Ran a 10k in June (3 Viewers)

[RoarinSonoran]

3mi in 23:55 last night on the track I mentioned a couple weeks ago. I'm almost through the ChiRunning book, so I decided to try some of the techniques (well, what I could remember). That lasted for about a lap. lol I think I had the lean, the elbows pumping back, the legs reaching back and not landing in front of me, but I seemed to have burned up a lot of energy in the process. My pace flew into the 7x range (~7:30??). I had to walk for 50m after that lap, and then the remaining laps in my usual form were labored. I'm not sure if I was doing it right and burned up the energy because I was using different muscles, or what. It certainly opened up my stride, and I'll have to remember that form for a finishing sprint sometime.

 

[gruecd]

So now that all of my races are over, what do you guys do to stay motivated to keep running? Trying to figure out what type of running to do just to keep the base mileage going. Do you follow a training program just to follow one? I find following one gives me discipline and a goal, but not sure how I would do with it knowing there is no race at the end of it.Obviously I can just schedule my next race, but don't want to do that right now since sometimes I feel like training is a chore and I kind of just want to run and enjoy it.

I don't really use any formal plans, either. I'll need to start training for Boston sometime in late December or early January, so between now and then I'll just try to keep my weekly mileage up around 30 miles, and I'll try to be more consistent with my strength training. I'll typically run 5-6 times per week, including a long run of 10-12 miles each weekend, a mid-week medium/long run of 6-8 miles, and then a handful of 4-5 milers. I start a 10-week competitive basketball league in early December, and I just ordered the Yoga for Athletes DVD, since my flexibility is sorely lacking.Other than that, I guess I don't do much.

 

[El Floppo]

2-3 runs a week. 2x 4m runs midweek, where one is a tempo run and the other is either interval or hills. (8m total midweek)One Long run each of the last 10 weeks, which have been anywhere from 12-20m. I got 2x 20m and an 18m as my longest in that stretch. (20-28m total per week).

Comment: Less than 30 miles/week will create some challenges for the 26 mile race. Be more conservative with your pacing. [spring marathon, I had a number of 45-50 mile weeks; for yesterday, I only had 35-40 mile training weeks. Long runs were the same for both.]

My tempo runs are around 8:00 pace, give or take due to PTTS. 1/2m intervals I've hit 6:30 pace, but am usually around 7:15. The two 20m runs were 2:51 and 2:53 IIRC- 8:30ish pace. One of them felt great, the other not so much. The 14m run yesterday was at 8:10 pace and felt like I could go on forever (last two miles were sub 8s, but it was all only on the flats).

Comment: So 8:30ish/mile gives some indication of pacing. A strong 14 mile run gives less of an indication. It might suggest a well-paced marathon, but the risk is it's not supported by a strong enough base.

In terms of muscle memory- two years ago

Comment: No, that's mind memory, gb. From two years ago. It doesn't count and won't help you. Sorry.

But then there's the knee and the baby and the whole littany of PTTSs...

Comment: All of which translate into the training limitations you've faced. So again, be more conservative with your pacing.I'd suggest the 9:00/mile pace group at best. If you stay at that pace, you're under 4:00 hours. That's a solid goal. Anything faster than that is risking a difficult race or injury reoccurrence. If you can pick it up near the end, great. "Those who can't do, teach."

Never thanked you properly for this reply- solid stuff, and solid advice, gb- Saw my PT today (again- former IM tri-clubmate and TNT marathon coach) and gave him the whole shpiel I gave you above. He was in the more optimistic camp of going for either the 3:40 or 3:50 groups and adjusting them as needed after the first 1/2 (there's a short steep bridge at about mile 13). I'm going to see how everything feels over the next week and then play it by ear. Although I'm sure I'll be doing plenty of in my head and in this thead over this during the next week and a half.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Last results are out from yesterday, and this time it included my UW (Under Water) Mile when we ran under the Detroit River through the tunnel. I posted a 7:58, which was between miles 8 & 9.

Wise up, brother - we ALL run faster below sea level.

Now you tell me, I thought I planned for everything. I'll have to find some tunnels to log "tunnel miles" before next years race.

 

[SteveUK]

For all that Darrin's been through to dramatically lose weight over the past couple years, I'll grant him all the vanity-slack he wants for a couple more years to gaze in amazement at what he has become!

A couple more years? I was thinking a couple of weeks at the most.

 

[tri-man 47]

Last results are out from yesterday, and this time it included my UW (Under Water) Mile when we ran under the Detroit River through the tunnel. I posted a 7:58, which was between miles 8 & 9.

Wise up, brother - we ALL run faster below sea level.

Now you tell me, I thought I planned for everything. I'll have to find some tunnels to log "tunnel miles" before next years race.

 

[gruecd]

Wow. Almost 17 hours without a post in here. That must be some kind of record. Anybody else realize that we're coming up on page 100 of this thread?

Still having problems with the piriformis (nice link, 2Young), but my PT says that it's OK to run, and it actually feels better when I do, so I did an easy 5 miler yesterday afternoon, and I'm planning to do eight miles tonight at an easy 8:00 pace. Nothing tomorrow, then I'm doing my long run on Friday because I'm racing on Saturday (probably with Furley).

What's up with everyone else?

 

[El Floppo]

Taper has begun...

Usual 4m recovery/tempo run, minus the tempo part. Added some short intervals from m1.5- m2.5.

Took extra care to run the last couple miles slowly... like, butt-dragging slowly. Ice on the knee now as precaution- no pain, although a little tired from PT/ART yesterday.

So far, all systems go for NYC.

 

[2Young2BBald]

What's up with everyone else?

Had a few idle moments at work today and thought about how to keep things rolling over the winter and next year as a whole. I like the thought that was passed on here about being accountable to yourself. To this end, I need to see things in a single page snapshot. For 2008, I built a weekly running recap by day, week and year totals for all 53 weeks (53 due to where new years falls). And, it fits on a single Excel spreadsheet page with room for dates, miles run and a label for type of run. A lot of times this fall I found myself thinking I did a certain amout of miles, days, etc. I thought this would be a good way to keep myself straight.While the sizing isn't perfect and its not all that good looking, it is fully functional. Hate to keep this to myself, if someone else can find some utility in it. So, can I PM an attachement? If so, those who want this, let me know. And, if I cannot and you still want it, let me know and I'll send it via email. And, I know, On to running, sort of, I walked 2 miles yesterday and felt very good after. No time to run tonight, so tomorrow will be the first run post race and will be a 5Kish run. If I feel good on the weekend, we'll see what Sat or Sun brings.

 

[Darrinll40]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

 

[SteveUK]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

Sure the 84 degree temp wasn't the reason for the struggle?I must be getting addicted since I am starting to get antsy with this scheduled rest day

 

[Darrinll40]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

Sure the 84 degree temp wasn't the reason for the struggle?I must be getting addicted since I am starting to get antsy with this scheduled rest day

Fairly sure. It was just as hot the day before when I clocked the 45 minutes.You should have come with me today. Screw the schedule.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Taper has begun...

Usual 4m recovery/tempo run, minus the tempo part. Added some short intervals from m1.5- m2.5.

Took extra care to run the last couple miles slowly... like, butt-dragging slowly. Ice on the knee now as precaution- no pain, although a little tired from PT/ART yesterday.

So far, all systems go for NYC.

Giddy'up!! Goal #1 is in your sights!!!

 

[pigskinliquors]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

Awesome to hear Darrin!! 42:57 = You've come a LONG ways!! I'm slowly plugging along. I'm going for a whomping 4 mile run tomorrow. Baby steps, baby steps. The Mrs. and I are heading to Atlantis (Bahamas) the first week of November, and I'm hoping to be able to run on the beach with her everyday while there (small goal, but it should be rewarding). I have no plans to race any earlier than February, so I'm following Tri-man and will slowly be building a base prior to making any commitments.

 

[tri-man 47]

I'm doin' nuttin (day off for each of the four hours of racing). I need to stay away from the running for a while (a few or even several weeks) to ensure my Achilles gets well. I'll get back to my other routines, starting with a Friday swim.

My early thoughts for next season ...what currently interests me ...is to shorten down to the range of 5Ks up to half-marathons. This will let me get back into some speed work, which I miss.

Liquors, at some point I'd be interested in some of the tips from your Immersion swimming where you learned how to cut down on the number of strokes.

 

[El Floppo]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

Awesome to hear Darrin!! 42:57 = You've come a LONG ways!! I'm slowly plugging along. I'm going for a whomping 4 mile run tomorrow. Baby steps, baby steps. The Mrs. and I are heading to Atlantis (Bahamas) the first week of November, and I'm hoping to be able to run on the beach with her everyday while there (small goal, but it should be rewarding). I have no plans to race any earlier than February, so I'm following Tri-man and will slowly be building a base prior to making any commitments.

Wasn't it only weeks ago that Darrin looked at one of Gruecd's slow run's pacing as an impossibility... and now you're busting sub 9:00 5milers! Fantastic work as always. My hope for you, as it for me and the rest of this crowd in here- stay healthy. I saw my PT yesterday (former IM teammate and multi-marathoner/coach) and we got to talking about the benefits of rest. Our former coaches had our schedule structured as 3 weeks on, 1 week off... with the "off" still with workouts, just slow, small and easy (sounds like Furley). He gave a lot of praise to that type of schedule, as he see's a ton of patients who just go hard without rest.

And I'm with Pig... after NYC, I have no idea what my race schedule will be. But I'd like to get back into tris, if possible- already ran the biking one day a week thing by the wife (she's still freaked by my bad crash over a year ago with me almost getting run over by a pickup truck). Really want to keep some of the work I've done for NYC in the legs- thinking run x2 days, bike x1, swim x1 as a realistic goal for the winter.

Oh... Also speaking about my PT friend- he brought up Chi Running out of the blue! Said he had just heard about it from a patient who gave him the book... he thought it all made a lot of sense. Funny how things get out there into the ether...

 

[MelvinTScupper]

ran a 10k at lunch yesterday

:flex:

 

[Darrinll40]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

I forgot to add that my time at the halfway point was 22:11. It made me happier to have a negative split than it did to beat the time overall. I still can't figure out how I got back in 20:46.

 

[tri-man 47]

Our former coaches had our schedule structured as 3 weeks on, 1 week off... with the "off" still with workouts, just slow, small and easy (sounds like Furley).

Mmmm ...not so small. Yet.

 

[gruecd]

Sounds like everyone is doing well. Darrin, congrats on the continued progress. You're really coming along!

And tri-man, I'm seriously impressed that you can be so discliplined with the rest days. I honestly can't remember the last time I've had consecutive "off" days (when I wasn't injured). I think I'm just an endorphin junkie!

On that note, one of the girls in my running club wants me join her and a couple of friends for a 10-miler at 4:30 tomorrow morning! I'm kicking it around, but (1) I'd need to get up by 4:00, and (2) I'm running a 5K race on Saturday. (I was going to use the weather as another excuse, but the temps should be in the low 40s, which actually isn't too bad.)

It's funny to think that I might be getting home from my 10-mile run right around the time my wife is getting up for work. Just not sure it's a good idea with the race the next day. I do, however, like the idea of not having to run long on Sunday. Decisions, decisons......

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm doin' nuttin (day off for each of the four hours of racing). I need to stay away from the running for a while (a few or even several weeks) to ensure my Achilles gets well. I'll get back to my other routines, starting with a Friday swim.

My early thoughts for next season ...what currently interests me ...is to shorten down to the range of 5Ks up to half-marathons. This will let me get back into some speed work, which I miss.

Liquors, at some point I'd be interested in some of the tips from your Immersion swimming where you learned how to cut down on the number of strokes.

The two keys for me were achieving better balance (via drills) and increasing the rotation of my shoulders (underwater shoulder toward the bottom of the pool, other shoulder toward the sky). Once you get going I'd love to forward drills to you. I'll get back in the water after the Holidays to start getting into tri mode, but am currently going to focus mainly on slowing down my running (anti-speed work), and building a base.

 

[pigskinliquors]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

I forgot to add that my time at the halfway point was 22:11. It made me happier to have a negative split than it did to beat the time overall. I still can't figure out how I got back in 20:46.

Do you think the new running form is helping? I'm only a couple of runs in (concentrating on going slow), and don't know if my attempted new form is having any effect.

 

[pigskinliquors]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

Awesome to hear Darrin!! 42:57 = You've come a LONG ways!! I'm slowly plugging along. I'm going for a whomping 4 mile run tomorrow. Baby steps, baby steps. The Mrs. and I are heading to Atlantis (Bahamas) the first week of November, and I'm hoping to be able to run on the beach with her everyday while there (small goal, but it should be rewarding). I have no plans to race any earlier than February, so I'm following Tri-man and will slowly be building a base prior to making any commitments.

Wasn't it only weeks ago that Darrin looked at one of Gruecd's slow run's pacing as an impossibility... and now you're busting sub 9:00 5milers! Fantastic work as always. My hope for you, as it for me and the rest of this crowd in here- stay healthy. I saw my PT yesterday (former IM teammate and multi-marathoner/coach) and we got to talking about the benefits of rest. Our former coaches had our schedule structured as 3 weeks on, 1 week off... with the "off" still with workouts, just slow, small and easy (sounds like Furley). He gave a lot of praise to that type of schedule, as he see's a ton of patients who just go hard without rest.

And I'm with Pig... after NYC, I have no idea what my race schedule will be. But I'd like to get back into tris, if possible- already ran the biking one day a week thing by the wife (she's still freaked by my bad crash over a year ago with me almost getting run over by a pickup truck). Really want to keep some of the work I've done for NYC in the legs- thinking run x2 days, bike x1, swim x1 as a realistic goal for the winter.

Oh... Also speaking about my PT friend- he brought up Chi Running out of the blue! Said he had just heard about it from a patient who gave him the book... he thought it all made a lot of sense. Funny how things get out there into the ether...

That will most likely be my schedule at the beginning of the New Year as well though I will probably go with 3 runs (1 long, 1 medium and 1 short; with all being slow). Currently I'm attempting to to run 3x per week, bike 1x and concentrate on upper body strength 2x per week (I have Total Gym that I get an anaerobic work-out from = my go to workout when my legs need rest).

 

[pigskinliquors]

Sounds like everyone is doing well. Darrin, congrats on the continued progress. You're really coming along!

And tri-man, I'm seriously impressed that you can be so discliplined with the rest days. I honestly can't remember the last time I've had consecutive "off" days (when I wasn't injured). I think I'm just an endorphin junkie!

On that note, one of the girls in my running club wants me join her and a couple of friends for a 10-miler at 4:30 tomorrow morning! I'm kicking it around, but (1) I'd need to get up by 4:00, and (2) I'm running a 5K race on Saturday. (I was going to use the weather as another excuse, but the temps should be in the low 40s, which actually isn't too bad.)

It's funny to think that I might be getting home from my 10-mile run right around the time my wife is getting up for work. Just not sure it's a good idea with the race the next day. I do, however, like the idea of not having to run long on Sunday. Decisions, decisons......

I say do the 10-miler unless you really want to focus on a PR in your 5k. Your legs will certainly be tired during the 5k, but how many chances are you going to have to be with multiple women (none being your wife) at 4:30 in the morning?

 

[Darrinll40]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

I forgot to add that my time at the halfway point was 22:11. It made me happier to have a negative split than it did to beat the time overall. I still can't figure out how I got back in 20:46.

Do you think the new running form is helping? I'm only a couple of runs in (concentrating on going slow), and don't know if my attempted new form is having any effect.

I think so, though I have to think to run that way. I hope that soon it will just come naturally.

 

[pigskinliquors]

What's up with everyone else?

Well, Monday I ran my fastest 5 miles ever, Yesterday I ran 5.8 with Steve, but struggled because I ran so fast Monday, Today I again ran my fastest 5 miles ever. Both of the 5 milers were actually 5.05, Mondays was in 45:05 and todays was 42:57. The air temp today was about 10 degrees cooler than the last two days, and I felt real good while running. I probably could have been faster but I developed a stitch in my side in the last mile. In the last 5 days I have run 34.22 miles at a 9:15 pace. So, how is everyone else doing?

I forgot to add that my time at the halfway point was 22:11. It made me happier to have a negative split than it did to beat the time overall. I still can't figure out how I got back in 20:46.

Do you think the new running form is helping? I'm only a couple of runs in (concentrating on going slow), and don't know if my attempted new form is having any effect.

I think so, though I have to think to run that way. I hope that soon it will just come naturally.

Even the Chi Running guy states that he has to continually think about it as well, even to the extent that he sets a timer on his watch to remind him every 5 minutes. Great to hear how far you've come!!!

 

[Darrinll40]

I found this running store in an ad while reading Running Times today.

I can't vouch for them or their service, but they seem to have decent prices.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Race photos from Sunday are out, here are a few (and no, I am not the guy that plays Mini Me in the Austin Powers movies):

Right before the finish: http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file...95-49A_0963.JPG

Big finish 1: http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file...sh/62B_1376.JPG

Big finish 2: http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file...ish/66_0562.JPG

I’ll need to practice being a picture ho a little bit more: http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file...95-47B_1529.JPG

Finally, yes, I do know I am playing out of my league: http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file...1396-5_0304.JPG

Finally ran today and did a 4 mile recovery run of sorts. Great run, not because of the time, but rather the company. My 9-year-old son joined me by riding to a local track and running a mile of his own. Our kids are motivated after hear what we did this weekend and since they heard about this: http://www.martianmarathon.com/ The kids have to log 25 miles before April 4th of next year and then run the last 1.2 to run a “marathon”. Plus they get a stuffed Martian after 10 miles. Both our kids have shown interest in doing this and we’ll be doing the ½ marathon the next day.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Our kids are motivated after hear what we did this weekend and since they heard about this: http://www.martianmarathon.com/ The kids have to log 25 miles before April 4th of next year and then run the last 1.2 to run a “marathon”. Plus they get a stuffed Martian after 10 miles. Both our kids have shown interest in doing this and we’ll be doing the ½ marathon the next day.

PF Chang's does this as well. link Looks like it kicks off this weekend, and suggests a 10wk training program. I'll have to see if my daughter is interested. lol

 

[El Floppo]

I'm doin' nuttin (day off for each of the four hours of racing). I need to stay away from the running for a while (a few or even several weeks) to ensure my Achilles gets well. I'll get back to my other routines, starting with a Friday swim.

My early thoughts for next season ...what currently interests me ...is to shorten down to the range of 5Ks up to half-marathons. This will let me get back into some speed work, which I miss.

Liquors, at some point I'd be interested in some of the tips from your Immersion swimming where you learned how to cut down on the number of strokes.

The two keys for me were achieving better balance (via drills) and increasing the rotation of my shoulders (underwater shoulder toward the bottom of the pool, other shoulder toward the sky). Once you get going I'd love to forward drills to you. I'll get back in the water after the Holidays to start getting into tri mode, but am currently going to focus mainly on slowing down my running (anti-speed work), and building a base.

Post marathon, looking to get back to the pool, especially since its the only thing the wife and I can do together. Would love to learn me some swimming.

 

[tri-man 47]

Post marathon, looking to get back to the pool, especially since its the only thing the wife and I can do together.

Didn't your wife just have a ba ...:quicklychangessubject:

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Post marathon, looking to get back to the pool, especially since its the only thing the wife and I can do together. Would love to learn me some swimming.

Paging tri-man. Please report to the podium to make a witty comment.Oops. Guess you were typing the witty comment while I was paging you!

 

[gruecd]

OK, so apparently there's this novel called "Once a Runner" by an author named John L. Parker, Jr. It's been out of print for several years, and apparently it's some kind of cult classic among runners. I've never even heard of it before tonight, but now I'm intrigued, and I need to get my hands on a copy (self-diagnosed obsessive-compulsive here).

Has anyone else ever heard of this book? Know someone who has it? Already checked the local library, and apparently it's also one of the most stolen books of all time, because they checked the inter-library loan system, and it's coded as "missing" or "lost" pretty much everywhere.

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

OK, so apparently there's this novel called "Once a Runner" by an author named John L. Parker, Jr. It's been out of print for several years, and apparently it's some kind of cult classic among runners. I've never even heard of it before tonight, but now I'm intrigued, and I need to get my hands on a copy (self-diagnosed obsessive-compulsive here).

Has anyone else ever heard of this book? Know someone who has it? Already checked the local library, and apparently it's also one of the most stolen books of all time, because they checked the inter-library loan system, and it's coded as "missing" or "lost" pretty much everywhere.

4.5 stars at Amazon based on 109 reviews. The photo on the cover kinda gives me the heebie jeebies though.

 

[gruecd]

The photo on the cover kinda gives me the heebie jeebies though.

Agreed, but I still need to get my hands on this book. Hopefully by the time I get back from my 10-miler tomorrow morning, someone will have come through for me.

 

[Darrinll40]

(self-diagnosed obsessive-compulsive here).

I will look for the book here in Florida. Someone last week asked me how I lost all the weight, and I told them that it helps to be a little bit OCD. Self-diagnosed also, but it explains a lot about me.

 

[2Young2BBald]

(self-diagnosed obsessive-compulsive here).

I will look for the book here in Florida. Someone last week asked me how I lost all the weight, and I told them that it helps to be a little bit OCD. Self-diagnosed also, but it explains a lot about me.

No OCD here, none, zip, no idea what you are talking about

 

[2Young2BBald]

OK, so apparently there's this novel called "Once a Runner" by an author named John L. Parker, Jr. It's been out of print for several years, and apparently it's some kind of cult classic among runners. I've never even heard of it before tonight, but now I'm intrigued, and I need to get my hands on a copy (self-diagnosed obsessive-compulsive here).

Has anyone else ever heard of this book? Know someone who has it? Already checked the local library, and apparently it's also one of the most stolen books of all time, because they checked the inter-library loan system, and it's coded as "missing" or "lost" pretty much everywhere.

If you really, really want it, there is one copy on eBay for $115.00 on a Buy It Now basis. Sounded like a possible Xmas gift for my wife until I saw the price.eta, forgot the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Once-a-Runner-by-John-...VQQcmdZViewItem

 

[gruecd]

If you really, really want it, there is one copy on eBay for $115.00 on a Buy It Now basis. Sounded like a possible Xmas gift for my wife until I saw the price.

eta, forgot the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Once-a-Runner-by-John-...VQQcmdZViewItem

Yeah, I saw that, but I don't really want it that bad. I think I might call a couple of used book stores today, figuring maybe I'll luck out and find a copy. Otherwise, I might check the library again and hope that I can find a librarian who's more resourceful.By the way, I got my new issue of Runner's World yesterday and saw your "Letter to the Editor." Very cool.

 

[Darrinll40]

In the latest issue of Running Times (Dec 2007), there is a nice article about marathon recovery. I tried to find it online but the latest is October issue. When they post it I will try and remember to link it.

 

[tri-man 47]

In the latest issue of Running Times (Dec 2007), there is a nice article about marathon recovery. I tried to find it online but the latest is October issue. When they post it I will try and remember to link it.

Meh. 40 minute swim this morning ...tall glass of scotch tonight. Recovery, shlovery.

 

[tri-man 47]

My 9-year-old son joined me by riding to a local track and running a mile of his own. Our kids are motivated after hear what we did this weekend and since they heard about this: http://www.martianmarathon.com/ The kids have to log 25 miles before April 4th of next year and then run the last 1.2 to run a “marathon”. Plus they get a stuffed Martian after 10 miles. Both our kids have shown interest in doing this and we’ll be doing the ½ marathon the next day.

My kids weren't and aren't runners, but they've appreciated my efforts and fitness. My daughter in particular has become my best and avid supporter. So hearing that your kids are not only motivated to hear of your success but also to participate themselves? ...I say from experience that that's going to be the best part of your running over the next several years.

 

[gruecd]

Sounds like everyone is doing well. Darrin, congrats on the continued progress. You're really coming along!

And tri-man, I'm seriously impressed that you can be so discliplined with the rest days. I honestly can't remember the last time I've had consecutive "off" days (when I wasn't injured). I think I'm just an endorphin junkie!

On that note, one of the girls in my running club wants me join her and a couple of friends for a 10-miler at 4:30 tomorrow morning! I'm kicking it around, but (1) I'd need to get up by 4:00, and (2) I'm running a 5K race on Saturday. (I was going to use the weather as another excuse, but the temps should be in the low 40s, which actually isn't too bad.)

It's funny to think that I might be getting home from my 10-mile run right around the time my wife is getting up for work. Just not sure it's a good idea with the race the next day. I do, however, like the idea of not having to run long on Sunday. Decisions, decisons......

I say do the 10-miler unless you really want to focus on a PR in your 5k. Your legs will certainly be tired during the 5k, but how many chances are you going to have to be with multiple women (none being your wife) at 4:30 in the morning?

OK, so I didn't run at 4:30, but I did meet one of the girls (who's also doing the 5K tomorrow morning) at 5:30 for a nice, slower-than-usual 10-miler (8:21 pace). It was a nice, crisp, 40-degree morning, and while it totally sucked getting out of bed, it always feel great when you're standing there at 7 AM on Friday and you've already banked your long run for the weekend. Furley told me earlier this week that he's "95% sure" that he's coming down to Appleton to join me for the 5K tomorrow. I propose that all of you apply some not-so-gentle peer pressure to bring him the rest of the way! Heck, Furley, if tri-man can drive from Chicago to DePere, surely you can drive from Green Bay to Appleton, no?! (Edit to say that Furley's bum foot is still giving him trouble, so I guess I'll understand if he decides not to come.)

 

[RoarinSonoran]

OK, so apparently there's this novel called "Once a Runner" by an author named John L. Parker, Jr. It's been out of print for several years, and apparently it's some kind of cult classic among runners. I've never even heard of it before tonight, but now I'm intrigued, and I need to get my hands on a copy (self-diagnosed obsessive-compulsive here).

Has anyone else ever heard of this book? Know someone who has it? Already checked the local library, and apparently it's also one of the most stolen books of all time, because they checked the inter-library loan system, and it's coded as "missing" or "lost" pretty much everywhere.

If you really, really want it, there is one copy on eBay for $115.00 on a Buy It Now basis. Sounded like a possible Xmas gift for my wife until I saw the price.eta, forgot the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Once-a-Runner-by-John-...VQQcmdZViewItem

$93.65 - $183.86 on half.com.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Got up at 4:30 myself for a run this morning, although my "long run" was 6 miles. I'm heading up to Eugene this afternoon for the Oregon v USC game tomorrow, and I was too excited/nervous to sleep (you'd think I was playing in the game or something), so I just got up at 4:30, drove into The City and off I went. I know I won't run this weekend, so I'm glad I got this one in today, and gruecd I totally know what you mean about it being 7:00 and being done with my run already, felt great.

ETA: Page 100!!!!!!!

 

[tri-man 47]

OK, so I didn't run at 4:30, but I did meet one of the girls at 5:30 for a nice, slower-than-usual 10-miler (8:21 pace) time of morning passion. It was a nice, crisp, 40-degree morning, and while it totally sucked getting out of back into bed, it always feel great when you're standing there at erect 7 AM on Friday and you've already banked banged your long run first babe for the weekend.

Fixed. Welcome to page 100, guys!

 

[gruecd]

OK, so I didn't run at 4:30, but I did meet one of the girls at 5:30 for a nice, slower-than-usual 10-miler (8:21 pace) time of morning passion. It was a nice, crisp, 40-degree morning, and while it totally sucked getting out of back into bed, it always feel great when you're standing there at erect 7 AM on Friday and you've already banked banged your long run first babe for the weekend.

Fixed. Welcome to page 100, guys!

As only tri-man can do......

 

[lumpy19]

What's up with everyone else?

Had a few idle moments at work today and thought about how to keep things rolling over the winter and next year as a whole. I like the thought that was passed on here about being accountable to yourself. To this end, I need to see things in a single page snapshot. For 2008, I built a weekly running recap by day, week and year totals for all 53 weeks (53 due to where new years falls). And, it fits on a single Excel spreadsheet page with room for dates, miles run and a label for type of run. A lot of times this fall I found myself thinking I did a certain amout of miles, days, etc. I thought this would be a good way to keep myself straight.While the sizing isn't perfect and its not all that good looking, it is fully functional. Hate to keep this to myself, if someone else can find some utility in it. So, can I PM an attachement? If so, those who want this, let me know. And, if I cannot and you still want it, let me know and I'll send it via email. And, I know, On to running, sort of, I walked 2 miles yesterday and felt very good after. No time to run tonight, so tomorrow will be the first run post race and will be a 5Kish run. If I feel good on the weekend, we'll see what Sat or Sun brings.

I'll pimp the Nike + stuff again in this thread because it's helped me so much. It logs everything including your fastest mile, fastest 5k, 10k, etc. I have a detailed run "graph" of every run i've done since early may when i got this and it's all online so i can access it anywhere. It has my splits for every mile, longest runs, fastest runs, everything.

 

[tri-man 47]

Couple of marathon race pics:

http://www.marathonfoto.com/order_packages...reInfo=44058449

http://www.marathonfoto.com/order_packages...reInfo=44092190

http://www.marathonfoto.com/order_packages...reInfo=44082581

If you're unsure, I'm the skinny, old, tired guy.

 

[gruecd]

OK, so apparently there's this novel called "Once a Runner" by an author named John L. Parker, Jr. It's been out of print for several years, and apparently it's some kind of cult classic among runners. I've never even heard of it before tonight, but now I'm intrigued, and I need to get my hands on a copy (self-diagnosed obsessive-compulsive here).

Has anyone else ever heard of this book? Know someone who has it? Already checked the local library, and apparently it's also one of the most stolen books of all time, because they checked the inter-library loan system, and it's coded as "missing" or "lost" pretty much everywhere.

If you really, really want it, there is one copy on eBay for $115.00 on a Buy It Now basis. Sounded like a possible Xmas gift for my wife until I saw the price.eta, forgot the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Once-a-Runner-by-John-...VQQcmdZViewItem

Just found this link to a Xeroxed .pdf copy embedded in a thread on the Cool Running message board. Better than nothing for now, I guess.