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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

This morning I successfully ran 13.37 miles for the first time. I did it in three stages just about like I planned. I ran for 50 minutes, walked for two minutes, ran for 50 minutes walked for two minutes, then finished with the last 42 minutes. Totaled 2:22:40 at a pace of 10:40 m/m, which I think is pretty good for the first time at this distance. I was real pleased with the effort as I had been hoping to run the half in December in under 2:30. I guess I need to change my race goal time. I was able to run the final two miles at 10:15 m/m, which was my fastest split time. But I felt like I was barely moving, if I had stopped to walk in the last mile I would never had gotten started running again.I got home, showered, and ate breakfast, then the little problem started. My legs started cramping up and the cramps lasted about half an hour. After that everything felt fine. During the run I used GU twice, during the walks, and before the run I ate a power bar. I am just wondering if the cramps may be a recurring problem, or is it because I have never pushed myself for that long before? And if there is anything I can do differently to avoid them next time?I finished the run 5.5 hours ago, and I really thought I would be more tired right now,. But instead of napping I am feeling more awake and alert than I was yesterday after work.I hope everyone else is doing well,DarrinETA: I also had 15 oz of powerade and 12 ounces of water during the run. I forgot about that.Darrin
I ran the 13.37 miles again this morning and so far no cramps. Of course it has only been 60 minutes since I finished. I finished in 2:21:41, 1:21 faster than last week. I ran with the camelbak backpack filled with 50oz of Gatorade, I drank about half of it at the one hour mark, and the other half 50 minutes later. I also took two walk breaks, the first one for 1 minute, the second 1:30. When I got back I drank about 40 oz of water and about 20 oz of powerade. I am feeling pretty good.
 
Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.
I went home last night and my wife commented that the last couple days I've looked a bit more tired than usual so I took a full rest day. This morning I went out for the Friday coffee ride and what little lingering tightness was there got worked out (the tight, twitchy feeling had been around since Monday). My legs felt fairly fresh and are much better post-ride. No lingering soreness.I'm feeling comfortable enough on the bike that I'll play around with the toe pedaling position tomorrow on my long ride as I'm not concerned about time, just completing 64+ miles alone.
I had calf problems last season. I dropped the seat 1-2mm and it went away.
 
Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.
I went home last night and my wife commented that the last couple days I've looked a bit more tired than usual so I took a full rest day. This morning I went out for the Friday coffee ride and what little lingering tightness was there got worked out (the tight, twitchy feeling had been around since Monday). My legs felt fairly fresh and are much better post-ride. No lingering soreness.I'm feeling comfortable enough on the bike that I'll play around with the toe pedaling position tomorrow on my long ride as I'm not concerned about time, just completing 64+ miles alone.
I had calf problems last season. I dropped the seat 1-2mm and it went away.
1-2mm can actually make a difference???
 
Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.
I went home last night and my wife commented that the last couple days I've looked a bit more tired than usual so I took a full rest day. This morning I went out for the Friday coffee ride and what little lingering tightness was there got worked out (the tight, twitchy feeling had been around since Monday). My legs felt fairly fresh and are much better post-ride. No lingering soreness.I'm feeling comfortable enough on the bike that I'll play around with the toe pedaling position tomorrow on my long ride as I'm not concerned about time, just completing 64+ miles alone.
I had calf problems last season. I dropped the seat 1-2mm and it went away.
1-2mm can actually make a difference???
:football:
 
last nite was a rough one

new shoes to help me stop rolling my feet inward have me using different leg muscles. yeowch. it's almost like i've started running all over again. not THAT bad but my legs were pretty sore from about the 4-5 minute mark til the end.

my wind is great. didn't breathe hard until my "sprint" with 1:30 left. that probably didn't help my legs any but :shrug:

 
Cliff notes on the Steelhead 1/2-Ironman Triathlon (1.2 mile swim; 56 mile bike; half-marathon):

5:58 and change. Last year was 5:55, so I didn't improve, as desired. meh

Great course and conditions; everything went smooth enough ...I was just tired. :lmao:

[PTTS]

Oh, and gruecd - :finger:

:lmao: I kept running, except for water stops, basically, knowing I was accountable to you.

More later today or tomorrow. Gotta go shower and crash for a bit.

Edit to add:

Half-marathon time: 2:01:22 (9:16/mile) ...a little better than I thought (prior to checking my splits and time), knowing I had some tough miles in the middle.

 
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I really appreciate all the input on the calf issue. I did a solo metric century today (actually 68 miles) and had no calf problems. I tried the more toe-down pedaling, but just couldn't maintain it for very long, so I went back to the stroke I was taught by a racer. I'm thinking the issue was not hydration or electrolyte levels, but the spinning class bike: the gym has older bikes which have posted seat-height levels an the seat is either a touch high or a touch low.

 
RE: brake caliper mismatch, I would think that there's not enough play in the position of the pads to get a clean braking surface for the pad on the rim. This might be a bigger problem in the front if you're toeing them in slightly to reduce brake squeal.Maybe try a different pad?It would surprise me that the width of the rim would deviate from norm on the AC wheel enough to not be able to align the pads properly. With road bikes, the tolerances are pretty tight, but everything is sort of standard sized (or so I thought).Is it front or back?
Back and on the right hand side of the bike as you face forward. I can get acceptable surface contact with the pad adjusted all the way down. The caliper arm on the right side just isn't long enough. The other side is fine.
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Despite common thinking the best thing might to get into a more toe down pedaling style but that's just a guess. Really I have no idea as calf soreness is not common and I have to think it's somewhat unrelated to cycling. glllIn reality cycling taxes your calves very little. That's why you get these guys with tree trunks on a toothpick.
I went home last night and my wife commented that the last couple days I've looked a bit more tired than usual so I took a full rest day. This morning I went out for the Friday coffee ride and what little lingering tightness was there got worked out (the tight, twitchy feeling had been around since Monday). My legs felt fairly fresh and are much better post-ride. No lingering soreness.I'm feeling comfortable enough on the bike that I'll play around with the toe pedaling position tomorrow on my long ride as I'm not concerned about time, just completing 64+ miles alone.
I had calf problems last season. I dropped the seat 1-2mm and it went away.
1-2mm can actually make a difference???
Ask your wife/girlfriend.....
 
Update...

It's officially on like Donkey Kong. After a brief respite of drinking and debauchry I'm back into training mode. First of all, thanks to El Floppo for the aero bars. I tried them out today and they are nails. It's not so much the aero position, it's relieving the stress from the abs (which is huge with my build) and being able to pull while countering the press that seems to really generate power. Targetting the end of August to set a PR at the time trial.

Couldn't sleep last night so I pulled my second all nighter of the week. Finally at 6am I decided to get dressed and go for a run. 7 miles in under 1:05 which is great for me on no sleep and a week break from running. I was so pumped after that run that I did a 50 mile bike ride with the "B" group. I pulled a good portion of it and detoured solo to extend the route and get more time on the aeros. Had a bout of calf cramping which is common for me when I don't meet the 1 bottle of water to hour ratio. Any way, here's the part that rocked....hooked up with a remnant of the "A" group and we hit 3 mile slightly rolling flat section where the sprint is on. The pace picked up until we got to a mile to go and it then got jiggy. I've never really experienced this type of speed or acceleration. Really seemed like I was in a mini-tour finish. Everytime I thought I didn't have another crank left in the legs I caught a wheel and momentarily recovered. I was out of the seat absolutely hammering. 12 became 3 with me be the last of the lead three. When the two young guys gapped me with a 200 yards or so left I glance at my speedometer and saw 37 something on the display. I sat up and coasted in the 30's for a while. We were likely on a slight downhill not discernable at the time, but damn what a feeling.

Well my legs feel like horsepoop and I still haven't slept. Regardless, tomorrow is a spped workout day in the evening.

 
Cliff notes on the Steelhead 1/2-Ironman Triathlon (1.2 mile swim; 56 mile bike; half-marathon):

5:58 and change. Last year was 5:55, so I didn't improve, as desired. meh

Great course and conditions; everything went smooth enough ...I was just tired. :popcorn:

[PTTS]

Oh, and gruecd - :finger:

:P I kept running, except for water stops, basically, knowing I was accountable to you.

More later today or tomorrow. Gotta go shower and crash for a bit.

Edit to add:

Half-marathon time: 2:01:22 (9:16/mile) ...a little better than I thought (prior to checking my splits and time), knowing I had some tough miles in the middle.
Tri- Sorry you didn't hit your goal, but please excuse me while I :thumbup: :clap: ... you just knocked out another sub 6:00 1/2 IM!! Congrats, GB!
 
Update...It's officially on like Donkey Kong. After a brief respite of drinking and debauchry I'm back into training mode. First of all, thanks to El Floppo for the aero bars. I tried them out today and they are nails. It's not so much the aero position, it's relieving the stress from the abs (which is huge with my build) and being able to pull while countering the press that seems to really generate power. Targetting the end of August to set a PR at the time trial. Couldn't sleep last night so I pulled my second all nighter of the week. Finally at 6am I decided to get dressed and go for a run. 7 miles in under 1:05 which is great for me on no sleep and a week break from running. I was so pumped after that run that I did a 50 mile bike ride with the "B" group. I pulled a good portion of it and detoured solo to extend the route and get more time on the aeros. Had a bout of calf cramping which is common for me when I don't meet the 1 bottle of water to hour ratio. Any way, here's the part that rocked....hooked up with a remnant of the "A" group and we hit 3 mile slightly rolling flat section where the sprint is on. The pace picked up until we got to a mile to go and it then got jiggy. I've never really experienced this type of speed or acceleration. Really seemed like I was in a mini-tour finish. Everytime I thought I didn't have another crank left in the legs I caught a wheel and momentarily recovered. I was out of the seat absolutely hammering. 12 became 3 with me be the last of the lead three. When the two young guys gapped me with a 200 yards or so left I glance at my speedometer and saw 37 something on the display. I sat up and coasted in the 30's for a while. We were likely on a slight downhill not discernable at the time, but damn what a feeling. Well my legs feel like horsepoop and I still haven't slept. Regardless, tomorrow is a spped workout day in the evening.
whoa.You are a frigging beast, gb. I'm trying to get runs in on little sleep, and I want to cry like my 7 week old son. You go and hammer out a 50m ride afterwards.
 
A few more tri comments:

1) Other than sending off a handful of elite athletes, our old man wave was the first group out at 7:00 a.m. While waiting on the beach for five minutes, they had some Eminem blaring over the speakers. I was really getting into it ..head down, eyes closed, bopping to the beat. Good thing they didn't have the older ladies in our wave, 'cause I'd have done one of 'em right there on the beach. I was totally jacked. Throw in some heartfelt comments from the race director (our freedom to be on the beach to race on a Saturday morning while our troops protect that freedom around the world), a stirring national anthem, and a great morning sunrise and the day started well.

2) The swim was a straight, plow ahead 1.2 miles. I had incredibly little traffic/congestion, so I just worked it the whole way. Yet, as mentioned, I just felt kind of tired. Despite the lack of any issues, my swim time was 1 1/2 minutes slower this year.

3) I gotta get a better bike or find a way to train on some hills or something. I pushed hard the whole 56 miles, but the crowd was just cruising by me. I'm not racing them, really, but I at least need to be in the same league. I'm sure I'm losing a couple miles per hour on the race average, which translates to 15-20 minutes. My time here was a couple minutes slower than last year. Not enough base because of the winter/spring marathon training, maybe.

4) I've been preaching about the exhale while running, so it was interesting to note during the run that during the second mile, I distinctly remember passing some guys and thinking 'they must think I'm a noisy runner 'cause of this strong exhale.' But I also distinctly remember that in the latter miles, my exhale was not noisy because it wasn't strong - and that's when I wasn't running well, either.

5) The run started well - mile two was about at about 8:15 - but then bogged down, physically and mentally. After the last fluid station at mile 11 1/2, I knew I needed to push it to beat six hours. So the last stretch, with no stops, was again good ...the final mile was probably around 8:15/30 with a push to the finish line. I'm just disappointed for letting myself down through the middle of the run.

6) I will forever worship the sponge gods. Food and fluids were appreciated, but nothing compared to cold, wet sponges during the run. Water over the head or down the back, wiping off the face ...it was all good.

 
A few more tri comments:1) Other than sending off a handful of elite athletes, our old man wave was the first group out at 7:00 a.m. While waiting on the beach for five minutes, they had some Eminem blaring over the speakers. I was really getting into it ..head down, eyes closed, bopping to the beat. Good thing they didn't have the older ladies in our wave, 'cause I'd have done one of 'em right there on the beach. I was totally jacked. Throw in some heartfelt comments from the race director (our freedom to be on the beach to race on a Saturday morning while our troops protect that freedom around the world), a stirring national anthem, and a great morning sunrise and the day started well.2) The swim was a straight, plow ahead 1.2 miles. I had incredibly little traffic/congestion, so I just worked it the whole way. Yet, as mentioned, I just felt kind of tired. Despite the lack of any issues, my swim time was 1 1/2 minutes slower this year.3) I gotta get a better bike or find a way to train on some hills or something. I pushed hard the whole 56 miles, but the crowd was just cruising by me. I'm not racing them, really, but I at least need to be in the same league. I'm sure I'm losing a couple miles per hour on the race average, which translates to 15-20 minutes. My time here was a couple minutes slower than last year. Not enough base because of the winter/spring marathon training, maybe.4) I've been preaching about the exhale while running, so it was interesting to note during the run that during the second mile, I distinctly remember passing some guys and thinking 'they must think I'm a noisy runner 'cause of this strong exhale.' But I also distinctly remember that in the latter miles, my exhale was not noisy because it wasn't strong - and that's when I wasn't running well, either.5) The run started well - mile two was about at about 8:15 - but then bogged down, physically and mentally. After the last fluid station at mile 11 1/2, I knew I needed to push it to beat six hours. So the last stretch, with no stops, was again good ...the final mile was probably around 8:15/30 with a push to the finish line. I'm just disappointed for letting myself down through the middle of the run.6) I will forever worship the sponge gods. Food and fluids were appreciated, but nothing compared to cold, wet sponges during the run. Water over the head or down the back, wiping off the face ...it was all good.
Good stuff, tm! :excited:I forget what kind of bike you're on... it has aero-bars at least, right? I'm guessing it's probably about some fatigue on your part, and maybe needing to hit the hills, and/or push the big gears harder, as you're saying. Either that, or do like me and swim like crap, so you spend the rest of the race passing people on the bike and run- it's a nice pyschological boost.I feel like every 1/2 I've ever done, I've hit some kind of problem during the run- usually at around mile 8 or so- so I can kind of empathize. You were definitely in great shape going in... maybe you were just worn down? Too amped up? Not enough of a taper? What do you think wore you out?And #6... preach, brother... PREACH! I got into wearing full caps (not visors) almost entirely so I could slam one of dem icy-fresh sponges under it (plus one on the back of the neck and one to wipe the pits with).I'm still envious as hell, and a mite proud of your efforts this weekend. Another 1/2 IM in the books!
 
13m today- time unknown... probably a little over 2:00. Definitely slower than 9min miles. Legs felt heavy this time out, although the lungs felt fine.

Since I'm no BassnBrew, I got minimal sleep and suffered through this one start to finish.

My usual route took me into the finish area for the NYC 1/2 Marathon which was just about to finish (the leaders) when I got there. Because of the crowds, and because the top Marathon runners (Kenyans etc) were racing, I decided to stop for a minute and watch the leaders finish... which lead to running into a couple of tri friends who were marshalling the course. I spent 15 or so minutes there, watching the top finishers (I think the winner came in somewhere over 1:05?) before heading back out.

The stop was bad (although it was cool to see guys like Cheriot race). The legs cooled off and running 8.5 more miles was bad. Legs bad. Drink bad. Bad, bad, bad. At least it wasn't a horrible hot and humid day. :lmao: ..,. but it still felt el stinko for me out there.

 
I forget what kind of bike you're on... it has aero-bars at least, right? I'm guessing it's probably about some fatigue on your part, and maybe needing to hit the hills, and/or push the big gears harder, as you're saying.
It's a Fuji League - an entry level road bike, basically. It has thin tires, but not those real skinny little jobbers. No aerobars. :bag: But I can tuck down on the handles and ride it well, so that's not a big problem. (Besides, my tummy still felt kind of 'full' for the first 20 miles and I doubt I'd have wanted to go to a full tuck.) And probably half the riding was in the big ring. I'll probably stick with this for now ...I need a new indoor trainer, which will allow me to rack up a lot of winter miles that I didn't last year. I'll think about this more later in the winter or early spring.
... maybe you were just worn down? Too amped up? Not enough of a taper? What do you think wore you out?
All of the above? :multiplePTTSs: Never really fresh since the marathon ...not enough true rest weeks ...not enough taper given these two ...not enough swim/bike base ...didn't sleep well ...new run course with a loop ...who knows? It's just a tremendously long event and hard to conquer. But despite all that, the race got the best of me through the middle, and that bugs me. ANYway ...hopefully my Achilles can heal up/survive and it's back to focused run training for a couple months.
 
tri-man 47 said:
It's a Fuji League - an entry level road bike, basically. It has thin tires, but not those real skinny little jobbers. No aerobars. :shrug: But I can tuck down on the handles and ride it well, so that's not a big problem. (Besides, my tummy still felt kind of 'full' for the first 20 miles and I doubt I'd have wanted to go to a full tuck.)
First of all, thanks to El Floppo for the aero bars. I tried them out today and they are nails. It's not so much the aero position, it's relieving the stress from the abs (which is huge with my build) and being able to pull while countering the press that seems to really generate power.
I was noting that I actually can tuck tighter in the drops. The biggest thing I noticed was the abs no longer were involved in supporting my upper body in the tuck. Add in anchoring you body a little better, I think the power generated can better be directed to driving the pedals.I rode tonite and I was substaining 25+ mph on a flat in both directions during my 4 min intervals even though my legs are wrecked with soreness. My last thirty min hilly tempo ride was 21.9 mph. I'll do my first this week with the aero bars and will let you know if I saw an improvement.
 
tri-man 47 said:
A few more tri comments:1) Other than sending off a handful of elite athletes, our old man wave was the first group out at 7:00 a.m. While waiting on the beach for five minutes, they had some Eminem blaring over the speakers. I was really getting into it ..head down, eyes closed, bopping to the beat. Good thing they didn't have the older ladies in our wave, 'cause I'd have done one of 'em right there on the beach. I was totally jacked. Throw in some heartfelt comments from the race director (our freedom to be on the beach to race on a Saturday morning while our troops protect that freedom around the world), a stirring national anthem, and a great morning sunrise and the day started well.2) The swim was a straight, plow ahead 1.2 miles. I had incredibly little traffic/congestion, so I just worked it the whole way. Yet, as mentioned, I just felt kind of tired. Despite the lack of any issues, my swim time was 1 1/2 minutes slower this year.3) I gotta get a better bike or find a way to train on some hills or something. I pushed hard the whole 56 miles, but the crowd was just cruising by me. I'm not racing them, really, but I at least need to be in the same league. I'm sure I'm losing a couple miles per hour on the race average, which translates to 15-20 minutes. My time here was a couple minutes slower than last year. Not enough base because of the winter/spring marathon training, maybe.4) I've been preaching about the exhale while running, so it was interesting to note during the run that during the second mile, I distinctly remember passing some guys and thinking 'they must think I'm a noisy runner 'cause of this strong exhale.' But I also distinctly remember that in the latter miles, my exhale was not noisy because it wasn't strong - and that's when I wasn't running well, either.5) The run started well - mile two was about at about 8:15 - but then bogged down, physically and mentally. After the last fluid station at mile 11 1/2, I knew I needed to push it to beat six hours. So the last stretch, with no stops, was again good ...the final mile was probably around 8:15/30 with a push to the finish line. I'm just disappointed for letting myself down through the middle of the run.6) I will forever worship the sponge gods. Food and fluids were appreciated, but nothing compared to cold, wet sponges during the run. Water over the head or down the back, wiping off the face ...it was all good.
Hell of an accomplishment cranking out these halfs like they're old hat. Sponge worthy :unsure:
 
I really appreciate all the input on the calf issue. I did a solo metric century today (actually 68 miles) and had no calf problems. I tried the more toe-down pedaling, but just couldn't maintain it for very long, so I went back to the stroke I was taught by a racer. I'm thinking the issue was not hydration or electrolyte levels, but the spinning class bike: the gym has older bikes which have posted seat-height levels an the seat is either a touch high or a touch low.
Talked with someone about this. It's possibly a cleat location problem. You might try sliding the cleat back a #### hair. Also could be just a temporary thing that goes away in time.
 
tri-man 47 said:
It's a Fuji League - an entry level road bike, basically. It has thin tires, but not those real skinny little jobbers. No aerobars. :popcorn: But I can tuck down on the handles and ride it well, so that's not a big problem. (Besides, my tummy still felt kind of 'full' for the first 20 miles and I doubt I'd have wanted to go to a full tuck.)
First of all, thanks to El Floppo for the aero bars. I tried them out today and they are nails. It's not so much the aero position, it's relieving the stress from the abs (which is huge with my build) and being able to pull while countering the press that seems to really generate power.
I was noting that I actually can tuck tighter in the drops. The biggest thing I noticed was the abs no longer were involved in supporting my upper body in the tuck. Add in anchoring you body a little better, I think the power generated can better be directed to driving the pedals.I rode tonite and I was substaining 25+ mph on a flat in both directions during my 4 min intervals even though my legs are wrecked with soreness. My last thirty min hilly tempo ride was 21.9 mph. I'll do my first this week with the aero bars and will let you know if I saw an improvement.
Seriously, Tri-man- don't underestimate what bars can do for you; further forward over the pedals (generating more power, IIRC) and obviously more aero. I know I mentioned pages ago that I did a super (non) scientific test while riding on a flat straightaway- minute on the bars, minute off the bars, while maintaining the same cadence (don't know my wattage output). My speed on the bars went up about 1mph. IIRC, the bars don't work as well when riding under 20mph (air resistance? metric system? dunno)- whether for that reason or comfort/power generation, they don't work so well (at least for me) when riding hills, so I usually get off them there. As a tight-backed chump, my favorite move is to ride with my hands on the forearm pads. :bag: ... I try and wear my helmet with the propeller on top when I do this.
 
tri-man 47 said:
A few more tri comments...
Somehow I missed the initial race report when I posted last. Good job! :goodposting: I couldn't imagine trying a half Ironman, let alone a brick. What you guys accomplish continually impresses and inspires me.
 
last nite was a rough one

new shoes to help me stop rolling my feet inward have me using different leg muscles. yeowch. it's almost like i've started running all over again. not THAT bad but my legs were pretty sore from about the 4-5 minute mark til the end.

my wind is great. didn't breathe hard until my "sprint" with 1:30 left. that probably didn't help my legs any but :thumbup:
Sounds like progress! :thumbdown: Since no one said it...that new soreness will work out pretty quick. You're body is going to adjust to the better foot position. Then the stride will feel much better and more natural.

 
Ran my 5k route this morning because I didn't have a lot of time and I am glad I did. The humidity was bad and it was already in the mid 70s at 5:30 in the morning. Ugh. My heart rate did not get that high but my pace was all over the place and there were a couple of times I was hurting. I thought my heart rate would have been higher but I think it was just the humidity wearing me out. It is an urban route so there were no parks or, more importantly, water fountains. Clocked it in 28 minutes which is around 9:00/mile but I was between 8:30 and 10:30 the whole time. Surprised I made it in that time.

 
Oh, and gruecd - :finger:

:thumbup: I kept running, except for water stops, basically, knowing I was accountable to you.
Well done. :rolleyes: Way to tough it out!
Dude- thought of you today as I watched the NYC 1/2 Marathon. Stayed and watched the winners (1:05ish) through about 1:25 finishers- hard-core mofos throughout... that'll be you next race if everything lines up for you. :thumbup:
Thanks for the kind words. I might have a hard time running 1:25, but sub-1:30 is definitely something that I'm aiming to do. So far, the training has been going well. Managed to get out of bed early Sunday (after a hard day of landscaping on Saturday) to run 12 miles in 90% humidity, finishing around 1:36. I always struggle to keep my pace slower on these longer runs, so I was happy with the 8:00 pace. That being said, I had a lot left in the tank after 11 miles, so I decided to kick it up and notch and crank out a 7:30 on the last mile.Forecast for today was for hot, humid weather, so I hit the pavement at 5 AM for an easy 6 miler in 47:21. I still think I'm crazy sometimes for getting out of my nice, comfortable bed while it's still dark outside to torture my body for the better part of an hour. I guess that's what separates the men from the boys.

I've got my next 5K coming up in about 5 weeks, and then my half marathon 2 weeks after that. So far, all of my speed work has been geared towards the half (mostly mile repeats), but I think I'm going to switch over to some shorter stuff for the next month or so to gear up for the 5K. I'm thinking about trying some ladders, maybe 400-800-1000-1600-1000-800-400 or something like that. Anybody have any experience doing these? Anyway, the 5K is just a smaller event, but it's in my hometown, and last year I finished in third place at 19:34. It would be cool to win the race this year, but last year's champ ran 18:40 (6:01 pace), which is still quite a bit faster than my 19:23 PR from a few months ago. We'll see what happens.

 
I think I'm going to switch over to some shorter stuff for the next month or so to gear up for the 5K. I'm thinking about trying some ladders, maybe 400-800-1000-1600-1000-800-400 or something like that. Anybody have any experience doing these?
I've done workouts like that. They're a good challenge ...a productive workout. I had seen a book at the library some months ago that listed favorite workouts of different top runners. What surprised me was the variety. Some like ladders, as you have listed. Some like repeat 400's, or 800's, or miles. So it really seems like it's a matter of finding the type of track/speed work that works for you and keeping it in the training cycle.
 
7mi in 69mins ( :giggle: ) on Saturday. I should have checked my training calendar closer, as I was supposed to have run 9mi this time, and 7mi next Saturday. :mellow: Oh well, I ended up helping my mom move some of her stuff to her new place, so I think the combination of a couple dozen back and forth trips carrying boxes, half of 'em up a flight of stairs, that might have equated another 2mi. ;)

Four weeks til Virginia Beach. :confused:

 
omfg do my legs hurt :Xin 30 minutes of running last nite i ran as far as i did in 28 last Monday. :goodposting:
Yes, but look at the progress you've made! When was the last time that you could say "in 30 minutes of running ...?"If you're legs hurt, give 'em a bit of rest.
 
omfg do my legs hurt :X

in 30 minutes of running last nite i ran as far as i did in 28 last Monday. :hot:
Yes, but look at the progress you've made! When was the last time that you could say "in 30 minutes of running ...?"If you're legs hurt, give 'em a bit of rest.
this is what i kept telling myself last nite :thumbup:
Nice work. Interesting to hear how the legs do as you get used to the new shoes. I've been going on the same pair of cheap Nikes all year, haven't really had any problems so I haven't bucked up for some real shoes yet, but I know I'll need to soon.As for me, still just getting in 2 runs per week, along with my hoop league Thursday night and an open gym Sunday mornings. Did my normal 3+ mile route on Wednesday, and did get 5 miles done on Saturday. That felt pretty good but I was beat afterwards. Need to keep pushing that longer run up a bit if I'm going to do that 10k in a couple months.

 
omfg do my legs hurt :X

in 30 minutes of running last nite i ran as far as i did in 28 last Monday. :lmao:
Yes, but look at the progress you've made! When was the last time that you could say "in 30 minutes of running ...?"If you're legs hurt, give 'em a bit of rest.
this is what i kept telling myself last nite :lmao:
Nice work. Interesting to hear how the legs do as you get used to the new shoes. I've been going on the same pair of cheap Nikes all year, haven't really had any problems so I haven't bucked up for some real shoes yet, but I know I'll need to soon.
i don't think it's the "newness" of them as much as it is the design of them that's preventing my feet from rolling inward. it's taking the muscles a while to catch up.
Need to keep pushing that longer run up a bit if I'm going to do that 10k in a couple months.
good luck :lmao:
 
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Need to keep pushing that longer run up a bit if I'm going to do that 10k in a couple months.
Well, then do so! But do so at an easy pace ...don't feel like you've got to push the distance and the pace. Just get some confidence at the distance first.
Speaking of pushing distance and pace. While I am not as new as Furley to running, I have only been doing it for about 8 months. I decided fairly early to build my mileage bas before even thinking about fartleks, intervals, or anything else like that. The last two weeks I pushed to about 32 miles with a long run of just over 13, but starting this week I am going to back off a bit. The 13 mile run really takes a lot out of me. This Saturday I am going to run 9 miles, next week I am taking a light easy week, from then on I am going to alternate 11 and 9 milers on Saturday with an occasional 13 thrown in, until I get to the taper weeks before the December half marathon. Now that I have set all that up, here are my questions for you more experienced guys.1. Should I be working some faster intervals into my long run training?2. Would working in the intervals really help me run the Dec half faster?3. Would it increase my chance of injury? (which I have pretty much avoided in the last 8 months)I don't have access to a track at the times I run, so I can't do 400, 800, or 1000 meter intervals, everything would have to be timed.
 
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I don't have access to a track at the times I run, so I can't do 400, 800, or 1000 meter intervals, everything would have to be timed.
Hi Darrin,I'll try to respond to the rest of your questions later, but in the meantime, get yourself a Garmin or other GPS unit. This is last year's model, but it's the one I have, and I love it. Totally programmable for interval workouts. Very user friendly.

 
Pretty quiet around here since yesterday afternoon. How's everybody doing?

It's 85 here in NE Wisconsin, but with the 70% humidity, it feels like the low to mid 90s. Planning on doing some mile repeats after dinner, specifically 4 x 1600m at 6:14 with 800m (jog) rest intervals plus warm-up and cool-down for 8 miles total. Not really looking forward to it, but I always feel like I've accomplished something after I'm done with these.

 
Darrinll40 said:
Now that I have set all that up, here are my questions for you more experienced guys.1. Should I be working some faster intervals into my long run training?2. Would working in the intervals really help me run the Dec half faster?3. Would it increase my chance of injury? (which I have pretty much avoided in the last 8 months)I don't have access to a track at the times I run, so I can't do 400, 800, or 1000 meter intervals, everything would have to be timed.
Given your half-marathon goal, I would say some faster pacing would be helpful, but I wouldn't force the issue of timing it. On your runs (especially your moderate length runs), try throwing in some pick-ups for 30 seconds to a minute or two - not at all a sprint, just drive the legs a bit harder. For example, accelerate the length of a short block, or a long block, or from light pole to light pole. One thing that can help, especially, then, during the race as well, is to pick it up while going around corners - instead of short-stepping and slowing up, consciously pick it up and use the corner to gain back a bit of speed. It wouldn't hurt, either, to start some runs at a stronger pace to simulate the 'push' that typically occurs at the start of a race. It should help, and it shouldn't create risk of injury.
 
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Now that I have set all that up, here are my questions for you more experienced guys.

1. Should I be working some faster intervals into my long run training?

2. Would working in the intervals really help me run the Dec half faster?

3. Would it increase my chance of injury? (which I have pretty much avoided in the last 8 months)

I don't have access to a track at the times I run, so I can't do 400, 800, or 1000 meter intervals, everything would have to be timed.
Given your half-marathon goal, I would say some faster pacing would be helpful, but I wouldn't force the issue of timing it. On your runs (especially your moderate length runs), try throwing in some pick-ups for 30 seconds to a minute or two - not at all a sprint, just drive the legs a bit harder. For example, accelerate the length of a short block, or a long block, or from light pole to light pole. One thing that can help, especially, then, during the race as well, is to pick it up while going around corners - instead of short-stepping and slowing up, consciously pick it up and use the corner to gain back a bit of speed. It wouldn't hurt, either, to start some runs at a stronger pace to simulate the 'push' that typically occurs at the start of a race. It should help, and it shouldn't create risk of injury.
Very :goodposting: Don't do intervals in your long run.

Intervals will most definitely make you run faster (conditioning your muscles to run at a certain pace).

Keep a close eye on just how fast you do your intervals- don't go too fast. The idea is just to up the pace some.

Use anything at your disposal to measure the distances, ideally at regualr distances, like light poles, blocks etc.

 
Pretty quiet around here since yesterday afternoon. How's everybody doing?It's 85 here in NE Wisconsin, but with the 70% humidity, it feels like the low to mid 90s. Planning on doing some mile repeats after dinner, specifically 4 x 1600m at 6:14 with 800m (jog) rest intervals plus warm-up and cool-down for 8 miles total. Not really looking forward to it, but I always feel like I've accomplished something after I'm done with these.
94 and 124% humidity here in NYC. I ptts-ed out of my tempo run today.
 
Thanks for all the good advice. I will definitely take advantage of it.

I did three short intervals in tonights 7 miler. They ended up being .28 mile @ 7:55 m/m, .23 m @ 7.15 m/m, and ,.5 mile @ 8:16 m/m. The last one was about 4.5 miles into the run. I ran them hard, but not so hard that I could not finish the run comfortably.

 
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Pretty quiet around here since yesterday afternoon. How's everybody doing?It's 85 here in NE Wisconsin, but with the 70% humidity, it feels like the low to mid 90s. Planning on doing some mile repeats after dinner, specifically 4 x 1600m at 6:14 with 800m (jog) rest intervals plus warm-up and cool-down for 8 miles total. Not really looking forward to it, but I always feel like I've accomplished something after I'm done with these.
94 and 124% humidity here in NYC. I ptts-ed out of my tempo run today.
You're not alone. I ran out of hours in the day and went out for a quick 5K at 9:30. Tomorrow night my running club is doing a prediction run, where you run either 5K or 10K but predict your finishing time beforehand (no watches, etc. are allowed). Those who are closest to their predicted times win prizes. Hopefully I can rearrange my schedule to fit in my intervals later this week sometime. I already know that I won't be doing a long run this weekend, since I've got a 3-on-3 basketball tournament, and I've got a family reunion to attend between games.
 
5k in 26:59 last night. Actually felt good for a change, I think mainly due to the humidity taking a respite around here for the next few days. :no:

 
Thanks for all the good advice. I will definitely take advantage of it.I did three short intervals in tonights 7 miler. They ended up being .28 mile @ 7:55 m/m, .23 m @ 7.15 m/m, and ,.5 mile @ 8:16 m/m. The last one was about 4.5 miles into the run. I ran them hard, but not so hard that I could not finish the run comfortably.
Awesome work!.... if you can throw one of these a week into your workouts, you'll really see the difference when you race.
 
interval work is something I have to start workign into the runs.. but this humidity is brutal right now.. hard to do much more since my heart rate is between 152 and 160 through a lot of these runs anyway.

 
Just did my normal 5k lunch run in 27:35, beating my previous best by almost 2 minutes! I'm convinced for me it's having a really good long run on the weekend, as the other time (5-6 weeks ago) I felt good after my long (for me 5+ miles) run was the last time I ran a much faster pace than usual on the next run, although that time I ran out of gas and slowed back down at about 2 miles. This time I started to get winded a bit around 2.5-2.75 miles, which was close enough to the end to push through it, keep my pace, and even pick it up a bit for the last couple hundred yards.

Basketball league tomorrow night, and then heading up to Lake Tahoe for the weekend. I'd love to get in two runs, a 3 miler on Saturday and an attempt at a 5 miler on Sunday, but I'm not sure I can carve that much time out of this "family vacation". I'll be sure to get at least a 3 miler in, and at 6300 ft in elevation it should be a interesting one.

 
Me + temps in the 80s = no speed work. Lesson learned.

Snuck out of work a little early today to do the mile repeats that I missed yesterday. My goal was to do 8 miles total including 4x1600 at 6:14 w/800 jogs. Jogged a mile warm-up, then busted out my first fast mile in 6:12. So far, so good. Sipped some Gatorade while jogging a slow 800, then took off for my next mile. Right from the start, my legs felt like concrete. After gutting it out to finish in 6:22, I decided I would walk the next quarter mile, then jog a quarter mile before starting the next repeat. After the half-mile rest, I hit my lap button to start another mile, and my legs just weren't having it. My right knee hurt, and I was starting to feel nauseated, so I wussed out and backed off my pace to my normal LSD (Long Slow Distance) speed to finish the balance of the 8 miles. I ended up averaging 7:45 pace for the 8 miles, but I'm still kinda pissed at myself for bailing on the last couple of repeats. Stupid heat! :shrug:

The good news is that my b-ball tournament this weekend has been condensed to one day (Saturday), so now I can do my long run on Sunday instead of skipping it completely.

 

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