The_Man
Footballguy
Versus is back on 603. I think it was my threat to leave if I couldn't watch the Stanley Cup playoffs that won the day.
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wraith5
Footballguy
OK, so I took a look at them but what do you think, GB?
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Looking for some advice on headphones. When I run, I like to listen to music or podcasts. For the last year or so I've been using these headphones from Etymotic Research. I liked them a lot as they fit nice, blocked out a lot of ambient noise (also great for lawn mowing), were light, and had good sound. I originally got them on a deal for about $50 and they lasted me a total of 3 years (just under 1 with usage while running). It seems they wore out where the wires along the cabling meet the connector at the end where it would plug into the iPod. Now, depending on how the wires are laying I can get sometimes the left or right only to work, occasionally both, and sometimes none. The most annoying is while running and the bouncing causes it to switch from ear to ear. Drives me nuts. Anyway, I'd like to get another good pair for running and saw these available now for about $75, but that's more than I'd like to dish out. Any other suggestions?
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Tough to say. On price alone, I think either are a very good deal. I can't find a lot of information on the Volt (farmer john), but the Vortex has been reviewed well on Beginner Triathlete. The only comment I could find on the Volt was something like "you can't go wrong with an Xterra wetsuit at this price". I do not like the feel of a full wetsuit and would rather have the sleeveless like the Volt. If you look on eBay, you are going to find most wetsuits that originally sold in the $300 to $400 range new, go for around $100 used. Personally, I think I lucked out with the 2 suits I've eBayed, but also think some of that has to do with my less than average size. At your height, you may not get as lucky as you are probably close to average size for a triathlon wetsuit. Lastly, I think you should have one no matter what for your 1st tri. The first time I tried one on and floated on my back with out sinking was when I knew it all was possible. Plus, you are likely going to sign up for one in late May or early June anyway, so you are going to need one.
BTW, I am looking at possibly doing a Sprint over on the west side of Michigan in August called The Shermanator on August 7th. Not know how many events you may have in your area, this would probably be about a 2 1/2 trip for you and you could tie it in to a trip to Michigan Adventure with the family. I have to pick my daughter up at camp up that way the next day, so, any excuse too race is good for me!
probably more part engineering geek...By flats I mean 0 to -1.5% grade with no wind or wind helping. You know the kind of place that looks flat and that you're really moving. As you say, it's fun to ride fast and you can I get caught up in wanting to blow by people who smoked you me on the first run or swim. On a true flat I can hold 28.5 for a while, but not quite 5 minutes. The point of my post was to demonstrate why it's important not to get caught up hammering a flat or downhill only to burn a match you need to get across the next rise faster. Air resistance becomes a bigger factor the faster you are traveling. To put this in perspective, Gruecd can run 33% faster than me on a run and the best in the world would beat me by more than 50%. Lance Armstrong would have a tough time putting 25% into me on a flat time trial. Even though Gru rocks, a chunk of that is due to air resistance at speed.pigskinliquors said:Are we sure BnB isn't part cyborg?
All of this was to get you consider or experiment with riding at varying wattages in your upcoming hilly event. You don't need a power meter to accomplish this, you can use heart rate. Go out and ride 20 minutes as even and hard as possible on a flat route. Your average HR over the last 10 minutes should give you a close approximation of your lacate threshold. You'll want to ride your events below this number (the amount depends on the length of event). However it's OK to exceed this number on the hills as long as you don't stay above it for too long. Your already riding a smoking time on that course that most people including myself couldn't even begin to touch. You're probably close to approaching the point where smarts and aero will trump training gains.
I currently don't have a working power meter on my bike but i've ridden enough on the computrainer watching the watts and HR and messed with the calculator enough to know when I might be pushing too hard in the wrong place....although i still give into the temptation.
Just an fyi http://www.xterrawetsuits.com/catalog/cate...x-3-sleeveless/The vortex 3 sleeveless was selling for $99 in December and $130 with free shipping in January. They then came out with what looks to be an inferior Volt in late winter to sell at this price point. I don't know jack about wetsuits, but I'm leary about this type of marketing. I wonder if you could contact them about selling a vortex for the same price as the volt. As it stands now their full vortex is $100 less than their sleeveless version.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Swam my longest straight swim ever tonight, opening with 2,500 yards straight and finishing with another 500 after for 3,000 total and all under an hour. The plan was to swim the 1/2 iron distance first, which is about 86 lengths and my longest straight swim, but I decided I need a confidence booster, so I did 14 more for an even 100. Its probably fake mojo, but the new Ying FA swim shorts sure seem to make a difference.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I disagree. Without experience at getting out of a wetsuit, I'm not convinced the time saved swimming will offset the time lost in transition. It becomes one more thing to fret over ...I feel it'd be better to just swim the distance without one.And 2Y ...start focusing on the long bike. If you're swim length is exceeding the race distance, keep in mind that comparable bike training calls for some 3 hour+ rides. Trust me, you'll want to get the legs used to the bike distance! When you finish the bike, you've still got a 1/2-marathon of racing to go ...another 2 hours or more.
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2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
I'm with you on the bike and hyper aware that I need to attack this soon (more, better, etc). May will basically be bike month, with swim and run upkeep. I also plan on watching at least 2+ hours of The Wings game on Sunday on the bike trainer. I realized this week that the trail 1/2 wasn't such a good idea as it terms of the training plan, but as fun goes, it was a can't miss. I have a 30 mile ride and a 20 mile ride, 10K run brick under my belt, which is above "plan" so far and 2 Olys, 5/29 & another 2 weeks later so I think I am doing OK, but plan on multiple 50+ mile rides in May and something in the range of 60 in mid June. As for the wetsuit, it is less about time to me and more about confidence. For me, I started swimming in late June for a early September triathlon. Me being me, I bought a wetsuit on eBay before I really knew I could swim the distance. A few weeks later I got to try the suit in open water and realized if all went to hell, I could roll over to my back and float. On race day, I got ran over, swallowed a crap load of water and rolled to my back to catch my breath (and finished swimming). I also Goggled up getting out of a wetsuit and Pam sprayed me calves so I could get out of the suit (and practiced transition too). Fretting over drowning seems a bit worse than fretting over getting out of a wetsuit IMO.
wraith5
Footballguy
I really appreciate all of the input guys! According to the website the sleeveless Vortex looks to be one of their most popular models, which may explain why they didn't feel the need to discount it at all. I have no idea how I'll feel about sleeves or no sleeves, since I've only worn a wetsuit once in my life (for scuba diving, not swimming). At 6'1" 195lbs it looks like I fall squarely into their "L" category - no idea what the eBay selection might look like. Since I'm so far down the path of demonstating my ignorance, I may as well throw this biking question out there: My bike (a Motobecane Fantom Cross CycloCross) currently has tires rated up to 85psi. Can I put a higher pressure road tire on there, and if I do, will that make a big difference in performance/speed?
The reason it was one of their most popular models was because they always had it on sale for $99. Obviously they were still making a profit on it at that pricepoint. It just strikes me the wrong way that they would develop an inferior product to replace it and bump up the price on the Vortex. Seems like they are taking advantage of the enrty level market to squeeze out another couple of bucks at the entry level. Even though I despise their business model, i might have to jump on this deal unless e-bay comes thru.Tire pressure and size is a hotly debated topic. There is not a one size answer to your question. it depends on your wieght and the quality of the road surface that you will be riding. You want your tire contact point to be as wide and thin as possible. Over inflation can actually change the direction of the contact patch oval from perpendicular to oval. The most important factor is keeping the tire in contact with the ground in the back. Any time it bounces and you lose contact with the ground, you're losing the friction that is propeling you and you slow down. Lighter guys need less pressure to achieve this because their light #### is deflecting the tire as much to begin with. Similiarly, rough pavement requires less pressure for the same reason.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html
Sand
Footballguy
I'll throw in here that the biketech guys have found that at pressures up through about 120psi rolling resistance decreases but tends to go up after this. I can't find the link to that, though, at the moment.However, the tires on the bike can make a pretty big difference. You have to trade this off against your goals. If you ride on crappy roads you don't want to use thin racing tires - you'd want something a bit more puncture resistant. If you want to geek out you can look at tests of different tires here. Real world road tests find the results track, but with higher resistance.
Sand
Footballguy
Oh, then you're speaking to the right guy. Frankly, if my Garmin isn't working I don't see the point in doing a ride/run. Without data, what's the point?probably more part engineering geek...pigskinliquors said:Are we sure BnB isn't part cyborg?
I think you are way overestimating my abilities. Wattage is wattage and I can conclude pretty definitively you outstrip me pretty good (though I'm working on it!). I don't know if I could push 29 on a flat - I don't remember being able to push a 53/13. Hard to test here, though, as there are precious few flat places around. I need to see if I can rent out Talladega for a day.
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Make a trip up to Charlotte, we rent it out for six days for TTs.Oh, then you're speaking to the right guy. Frankly, if my Garmin isn't working I don't see the point in doing a ride/run. Without data, what's the point?probably more part engineering geek...pigskinliquors said:I think you are way overestimating my abilities. Wattage is wattage and I can conclude pretty conclusively you outstrip me pretty good (though I'm working on it!). I don't know if I could push 29 on a flat. Hard to test here, though, as there are precious few flat places around. I need to see if I can rent out Talladega for a day.
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
Yesterday I did a slow 4 miles when I had planned to do 5. I have a head cold and cough so running is pretty tough. I am taking a unscheduled off day today to try and rest my body up, but this is killing me. I am hoping that this will not carry on much longer as the Pig is only 2 weeks away from this Sunday. Every year I train for this #####, something always comes up after I am feeling great about how my training is going. This is not going to take me down this year.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Running when you're congested isn't much fun.
I wouldn't worry about missing a short run or two at this point. You should be starting your taper about now, right? The rest will probably do you some good.
Workhorse
Footballguy
I've got a question about Tempo Runs.
My trainer has me on a speed-improvement regimen over the next 12 weeks prior to beginning my NYC Marathon training. As part of the plan, I'm starting to do tempo runs for the first time. My first tempo run was last night: A 10 minute warmup followed by 20 minutes at 5k pace and a 10 minute cooldown. Since this was the first tempo run I've ever done, I wasn't sure what to expect. My heartrate was banging away at lactate threshhold (173 bpm). Does that seem too aggressive? It was a pretty challenging run and I wasn't totally gassed at the end but my legs were total jelly.
How do you typically do your tempo runs?
My trainer has me on a speed-improvement regimen over the next 12 weeks prior to beginning my NYC Marathon training. As part of the plan, I'm starting to do tempo runs for the first time. My first tempo run was last night: A 10 minute warmup followed by 20 minutes at 5k pace and a 10 minute cooldown. Since this was the first tempo run I've ever done, I wasn't sure what to expect. My heartrate was banging away at lactate threshhold (173 bpm). Does that seem too aggressive? It was a pretty challenging run and I wasn't totally gassed at the end but my legs were total jelly.
How do you typically do your tempo runs?
gruecd
Footballguy
I meant to respond to this yesterday, but work got in the way. That's a helluva workout, buddy. Nice job. Looking forward to seeing how you do at Fox Cities!Keggers said:
I ran the Little Rock Half with a sinus infection, and it sucked. Like Ivan said, the hay is in the barn, so just focus on getting better, and you'll be fine. Get your BQ at the Pig, and you can come run Boston next year with me and tri-man.---------------------For me, just an easy 5-miler this morning. Typical sucky, sluggish taper run. Blech. Really looking forward to this weekend!
gruecd
Footballguy
I use Pete Pfitzinger's training programs from his book "Advanced Marathoning." In fact, I think anyone serious about running marathons should own this book. Anyway, Pfitz recommends that tempo runs should be done at 10K to Half Marathon pace, so yes, I think what you did was too aggressive. I do my interval workouts at 5K pace, but that's another story.Go to the McMillan Running Calculator, punch in your goal marathon time, and it'll give you a recommended pace range for tempo workouts. For example, if you're trying to run a 3:45 marathon (8:36 pace), it recommends that you do your tempo runs between 7:49-8:09. I think you did your tempo run way too fast.
Workhorse
Footballguy
I actually just picked up Pfitz's book last week. Lots of great stuff in there that I plan to put into use this summer for marathon training.Right now, I'm only training for 5/10k distance. Any advice on tempo runs for shorter distances like that?
gruecd
Footballguy
I honestly never train specifically for those type of events, so not really. But I think that interval training would be more beneficial for that type of thing anyway. I know either Runner's World or Running Times recently ran an article about 5K training. Let me look at home and see if I can find it.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I'd say that for those distances, you'd be doing more interval work than tempo runs ...anything from 200m to mile repeats.That McMillan calculator IS a great tool. In particular for me last year, it was a solid reality check for the necessary pacing to achieve a marathon goal.
The_Man
Footballguy
I think that McMillan calculator is great. As tri-man says, it's a reality check for what a realistic marathon goal is. At the same time, its recommended paces for different workouts have been invaluable in encouraging me to slow down when I'm not doing speedwork. I've overlaid my training calendar with the workout times from the McMillan calculator so that I now set out not only knowing how far I'm going to run, but also what my target pace is. This has been very beneficial, as my old approach was to set out to run whatever felt "comfortable" and invariably end up going too hard and wearing myself down.
culdeus
Footballguy
Still one of the more fun moments I had on a bike was riding with pigskin on a flat in a group. We were popping along at 30+ and were hardly even having to try because of the draft and a slight tail wind. Dudes in compact were dropping out because even in full hamster they couldn't keep up with 53x11s My HR was in :( mode too. It was epic.Sand said:Oh, then you're speaking to the right guy. Frankly, if my Garmin isn't working I don't see the point in doing a ride/run. Without data, what's the point?BassNBrew said:probably more part engineering geek...pigskinliquors said:Are we sure BnB isn't part cyborg?
I think you are way overestimating my abilities. Wattage is wattage and I can conclude pretty definitively you outstrip me pretty good (though I'm working on it!). I don't know if I could push 29 on a flat - I don't remember being able to push a 53/13. Hard to test here, though, as there are precious few flat places around. I need to see if I can rent out Talladega for a day.
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
You guys are right on this point. I begin taper next week so i am looking forward to that. I do have one more 4 mile pace run on Saturday, but I think I can still do that one pretty well. At this point I am just glad it is not a week before the race, which has happened before when I caught a virus from my son and was in bed for 3 days straight. I just cancelled the race and watched the results online. In the end, it is what it is and if you can't race, you can't race. You end up being no worse off than before with your training and can start again for another one if you want to in better shape than before.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
I use these. You can't beat the price and their sound quality is decent. I don't mind having to replace them once a year at $10 a shot. Wraith:Polish Hammer said:
on the wetsuit. I'm going to need one, and need to decide sleeveless vs. sleeves first.Regarding PSI: the tires themselves are much more important than the pressure. Since you are on a CycloCross bike, you are probably riding on 700x30c. A 700x23c will be faster as it will have less surface contact.
That was a nice portion of that ride. Had you stayed with me last year at HHH, you would have been able to experience that feeling for 4.5 hoursStill one of the more fun moments I had on a bike was riding with pigskin on a flat in a group. We were popping along at 30+ and were hardly even having to try because of the draft and a slight tail wind. Dudes in compact were dropping out because even in full hamster they couldn't keep up with 53x11s My HR was in
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wraith5
Footballguy
FIRST 10k program The distances are in metric, but here's a 12 week 10k program that incorporates interval, tempo, and distance runs (ie follows the FIRST program).
If you tell me a recent 5k time, I'll look up your specific paces for the different distances in the "Run Less, Run Faster" book when I get home.
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pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
I'm looking to try a new pair of shoes. Approximately 95% of the running shoes I've worn in the past decade have been Asics Nimbus. I've also tried Saucony ProGrid, have worn a few pairs of Asics Cumulus, and my most recent pair is Asics Kayano. ALL I want from a shoe is injury prevention, and while the Nimbus has been good to me, I'm curious if there isn't a better shoe out there. Additionally, my Kayano's have broken down way too quickly for my liking, which is why I'm not ready to buy another pair of them.
Using Roadrunnersports "Shoe-Dog" shoes that it recommends for me include (all stability+):
Asics Nimbus (duh!) & Kayano
New Balance 1063 & 1064 & 883 & 1906
Saucony ProGrid Triumph
Mizuno Wave Creation
Under Armour Apparition
Nike Zoom Vomero
Adidas Adistar
Asics Kushon
Pearl Izumi scynroFloat
Puma Velosis
I went to Academy Sports this morning and saw the ugliest shoe I've ever seen, so of course I had to check it out. It's the Reebok Zigtech, and after trying it on, it felt great on my feet. I've read a ton of reviews in the past hour, with nobody having put any amount of substantial miles on them (debuted last month). The majority of reviews just say they are fugly, with no substance. I'm fairly confident that they'll be decent cross-training shoes, but would love them to live up to what they suggest they do (cushion to a point of reducing muscle wear). I'm very curious if anyone has any advice on the Zigtech or any of the shoes listed above.
Using Roadrunnersports "Shoe-Dog" shoes that it recommends for me include (all stability+):
Asics Nimbus (duh!) & Kayano
New Balance 1063 & 1064 & 883 & 1906
Saucony ProGrid Triumph
Mizuno Wave Creation
Under Armour Apparition
Nike Zoom Vomero
Adidas Adistar
Asics Kushon
Pearl Izumi scynroFloat
Puma Velosis
I went to Academy Sports this morning and saw the ugliest shoe I've ever seen, so of course I had to check it out. It's the Reebok Zigtech, and after trying it on, it felt great on my feet. I've read a ton of reviews in the past hour, with nobody having put any amount of substantial miles on them (debuted last month). The majority of reviews just say they are fugly, with no substance. I'm fairly confident that they'll be decent cross-training shoes, but would love them to live up to what they suggest they do (cushion to a point of reducing muscle wear). I'm very curious if anyone has any advice on the Zigtech or any of the shoes listed above.
Sand
Footballguy
Poor guy pulling... Anyway, I'm jealous. Pacelines are fun. Never been in one that fast, though. Thinking of that I have been looking for the video of the TDF team time trial. When Astana was packing along at 35+ on the flats they had some helicopter shots of them cruising along that were simply awe inspiring. I'd like to watch that again.Still one of the more fun moments I had on a bike was riding with pigskin on a flat in a group. We were popping along at 30+ and were hardly even having to try because of the draft and a slight tail wind. Dudes in compact were dropping out because even in full hamster they couldn't keep up with 53x11s My HR was inmode too. It was epic.
The_Man
Footballguy
Excellent. You are getting really fast! Remind me - what are you training for now?I stayed up too late watching hockey last night and couldn't motivate for my 3-mile recovery run after yesterday's speedwork.That means I have to run tonight, which means my running has run afoul of my wife's schedule for family dinner/kids' homewort time/etc., which means not so much hockey watching in my short-term future.Tempo run this morning - I had 5 miles on the schedule (7:59 target, 7:50 stretch target), but since I struggled with the 6 miler last week, I decided to do 6 again if I felt I could. 6 miles, 7:47/mile (7:48s front 3 miles, 7:46s back 3 miles)
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Pulls that year (2 years ago) were controlled by a small group in the front (= we were literally along for the ride!), and we were flying pretty good. Somehow the 30+ miles had both Culdeus' and my HR's extremely low. You could feel yourself being sucked forward by the draft. It was incredible!Last year it was a larger group with everyone taking turns (approx. 1-2 minutes at a pop) at the front then dropping to the back. We didn't have one mile reach 29 MPH all day (only two above 27), but were consistently averaging 25 for large portions. The group thinned out to less than 15 of us at mile 80, and unfortunately for me, the group then tried to speed it up another notch. I hung with them for two pulls (approx. 1 minute each) over the next 9 miles, and then ran much of the last 13 looking for ANY wheel to get behind as I was shot. Thanks to great group work(probably only 10 pulls all day!), I finished the 101.7 miles (with zero stops) in 4:31:33 which was an average of 22.5 MPH.Poor guy pulling... Anyway, I'm jealous. Pacelines are fun. Never been in one that fast, though. Thinking of that I have been looking for the video of the TDF team time trial. When Astana was packing along at 35+ on the flats they had some helicopter shots of them cruising along that were simply awe inspiring. I'd like to watch that again.Still one of the more fun moments I had on a bike was riding with pigskin on a flat in a group. We were popping along at 30+ and were hardly even having to try because of the draft and a slight tail wind. Dudes in compact were dropping out because even in full hamster they couldn't keep up with 53x11s My HR was inmode too. It was epic.
gruecd
Footballguy
The 1063s and 1064s are not stability shoes. They're neutral custioned shoes.I've got a pair of 1063s in my current rotation, and they're getting phased out right now for the 1064s, so I've bought a few more pairs on clearance. I think I've got 2-3 new pairs in the closet. Didn't pay more than $50-60 for any of them.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Need some help from the experts. Probably a shot in the dark but here goes...
Any of you guys have mild arthritis in your lower back? I've evidently developed this and since December its really been a problem. Not so much lately but December-March was pretty bad.
Basically halted any running I was doing. I don't run races but try to run 4-5 miles 3-5 times per week for most of the year. Usually break in August when it's really hot and December-January when really cold.
Doesn't seem to be an issue while I'm running but the next few days can be pretty ugly which usually leads to me not running again for a couple of weeks. Really don't want to give it up completely.
Any tips or remedies are appreciated.
TIA
Any of you guys have mild arthritis in your lower back? I've evidently developed this and since December its really been a problem. Not so much lately but December-March was pretty bad.
Basically halted any running I was doing. I don't run races but try to run 4-5 miles 3-5 times per week for most of the year. Usually break in August when it's really hot and December-January when really cold.
Doesn't seem to be an issue while I'm running but the next few days can be pretty ugly which usually leads to me not running again for a couple of weeks. Really don't want to give it up completely.
Any tips or remedies are appreciated.
TIA
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Not to pile on, but I believe that Asics Cumulus and Nike Zoom Vomero are also neutral (according to runningwarehouse.com).I just ordered the Vomero 4...should get them within a week!
wraith5
Footballguy
I really appreciate the "getting really fast" comment! I have a bunch of friends on Facebook who think I'm fast (not including any FBGs in that statement), but over here I generally feel very slow - which is good since it keeps me humble and motivated! Anyway I feel like I'm progressing well and I'm very happy about that. Some great hockey last night - San Jose lost, Detroit lost. Great night. I'm going to the Hawks on Sunday (Game 2). I updated my sig (about time to drop my fantasy stats from 2006, anyway...) with my race calendar. The 2 trail runs, which are a couple of miles from my house, are pending meeting up with Tri-Man (and trying to keep up with him this time around!). The only other thing on my radar would be the Chicago Triathlon 8/29, but at this point that's very unlikely. (2Y - the one you mentioned happens to fall when I'm on vacation with family).Excellent. You are getting really fast! Remind me - what are you training for now?I stayed up too late watching hockey last night and couldn't motivate for my 3-mile recovery run after yesterday's speedwork.That means I have to run tonight, which means my running has run afoul of my wife's schedule for family dinner/kids' homewort time/etc., which means not so much hockey watching in my short-term future.Tempo run this morning - I had 5 miles on the schedule (7:59 target, 7:50 stretch target), but since I struggled with the 6 miler last week, I decided to do 6 again if I felt I could. 6 miles, 7:47/mile (7:48s front 3 miles, 7:46s back 3 miles)
wraith5
Footballguy
No Brooks on your list??
I got my new Brooks GTS today from RoadrunnerSports - those folks are FAST!
How do the packs stay so small? At the Mitchell ride we would have a pack of two hundred plus at the front until the first big hill. They finally switched to a corral start to reduce acidents. Talk about a draft, I spent more time on the brakes than actually pedalling over the first 40 miles.Pulls that year (2 years ago) were controlled by a small group in the front (= we were literally along for the ride!), and we were flying pretty good. Somehow the 30+ miles had both Culdeus' and my HR's extremely low. You could feel yourself being sucked forward by the draft. It was incredible!Last year it was a larger group with everyone taking turns (approx. 1-2 minutes at a pop) at the front then dropping to the back. We didn't have one mile reach 29 MPH all day (only two above 27), but were consistently averaging 25 for large portions. The group thinned out to less than 15 of us at mile 80, and unfortunately for me, the group then tried to speed it up another notch. I hung with them for two pulls (approx. 1 minute each) over the next 9 miles, and then ran much of the last 13 looking for ANY wheel to get behind as I was shot. Thanks to great group work(probably only 10 pulls all day!), I finished the 101.7 miles (with zero stops) in 4:31:33 which was an average of 22.5 MPH.Poor guy pulling... Anyway, I'm jealous. Pacelines are fun. Never been in one that fast, though. Thinking of that I have been looking for the video of the TDF team time trial. When Astana was packing along at 35+ on the flats they had some helicopter shots of them cruising along that were simply awe inspiring. I'd like to watch that again.Still one of the more fun moments I had on a bike was riding with pigskin on a flat in a group. We were popping along at 30+ and were hardly even having to try because of the draft and a slight tail wind. Dudes in compact were dropping out because even in full hamster they couldn't keep up with 53x11s My HR was in
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure if I wore those shoes in public, I would get my ### kicked.
I went to the Zoom Vomero last year after having nagging injuries in the knee and arch the last several years. Switched from Mizuno's, Asics never fit me. The running shoe expert suggested them as a shoe with a lot of cushioning. I've had no significant injuries despite increasing my mileage and sticking mainly to the roads. Wear has been decent, probably close to 500 miles. The soles are now showing a good bit of wear but the sides are in worse shape. As you know, I'm on the larger end of the running population. I was a little leary of Nike because the of the marketing hype for their products. I was happy enough to order another pair on e-bay.I'm looking to try a new pair of shoes. Approximately 95% of the running shoes I've worn in the past decade have been Asics Nimbus. I've also tried Saucony ProGrid, have worn a few pairs of Asics Cumulus, and my most recent pair is Asics Kayano. ALL I want from a shoe is injury prevention, and while the Nimbus has been good to me, I'm curious if there isn't a better shoe out there. Additionally, my Kayano's have broken down way too quickly for my liking, which is why I'm not ready to buy another pair of them.
Using Roadrunnersports "Shoe-Dog" shoes that it recommends for me include (all stability+):
Asics Nimbus (duh!) & Kayano
New Balance 1063 & 1064 & 883 & 1906
Saucony ProGrid Triumph
Mizuno Wave Creation
Under Armour Apparition
Nike Zoom Vomero
Adidas Adistar
Asics Kushon
Pearl Izumi scynroFloat
Puma Velosis
I went to Academy Sports this morning and saw the ugliest shoe I've ever seen, so of course I had to check it out. It's the Reebok Zigtech, and after trying it on, it felt great on my feet. I've read a ton of reviews in the past hour, with nobody having put any amount of substantial miles on them (debuted last month). The majority of reviews just say they are fugly, with no substance. I'm fairly confident that they'll be decent cross-training shoes, but would love them to live up to what they suggest they do (cushion to a point of reducing muscle wear). I'm very curious if anyone has any advice on the Zigtech or any of the shoes listed above.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Easy 13.1 today at just over 2:00. During the summer I like to do some of these runs on the high school track, but obviously they frown on me doing this while school is in session, so instead I run laps around my campus. A half marathon works out to almost exactly four "short" laps (I have three different loops that go 3.25, 4.0 and 4.75). The nice thing about this is that even on a somewhat windy day like today, I never have to run more than 3/4 of a mile or so into the wind. Unfortunately, poor planning on my part had me running the last leg into a 20 mph wind, which was good for HTFU purposes but bad for my tentative plan to do the last couple of miles at HMP. Still a nice long run.
culdeus
Footballguy
Packs in texas stay small in non uscf rides.How do the packs stay so small? At the Mitchell ride we would have a pack of two hundred plus at the front until the first big hill. They finally switched to a corral start to reduce acidents. Talk about a draft, I spent more time on the brakes than actually pedalling over the first 40 miles.Pulls that year (2 years ago) were controlled by a small group in the front (= we were literally along for the ride!), and we were flying pretty good. Somehow the 30+ miles had both Culdeus' and my HR's extremely low. You could feel yourself being sucked forward by the draft. It was incredible!Last year it was a larger group with everyone taking turns (approx. 1-2 minutes at a pop) at the front then dropping to the back. We didn't have one mile reach 29 MPH all day (only two above 27), but were consistently averaging 25 for large portions. The group thinned out to less than 15 of us at mile 80, and unfortunately for me, the group then tried to speed it up another notch. I hung with them for two pulls (approx. 1 minute each) over the next 9 miles, and then ran much of the last 13 looking for ANY wheel to get behind as I was shot. Thanks to great group work(probably only 10 pulls all day!), I finished the 101.7 miles (with zero stops) in 4:31:33 which was an average of 22.5 MPH.Poor guy pulling... Anyway, I'm jealous. Pacelines are fun. Never been in one that fast, though. Thinking of that I have been looking for the video of the TDF team time trial. When Astana was packing along at 35+ on the flats they had some helicopter shots of them cruising along that were simply awe inspiring. I'd like to watch that again.Still one of the more fun moments I had on a bike was riding with pigskin on a flat in a group. We were popping along at 30+ and were hardly even having to try because of the draft and a slight tail wind. Dudes in compact were dropping out because even in full hamster they couldn't keep up with 53x11s My HR was in
Workhorse
Footballguy
My most recent 5k time was 21:48. Thanks for the help!
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I don't know what to advise regarding running ...other than to stay on tracks or trails (and off of hard pavement). The other suggestion is to consider swimming, which I've come to love since I got into triathlons. Not sure if it's considered particularly good or bad for your condition.Liquors - Speaking of Asics, I really like the Asics 21x0 (not sure what number they're on). It's actually 'less' shoe than the Nimbus or Cumulus, but that's why I like it. It doesn't come up as high in the back, so it's less restrictive. It's also lighter than those other shoes ...and less expensive. I'm in the mindset that less is more.
Wraith - great training, again! I fear I might not be able to make those trail races. I'll be speaking at a conference in Florida that runs through 6/5, and I won't return until that night. I believe we'll be vacationing in Michigan through the week of 7/5, and I don't know that we'll be back by 7/10.
I'd like to give you a shot at taking down the tri-man, given your solid work. I might have to settle for cheering you on during the 6/27 tri.
wraith5
Footballguy
Hopefully this pastes OK...
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5k 0:21:50 0:07:0310k 0:45:41 0:07:221/2 M 1:41:12 0:07:44marathon 3:32:28 0:08:07 400M 0:01:35 0:06:20600M 0:02:25 0:06:27800M 0:03:15 0:06:301000M 0:04:06 0:06:341200M 0:04:58 0:06:371600M 0:06:46 0:06:462000M 0:08:32 0:06:50 Short Tempo 0:07:19Mid Tempo 0:07:34Long Tempo 0:07:49Easy Tempo 0:08:54 MP 0:08:06HMP 0:07:46wraith5
Footballguy
Wraith - great training, again! I fear I might not be able to make those trail races. I'll be speaking at a conference in Florida that runs through 6/5, and I won't return until that night. I believe we'll be vacationing in Michigan through the week of 7/5, and I don't know that we'll be back by 7/10.I'd like to give you a shot at taking down the tri-man, given your solid work. I might have to settle for cheering you on during the 6/27 tri.
I'd love to say I'll just take you down at the RnR, but I'm not sure I can muster a 1:40:47... or a 1:45...Anyway I'm bummed. Their 12k is the Saturday after the RnR so I don't think that will work well, either.
It'd be great to see you on 6/27 if that works out!
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
What was the 5k pace?
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Damn that is greatTempo run this morning - I had 5 miles on the schedule (7:59 target, 7:50 stretch target), but since I struggled with the 6 miler last week, I decided to do 6 again if I felt I could. 6 miles, 7:47/mile (7:48s front 3 miles, 7:46s back 3 miles)
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