Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

[SFBayDuck]

Duck - you mentioned the PE issue, and I have noticed that myself. For example, it felt awkward this spring when I first started pushing my pace again after a few months of not doing so. It took me a while to mentally adjust to a high PE ...to get used to the pain again.

Also, I'd be interested in learning who does that testing in the Chicagoland area.

PM sent

 

[Sand]

Sounds awesome. I hate my chest strap, but live with it.

I know you just got it but any idea on battery life? That's always the gotcha for me.

And I suspect will be for a while. Your battery needs are well beyond most. My wrist strap is good for 8 hours. More than enough for me, but likely not for you. Not sure on the watch, but certainly wouldn't expect Garmin Fenix type battery on those.

SERIOUSLY


I try to remind myself of the 2010 version of myself when I get frustrated for being 'out of shape'. I'll bet just about every single guy in here has surprised themselves throughout the years. We tend to put low ceilings on ourselves without even realizing it.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that participating in this thread will help you more than you know.

No doubt. I have had 2 real cases where I look back now and am blown away by what I managed to achieve. It's ####### addicting.

One of the most addicting aspects of running in my opinion.

Absolutely, though only one was a run. The other was my first 5k swim. I'll freely admit that puts me in the weird category, but at least I dragged 2Y into the madness, as well!

 

[beer 302]

Sounds awesome. I hate my chest strap, but live with it.

I know you just got it but any idea on battery life? That's always the gotcha for me.

I have the generic TomTom and I'm sure it differs from this new version but the one knock I have is I've recently noticed battery degradation and I've had it since December. By that i mean, full charge, let it sit overnight, check it in the morning and it's down a bar. Doesn't happen all the time but maybe ever 3rd day or so. The battery life on this unit with HR strap is just around 6-7 hrs. Anything much more than a 50k and it's going to be worthless for you. The Garmin 20 hour monster is still the best bet for ultra's IMO.

Speaking of shoes, last year I was fitted for shoes and settled on the Mizuno Wave Precision 13. I think I'm about ready for a new pair as these seem to have lost some of their "cushion".

Anyone else wear these and have any recommendations on something else?

Why switch? If they fit right and haven't given you an problems stick with them. You can #### with a lot of things with this hobby, shoes are not one of them. You find a pair that works, buy a store out of inventory because I can almost guarantee the version you buy today will not be available 8 months from now or will be in the process of being sunset.

 

[BassNBrew]

Sounds awesome. I hate my chest strap, but live with it.

I know you just got it but any idea on battery life? That's always the gotcha for me.

I have the generic TomTom and I'm sure it differs from this new version but the one knock I have is I've recently noticed battery degradation and I've had it since December. By that i mean, full charge, let it sit overnight, check it in the morning and it's down a bar. Doesn't happen all the time but maybe ever 3rd day or so. The battery life on this unit with HR strap is just around 6-7 hrs. Anything much more than a 50k and it's going to be worthless for you. The Garmin 20 hour monster Suunto Ambit2 is still the best bet for ultra's IMO.

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[Sand]

Sounds awesome. I hate my chest strap, but live with it.

I know you just got it but any idea on battery life? That's always the gotcha for me.

I have the generic TomTom and I'm sure it differs from this new version but the one knock I have is I've recently noticed battery degradation and I've had it since December. By that i mean, full charge, let it sit overnight, check it in the morning and it's down a bar. Doesn't happen all the time but maybe ever 3rd day or so. The battery life on this unit with HR strap is just around 6-7 hrs. Anything much more than a 50k and it's going to be worthless for you. The Garmin 20 hour monster Suunto Ambit2 is still the best bet for ultra's IMO.

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What in the Ambit2 is worth the $100-200 over the Fenix2? Just curious.

 

[Annyong]

Speaking of shoes, last year I was fitted for shoes and settled on the Mizuno Wave Precision 13. I think I'm about ready for a new pair as these seem to have lost some of their "cushion".

Anyone else wear these and have any recommendations on something else?

Why switch? If they fit right and haven't given you an problems stick with them. You can #### with a lot of things with this hobby, shoes are not one of them. You find a pair that works, buy a store out of inventory because I can almost guarantee the version you buy today will not be available 8 months from now or will be in the process of being sunset.

Good point, but I'm kind of a shoe whore.

 

[Ned]

Ned, will the mile splits show later if you do a normal run?

I don't think so, but I'll test that out on today's recovery run.

Duck - I'll jot down battery life useage this week and let ya know. I didn't notice where it was at after the 6 miler yesterday.

Ugh, this is a major buzz kill. Hoping I'm an idiot and just haven't found it yet, but even yesterday's run I can't see the lap splits on the website.

The regular run on the watch does not count/alert laps.

 

[BassNBrew]

Sounds awesome. I hate my chest strap, but live with it.

I know you just got it but any idea on battery life? That's always the gotcha for me.

I have the generic TomTom and I'm sure it differs from this new version but the one knock I have is I've recently noticed battery degradation and I've had it since December. By that i mean, full charge, let it sit overnight, check it in the morning and it's down a bar. Doesn't happen all the time but maybe ever 3rd day or so. The battery life on this unit with HR strap is just around 6-7 hrs. Anything much more than a 50k and it's going to be worthless for you. The Garmin 20 hour monster Suunto Ambit2 is still the best bet for ultra's IMO.

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What in the Ambit2 is worth the $100-200 over the Fenix2? Just curious.

Not sure what the Fenix2 is. Suunto just released a run version only of their Ambit…Ambit R which is $150-$200 cheaper than the 2.

Just found an ap for the Ambit that measures run cadence.

The Ambit 2 maps, has a compass, will direct you home if lost. It will do indoor swimming and count strokes.

 

[Ned]

Ned, will the mile splits show later if you do a normal run?

I don't think so, but I'll test that out on today's recovery run.

Duck - I'll jot down battery life useage this week and let ya know. I didn't notice where it was at after the 6 miler yesterday.

Ugh, this is a major buzz kill. Hoping I'm an idiot and just haven't found it yet, but even yesterday's run I can't see the lap splits on the website.

The regular run on the watch does not count/alert laps.

This is total crap. TomTom's site doesn't give you the splits that I can find, but they also upload your data to mapmyfitness. You can see your splits there, but only the times. If you want your HR splits, you have to pay them to get an MVP access.

 

[beer 302]

Ned, will the mile splits show later if you do a normal run?

I don't think so, but I'll test that out on today's recovery run.Duck - I'll jot down battery life useage this week and let ya know. I didn't notice where it was at after the 6 miler yesterday.

Ugh, this is a major buzz kill. Hoping I'm an idiot and just haven't found it yet, but even yesterday's run I can't see the lap splits on the website. The regular run on the watch does not count/alert laps.

This is total crap. TomTom's site doesn't give you the splits that I can find, but they also upload your data to mapmyfitness. You can see your splits there, but only the times. If you want your HR splits, you have to pay them to get an MVP access.

TrueI thought I mentioned that last week but I may not have. I have it linked to Strava, Map My Run & Runkeeper (which I do pay extra for) and none give you splits if you are running less than a mile interval. Sucks majorly & I ain't paying $30/year for the info. It ain't that important to me but i know there a re a lot of folks who depend on it.

 

[Sand]

Sounds awesome. I hate my chest strap, but live with it.

I know you just got it but any idea on battery life? That's always the gotcha for me.

I have the generic TomTom and I'm sure it differs from this new version but the one knock I have is I've recently noticed battery degradation and I've had it since December. By that i mean, full charge, let it sit overnight, check it in the morning and it's down a bar. Doesn't happen all the time but maybe ever 3rd day or so. The battery life on this unit with HR strap is just around 6-7 hrs. Anything much more than a 50k and it's going to be worthless for you. The Garmin 20 hour monster Suunto Ambit2 is still the best bet for ultra's IMO.

Fixed

What in the Ambit2 is worth the $100-200 over the Fenix2? Just curious.

Not sure what the Fenix2 is. Suunto just released a run version only of their Ambit…Ambit R which is $150-$200 cheaper than the 2.

Just found an ap for the Ambit that measures run cadence.

The Ambit 2 maps, has a compass, will direct you home if lost. It will do indoor swimming and count strokes.

Fenix2 is the Garmin ultrarunner watch, though it does all kinds of bike and swim stuff, as well. I think that and the Ambit are pretty close. The reviews on the Fenix2 are excellent (though I'm waiting on the 920xt when it finally shows).

 

[General Malaise]

Morning boys. Been a few years. Lotta good work up in here.

Signed up for the Cinco De Mayo half marathon in downtown Portland. I've got 2 months to get ready. Been running on the treadmill for a week to shake off the rust. Need to step my game up, but I'm pleased to have something on the calendar, paid for and staring me right in the eyes. Looking forward to participating in your thread here a bit over the next few weeks and hopefully beyond.

Any particular time goals? Am I remembering correctly that you did one of these last year? Maybe that was bently.

June of 2011

I'd like to break 2 hours. Seems like an attainable goal. Not too hard but its going to take some work. 2:07 was my 2011 time but I had no goals other tHan to run it without walking. This one won't be nearly as hilly.

Ooooooooooooof. Wasn't anywhere close to 2 hours. I wasn't well trained for this at all. The course was much steeper at the start than I thought it would be and I was hurting pretty bad at the end. By mile 10, my music player on my phone thought I had a vulva and began playing the suicidal sounds of Neko Case. I pulled my phone out of my pocket to fast forward, dropped my light-rail ticket to home, stopped to retrieve the ticket, bent down and my left leg cramped up horribly. So I had to spend some time stretching out and had to walk it out for about 5 minutes.

But, I recovered, fought through the rain and the wind and crossed the finish line in 2 hours and 20 minutes. Disgusting time, but the first half marathon since June 2011 is in the books and now I look forward to another one. Hopefully better weather, more preparation, less elevation and a phone that won't play music for menstruation deep into the run.

 

[beer 302]

Morning boys. Been a few years. Lotta good work up in here.

Signed up for the Cinco De Mayo half marathon in downtown Portland. I've got 2 months to get ready. Been running on the treadmill for a week to shake off the rust. Need to step my game up, but I'm pleased to have something on the calendar, paid for and staring me right in the eyes. Looking forward to participating in your thread here a bit over the next few weeks and hopefully beyond.

Any particular time goals? Am I remembering correctly that you did one of these last year? Maybe that was bently.

June of 2011

I'd like to break 2 hours. Seems like an attainable goal. Not too hard but its going to take some work. 2:07 was my 2011 time but I had no goals other tHan to run it without walking. This one won't be nearly as hilly.

Ooooooooooooof. Wasn't anywhere close to 2 hours. I wasn't well trained for this at all. The course was much steeper at the start than I thought it would be and I was hurting pretty bad at the end. By mile 10, my music player on my phone thought I had a vulva and began playing the suicidal sounds of Neko Case. I pulled my phone out of my pocket to fast forward, dropped my light-rail ticket to home, stopped to retrieve the ticket, bent down and my left leg cramped up horribly. So I had to spend some time stretching out and had to walk it out for about 5 minutes.

But, I recovered, fought through the rain and the wind and crossed the finish line in 2 hours and 20 minutes. Disgusting time, but the first half marathon since June 2011 is in the books and now I look forward to another one. Hopefully better weather, more preparation, less elevation and a phone that won't play music for menstruation deep into the run.

Yea so like I said, a pretty solid race

You left off the part about someone asking you for a cigarette at the end

 

[SFBayDuck]

Absolutely.

Just to take two prime examples for me, you all introduced me to endurance planet and MAF.

Love that podcast now and I have no doubt that training for MAF both enhanced endurance and prevented injury.

You're welcome. Ben Greenfield is a bit out there sometimes with his ketosis and constant biohacking, but most of the stuff from Tawnee and Lucho is gold.

And right on cue, in the podcast I listened to today Greenfield talks about his plans to experiment with coffee enemas......

 

[SFBayDuck]

Good stuff. I had the data and still over ate on occasion during races. Your body is only going to process 200-300 calories anyway. Figuring that out will help too. You've done well moving your fat% up at higher hr.

You're probably going to have to either do some work on the road or find some relatively flatfish and non-technical forest service road to work at faster paces.

I see two approaches to that bolded - one is what you describe, and I think that I will have to mix that in. Running at faster paces than I'm used to, even if it means on the road sometimes, is going to help with running economy in particular. Luckily I do have a nice 1+ mile section of relatively flat fire road nearby that I can go out and do some work on, bust out some repeats. Also, one of my normal runs around two nearby lakes is relatively flat (only 360' of gain), so I'll work up to doing tempo work on that as well.

The other is to change my approach a little on hills. Normally I ease into the hill, dropping into a hike and adjusting that pace as my HR starts to move up so that I can keep it near my normal aerobic range. I wanted to get a start in playing around with this stuff today, but as I'm jumping into a trail marathon this weekend didn't want to push it too hard, so I tried this second approach for a bit. I hit a hill that I knew was about 1/2 mile with 225' of gain - so nothing too steep. As I started climbing I kept running until my HR got up to 165, then I dropped into a quicker power hike than usual to keep it above 160. I actually ended up adding on another 1/4 mile when I got to the top of that section, and did return to a run on a couple of occasions when my HR would drop below 160 to get it back up. While I won't see the running economy gains from this second approach, it is a good specific strength workout and should have the same positive metabolic impacts.

Anyway, fun stuff!

 

[tri-man 47]

You're probably going to have to either do some work on the road or find some relatively flatfish and non-technical forest service road to work at faster paces.

The other is to change my approach a little on hills. Normally I ease into the hill, dropping into a hike and adjusting that pace as my HR starts to move up so that I can keep it near my normal aerobic range. I wanted to get a start in playing around with this stuff today, but as I'm jumping into a trail marathon this weekend didn't want to push it too hard, so I tried this second approach for a bit. I hit a hill that I knew was about 1/2 mile with 225' of gain - so nothing too steep. As I started climbing I kept running until my HR got up to 165, then I dropped into a quicker power hike than usual to keep it above 160. I actually ended up adding on another 1/4 mile when I got to the top of that section, and did return to a run on a couple of occasions when my HR would drop below 160 to get it back up. While I won't see the running economy gains from this second approach, it is a good specific strength workout and should have the same positive metabolic impacts.

Anyway, fun stuff!

That's what I was thinking - use the hills for some repeats/hard pacing. Do a slope like that but then walk it back down a repeat a few times. Hills: Interval work in disguise.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Speaking of shoes, last year I was fitted for shoes and settled on the Mizuno Wave Precision 13. I think I'm about ready for a new pair as these seem to have lost some of their "cushion".

Anyone else wear these and have any recommendations on something else?

Why switch? If they fit right and haven't given you an problems stick with them. You can #### with a lot of things with this hobby, shoes are not one of them. You find a pair that works, buy a store out of inventory because I can almost guarantee the version you buy today will not be available 8 months from now or will be in the process of being sunset.

Good point, but I'm kind of a shoe whore.

I have a pair of Altra lone peaks in a size 12.5, puma bioweb in size 12, and adidas supernova glide 6 in size 12.5 to anybody that wants them. All I ask is that you cover the shipping. They all have almost no wear on them and just dont work for me.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Duck - you mentioned the PE issue, and I have noticed that myself. For example, it felt awkward this spring when I first started pushing my pace again after a few months of not doing so. It took me a while to mentally adjust to a high PE ...to get used to the pain again.

Also, I'd be interested in learning who does that testing in the Chicagoland area.

PM sent

Me too, please!

 

[BassNBrew]

Sand or anyone interested…here are the apps available for the Ambit

http://www.movescount.com/apps

 

[Sand]

Sand or anyone interested…here are the apps available for the Ambit

http://www.movescount.com/apps

And Suunto just made standard automatic Strava importing... Hmmm...

 

[BassNBrew]

Sand or anyone interested…here are the apps available for the Ambit

http://www.movescount.com/apps

And Suunto just made standard automatic Strava importing... Hmmm...

Explain this to me like I'm not a rocket scientist. I'm supposed to be tracking my activities on Strava for one of my sponsors. Can I import my moves count data to Strava if I set up a Strava account?

 

[Sand]

Sand or anyone interested…here are the apps available for the Ambit

http://www.movescount.com/apps

And Suunto just made standard automatic Strava importing... Hmmm...

Explain this to me like I'm not a rocket scientist. I'm supposed to be tracking my activities on Strava for one of my sponsors. Can I import my moves count data to Strava if I set up a Strava account?

From the source.

 

[FUBAR]

Absolutely.

Just to take two prime examples for me, you all introduced me to endurance planet and MAF.

Love that podcast now and I have no doubt that training for MAF both enhanced endurance and prevented injury.

You're welcome. Ben Greenfield is a bit out there sometimes with his ketosis and constant biohacking, but most of the stuff from Tawnee and Lucho is gold.

And right on cue, in the podcast I listened to today Greenfield talks about his plans to experiment with coffee enemas......

I'll look forward to that.

 

[BassNBrew]

2 legs of my 5 x 8 mi in 24 hours done. Headed out shortly for leg 3. If all goes well the alarm will wake me up at 3 am to 3:30 for leg 4 and I'll finish this up in the morning. Thus far the runs have been in the 1h25m range. Trying to get five runs over the magic 1h15m mark Triman talks about being the gateway to building. Hit the first run today in the day of the heat around 85 degrees and it was still north of 80 this evening. Trying to get some heat acclimation in at the same time.

 

[SFBayDuck]

2 legs of my 5 x 8 mi in 24 hours done. Headed out shortly for leg 3. If all goes well the alarm will wake me up at 3 am to 3:30 for leg 4 and I'll finish this up in the morning. Thus far the runs have been in the 1h25m range. Trying to get five runs over the magic 1h15m mark Triman talks about being the gateway to building. Hit the first run today in the day of the heat around 85 degrees and it was still north of 80 this evening. Trying to get some heat acclimation in at the same time.

Wait, what now? Did I miss something?

 

[BassNBrew]

2 legs of my 5 x 8 mi in 24 hours done. Headed out shortly for leg 3. If all goes well the alarm will wake me up at 3 am to 3:30 for leg 4 and I'll finish this up in the morning. Thus far the runs have been in the 1h25m range. Trying to get five runs over the magic 1h15m mark Triman talks about being the gateway to building. Hit the first run today in the day of the heat around 85 degrees and it was still north of 80 this evening. Trying to get some heat acclimation in at the same time.

Wait, what now? Did I miss something?

Last bit of training before taper. Trying to log miles without major wear and tear and get in some night runs on limited sleep. Going with a one week taper.

I will pass along some advice, spinach salad followed by a caesar salad isn't good refueling. Gas pains started at .5 mi. Made it to the local qukimart at 1.5 mi just in time for a major explosion. Ran back home and down some tums and milk. Stomach recovered about 2 mi later so I finished the 8 mi.

 

[beer 302]

2 legs of my 5 x 8 mi in 24 hours done. Headed out shortly for leg 3. If all goes well the alarm will wake me up at 3 am to 3:30 for leg 4 and I'll finish this up in the morning. Thus far the runs have been in the 1h25m range. Trying to get five runs over the magic 1h15m mark Triman talks about being the gateway to building. Hit the first run today in the day of the heat around 85 degrees and it was still north of 80 this evening. Trying to get some heat acclimation in at the same time.

Wait, what now? Did I miss something?

Last bit of training before taper. Trying to log miles without major wear and tear and get in some night runs on limited sleep. Going with a one week taper.

I will pass along some advice, spinach salad followed by a caesar salad isn't good refueling. Gas pains started at .5 mi. Made it to the local qukimart at 1.5 mi just in time for a major explosion. Ran back home and down some tums and milk. Stomach recovered about 2 mi later so I finished the 8 mi.

Yes please elaborate on this, sounds sadistically fun (not the salad/gas/explosion stuff, the training)

Says the guy who just finished up a particularly sadistic 8 miler starting at 4:30am

 

[ghostguy123]

Geeze, you people talking about running 40 miles in a day heart monitors and refueling.....cats crawlin up tress and 5x5 is 25.......................

And here I am scraping by on short "jogs" working my ### of just to try and run a ### #### 5k in under 25 minutes.

I think my new goal is to be the best 215 pounf 5k-er of all time. I NEVER wanna stop eating like a horse. Ever.

Tonight no exception for the draft, woohoo.

My 10 miler coming up maybe monday, then a few short jogs before my 5/17 all important race. Woudl rather do the 10 miler friday, but might be too hung over

 

[SFBayDuck]

2 legs of my 5 x 8 mi in 24 hours done. Headed out shortly for leg 3. If all goes well the alarm will wake me up at 3 am to 3:30 for leg 4 and I'll finish this up in the morning. Thus far the runs have been in the 1h25m range. Trying to get five runs over the magic 1h15m mark Triman talks about being the gateway to building. Hit the first run today in the day of the heat around 85 degrees and it was still north of 80 this evening. Trying to get some heat acclimation in at the same time.

Wait, what now? Did I miss something?

Last bit of training before taper. Trying to log miles without major wear and tear and get in some night runs on limited sleep. Going with a one week taper.

I will pass along some advice, spinach salad followed by a caesar salad isn't good refueling. Gas pains started at .5 mi. Made it to the local qukimart at 1.5 mi just in time for a major explosion. Ran back home and down some tums and milk. Stomach recovered about 2 mi later so I finished the 8 mi.

Huh, I've heard of doubles but never a quintuple. I like the idea though. I'll be interested to see how you feel afterward. I can see doing something like this myself - but probably more than a week out from my race.

And agreed on the salad - hell I can't run even 3-4 hours after eating a salad for lunch without serious issues.

And what is triman's 1 hr15min rule? I don't recall this one, either.

 

[prosopis]

2 legs of my 5 x 8 mi in 24 hours done. Headed out shortly for leg 3. If all goes well the alarm will wake me up at 3 am to 3:30 for leg 4 and I'll finish this up in the morning. Thus far the runs have been in the 1h25m range. Trying to get five runs over the magic 1h15m mark Triman talks about being the gateway to building. Hit the first run today in the day of the heat around 85 degrees and it was still north of 80 this evening. Trying to get some heat acclimation in at the same time.

Wait, what now? Did I miss something?

Last bit of training before taper. Trying to log miles without major wear and tear and get in some night runs on limited sleep. Going with a one week taper.

I will pass along some advice, spinach salad followed by a caesar salad isn't good refueling. Gas pains started at .5 mi. Made it to the local qukimart at 1.5 mi just in time for a major explosion. Ran back home and down some tums and milk. Stomach recovered about 2 mi later so I finished the 8 mi.

Huh, I've heard of doubles but never a quintuple. I like the idea though. I'll be interested to see how you feel afterward. I can see doing something like this myself - but probably more than a week out from my race.

And agreed on the salad - hell I can't run even 3-4 hours after eating a salad for lunch without serious issues.

And what is triman's 1 hr15min rule? I don't recall this one, either.

I to am curious about triman's rule?

 

[FUBAR]

2 legs of my 5 x 8 mi in 24 hours done. Headed out shortly for leg 3. If all goes well the alarm will wake me up at 3 am to 3:30 for leg 4 and I'll finish this up in the morning. Thus far the runs have been in the 1h25m range. Trying to get five runs over the magic 1h15m mark Triman talks about being the gateway to building. Hit the first run today in the day of the heat around 85 degrees and it was still north of 80 this evening. Trying to get some heat acclimation in at the same time.

Wait, what now? Did I miss something?

Last bit of training before taper. Trying to log miles without major wear and tear and get in some night runs on limited sleep. Going with a one week taper.

I will pass along some advice, spinach salad followed by a caesar salad isn't good refueling. Gas pains started at .5 mi. Made it to the local qukimart at 1.5 mi just in time for a major explosion. Ran back home and down some tums and milk. Stomach recovered about 2 mi later so I finished the 8 mi.

Huh, I've heard of doubles but never a quintuple. I like the idea though. I'll be interested to see how you feel afterward. I can see doing something like this myself - but probably more than a week out from my race.

And agreed on the salad - hell I can't run even 3-4 hours after eating a salad for lunch without serious issues.

And what is triman's 1 hr15min rule? I don't recall this one, either.

Last time I did anything four times for over an hour in a day, I was in college and had just got with the wife.

 

[FUBAR]

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http://www.boston.com/business/news/2014/05/07/fivefingers-suit-filed-boston-settled/viYfHykFeNv5EupPr5bNMK/story.html

 

[FUBAR]

This is mildly disappointing. The run course for the Raleigh HIM is an out and back and back out and back.

http://www.mapmyride.com/us/raleigh-nc/ironman-70-3-raleigh-run-route-194673908

I much prefer loops or point to point.

 

[BassNBrew]

This is mildly disappointing. The run course for the Raleigh HIM is an out and back and back out and back.

http://www.mapmyride.com/us/raleigh-nc/ironman-70-3-raleigh-run-route-194673908

I much prefer loops or point to point.

Two good things about this. Your family can see you 4 times on the run without moving. You'll be able to see how much you're dusting off the competition.

 

[FUBAR]

This is mildly disappointing. The run course for the Raleigh HIM is an out and back and back out and back.

http://www.mapmyride.com/us/raleigh-nc/ironman-70-3-raleigh-run-route-194673908

I much prefer loops or point to point.

Two good things about this. Your family can see you 4 times on the run without moving. You'll be able to see how much you're dusting off the competition.

Family will be in church that morning and I will likely be the one getting dusted.

 

[tri-man 47]

Regarding the "rule," you guys are giving me more credit than I deserve on this one. One of the guys (maybe a couple) posted links regarding the benefits of runs lasting around 80 minutes. That was back a couple years ago or so. I gave strong agreement to the theory. The idea is that we achieve more benefits from a longer run of 80-90 minutes than a number of shorter runs. Ghost, this is part of the reason I was suggesting you build up to a long, slow weekend run.

Here's a couple articles I dug up on the matter.

http://www.runnersworld.com/race-training/single-session-workouts-marathoners

Long, but filled with good detail about training:

http://www.marathonguide.com/training/articles/mandbfuelonfat.cfm

 

[tri-man 47]

This is mildly disappointing. The run course for the Raleigh HIM is an out and back and back out and back.

http://www.mapmyride.com/us/raleigh-nc/ironman-70-3-raleigh-run-route-194673908

I much prefer loops or point to point.

This can have benefits, if you mentally prepare for the course. In particular, it breaks the HM leg into four clear segments, so you'll move through them one by one, checking them off the mental list as you go. Ideally, familiarity breeds content. Constantly seeing other runners could be a nice distraction, too ...use it for some productive race stalking.

eta: Interesting about the Vibrams lawsuit settlement!

 

[BassNBrew]

Weighed in at 204 this morning, one pound below goal weight. Will be tough to hang here through taper.

Here's a link to my 4th run, 4:30 am to 5:50 am. http://www.strava.com/activities/138713571

Thanks Sand for the Strava hook up. Quick and painless to set up.

It was actually the best of the 4. Managed a 9:56 pace with an average hr of 139. It was only 65 degrees and strangely enough I could see my breath. For comparison,

1st run was at a 10:25 pace and a 147 hr.

2nd run was at a 10:40 pace and a 151 hr.

3rd run (poop run) was at 11:20 pace and a 129 hr.

Amazing what a difference temperature makes.

 

[Sean]

noobish sneaker questions -

I assume most of you guys use different sneakers for daily training vs racing? Do you just do a few faster paced runs to break in race day sneakers?

Do you also have different sneakers for different runs? ie for longer slower runs vs intervals?

 

[ChiefD]

noobish sneaker questions -

I assume most of you guys use different sneakers for daily training vs racing? Do you just do a few faster paced runs to break in race day sneakers?

Do you also have different sneakers for different runs? ie for longer slower runs vs intervals?

I use the same shoes for training and racing. And really for all the different types of training.

 

[Ned]

BnB: Yup, you're still an fn animal.

Sean: I train in Asics Gel Cumulus exclusively (rotate 2 pairs at a time). Race anything over a 5K in Newton Gravity (lighter) and race 5K's in Asics Gel Tarther (flats). You'd be surprised at how much time youre giving away by racing in heavy trainers.

Funny thing about the break in question.... I haven't run in my Newton's since I did the Philly marathon in November, so I just ran in them today to make sure nothing's changed. Yup, still love these shoes!

 

[ChiefD]

Well, it seems like I've contracted a cold this week - just in time for Saturday's race. Stuffed up, scratchy throat, the whole bit. If I had to race today, there would be no way.

Hoping for a miracle before Saturday. Been lucky so far this year, so can't really complain. Just a bummer, since I was really looking forward to finishing out my spring races strong.

Dagnabbit.

 

[Ned]

Ned, will the mile splits show later if you do a normal run?

I don't think so, but I'll test that out on today's recovery run.Duck - I'll jot down battery life useage this week and let ya know. I didn't notice where it was at after the 6 miler yesterday.

Ugh, this is a major buzz kill. Hoping I'm an idiot and just haven't found it yet, but even yesterday's run I can't see the lap splits on the website. The regular run on the watch does not count/alert laps.

This is total crap. TomTom's site doesn't give you the splits that I can find, but they also upload your data to mapmyfitness. You can see your splits there, but only the times. If you want your HR splits, you have to pay them to get an MVP access.

TrueI thought I mentioned that last week but I may not have. I have it linked to Strava, Map My Run & Runkeeper (which I do pay extra for) and none give you splits if you are running less than a mile interval. Sucks majorly & I ain't paying $30/year for the info. It ain't that important to me but i know there a re a lot of folks who depend on it.

Thanks for the strava talk guys..... I found how to automatically feed strava with the TomTom and they show the HR splits. Woohoo!

Had a fantastic 8 miler @ 8:57/144 for lunch today. Pretty muggy out but I felt awesome.

We have our annual family marathon relay this weekend at the DE marathon. Going to be sunny and high of 81... I run the 4th leg, so it'll be nice and toasty. Yuck.

 

[Ned]

Well, it seems like I've contracted a cold this week - just in time for Saturday's race. Stuffed up, scratchy throat, the whole bit. If I had to race today, there would be no way.

Hoping for a miracle before Saturday. Been lucky so far this year, so can't really complain. Just a bummer, since I was really looking forward to finishing out my spring races strong.

Dagnabbit.

Still lots of time between now and Sunday. Coldeze, OJ, water, and lots of sleep. Don't worry about running between now and then. Just focus that energy on kicking the cold.

 

[jb1020]

Strava guys...is there a trick to uploading to Strava? My problem is I upload to Garmin, then try to go to Strava it always brings up the "no new activities" response.

Can you not upload to both?

Not sure why I still like the Garmin website....just habit.

 

[tri-man 47]

noobish sneaker questions -

I assume most of you guys use different sneakers for daily training vs racing? Do you just do a few faster paced runs to break in race day sneakers?

Do you also have different sneakers for different runs? ie for longer slower runs vs intervals?

I tend to have a lighter pair of Asics (DS Racer) for some training and racing, and regular/heavier Asics for general training. The issue for me is less about breaking in shoes than it is acclimating my legs (calves) to the racers, which have less of a heel-to-toe drop.

 

[beer 302]

Thanks for the strava talk guys..... I found how to automatically feed strava with the TomTom and they show the HR splits. Woohoo!

Hold the phone, just started using Strava this week and haven't run anything less than a mile interval, so you're saying if I run 400's or 800's it will give me splits?

noobish sneaker questions -

I assume most of you guys use different sneakers for daily training vs racing? Do you just do a few faster paced runs to break in race day sneakers?

Do you also have different sneakers for different runs? ie for longer slower runs vs intervals?

I tend to have a lighter pair of Asics (DS Racer) for some training and racing, and regular/heavier Asics for general training. The issue for me is less about breaking in shoes than it is acclimating my legs (calves) to the racers, which have less of a heel-to-toe drop.

Funny this topic came up. My ankle issues are flaring up again mostly because I haven't been wearing the inserts I did last year to get over it. I put them in this week to try and calm it down some and realized today how much of a difference they make. It's like strapping bricks to your feet. Where i had been around 8:30-8:40 comfortable pace last week, that same pace/effort/HR had me at 9:00-9:20 today. Going to have to experiment with this.

 

[Ned]

Thanks for the strava talk guys..... I found how to automatically feed strava with the TomTom and they show the HR splits. Woohoo!

Hold the phone, just started using Strava this week and haven't run anything less than a mile interval, so you're saying if I run 400's or 800's it will give me splits?

If you set the watch to take laps at those intervals, I don't see why not.

I just noticed strava read today's file differently than TomTom did.

TomTom: 8.27mi

Strava: 8.10mi

If I map the route with mapmyrun, it jives with TomTom. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[beer 302]

Thanks for the strava talk guys..... I found how to automatically feed strava with the TomTom and they show the HR splits. Woohoo!

Hold the phone, just started using Strava this week and haven't run anything less than a mile interval, so you're saying if I run 400's or 800's it will give me splits?

If you set the watch to take laps at those intervals, I don't see why not.I just noticed strava read today's file differently than TomTom did.

TomTom: 8.27mi

Strava: 8.10mi

If I map the route with mapmyrun, it jives with TomTom. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Noticed that as well. I am a Runkeeper guy and it typically measures true with the TomTom where Strava is a bit short.I'll have to try some 800's next week and see what comes out of Strava, I didn't think it broke them down without going pay like Map My run.

 

[FUBAR]

amazing how swim drills can knock you on your ### while you're modifying your technique. Barely got 1.5 miles in, doing mostly 50s at the end with zoomers. But, I do think changing the technique to more efficient high elbow, engaging the lats, will pay off big time by the end of the summer.

I'm sorer now from swimming than I have been since I got back into it.