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Ran a 10k in June (1 Viewer)

Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :boxing: :goodposting:
:lmao: 2/3/1 this morning, goal pace for the 3 was 8:00 and I hit 7:59 - barely. Really had to rush the last .4 miles to get in under 8. Probably a good & bad thing depending on how you look at it. Falling squarely into the "what was I thinking?!??" category I did 3 sets of lunges on the way home. Was planning on biking or swimming tomorrow, but we'll see how bad the legs feel. I also need to decide how far to run on Saturday - training program says 8, but I'm thinking I may venture over to the race trail in prep for the 12k in 2 weeks, which would be closer to 10 miles total. I really feel like I need to redeem myself after the 10k.
 
Set out to do 3 miles this morning at (for me) was a quick pace, though it was very hot and humid. Tried to do the first mile in 8:10 or so, but did it in 8:20. Did the second mile in about 8:45. Thus, I was amazed to get back home and find that I had run the last mile in 6:30 without really straining.

After feeling really great about myself for 20 minutes, it dawned on me that I had run my regular 2.75-mile course, without doing the quarter-mile offshoot that I added to my route last week as I began to up my mileage. In reality, that 6:30 last mile was just three-fourths of a mile run at an 8:40 pace.

Oh well. Just got to keep plugging away. I'm getting better at running longer distances at a slow pace (6 miles at 9:30 pace last Sunday) but still have no speed whatsoever.

 
2Young2BSoTough - well done, man, well done.

18,000 runners, eh? A young gal at work who's a novice runner (no pics, unfortunately) is in corral 13. It's still going to be a lot of people, staggered starts notwithstanding. Not sure I'll like that part.

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I think I mentioned a good Monday 8 miler. Yesterday was an hour on the bike. Today was another 7 mile run, with a hard 3 mile effort on the back end. Ended up doing the 3 miles at 7:02/mile pace! It felt good with a strong stride.

 
Set out to do 3 miles this morning at (for me) was a quick pace, though it was very hot and humid. Tried to do the first mile in 8:10 or so, but did it in 8:20. Did the second mile in about 8:45. Thus, I was amazed to get back home and find that I had run the last mile in 6:30 without really straining.After feeling really great about myself for 20 minutes, it dawned on me that I had run my regular 2.75-mile course, without doing the quarter-mile offshoot that I added to my route last week as I began to up my mileage. In reality, that 6:30 last mile was just three-fourths of a mile run at an 8:40 pace.Oh well. Just got to keep plugging away. I'm getting better at running longer distances at a slow pace (6 miles at 9:30 pace last Sunday) but still have no speed whatsoever.
Speed will come as you up your distances. You most likely shouldn't work on both at the same time. Right now you should be getting in base miles = putting in miles to build up endurance. Once your runs start feeling comfortable (easily could talk to somebody during there entirety), it's a great time to add one speed day per week (i.e., intervals). That's when you'll start seeing gains in speed.
 
pigskinliquors said:
The_Man said:
Set out to do 3 miles this morning at (for me) was a quick pace, though it was very hot and humid. Tried to do the first mile in 8:10 or so, but did it in 8:20. Did the second mile in about 8:45. Thus, I was amazed to get back home and find that I had run the last mile in 6:30 without really straining.After feeling really great about myself for 20 minutes, it dawned on me that I had run my regular 2.75-mile course, without doing the quarter-mile offshoot that I added to my route last week as I began to up my mileage. In reality, that 6:30 last mile was just three-fourths of a mile run at an 8:40 pace.Oh well. Just got to keep plugging away. I'm getting better at running longer distances at a slow pace (6 miles at 9:30 pace last Sunday) but still have no speed whatsoever.
Speed will come as you up your distances. You most likely shouldn't work on both at the same time. Right now you should be getting in base miles = putting in miles to build up endurance. Once your runs start feeling comfortable (easily could talk to somebody during there entirety), it's a great time to add one speed day per week (i.e., intervals). That's when you'll start seeing gains in speed.
Thanks. Will just keep plodding away for now. I've only been running seriously for about a month, and I have to keep resisting the temptation to do too much, too fast. The Achilles scare I had earlier this week was a good warning about overtraining. Will continue to try to limit my weekly mileage increase to no more than 10 percent from the preceding week.It took me 15 years to get this fat and slow. Just need to remember to take my time to overcome that.
 
pigskinliquors said:
The_Man said:
Set out to do 3 miles this morning at (for me) was a quick pace, though it was very hot and humid. Tried to do the first mile in 8:10 or so, but did it in 8:20. Did the second mile in about 8:45. Thus, I was amazed to get back home and find that I had run the last mile in 6:30 without really straining.After feeling really great about myself for 20 minutes, it dawned on me that I had run my regular 2.75-mile course, without doing the quarter-mile offshoot that I added to my route last week as I began to up my mileage. In reality, that 6:30 last mile was just three-fourths of a mile run at an 8:40 pace.Oh well. Just got to keep plugging away. I'm getting better at running longer distances at a slow pace (6 miles at 9:30 pace last Sunday) but still have no speed whatsoever.
Speed will come as you up your distances. You most likely shouldn't work on both at the same time. Right now you should be getting in base miles = putting in miles to build up endurance. Once your runs start feeling comfortable (easily could talk to somebody during there entirety), it's a great time to add one speed day per week (i.e., intervals). That's when you'll start seeing gains in speed.
Thanks. Will just keep plodding away for now. I've only been running seriously for about a month, and I have to keep resisting the temptation to do too much, too fast. The Achilles scare I had earlier this week was a good warning about overtraining. Will continue to try to limit my weekly mileage increase to no more than 10 percent from the preceding week.It took me 15 years to get this fat and slow. Just need to remember to take my time to overcome that.
Sorry if I missed this in an earlier post, but are you following any sort of running program as you ramp up?
 
Sorry if I missed this in an earlier post, but are you following any sort of running program as you ramp up?
I wasn't until this week, when I realized I needed to have some kind of plan. So I just started doing a Higdon plan for an intermediate preparing for a 10K. 5K is too short for me and marathon is too long, so the 10K seemed right. And I could do pretty much everything on his plan for a beginner, so I went intermediate. But if you have any advice/suggestions on alternate sources of training programs, I would really appreciate your insight. Thanks!
 
Sorry if I missed this in an earlier post, but are you following any sort of running program as you ramp up?
I wasn't until this week, when I realized I needed to have some kind of plan. So I just started doing a Higdon plan for an intermediate preparing for a 10K. 5K is too short for me and marathon is too long, so the 10K seemed right. And I could do pretty much everything on his plan for a beginner, so I went intermediate. But if you have any advice/suggestions on alternate sources of training programs, I would really appreciate your insight. Thanks!
You can't go wrong with Hal - he's a running legend. I followed his plans for several years and had the honor of meeting him twice. I don't use his plans anymore because I just can't get out 4 or 5 times a week to run. I found something called FIRST that I like a lot, but it's geared towards someone who has been running for a while - I looked at their 10k program and it's definitely a lot of miles out of the chute.

 
2Young2BSoTough - well done, man, well done.
:thumbup: I no longer think I ####ed out on the hills, I think I made a few wise decesions. Below is what one of the guys posted over on BeginnerTriathlete about his wipeout last night:"I was part of the carnage. Had a great 1/3 of a race: third out of the water, of the orange caps. this was told to me by my spotter (GF). only got a 1/4 mile on the bike reached down to tighten my shoes hit a hole that turned my wheel and with only one hand on the bars down i went slid about 20ft on my back. road rash on every single appendage. my back is the worst full lenght on both sides. hit my foot pretty hard, so its really swollen today. bike needs a tune-up nothing major thankfully. You may have seen me walking back, Yellow and black uniform. too pissed off to stay and cheer. hope you all did well. (third crash this summer 1. 16stiches in lower leg, 2. split helmet in half road rash on back, 3. discribed above.) Great Sport hahaha."
 
Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :lmao: :shrug:
Right with you, brother! One last 3 mile run tomorrow, going to the expo to pick up my bib (conveniently scheduled a meeting in The City for tomorrow morning), and then it's hydration and rest time. Getting everything planned out. Tomorrow night, it's salmon and quinoa (same thing I had tonight, actually), and then early Saturday night I'll have my traditional chicken and risotto with a glass of wine. Sunday morning, my wave starts at 6:06 AM, so planning on being parked (5 minutes away) by 5:20 or so, time to warm up, pee 4 times, etc. I'll be up at 4:00 AM for my coffee and bowl of Corn Bran cereal with milk, my normal pre-long run meal, out the door by 4:50. There are 12 water stations, with 1.25 to 2.5 miles between each one. High temp is predicted to be 69 for the day, so should be pretty much 50s into the low 60s during the race, so I'm thinking I probably won't carry my water bottle. Still considering that one, though, since I'm used to carrying it. Electrolyte drink at the water stations is Cytomax, which is what I train with so I'm good there. I'll carry 4 gels (two Power Bar gels and two GU Roctanes) and take one going into the mile 5, 11, 16, and 21 water stations - saving a 2x caffeine one for that last station! I'll also carry 5 Endurolyte tabs with me, plan on just taking 3 of them (approx one/hour) unless it's hotter than expected (I'm a very salty sweater).Key is I did all that stuff during my 20 and 22 milers, and it worked well - nothing new on race day!Hope I get some sleep the next two nights......
 
Had a nice, easy 11-miler last night on an old rail trail. Averaged a relaxed 8:37 for the first six miles, then picked it up for the last five miles, averaging 8:13. Last three miles were progressively faster at 8:09, 8:06, and 7:56.

Seven miles later today with strides. 18 tomorrow. Time for bed. :hophead:

 
Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :boxing: :goodposting:
Right with you, brother! One last 3 mile run tomorrow, going to the expo to pick up my bib (conveniently scheduled a meeting in The City for tomorrow morning), and then it's hydration and rest time. Getting everything planned out. Tomorrow night, it's salmon and quinoa (same thing I had tonight, actually), and then early Saturday night I'll have my traditional chicken and risotto with a glass of wine. Sunday morning, my wave starts at 6:06 AM, so planning on being parked (5 minutes away) by 5:20 or so, time to warm up, pee 4 times, etc. I'll be up at 4:00 AM for my coffee and bowl of Corn Bran cereal with milk, my normal pre-long run meal, out the door by 4:50. There are 12 water stations, with 1.25 to 2.5 miles between each one. High temp is predicted to be 69 for the day, so should be pretty much 50s into the low 60s during the race, so I'm thinking I probably won't carry my water bottle. Still considering that one, though, since I'm used to carrying it. Electrolyte drink at the water stations is Cytomax, which is what I train with so I'm good there. I'll carry 4 gels (two Power Bar gels and two GU Roctanes) and take one going into the mile 5, 11, 16, and 21 water stations - saving a 2x caffeine one for that last station! I'll also carry 5 Endurolyte tabs with me, plan on just taking 3 of them (approx one/hour) unless it's hotter than expected (I'm a very salty sweater).

Key is I did all that stuff during my 20 and 22 milers, and it worked well - nothing new on race day!

Hope I get some sleep the next two nights......
AWESOMENESS. THIS is a textbook plan for success! As for the sleep, some real good advice I got here was to take a nap the day before. I don't think I'll ever shake race night jitters (and the loss of sleep that come with them), but I can nap like the dead around 2pm the day before for some reason. Best of luck, post a bib number here if there is some kind of race tracker if we can check in and enjoy every moment.
 
Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :nerd: :lmao:
Right with you, brother! One last 3 mile run tomorrow, going to the expo to pick up my bib (conveniently scheduled a meeting in The City for tomorrow morning), and then it's hydration and rest time. Getting everything planned out. Tomorrow night, it's salmon and quinoa (same thing I had tonight, actually), and then early Saturday night I'll have my traditional chicken and risotto with a glass of wine. Sunday morning, my wave starts at 6:06 AM, so planning on being parked (5 minutes away) by 5:20 or so, time to warm up, pee 4 times, etc. I'll be up at 4:00 AM for my coffee and bowl of Corn Bran cereal with milk, my normal pre-long run meal, out the door by 4:50. There are 12 water stations, with 1.25 to 2.5 miles between each one. High temp is predicted to be 69 for the day, so should be pretty much 50s into the low 60s during the race, so I'm thinking I probably won't carry my water bottle. Still considering that one, though, since I'm used to carrying it. Electrolyte drink at the water stations is Cytomax, which is what I train with so I'm good there. I'll carry 4 gels (two Power Bar gels and two GU Roctanes) and take one going into the mile 5, 11, 16, and 21 water stations - saving a 2x caffeine one for that last station! I'll also carry 5 Endurolyte tabs with me, plan on just taking 3 of them (approx one/hour) unless it's hotter than expected (I'm a very salty sweater).

Key is I did all that stuff during my 20 and 22 milers, and it worked well - nothing new on race day!

Hope I get some sleep the next two nights......
AWESOMENESS. THIS is a textbook plan for success! As for the sleep, some real good advice I got here was to take a nap the day before. I don't think I'll ever shake race night jitters (and the loss of sleep that come with them), but I can nap like the dead around 2pm the day before for some reason. Best of luck, post a bib number here if there is some kind of race tracker if we can check in and enjoy every moment.
I knew you'd appreciate the planning!Of course I've already screwed up as I woke up at 4:00 AM this morning and couldn't go back to sleep, hope I don't repeat that tonight as I imagine my sleep Saturday night won't be the best. I'm not much of a napper, but maybe I can squeeze one in on Saturday afternoon.

 
gruecd said:
Good luck, Duck!

I was gonna sign up for the text alerts, but they charge for them. WTF is that about?! :lmao:
I know, ridiculous, isn't it? So y'all will have to wait for my Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn/FBG updates to start pouring in on Sunday.
 
gruecd said:
Good luck, Duck!

I was gonna sign up for the text alerts, but they charge for them. WTF is that about?! :lmao:
I know, ridiculous, isn't it? So y'all will have to wait for my Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn/FBG updates to start pouring in on Sunday.
Maybe that'll be enough motivation for the rest of the clowns around here (excluding you, PSL/Keggers) to get FB accounts!
 
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Very poor training run today.

To put this in context, I'm training for the Red Wing half-marathon next saturday. Over the past few months, I've done several 12-13 milers, and the last three weeks have featured 14, 15 and 16 mile runs repsectively. All of these were great. I had no problem competing these at a pace of ~8:50. I'm aiming for an 8:20 race pace, and I've put in some shorter runs at this pace, including a 6-miler this past Sunday.

So today I go to do my last "long" run before the race, which is only going to be 10 miles. Rather than do another over-distance run, I wanted to do an up-tempo shorter long run. My plan was to do the first 7.5 miles at 8:40 and do the last 2.5 at goal pace. I'm doing this run on a high school track because I don't want to be cooped up indoors, but I want to be able to listen to music without worrying about traffic. I also want to do my long runs on a soft, forgiving surface for injury-prevention issues. I've done at least one shorter run per week on asphalt/concrete for HTFU purposes, but I like to minimize injury risks on my long runs.

I get to the track at about 8:30. Already it's 75 and the sun is beating down from a cloudless sky (bonus points if you can guess where this story is going). It's also fairly humid. One of the older guys I've seen on this track before talks to me a little while I'm warming up and basically comments that it's too hot to run. He has a point, but this distance is my bread-and-butter. I would guess I do at least 10 miles once a week from February through October, dropping down to 8 miles in my off-season, so this is a totally routine distance for me. And I did 16 last week. Ten miles will fly by.

So I get started, and I notice that I am drenched with sweat about a mile into my run. No big deal. I knew it was hot and I have plenty of water. I'm planning to stop for fluids every 2.5 miles.

The first water break got there before I knew it. I took a drink and got going again. At mile 5, I was having no problem at all maintaining 8:40 and I was feeling great. I remember thinking to myself "I can't believe I'm halfway done; I barely feel like I've gotten started." Well, by mile 6 or so, I wasn't feeling so great anymore. I was really, really hot and starting to feel ill. As I approached the 7.5-mile water stop, I momentarily considered skipping that stop because I was having no real problems maintaining pace, but I worried that if I stopped momentarily to drink, I wouldn't be able to get going again. However, I'm smart enough to know that if you're encountering heat-related problems, skipping your water breaks is a magnificently bad solution. So I stopped for water and sure enough as soon as I quit running I immediately thought I was going to puke for sure. I couldn't even drink anything because I was positive it would just be coming right back up. After a minute or two my nausea passed and I was able to drink, but I made the decision that I was done for the day at that point. This is the first time I can recall having to cut a run short in years.

Obviously this kind of sucks, but there are multiple silver linings here. First of all, if I was going to bonk any training run, this would be the run to bonk. My endurance and speed are both pretty much whatever they're going to be next Saturday. I probably could have skipped this run altogether and it wouldn't have made much difference. Bonking this run also isn't that confidence-draining, because I know this was due to the onset of heat exhaustion. This run ended up being 7.5 miles at 8:36, which is about the pace that I did my previous easy half-marathon at back in May on very little training, so it's not like I was pushing any physical limits here and came up short. Finally, I anticipate doing marathon training this time next year, and this run is a good lesson for me that I need to respect the heat. This is the second time I've had problems with heat, the other time being my 15-miler which I finished but could not have gone another mile safely. When I'm doing long runs next summer, I need to be sure to stay slow and get out there at daybreak instead of sleeping in. Lesson learned.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also learned that I may have to abandon my 8:20 goal pace next week depending on weather conditions since I now know I'm not capable of doing this if it's going to be hot. The bad news is that the race doesn't start until 8:00, but my FIL who lives in Red Wing says that the course is mostly shaded (its an out-and-back on a bike trail). We'll see how it goes.

 
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Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :boxing: :lmao:
Awesome! Keep up the good work. Occasionally I alter my schedule to add an extra rest day just to prove to myself that my body can handle it.
 
Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :boxing: :lmao:
Right with you, brother! One last 3 mile run tomorrow, going to the expo to pick up my bib (conveniently scheduled a meeting in The City for tomorrow morning), and then it's hydration and rest time. Getting everything planned out. Tomorrow night, it's salmon and quinoa (same thing I had tonight, actually), and then early Saturday night I'll have my traditional chicken and risotto with a glass of wine. Sunday morning, my wave starts at 6:06 AM, so planning on being parked (5 minutes away) by 5:20 or so, time to warm up, pee 4 times, etc. I'll be up at 4:00 AM for my coffee and bowl of Corn Bran cereal with milk, my normal pre-long run meal, out the door by 4:50. There are 12 water stations, with 1.25 to 2.5 miles between each one. High temp is predicted to be 69 for the day, so should be pretty much 50s into the low 60s during the race, so I'm thinking I probably won't carry my water bottle. Still considering that one, though, since I'm used to carrying it. Electrolyte drink at the water stations is Cytomax, which is what I train with so I'm good there. I'll carry 4 gels (two Power Bar gels and two GU Roctanes) and take one going into the mile 5, 11, 16, and 21 water stations - saving a 2x caffeine one for that last station! I'll also carry 5 Endurolyte tabs with me, plan on just taking 3 of them (approx one/hour) unless it's hotter than expected (I'm a very salty sweater).Key is I did all that stuff during my 20 and 22 milers, and it worked well - nothing new on race day!Hope I get some sleep the next two nights......
Good luck. I'm a "planner" too, so I like all the details that you've got mapped out. My wife is the kind of person who starts thinking about this stuff the night before the race.
 
Don't sweat it, Ivan. You'll do great. :lmao:

I ran my 7-miler too fast again tonight, falling squarely in no-man's land. Averaged 7:35 -- not fast enough to help my speed, and no better than running 8's for working on my endurance, but with more stress on my body. Junk miles. I've gotta learn to slow down on these.

18 miles tomorrow morning with the running club. Just realized that next week I'll crack 1,000 miles for the year. Have a great night, everybody!!!!

 
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At the beach again. Noting like vacation to really be able to put some work in. In two days I've managed 2 miles of swimming, a nice 5k run, and a 15.5 mile bike. Swims have been very choppy - only managing to put in a pace of 1:45 or so. Still, it was good, quality work and I was happy with the efforts.

The run was disappointing - hoping to break 8:00 per mile, but ended up trailing off at the end. Quite bummed about the bike ride, too. My legs were a bit tired from the run yesterday(sad, but true), but should have been able to do better than the 21.3mph I did. I was really hoping for the 22-23 range. Ah, well, maybe too much to expect after only starting ridig 7 months ago.

But, hey, it is still vacation! I may well just go out tomorrow and do an IM 2+ mile swim, just for the hell of it. Then just sleep until work starts on Monday. :confused:

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :boxing: :thumbup:
Right with you, brother! One last 3 mile run tomorrow, going to the expo to pick up my bib (conveniently scheduled a meeting in The City for tomorrow morning), and then it's hydration and rest time. Getting everything planned out. Tomorrow night, it's salmon and quinoa (same thing I had tonight, actually), and then early Saturday night I'll have my traditional chicken and risotto with a glass of wine. Sunday morning, my wave starts at 6:06 AM, so planning on being parked (5 minutes away) by 5:20 or so, time to warm up, pee 4 times, etc. I'll be up at 4:00 AM for my coffee and bowl of Corn Bran cereal with milk, my normal pre-long run meal, out the door by 4:50. There are 12 water stations, with 1.25 to 2.5 miles between each one. High temp is predicted to be 69 for the day, so should be pretty much 50s into the low 60s during the race, so I'm thinking I probably won't carry my water bottle. Still considering that one, though, since I'm used to carrying it. Electrolyte drink at the water stations is Cytomax, which is what I train with so I'm good there. I'll carry 4 gels (two Power Bar gels and two GU Roctanes) and take one going into the mile 5, 11, 16, and 21 water stations - saving a 2x caffeine one for that last station! I'll also carry 5 Endurolyte tabs with me, plan on just taking 3 of them (approx one/hour) unless it's hotter than expected (I'm a very salty sweater).Key is I did all that stuff during my 20 and 22 milers, and it worked well - nothing new on race day!Hope I get some sleep the next two nights......
Good luck. I'm a "planner" too, so I like all the details that you've got mapped out. My wife is the kind of person who starts thinking about this stuff the night before the race.
Thanks everyone, I'm really excited! Going to the race expo adds to that even more, walking around with other running folks, browsing running gear, trying samples, etc. Just a lot of cool energy. While I'm a trail runner at heart, and love the vibe and people involved with those smaller events, there is something cool about these bigger road races as well - this one has about 20,000 total for the full, two half marathons, etc. Of course I had trouble sleeping last night, well more accurately couldn't go back to sleep after waking up at 4:00 AM. So at 6:00, I headed out for my 3 miles, which was nice to get out of the way as my day got real busy later.Weather.com shows 56 degrees at 6:00 AM and 60 degrees at 10:00, so should be perfect weather for a marathon, and I'm leaning towards not carrying water. In fact I'll need to have something to keep me a little warm at race start, I think I'll bring an old long sleeve shirt that I won't mind tossing in a garbage can at race start or even a mile into it.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
Last night I just KILLED my rest day! I mean absolutely nailed it. Probably one of my best days since I started. This definitely gives me momentum and confidence as I tackle the last half of my training program. :boxing: :thumbup:
Right with you, brother! One last 3 mile run tomorrow, going to the expo to pick up my bib (conveniently scheduled a meeting in The City for tomorrow morning), and then it's hydration and rest time. Getting everything planned out. Tomorrow night, it's salmon and quinoa (same thing I had tonight, actually), and then early Saturday night I'll have my traditional chicken and risotto with a glass of wine. Sunday morning, my wave starts at 6:06 AM, so planning on being parked (5 minutes away) by 5:20 or so, time to warm up, pee 4 times, etc. I'll be up at 4:00 AM for my coffee and bowl of Corn Bran cereal with milk, my normal pre-long run meal, out the door by 4:50. There are 12 water stations, with 1.25 to 2.5 miles between each one. High temp is predicted to be 69 for the day, so should be pretty much 50s into the low 60s during the race, so I'm thinking I probably won't carry my water bottle. Still considering that one, though, since I'm used to carrying it. Electrolyte drink at the water stations is Cytomax, which is what I train with so I'm good there. I'll carry 4 gels (two Power Bar gels and two GU Roctanes) and take one going into the mile 5, 11, 16, and 21 water stations - saving a 2x caffeine one for that last station! I'll also carry 5 Endurolyte tabs with me, plan on just taking 3 of them (approx one/hour) unless it's hotter than expected (I'm a very salty sweater).Key is I did all that stuff during my 20 and 22 milers, and it worked well - nothing new on race day!Hope I get some sleep the next two nights......
Good luck. I'm a "planner" too, so I like all the details that you've got mapped out. My wife is the kind of person who starts thinking about this stuff the night before the race.
Thanks everyone, I'm really excited! Going to the race expo adds to that even more, walking around with other running folks, browsing running gear, trying samples, etc. Just a lot of cool energy. While I'm a trail runner at heart, and love the vibe and people involved with those smaller events, there is something cool about these bigger road races as well - this one has about 20,000 total for the full, two half marathons, etc. Of course I had trouble sleeping last night, well more accurately couldn't go back to sleep after waking up at 4:00 AM. So at 6:00, I headed out for my 3 miles, which was nice to get out of the way as my day got real busy later.Weather.com shows 56 degrees at 6:00 AM and 60 degrees at 10:00, so should be perfect weather for a marathon, and I'm leaning towards not carrying water. In fact I'll need to have something to keep me a little warm at race start, I think I'll bring an old long sleeve shirt that I won't mind tossing in a garbage can at race start or even a mile into it.
I think I am just as excited as you now and I am not in the race. Have a great run. :boxing:
 
IvanKaramazov said:
Very poor training run today.

To put this in context, I'm training for the Red Wing half-marathon next saturday. Over the past few months, I've done several 12-13 milers, and the last three weeks have featured 14, 15 and 16 mile runs repsectively. All of these were great. I had no problem competing these at a pace of ~8:50. I'm aiming for an 8:20 race pace, and I've put in some shorter runs at this pace, including a 6-miler this past Sunday.

So today I go to do my last "long" run before the race, which is only going to be 10 miles. Rather than do another over-distance run, I wanted to do an up-tempo shorter long run. My plan was to do the first 7.5 miles at 8:40 and do the last 2.5 at goal pace. I'm doing this run on a high school track because I don't want to be cooped up indoors, but I want to be able to listen to music without worrying about traffic. I also want to do my long runs on a soft, forgiving surface for injury-prevention issues. I've done at least one shorter run per week on asphalt/concrete for HTFU purposes, but I like to minimize injury risks on my long runs.

I get to the track at about 8:30. Already it's 75 and the sun is beating down from a cloudless sky (bonus points if you can guess where this story is going). It's also fairly humid. One of the older guys I've seen on this track before talks to me a little while I'm warming up and basically comments that it's too hot to run. He has a point, but this distance is my bread-and-butter. I would guess I do at least 10 miles once a week from February through October, dropping down to 8 miles in my off-season, so this is a totally routine distance for me. And I did 16 last week. Ten miles will fly by.

So I get started, and I notice that I am drenched with sweat about a mile into my run. No big deal. I knew it was hot and I have plenty of water. I'm planning to stop for fluids every 2.5 miles.

The first water break got there before I knew it. I took a drink and got going again. At mile 5, I was having no problem at all maintaining 8:40 and I was feeling great. I remember thinking to myself "I can't believe I'm halfway done; I barely feel like I've gotten started." Well, by mile 6 or so, I wasn't feeling so great anymore. I was really, really hot and starting to feel ill. As I approached the 7.5-mile water stop, I momentarily considered skipping that stop because I was having no real problems maintaining pace, but I worried that if I stopped momentarily to drink, I wouldn't be able to get going again. However, I'm smart enough to know that if you're encountering heat-related problems, skipping your water breaks is a magnificently bad solution. So I stopped for water and sure enough as soon as I quit running I immediately thought I was going to puke for sure. I couldn't even drink anything because I was positive it would just be coming right back up. After a minute or two my nausea passed and I was able to drink, but I made the decision that I was done for the day at that point. This is the first time I can recall having to cut a run short in years.

Obviously this kind of sucks, but there are multiple silver linings here. First of all, if I was going to bonk any training run, this would be the run to bonk. My endurance and speed are both pretty much whatever they're going to be next Saturday. I probably could have skipped this run altogether and it wouldn't have made much difference. Bonking this run also isn't that confidence-draining, because I know this was due to the onset of heat exhaustion. This run ended up being 7.5 miles at 8:36, which is about the pace that I did my previous easy half-marathon at back in May on very little training, so it's not like I was pushing any physical limits here and came up short. Finally, I anticipate doing marathon training this time next year, and this run is a good lesson for me that I need to respect the heat. This is the second time I've had problems with heat, the other time being my 15-miler which I finished but could not have gone another mile safely. When I'm doing long runs next summer, I need to be sure to stay slow and get out there at daybreak instead of sleeping in. Lesson learned.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also learned that I may have to abandon my 8:20 goal pace next week depending on weather conditions since I now know I'm not capable of doing this if it's going to be hot. The bad news is that the race doesn't start until 8:00, but my FIL who lives in Red Wing says that the course is mostly shaded (its an out-and-back on a bike trail). We'll see how it goes.
How about the Badwater 135 mile Ultramarathon for some heat issues?!?!The Badwater began Monday, 282 feet below sea level at Death Valley in California with surface temperatures of 200 degrees. Runners finished Tuesday at 8,360 feet on Mount Whitney.

I'm all about pushing my body and mind to extremes....but Badwater has always seemed a little over the top!

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Edit: Oh yeah, I also learned that I may have to abandon my 8:20 goal pace next week depending on weather conditions since I now know I'm not capable of doing this if it's going to be hot. The bad news is that the race doesn't start until 8:00, but my FIL who lives in Red Wing says that the course is mostly shaded (its an out-and-back on a bike trail). We'll see how it goes.
Not so fast. Abandoning the 8:20 plan should be the last thing on your mind right now, IMO. Enhancing the plan should. You know, from prior events (I'm sure) that the body act and reacts different to a race than it does to training. You'll have lots of chances during the race to check in with yourself (at least 13) to determine if you can stay on plan. Run races within the race at an 8:20 pace, a 5K, 10K, 10-Miler. At each checkpoint of sorts, decide if the next segment can be done at goal pace. If you feel you need to back it down, do, but I wouldn't go in at the start thinking you'll need to start slower after training so hard to get there. I wouldn't go in with the thought that you could back off pace early in the race and maybe kick at the end either. It just hasn't worked for me.
 
Hey, guys. Had a great 18-mile run this morning. Averaged exactly 8-minute pace, but with a nice negative split--averaged 8:05 on the "front nine" and 7:54 on the back. Last mile in 7:39. Got home and took an ice bath, which was heavenly. Legs feel 100% better.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Edit: Oh yeah, I also learned that I may have to abandon my 8:20 goal pace next week depending on weather conditions since I now know I'm not capable of doing this if it's going to be hot. The bad news is that the race doesn't start until 8:00, but my FIL who lives in Red Wing says that the course is mostly shaded (its an out-and-back on a bike trail). We'll see how it goes.
Not so fast. Abandoning the 8:20 plan should be the last thing on your mind right now, IMO. Enhancing the plan should. You know, from prior events (I'm sure) that the body act and reacts different to a race than it does to training. You'll have lots of chances during the race to check in with yourself (at least 13) to determine if you can stay on plan. Run races within the race at an 8:20 pace, a 5K, 10K, 10-Miler. At each checkpoint of sorts, decide if the next segment can be done at goal pace. If you feel you need to back it down, do, but I wouldn't go in at the start thinking you'll need to start slower after training so hard to get there.
This is exactly what I'm planning on doing. What I really meant was that I might just have to accept fading toward the end if the weather doesn't cooperate. I'm still shooting for my original goal.
 
IK - smart to back off in the heat. How was your fluid intake during the 24 hours before this training run? For your race, you can/will be more deliberate about taking in fluids during that time period.

Sand - man, how long (short) ago was it that you were back in the pool and struggling to do any sort of distance (former sprinter that you are)?!? Now you're just popping out those long swims!

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I did a good 40 minute pool workout yesterday. Today was 8 miles of running, featuring 6 x 1 mile repeats with one minute rests. Pacing was great - from 6:58 down to 6:46/mile on the last one.

I really noticed how the faster pacing was due to a solid lift in the upper leg (strong through the hips and a firm lift of the knee) ...as opposed to throwing the lead foot out there, which would only serve to 'brake' each step.

 
I RAN today (its been a while since I posted this) and did 8.5 miles. Set out to do something between 6 & 10. After getting last minute Tiger/Sox tickets last night and choking down a nacho at midnight I wasn't exactly primed for a longer run (the shots & beers didn't help either). It is HOT and sticky here. I ran the first 4 miles SUB 8s. I didn't want to run this fast, but had troubles slowing my pace. At about the third mile I was starving and thirsty. I altered my plan, stopped at my folks house and had some cheese & pickles and a 20 oz water (I may be pregnant as I craved the cheese & pickles) at the 4th mile. Ran three more miles around 8:30s and found myself at the high school track where is did a mile of speed type work, doing a 1/4 mile on, 1/4 mile off. Ran both of the 1/4s sub 7 and then slowly did the last 1/2 mile home. Having not run a thing over 5 miles since early May, this felt OK. Not sure what it means for RNR next weekend, but I'd like to keep my time in the 1:53 ballpark.

Splits are in from Wednesday Night's TRI. I averaged 2:01 per 100 meters for the 1/2 mile swim, 20.46 MPH on the 20K bike and 7:23 MM for the 5K (22:59 and I think this is my fastest timed 5K ever), but could only muster 19th place out of 49 guys in my AG. I gave it all away on the bike.

Tomorrow the kids are doing another kids tri, CAN'T WAIT!

 
Sand - man, how long (short) ago was it that you were back in the pool and struggling to do any sort of distance (former sprinter that you are)?!? Now you're just popping out those long swims!
Pretty much beginning of May - so 10 weeks back into the swimming. Went out this morning (very calm water) and with pretty tired arms pumped out 1250 yards in 20:20. A very reasonable 1:37/100. I continued on to get a full 2k in and at about 1500 I wrangled with one large, mean (like 18 inch long) jellyfish. I lost. Hurt like a mother and I, being a complete wuss, called it and swam in to get some treatment. Damn thing wrapped around my arm - took a bit for the pain to subside. Really wanted to do the 4k IM swim. Maybe do another mile later today.Anyway, I was quite happy with the swim and know that with fresh arms it would have been significantly quicker.Last chance to do anything is tomorrow morning and I hope to get another bike in. Really hoping to get into the 22mph range. Don't know if my legs are fresh enough, though - every run I do pretty much toasts them (and I ran again today).
Splits are in from Wednesday Night's TRI. I averaged 2:01 per 100 meters for the 1/2 mile swim, 20.46 MPH on the 20K bike and 7:23 MM for the 5K (22:59 and I think this is my fastest timed 5K ever), but could only muster 19th place out of 49 guys in my AG. I gave it all away on the bike.
Superb, man! Particularly on the run. What was the overall time? Was that bike course hilly or flat?
 
Splits are in from Wednesday Night's TRI. I averaged 2:01 per 100 meters for the 1/2 mile swim, 20.46 MPH on the 20K bike and 7:23 MM for the 5K (22:59 and I think this is my fastest timed 5K ever), but could only muster 19th place out of 49 guys in my AG. I gave it all away on the bike.
Superb, man! Particularly on the run. What was the overall time? Was that bike course hilly or flat?
Overall time was 1:18 and change. I got hosed with a horrible transition draw that cost me about minute and a half. The bike course was twisting and hilly and it poured down rain for all 3 legs. The AG top 5 all rode 24 MPH+. If I can get up to about 22 MPH and cut about 2 minutes off my 1/2 mile swim I should be right there each race. I have one or two more tris this year and then I'd am going to focus this winter on faster swimming and building bike strength.
 
At about the third mile I was starving and thirsty. I altered my plan, stopped at my folks house and had some cheese & pickles
I don't know what to say here.
That's what Martian runners like to eat. :shrug:Oh, and Sand and the jellyfish? :shiver:
Funny thing. Went back out today (because I am a glutton for punishment on top of being a wuss) and did another 2400 yards or so to get pretty close to IM distance. About 200 yards to go and I hit another one of those damn things. Luckily this time I hit it with the palm of my hand and somehow backed off before I got stung. Backpedaled so fast I managed to cramp up my foot. You've never seen reverse thrusters that quick in the water :goodposting: . This afternoon's long swim took ~50 minutes (i.e. forever). Waves were very choppy and closely spaced - washing machine. Brutal conditions for a swim, particularly since I was swimming lengthwise with them. Loved every minute.On a cool note the water was crystal clear and I saw several stingray in the water. Some pretty big. Very neat experience seeing those things cruising along the bottom.So, swam two miles today on top of a hot, midday 5k run. I'm gonna sleep well tonight.
 
Watching this Ironman triathalon in hawaii. Has me :jawdrop: :cry: Just incredible what people can do.
:popcorn: I only caught the tail end of it and I got more than misty seeing the facial expressions of the "normal" (yeah, right!!) finishers. The guy who had to stop training a few years ago to take care of his father (Lou Gehrigs) who now passed away? When he was hugging his kids at the finish I pretty much lost it. So incredibly powerful. I'm hoping to catch the whole thing at some point. Maybe I should have watched BEFORE I ran this morning... did a brutal 10 miler. I didn't get much sleep and my legs are pretty sore from the (stupid) lunges I did on Thursday so I knew it would be uphill (ptts). Then I decided to run the 5 mile trail that Tri & I ran (2.5 miles to get there). Ended up walking a couple of times on the back 1/2 and finished soaked to the bone w/sweat. That trail gets awfully humid and the trees seem to block the wind. Of course, no jellyfish so I had that going for me. (sidenote: I need to get some shorter running shorts. the ones I've got are knee length and when they get wet, they are teh suck) After I watched the Ironman, I went back out and rode the bike for an hour. Only about 16 miles. I really need to find some routes that don't invlove constant braking for sharp turns and traffic. Overall a good week though - 6, 6, and 10 running, 800yds and 1200yds swimming, and 16 miles biking. I'll take it.
 
Watching this Ironman triathalon in hawaii. Has me :jawdrop: :cry: Just incredible what people can do.
:popcorn: I only caught the tail end of it and I got more than misty seeing the facial expressions of the "normal" (yeah, right!!) finishers. The guy who had to stop training a few years ago to take care of his father (Lou Gehrigs) who now passed away? When he was hugging his kids at the finish I pretty much lost it. So incredibly powerful. I'm hoping to catch the whole thing at some point.
That was from last year, so I've watched it before...and I was still fighting back tears in the last 15-20 minutes. I made my 5 year old daughter watch it with me, and was asking her what she thought. "Daddy, I bet they're really proud of theirselves" and "Daddy, I bet the people watching are really proud of them" didn't help with holding back the waterworks. I just said, "I want you to feel that way about your Daddy tomorrow."
 
Watching this Ironman triathalon in hawaii. Has me :jawdrop: :cry: Just incredible what people can do.
:confused: I only caught the tail end of it and I got more than misty seeing the facial expressions of the "normal" (yeah, right!!) finishers. The guy who had to stop training a few years ago to take care of his father (Lou Gehrigs) who now passed away? When he was hugging his kids at the finish I pretty much lost it. So incredibly powerful. I'm hoping to catch the whole thing at some point.
That was from last year, so I've watched it before...and I was still fighting back tears in the last 15-20 minutes. I made my 5 year old daughter watch it with me, and was asking her what she thought. "Daddy, I bet they're really proud of theirselves" and "Daddy, I bet the people watching are really proud of them" didn't help with holding back the waterworks. I just said, "I want you to feel that way about your Daddy tomorrow."
Oh, she sure will.
 
Early forecast for next Sunday in Chicago = high of 79°, low of 63°. Sounds like we'll be running in the 60's. Not TOO bad for August, I guess. :sarcasm:

 
Been fighting my way out of the summer doldrums. Crappy TT two weeks ago. Haven't been on the bike until today for 10 days and have been focusing on swimming and running. After 3 pools swims I did my first open water swin on Friday. Survived a 1/2 mile, but still using 75% breast stroke, 25% crawl.

Brick this morning killed me. 5K in 27 min, 17 mi bike @ 20.3 mph, 5k in 34.5 min. Pretty happy with the first run, kept my heart rate high but didn't feel under pressure. I road most of the bike at 160+ bpm and went into the 170 red zone on several of the hills. Hard to tell about the overall pace as I had to navigate my way through town from my house to get to the open roads. Obviously went too hard on the bike as my second run was 7.5 min longer. The legs were toast and some cramping started.

10 days out - 10 mi TT

20 days out - 5K / 40k du

27 days out - sprint tri

31 days out - 10 mi TT followed by a 10 mi team TT

 
Early forecast for next Sunday in Chicago = high of 79°, low of 63°. Sounds like we'll be running in the 60's. Not TOO bad for August, I guess. :o
We're starting early (6:30ish for the first wave), so while the sun comes up over Lake Michigan, it won't be a problem at all until 9-10 a.m. and beyond. 2Young's wife, in a later corral, might feel the heat and get pretty sweaty. :wettshirt:---Solid brick workout early today. 2 hours biking (alternating 1 1/2 miles hard/1 mile moderate) then a 4 mile run at about a 7:40/mile pace. Now back at work wrapping up a 70 hour week (auditors start tomorrow).eta: Nice work; nice schedule, BnB! LOTS of great cross-training goin' on around here!
 
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Watching this Ironman triathalon in hawaii. Has me :jawdrop: :cry: Just incredible what people can do.
:thumbup: I only caught the tail end of it and I got more than misty seeing the facial expressions of the "normal" (yeah, right!!) finishers. The guy who had to stop training a few years ago to take care of his father (Lou Gehrigs) who now passed away? When he was hugging his kids at the finish I pretty much lost it. So incredibly powerful. I'm hoping to catch the whole thing at some point.
That was from last year, so I've watched it before...and I was still fighting back tears in the last 15-20 minutes. I made my 5 year old daughter watch it with me, and was asking her what she thought. "Daddy, I bet they're really proud of theirselves" and "Daddy, I bet the people watching are really proud of them" didn't help with holding back the waterworks. I just said, "I want you to feel that way about your Daddy tomorrow."
Dang, you got me misty again.
 

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