike was when I had the first calf problem. That just happened to coincide with the hot weather workouts. Hmm...I'm still going to focus on the salt/fluids intake, but at tonight's spin class I'll talk to the instructor about my position/calves/etc..

I really appreciate all the feed back from you guys. Thanks.

 

[El Floppo]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

That early in the workout... doesn't seem like salt pills are the answer. You might want to make a point of hydrating more, and adding some salt to your meals the days before bigger workouts. Dunno. Mebbe, you're starting out too hard/fast?

I thought that might be possible, but it happened on a recovery ride yesterday. Also, I make sure to get a good 15 minute warmup before any hard riding. I'll focus on the salt intake more throughout the day, but fluid intake isn't a problem as I'm lighter than lemonade most of the time. Maybe I'm drinking too much plain water and need to drink more liquids with stuff in them.

Have you given yourself a recovery week recently? Might it be your position on the bike?

Two weeks ago was essentially a recovery week (in 8 days I took 2 off, 3 painfully slow easy rides and 3 medium intensity rides). My road bike position hasn't changed, but come to think of it my spinning class bike did (on a recommendation from a long time cyclist I moved the seat a notch higher). The next time on the road bike was when I had the first calf problem. That just happened to coincide with the hot weather workouts. Hmm...I'm still going to focus on the salt/fluids intake, but at tonight's spin class I'll talk to the instructor about my position/calves/etc..

I really appreciate all the feed back from you guys. Thanks.

Although I'm a big fan of a real recovery week every month (everything easy- no medium intensity), it seems like you're on to something with the seat position- sounds like the most likely culprit.

 

[gruecd]

On the nutrition/drinks front, Nashbar is having a really good one day sale today on nutrition items and has a coupon on the homepage for free standard shipping.

lordy, where to start? what's a good deal and what is the best stuff for someone who runs about 3m every 3-4 days

Those prices aren't just world beaters really. Classic jack up and discount by nashbar there.

I don't know. The stuff I bought looked like pretty good prices to me.

 

[The Z Machine]

Durign my indoor volleyball days I used to get bad cramps in the calves. I took to eating a banana a day to get my potassium levels up and drinking more water. I'm not sure which one helped out more.

Thankfully I only get calf cramps now when I drink 8+ beers in one night and not enough water.

 

[2Young2BBald]

this has probably already been addressed but i can't find itif i drink a little water before running.. or if i forget to p*ss.. i get a stitch in my right side, below my ribs. someone suggested a solution for it. something like kicking your achilles or some such.... that wasn't it but it was something wacky.didn't get it last nite but did last friday.

Pinch your earlobe on the opposite side as the cramp. Seriously, it works.

 

[tri-man 47]

During my indoor volleyball days

:hijackid you play competitively - either college varsity or (more likely) club? My son's currently a top club player here in the midwest.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

Did a morning run this AM when it was only 77 degrees. Ran 7 miles. No cramping or otherwise. I woke up at 5:45 and had about 12 ozs of EAS Endurathon. The, 5 minutes before the run at 6:30 I had 10 more ozs of EAS Catapult. Not only did I not get cramps, I get a high of sorts about 1.25 miles in and have tons of energy for the entire run. Also did the EAS race recovery (btw, I halve the rec'd amounts for both the catapult & race recovery). I know the EAS stuff is expensive, but I have had great results. And, I did a few Yunkon Jack Snake Bites last night w/ a few beers, so I wasn't all that hydrated before I went to bed.

 

[gruecd]

:hijack:

Did you play competitively - either college varsity or (more likely) club? My son's currently a top club player here in the midwest.

Oh, great. Now it's going to be swimmers, cyclists, and volleyball players ruining the running thread!

 

[gruecd]

I think I'm actually getting acclimated to the hot, sticky weather. Bounced back from last night's 5K to do an easy 5-miler this afternoon in 39:18 despite continued temps in the 90s. Legs a little sore from using some different muscles during the cross-country run, but the heat really didn't bother me.

 

[mr. furley]

this has probably already been addressed but i can't find itif i drink a little water before running.. or if i forget to p*ss.. i get a stitch in my right side, below my ribs. someone suggested a solution for it. something like kicking your achilles or some such.... that wasn't it but it was something wacky.didn't get it last nite but did last friday.

Pinch your earlobe on the opposite side as the cramp. Seriously, it works.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

this has probably already been addressed but i can't find itif i drink a little water before running.. or if i forget to p*ss.. i get a stitch in my right side, below my ribs. someone suggested a solution for it. something like kicking your achilles or some such.... that wasn't it but it was something wacky.didn't get it last nite but did last friday.

Pinch your earlobe on the opposite side as the cramp. Seriously, it works.

Pinching your earlobe is how you keep your balance when stretching (standing on one foot, pulling the other leg up behind you).

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

I love Nuun tablets, and I've NEVER seen them priced as low as they are at Nashbar today, and shipping is free. All the flavors are great, but I'm really liking the Kona Kola with the caffeine right now.

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

I love Nuun tablets, and I've NEVER seen them priced as low as they are at Nashbar today, and shipping is free. All the flavors are great, but I'm really liking the Kona Kola with the caffeine right now.

Oops. Price just went from 3.99 to 5.99 in the last 10 minutes. Still, I've never seen them below 6.50 anywhere.

 

[Norman Einstein]

ran a 5k loop on the 30th at 33.46, which was slower than my last outing, so I thought about how I could cut down on the number of blocks I end up walking during the loop (typically around 10-12 blocks over the course of the run)...

tonight, I decided to try to slow down and see what happens...I ended up running it in 31.50 while only walking 5 blocks...

It felt weird going that slow, so I'm not sure if I can go any slower without feeling like I'm power walking...just need to work on my stamina and air flow to cut those last couple of walking blocks out of the picture

 

[parasaurolophus]

had 3 beers and a ton of tortilla chips then decided it was time for a run as I was feeling guilty about taking two nights off in a row.

that didnt work out so well.

 

[2Young2BBald]

this has probably already been addressed but i can't find it

if i drink a little water before running.. or if i forget to p*ss.. i get a stitch in my right side, below my ribs. someone suggested a solution for it. something like kicking your achilles or some such.... that wasn't it but it was something wacky.

didn't get it last nite but did last friday.

Pinch your earlobe on the opposite side as the cramp. Seriously, it works.

Pinching your earlobe is how you keep your balance when stretching (standing on one foot, pulling the other leg up behind you).

It works for me, but I have no idea where I learned it (I think it may have been from HS football during fall 2 a days). Tried the web and found thisinching your earlobe is suppose to be good for nausea here: http://ask.metafilter.com/39445/Neato

 

[tri-man 47]

just need to work on my stamina and air flow to cut those last couple of walking blocks out of the picture

Exhale ...exhale ...the inhale will take care of itself.

 

[culdeus]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

That early in the workout... doesn't seem like salt pills are the answer. You might want to make a point of hydrating more, and adding some salt to your meals the days before bigger workouts. Dunno. Mebbe, you're starting out too hard/fast?

I thought that might be possible, but it happened on a recovery ride yesterday. Also, I make sure to get a good 15 minute warmup before any hard riding. I'll focus on the salt intake more throughout the day, but fluid intake isn't a problem as I'm lighter than lemonade most of the time. Maybe I'm drinking too much plain water and need to drink more liquids with stuff in them.

Have you given yourself a recovery week recently? Might it be your position on the bike?

Two weeks ago was essentially a recovery week (in 8 days I took 2 off, 3 painfully slow easy rides and 3 medium intensity rides). My road bike position hasn't changed, but come to think of it my spinning class bike did (on a recommendation from a long time cyclist I moved the seat a notch higher). The next time on the road bike was when I had the first calf problem. That just happened to coincide with the hot weather workouts. Hmm...I'm still going to focus on the salt/fluids intake, but at tonight's spin class I'll talk to the instructor about my position/calves/etc..

I really appreciate all the feed back from you guys. Thanks.

Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.

 

[Dash]

Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.

I went home last night and my wife commented that the last couple days I've looked a bit more tired than usual so I took a full rest day. This morning I went out for the Friday coffee ride and what little lingering tightness was there got worked out (the tight, twitchy feeling had been around since Monday). My legs felt fairly fresh and are much better post-ride. No lingering soreness.I'm feeling comfortable enough on the bike that I'll play around with the toe pedaling position tomorrow on my long ride as I'm not concerned about time, just completing 64+ miles alone.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

5k in 28:55 last night. Was on a just-under-9:00 pace through 2mi, but had to walk around 2.35. I really need to work on dragging my butt out of bed in the morning, as running on an empty stomach coupled with being fresh (ie not at the end of a long day) seems to work better for me.

7mi on tap tomorrow.

 

[El Floppo]

Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.

I went home last night and my wife commented that the last couple days I've looked a bit more tired than usual so I took a full rest day. This morning I went out for the Friday coffee ride and what little lingering tightness was there got worked out (the tight, twitchy feeling had been around since Monday). My legs felt fairly fresh and are much better post-ride. No lingering soreness.I'm feeling comfortable enough on the bike that I'll play around with the toe pedaling position tomorrow on my long ride as I'm not concerned about time, just completing 64+ miles alone.

Glad to hear it's feeling better. ... But seriously- consider taking a recovery week every month where everything you do is at light effort (very tough to keep from letting loose the hounds, but worth it). Your body needs time to recover- I've found that it helps me get faster and stronger when I've had that week.

 

[El Floppo]

4m on friday with 2x 1/2m pickups. 34:00

It was another stinkin' hot/humid day in NYC going on bupkis for sleep. Ran at just under 9:00 pace and then 7:15-30 for the pickups, which felt fine... once again, the body remembers that pace, but the lungs don't. Breathing got a little labored, but overall felt ok. Long run tomorrow.

 

[El Floppo]

Do you folks like the Accelerade? When do you take it - before, during, after the run?

I carry it with me to drink during longer runs/bike workouts. I'd also consider it for after a run as a good replacement drink, though I have some Endurox that seems to help with that.

Any experience with Elete or other electrolyte replacement tablets and mixes that don't contain the carbs? I get plenty of carbs from gels/shot bloks but am experiencing tight muscles during medium intensity hot weather workouts.

See my above post, but the muscle tightness... is it cramping or exhaustion type of tightness?

Cramping, but not full-blown and only in my calves. It happens too early in the workouts to be exhaustion, as the only thing that has changed in my last three workouts has been doing them in the afternoon heat instead of the morning cooler temps.

That early in the workout... doesn't seem like salt pills are the answer. You might want to make a point of hydrating more, and adding some salt to your meals the days before bigger workouts. Dunno. Mebbe, you're starting out too hard/fast?

I thought that might be possible, but it happened on a recovery ride yesterday. Also, I make sure to get a good 15 minute warmup before any hard riding. I'll focus on the salt intake more throughout the day, but fluid intake isn't a problem as I'm lighter than lemonade most of the time. Maybe I'm drinking too much plain water and need to drink more liquids with stuff in them.

Have you given yourself a recovery week recently? Might it be your position on the bike?

Two weeks ago was essentially a recovery week (in 8 days I took 2 off, 3 painfully slow easy rides and 3 medium intensity rides). My road bike position hasn't changed, but come to think of it my spinning class bike did (on a recommendation from a long time cyclist I moved the seat a notch higher). The next time on the road bike was when I had the first calf problem. That just happened to coincide with the hot weather workouts. Hmm...I'm still going to focus on the salt/fluids intake, but at tonight's spin class I'll talk to the instructor about my position/calves/etc..

I really appreciate all the feed back from you guys. Thanks.

Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.

Toe down? Wouldn't that put more strain on the calf? (doing air bike from my sofa to get the feel of that position) I would think the toe more up would keep the calf more stretched and less crampy... ... am I victim of the "common thinking"?

 

[El Floppo]

this has probably already been addressed but i can't find itif i drink a little water before running.. or if i forget to p*ss.. i get a stitch in my right side, below my ribs. someone suggested a solution for it. something like kicking your achilles or some such.... that wasn't it but it was something wacky.didn't get it last nite but did last friday.

Pinch your earlobe on the opposite side as the cramp. Seriously, it works.

say what?