Ran a 10k in June (12 Viewers)

[prosopis]

I did a 6 mile recovery run today and it was 97 out. WTF?

Weather reports are that we will be in the 70s later this week. I will believe it when I feel it.

* I have a half marathon race on Sunday. Gun is at 6:15 so hopefully it will be cooler. I am hoping I have a shot at beating my last 1/2 time(2:10:40). This one does have a significant climb in it which may throw a wrench into the works though. We will see.

 

[prosopis]

For anyone who's interested, here's a link to my training log entry for the race yesterday. Kinda interesting looking at all the splits.

You forgot to wear your HR strap.

Mile 21 - 6:49

Mile 22 - 7:04

Mile 23 - 7:04

Mile 24 - 6:47

I'll be very interested to hear all the thoughts that were screaming in your mind during this stretch ...how worried you became; what doubts appeared; and particularly, how you got back on track.

I calculate that if you ran the final .22 at your average pace instead of 6:03, you'd have finished in 2:59:59:45. That would have been awesome.

Awesome pacing. I still dont understand how some of you can keep such a steady pace. I to would like to hear more about the entire race. Can you tell a difference between 6:47 and 7:04 or do you look at your garmin to get that info?

 

[prosopis]

Thanks to everyone for the encouragement. I know I just had a melt down. I was really pist. I did about everything wrong. I also tripped and fell at mile 7. First time I have done that and it kinda messed me up. Chalk it up as a learning experience and move on.

* I will say that is the worst I have ever felt about running. My psyche took a hit Saturday.

Tomorrow I am doing 14 miles.

 

[gruecd]

I'll be very interested to hear all the thoughts that were screaming in your mind during this stretch ...how worried you became; what doubts appeared; and particularly, how you got back on track.

I'll elaborate more in the race report, but it basically went from:"I got this"

to

"You've got to be kidding me. You're going to cramp up now?!"

to

"Holy this hurts. There's no way in hell I can do this for another 4-5 miles"

to

"I can do anything for 20 minutes"

to

"I have to do this. There's no way in hell I wanna try it again"

to finally

"Holy . I've got this"

 

[gruecd]

Can you tell a difference between 6:47 and 7:04 or do you look at your garmin to get that info?

Normally I can easily tell the difference. At that point, I felt like I was barely moving. I looked down expecting to see my pace falling apart, and surprisingly, I was still right there. It was weird. My legs just locked into that pace, and my brain was able to keep 'em going when they wanted to quit.

 

[gruecd]

Oh, and I decided today that I'm going to bail on New York. I need to get this hamstring back to 100%, and I don't wanna miss another 3-4 days of work with the market being like it is. Instead, I think I'm gonna do the Tyranena Beer Run in Lake Mills, Wisconsin. For you Chicago-area guys, it's only two hours away, and they have free beer and a lasagna dinner afterwards. Just saying...

Also switched from the full marathon to the half in Houston in January. This was really more of a back-up plan just in case I did poorly in Milwaukee. I'm glad that I can go back to my original plan of just watching the Trials and getting silly with my friends. I've run half marathons hungover in the past, so least it won't be anything new on race day!

Finally, one of my good buddies here in Appleton qualified for his first Boston Marathon yesterday with a time of 3:23:41 at Twin Cities! He'll be 47 in 2013, so he needed 3:25 under the new, stricter standards. Awesome. The catch is that I was planning on being done with Boston for a while after 2012, but I promised him ahead of time that I'd go with him if he qualified. So I guess I'm turning into a streaker....

 

[SteelCurtain]

Oh, and I decided today that I'm going to bail on New York. I need to get this hamstring back to 100%, and I don't wanna miss another 3-4 days of work with the market being like it is. Instead, I think I'm gonna do the Tyranena Beer Run in Lake Mills, Wisconsin. For you Chicago-area guys, it's only two hours away, and they have free beer and a lasagna dinner afterwards. Just saying...

Also switched from the full marathon to the half in Houston in January. This was really more of a back-up plan just in case I did poorly in Milwaukee. I'm glad that I can go back to my original plan of just watching the Trials and getting silly with my friends. I've run half marathons hungover in the past, so least it won't be anything new on race day!

Finally, one of my good buddies here in Appleton qualified for his first Boston Marathon yesterday with a time of 3:23:41 at Twin Cities! He'll be 47 in 2013, so he needed 3:25 under the new, stricter standards. Awesome. The catch is that I was planning on being done with Boston for a while after 2012, but I promised him ahead of time that I'd go with him if he qualified. So I guess I'm turning into a streaker....

If you need to get rid of the NYC Marathon entry, I'm right over here. Just saying.....

 

[SteelCurtain]

I'll be very interested to hear all the thoughts that were screaming in your mind during this stretch ...how worried you became; what doubts appeared; and particularly, how you got back on track.

I'll elaborate more in the race report, but it basically went from:"I got this"

to

"You've got to be kidding me. You're going to cramp up now?!"

to

"Holy this hurts. There's no way in hell I can do this for another 4-5 miles"

to

"I can do anything for 20 minutes"

to

"I have to do this. There's no way in hell I wanna try it again"

to finally

"Holy . I've got this"

Good to know that your emotions in a sub 3 hour marathon is the same as my marathon.....only I run a lot slower than you!

 

[SteelCurtain]

Thanks to everyone for the encouragement. I know I just had a melt down. I was really pist. I did about everything wrong. I also tripped and fell at mile 7. First time I have done that and it kinda messed me up. Chalk it up as a learning experience and move on.* I will say that is the worst I have ever felt about running. My psyche took a hit Saturday.Tomorrow I am doing 14 miles.

Just bounce right back. Hopefully you'll rock the 14 miles and you'll wonder what you were complaining about last week! Keep running.....you can do it!

 

[SteelCurtain]

gruecd - best wishes this weekend! So you're our resident master of the mileage. Morning, nighttime, doubles ...you crank 'em out. But I believe your success this weekend will be due to the mind, not the miles. You're pushing a strong pace: your HM time will be within two minutes of your PR, and then you need to repeat it. You'll be getting into uncharted challenges here and need to be ready to withstand that level of pain and effort. Let me also say that you have talked a fair amount of pushing back the attempt to another city/another day if the weather wasn't ideal. You need to keep those "next time" thoughts at bay and go in with a 100% commitment to this being your race ...this being your moment of sub-3:00 glory ...this being your HTFU, no-holds-barred success. Fight for it. Make it happen. Then post more cowgirl pics.

Hey, tri. Forget to mention in my little wrap-up that I thought about your little pep talk on more than one occasion over those last 6 miles yesterday. Thanks again to you (and everyone else in here) for the motivation, and I can't wait to celebrate with my fellow Bourbon Chasers this coming weekend!For anyone who's interested, here's a link to my training log entry for the race yesterday. Kinda interesting looking at all the splits.

Finally, if any of you Midwesterners are looking for a fall marathon next year, I can't recommend Milwaukee enough. It's a marathon only--no half marathon, relay, etc. Flat, fast, shaded, scenic course with great crowd support, easy logistics, etc. Possibly my favorite of the ten different marathons I've run.

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FBG26 - Congrats on finishing another TCM. I love that course; easily in my top five. That being said, it was still the slowest of my 16 marathons (3:52 in 2005), so I'm thinking about going back there next year as a tune-up to the JFK 50 next November.

Ned - Great job on the 21. Way to slay that dragon!

prosopis - Don't give up. Just keep plugging away, and one of these times everything will click for you.

OK, since I'm only in the office for three days this week, I suppose I should probably get some work done...

Grue -- what's up with running the extra 0.25 miles? Is that because you didn't take the shortest route around the turns? The course was too long? Start it too soon? Your Garmin malfunctioned? You were so excited you ran for an extra quarter mile before you turned it off? You were going so fast at the finish that by the time you slowed down after going over the mats that the Garmin credited you an extra 0.25? Enlighten me please!

 

[gruecd]

Grue -- what's up with running the extra 0.25 miles? Is that because you didn't take the shortest route around the turns? The course was too long? Start it too soon? Your Garmin malfunctioned? You were so excited you ran for an extra quarter mile before you turned it off? You were going so fast at the finish that by the time you slowed down after going over the mats that the Garmin credited you an extra 0.25? Enlighten me please!

First of all, every certified course is a little long. When a bike counter is used to measure the course, there's a "Short Course Prevention Factor" 1/10 of 1% that's included in the calibration constant.The rest of it just comes from (1) not running the tangents perfectly and (2) tracking error on the Garmin.

 

[prosopis]

Can you tell a difference between 6:47 and 7:04 or do you look at your garmin to get that info?

Normally I can easily tell the difference. At that point, I felt like I was barely moving. I looked down expecting to see my pace falling apart, and surprisingly, I was still right there. It was weird. My legs just locked into that pace, and my brain was able to keep 'em going when they wanted to quit.

Thanks. I am looking forward to the full report.

 

[sho nuff]

Love these reports.

Did a nice smooth 5 miles tonight.

Nothing special...just cruised keeping the HR at about 150 with 10:15 avg miles.

Prosopis...Im not good enough to just know all the time on my pace. I settled into the pace that felt good tonight kind of on a feel (was not planning any type of run tonight...just a comfortable pace), and once I got locked in for about a half mile I tried sticking with that same pace...I do check the Garmin quite a bit while I was doing this one.

Though, I have gotten a little better at sort of just knowing.

 

[prosopis]

Love these reports.Did a nice smooth 5 miles tonight.Nothing special...just cruised keeping the HR at about 150 with 10:15 avg miles.Prosopis...Im not good enough to just know all the time on my pace. I settled into the pace that felt good tonight kind of on a feel (was not planning any type of run tonight...just a comfortable pace), and once I got locked in for about a half mile I tried sticking with that same pace...I do check the Garmin quite a bit while I was doing this one.Though, I have gotten a little better at sort of just knowing.

If I did not have a garmin I would have no clue at all. I would have three paces-walking,maybe I live,no way I keep this up.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Grue -- what's up with running the extra 0.25 miles? Is that because you didn't take the shortest route around the turns? The course was too long? Start it too soon? Your Garmin malfunctioned? You were so excited you ran for an extra quarter mile before you turned it off? You were going so fast at the finish that by the time you slowed down after going over the mats that the Garmin credited you an extra 0.25? Enlighten me please!

First of all, every certified course is a little long. When a bike counter is used to measure the course, there's a "Short Course Prevention Factor" 1/10 of 1% that's included in the calibration constant.The rest of it just comes from (1) not running the tangents perfectly and (2) tracking error on the Garmin.

Thanks man. I love the bolded update in your sig.Congrats. So well deserved.What's next short term as the winter comes through? Dial back your long runs to 10 miles? Will you go from 70 mile weeks to 50 mile weeks?

 

[gruecd]

Thanks man. I love the bolded update in your sig.

Congrats. So well deserved.

What's next short term as the winter comes through? Dial back your long runs to 10 miles? Will you go from 70 mile weeks to 50 mile weeks?

Couldn't help myself. Short-term? Hmmm. After Bourbon Chase, I'll probably rest the hamstring for a couple of weeks and just cross-train or something. My running club is organizing a bus trip to the Tyranena Beer Run on 11/5, so I'll probably do that, and there's a 5K on 11/27 that I want to do. I've set PRs this year at 10K, 13.1, and 26.2, and I need to get that stupid 5K PR down under 19 minutes so I can retire from that awful distance. Seriously.

Training-wise, yeah, I'll probably drop the mileage down into the 50s, dial back the weekly long run into the 12- to 15-mile range, etc., and then pick it back up in January when it's time to start training for Boston. I can tell you right now that my only goal for this one is to run a good, smart race; to finish with a smile on my face; and to set a new course PR, which means anything under 3:09:48 will be 100% fine by me.

Lastly, I'm going to join a local tri coach's swim clinic this November. Goal is to maybe do an Olympic triathlon next year. We'll see.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

"I can do anything for 20 minutes"to"I have to do this. There's no way in hell I wanna try it again"

Both of these lines of thought have weighed heavily on me for the last few miles of the "good" races I've done.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Lastly, I'm going to join a local tri coach's swim clinic this November. Goal is to maybe do an Olympic triathlon next year. We'll see.

The difference in the HIM & OLY swim is less than 500 yards (10-12 more minutes of swimming)..............

 

[tri-man 47]

I've set PRs this year at 10K, 13.1, and 26.2, and I need to get that stupid 5K PR down under 19 minutes so I can retire from that awful distance. Seriously.

So I shouldn't again dangle my 18:08 PR in front of you, then?

 

[sho nuff]

I've set PRs this year at 10K, 13.1, and 26.2, and I need to get that stupid 5K PR down under 19 minutes so I can retire from that awful distance. Seriously.

So I shouldn't again dangle my 18:08 PR in front of you, then?

oh...its on like mf'ing donkey kong.

 

[gruecd]

So I shouldn't again dangle my 18:08 PR in front of you, then?

Dude, they used sundials as timing devices back then. Doesn't count.

 

[BassNBrew]

Training-wise, yeah, I'll probably drop the mileage down into the 50s, dial back the weekly long run into the 12- to 15-mile range, etc., and then pick it back up in January when it's time to start training for Boston. I can tell you right now that my only goal for this one is to run a good, smart race; to finish with a smile on my face; and to set a new course PR, which means anything under 3:09:48 will be 100% fine by me.

You could stop training and do this. Heck, you could probably pound a beer at every 5k mark and set a pr.

 

[gruecd]

Oh, and as bad as my body hurts right now, I'm already itching to get back to running.

 

[sho nuff]

Oh, and as bad as my body hurts right now, I'm already itching to get back to running.

grue = Rocky

 

[Monsieur Meursault]

Thanks man. I love the bolded update in your sig.

Congrats. So well deserved.

What's next short term as the winter comes through? Dial back your long runs to 10 miles? Will you go from 70 mile weeks to 50 mile weeks?

Couldn't help myself. Short-term? Hmmm. After Bourbon Chase, I'll probably rest the hamstring for a couple of weeks and just cross-train or something. My running club is organizing a bus trip to the Tyranena Beer Run on 11/5, so I'll probably do that, and there's a 5K on 11/27 that I want to do. I've set PRs this year at 10K, 13.1, and 26.2, and I need to get that stupid 5K PR down under 19 minutes so I can retire from that awful distance. Seriously.

Training-wise, yeah, I'll probably drop the mileage down into the 50s, dial back the weekly long run into the 12- to 15-mile range, etc., and then pick it back up in January when it's time to start training for Boston. I can tell you right now that my only goal for this one is to run a good, smart race; to finish with a smile on my face; and to set a new course PR, which means anything under 3:09:48 will be 100% fine by me.

Lastly, I'm going to join a local tri coach's swim clinic this November. Goal is to maybe do an Olympic triathlon next year. We'll see.

Not to sound snobbish, but an Olympic tri would be a walk in the park for you. I can do an Olympic tri, and I run a 11-12 minute/mile pace. You should consider training for a Half Ironman.

 

[gruecd]

Not to sound snobbish, but an Olympic tri would be a walk in the park for you. I can do an Olympic tri, and I run a 11-12 minute/mile pace. You should consider training for a Half Ironman.

If I could swim more than a length of the pool without stopping, you'd be right. I can't even tread water. I seriously have a loooooong way to go. Biking and running, no problem.

 

[Ned]

So I shouldn't again dangle my 18:08 PR in front of you, then?

Dude, they used sundials as timing devices back then. Doesn't count.

 

[Monsieur Meursault]

Not to sound snobbish, but an Olympic tri would be a walk in the park for you. I can do an Olympic tri, and I run a 11-12 minute/mile pace. You should consider training for a Half Ironman.

If I could swim more than a length of the pool without stopping, you'd be right. I can't even tread water. I seriously have a loooooong way to go. Biking and running, no problem.

More than understood. I remember my first tri. I hadn't swam at all during training, thinking "I know how to swim, how hard can it be?" Only to be gassed after 50 meters, and then it was swim for 30 seconds, stop and catch my breath for 30 seconds the rest of the way. It was brutal, but it was a tremendous learning experience and a steep learning curve.Good luck with whatever you do.

 

[Ned]

Today was the beginning of Pfitz 18/55 cycle 3. Logistically, this is going to be a challenging cycle for me. I have a lot of various stints of vacation days coming up in October & November, so I'm going to have my hands full trying to keep all of the balls in the air.

Today was 8mi with 5x600 @ VO2 max. I was leery of this one since I just did the fastest 21 miles of my life on Sunday. The body's ability to adapt/recover is mind boggling. I can't believe I was able to pull this off. I decided to do 2 warmup miles, then the 5x600 with 1:45 rest in between, and then 4 GA miles afterwards. That ended up being 8.7 somehow. Ooops.

The first 2 repeats were too fast, but came easy. Repeats 3-5 were on some hilly patches along with turning into the wind on #5. What really stood out to me was how I was able to recover on the 4mi finish. The first mile I was tired and dreading the last 3 miles. By the time I hit the 2nd mile, I was totally refreshed and picking up steam. My HR was right back down to the low 150 and around 9:20s pacing. I've never felt this before. I'd love to know the science behind how/why I was able to recover while still running.

600m splits:

171 @ 2:24 (6:19 pace)

173 @ 2:26 (6:25)

178 @ 2:33 (6:43)

177 @ 2:33 (6:43)

178 @ 2:35 (6:50)

 

[tri-man 47]

So I shouldn't again dangle my 18:08 PR in front of you, then?

Dude, they used sundials as timing devices back then. Doesn't count.

No garmins, HR monitors, on-line training tools (on-line anything ), heck, I was probably running in Keds ...so you're right. It doesn't count. Let's instead call it sub-18:00 with technology adjustments.

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Ned, good point about the body's ability to recover. It really is amazing!

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm thinking about re-naming my "training plan" to "training rough hopeful guidelines and possible suggestions in theory"

Sunday's 3 hour trail run took it's toll. I'm a midfoot striker on the road and run the trails on the balls of my feet. Needless to say Sunday shredded my calves. I did the planned 6 mile recovery run last night at a 10+ minute pace. This morning I realized the 9 miler wasn't in the cards so I went out for a 40 mile easy bike ride at roughly 19.5 mph. Hopefully the aches will go away enough to get in the 9 miler tomorrow. Eithr way, that destorys any possibility of a tempo run on Thursday.

Shut-In Ridge 18 miler is 4.5 weeks away and it's going to be about 2 weeks to early in this training cycle to really attempt to crush. This is supposed to be a step back week but I may switch things up as this weekend will be my only chance to preview the course.

 

[prosopis]

Bad news- I am 99.9% sure I am cancelling my 14 miles today. It is in the 90s and we have high winds with dust storms. My wife says I 10 was closed just north of here with a 30 car pile up.

Good news- These high winds are bringing a cold front and we could be looking at 70s by Friday.

Hopefully I can get my 14 in tomorrow. I am running/racing a 1/2 on Sunday so I want to be somewhat rested by then. I could probably even do the 14 on Thursday if I had to.

 

[BassNBrew]

Bad news- I am 99.9% sure I am cancelling my 14 miles today. It is in the 90s and we have high winds with dust storms. My wife says I 10 was closed just north of here with a 30 car pile up.Good news- These high winds are bringing a cold front and we could be looking at 70s by Friday.Hopefully I can get my 14 in tomorrow. I am running/racing a 1/2 on Sunday so I want to be somewhat rested by then. I could probably even do the 14 on Thursday if I had to.

The only thing missing out your way is the plague and locusts. Hang in there.

 

[tri-man 47]

I'm thinking about re-naming my "training plan" to "training rough hopeful guidelines and possible suggestions in theory"Sunday's 3 hour trail run took it's toll. I'm a midfoot striker on the road and run the trails on the balls of my feet. Needless to say Sunday shredded my calves.

BnB, do you have compression socks? I was wearing mine a LOT during my marathon training. to the midfoot striking.

 

[pigskinliquors]

"I can do anything for 20 minutes"to"I have to do this. There's no way in hell I wanna try it again"

Ironically; that is the exact same conversation that Tri-Man and Mrs. Tri-Man had the other night for Tri's annual birthday secs.

 

[gruecd]

As I was updating the podium spreadsheet, I noticed that I'm the only one who's reached a podium in a division with more than 33 people in it. You guys purposely looking for small races so you can take home some hardware, or what?

 

[gruecd]

"I can do anything for 20 minutes seconds"

to

"I have to do this. There's no way in hell I wanna try it again"

Ironically; that is the exact same conversation that Tri-Man and Mrs. Tri-Man had the other night for Tri's annual birthday secs.

Fixed.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Prosopsis: Hang in there. Cooler weather will fix a ton of this.

BnB: You've always had eclectic training. Zero reason to continue winging it.

Ned: Great run, especially so close to your big weekend run!

Grue: At some point you are going to crush a Tri. Get some technique help on the swim and you'll do wonders. FWIW: for poor swimmers, the Oly distance is the worst.

Tri: Old school rocks.

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My little old update:

Went for a 16 mile ride this morning. Winds were below 10 mph (barely) and I decided to try to push it. My main goal was to complete all miles over 20 mph as I haven't had a ride yet that's done that. I had to push it hard to do it for three miles and failed to get there on the 14th mile (right into the wind, slightly uphill, and all chip seal). I didn't have a HR monitor on, but I was certainly redlining even though I only finished the mile at 3:07. Final average was 20.8 or an average of 2:53. Goals for all 20's+ and 21 mph are coming soon! I am also still avoiding my tri bike, as I'm not having extra pain on my road bike, and don't want to mess with a good thing.

 

[2Young2BBald]

As I was updating the podium spreadsheet, I noticed that I'm the only one who's reached a podium in a division with more than 33 people in it. You guys purposely looking for small races so you can take home some hardware, or what?

No, I'm looking for a division that takes REAL disadvantage in to consideration, like being 5'6, but one does not exist (like a farce of a division that rewards guys for merely being tall).

 

[pigskinliquors]

As I was updating the podium spreadsheet, I noticed that I'm the only one who's reached a podium in a division with more than 33 people in it. You guys purposely looking for small races so you can take home some hardware, or what?

No, I'm looking for a division that takes REAL disadvantage in to consideration, like being 5'6, but one does not exist (like a farce of a division that rewards guys for merely being tall).

This never gets old!!

 

[FBG26]

As I was updating the podium spreadsheet, I noticed that I'm the only one who's reached a podium in a division with more than 33 people in it. You guys purposely looking for small races so you can take home some hardware, or what?

No, I'm looking for a division that takes REAL disadvantage in to consideration, like being 5'6, but one does not exist (like a farce of a division that rewards guys for merely being tall).

This never gets old!!

 

[tri-man 47]

As I was updating the podium spreadsheet, I noticed that I'm the only one who's reached a podium in a division with more than 33 people in it. You guys purposely looking for small races so you can take home some hardware, or what?

Oh, geez. Listen, sonny, my age group has a LOT more than 33 people in it. Unfortunately (or in context, fortunately) most of them are dead.

 

[tri-man 47]

"I can do anything for 20 minutes"

to

"I have to do this. There's no way in hell I wanna try it again"

Ironically; that is the exact same conversation that Tri-Man and Mrs. Tri-Man had the other night for Tri's bi-annual birthday secs.

Fixed.

 

[Sand]

As I was updating the podium spreadsheet, I noticed that I'm the only one who's reached a podium in a division with more than 33 people in it. You guys purposely looking for small races so you can take home some hardware, or what?

And one could easily look at that list and remark that some folks are purposely looking solely at races of one type so they can be assured of taking home some hardware...

 

[Ned]

I'm thinking about re-naming my "training plan" to "training rough hopeful guidelines and possible suggestions in theory"Sunday's 3 hour trail run took it's toll. I'm a midfoot striker on the road and run the trails on the balls of my feet. Needless to say Sunday shredded my calves.

BnB, do you have compression socks? I was wearing mine a LOT during my marathon training. to the midfoot striking.

I'm a midfoot striker too and it'ss something I struggle with every single day. My calves are the worst when I first get out of bed. They're always stiff and cranky when I wake up. So much so that I can't lift up on to my toes for the first few minutes. By the time I'm hitting the coffee pot, I'm loosened up and am no worse for wear. I've come to live with it since its only for the first 5-10 minutes of the day, but would like to figure out why. Is this just a byproduct of running that way? I'm wondering if I should go back to wearing the compression sleeves during recovery.

 

[jb1020]

I need a training partner to push myself. I figured out I've been going way to easy on myself.

I was comparing notes with a friend of mine I'm running the St. Judes half with. He started running well after I started and he's running 9 min miles compared to my nearly 10 minute miles.

Decided to go out yesterday and run 3 miles at nearly top speed (and not look at my garmin). Ended up at an 8:23 pace (while pushing a 30lb kid in a stroller). I was a little surprised but more or less pissed. I have a solid 2 months before my first of 2 halves. I need to step it up.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Ned: Do not pass go, do not collect $200; go directly to the innerwebs and purchase some compression socks. They help a little bit during a run, but quite a bit in recovery if you can keep them on for a bit post run.

JB: Way to HTFU! I'm guessing the 30lb kid was thinking Holy Crap, we are flying here! FWIW, my six year old daughter only weighs 30 lbs. She's in the 55th percentile for her height, but only 15 percentile for her weight at her age. She constantly eats, but she's always moving while doing it. At this pace I'm hoping there will be an Ethiopian division (without Ethiopians in it) for her to race in when she gets older.

edited to add: JB, unless your running partner is female and hot, I can't think of any reason why you would need one.

 

[Ned]

Ned: Do not pass go, do not collect $200; go directly to the innerwebs and purchase some compression socks. They help a little bit during a run, but quite a bit in recovery if you can keep them on for a bit post run.

I bought 1 Zensa sleeve last year when I was having calf issues. I think you were the one that sold me on it (or maybe it was 2Y2BB). I'm contemplating getting a 2nd sleeve and just making it a post-run routine where I wear them for a couple of hrs.

 

[proninja]

Compression socks are awesome. When I ride an hour and a half in the morning, stand on my feet for 9 hours, then ride an hour and a half back, my feet feel a ton better at the end of the day. Like many things, I thought it was hooey at first, then tried it, and thought "well no ####, there's something to this."

A couple months ago when I got my powermeter my normalized power was about 170 with an average HR of 160. Yeah, that's pretty out of shape.

My commute home got cut in about half last night due to date night with the wife, but my normalized power over 12 miles was 381 with an average HR of 149. I'm still not fast, but I'm practically giddy.

 

[sho nuff]

Ned: Do not pass go, do not collect $200; go directly to the innerwebs and purchase some compression socks. They help a little bit during a run, but quite a bit in recovery if you can keep them on for a bit post run.

I bought 1 Zensa sleeve last year when I was having calf issues. I think you were the one that sold me on it (or maybe it was 2Y2BB). I'm contemplating getting a 2nd sleeve and just making it a post-run routine where I wear them for a couple of hrs.

I have had calf issues for a while.Have zensa sleeves that I sleep in after runs (during the week I run at night).On the weekend they don't always get on right after a run but they do go on at some point during the day and then I sleep in them (did the one week to my son's soccer game, my daughter asked if those were my shin guards).