Darrinll40
Footballguy
I put in all but the two I can't remember.
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pmbrown_22
Footballguy
I echo what has been said already. I am anxious to find out where we finished.
My Bourbon Chase Report:
I would never have imagined that bringing in 12 different individuals (From The Internet) together from different parts of the country would have been possible with very few issues. Well I am happy to report that we did it and, as far as I can tell, we did it well enough that everyone had a great time. For me personally, it ranks right near the top of my running experiences.
If there was one consistent theme with the 200 mile course was long rolling hills and quick down hills. I dont want to speak for everyone, but there really did not seem to be a completely flat or easy leg. All of them had some sort of incline on them.
For me, I had legs 4, 16, and 28. After 28 I was toasted. I had about nothing in my legs and had felt like I had completed a marathon. It was such a different type of running experience for me because the break in between was just enough to refresh my head, but not necessarily refresh my legs completely. By that third leg, lack of sleep, the heat, and just general fatigue finally all hit about the 3rd mile into that leg.
Here is a mini-report for each of my legs:
Leg 4: After a previous night of drinking and not really sleeping well, I really was just starting to feel better by the time Wally (Tri-Man) started us off at 4:15 on Friday afternoon. Thankfully, I was able to get down a bit of something in my stomach. We missed lunch do to a glitch in scheduling so we were all a little drained that first leg. I received the transition at Haven Hill distillery and I was off and running. Overall, it was a decent leg with one killer hill at the very end. Not to worry though as I was welcomed at the top of that hill by the Van 1 receiving party, a stray dog, and an old man walking with a cane, bathrobe (opened), no shirt, all while smoking a cigarette. Quite a fitting end and made me feel a lot better about myself.
I covered this leg of 5.2 miles averaging 7:40 for the entire time.
Leg 16: around 3 in the morning and absolutely jacked to get going. We had eaten a big dinner around 9:30 that evening and all were in much better moods. I took off from the transition, and I was moving (for me anyway) really well. For the first 3 miles I was averaging 7:00 on the dot all on a gradual incline. I was passed twice during this stretch which was strange since I was doing well, but kept going. One of the guys that passed me was on the second place team and they averaged about 6 minute miles the entire race. That is impressive. My leg came to a close at Stanford, KY which was as hospitable of a community as you would ever find. The Community Center had hot chocolate, cookies and bananas for the runners. A complete and other surprise to me and I was very thankful to get that in my belly after a good run.
I covered this leg of 6.5 miles averaging 7:13 for the entire time.
Leg 28: This was the killer. Started at about noon or a little later on Saturday so there was a high sun and no shade where I was going. To be honest, this was the most brutal of legs for me as there was a lot of long rolling hills and nothing to relieve me of the heat. Not much really on this one to report other than the fact that I finished and was very slow. When I cruised into the transition, I almost crawled into the Coroners van that was in the parking lot.
I covered this leg of 7.6 miles averaging 8:40 (I think) for the entire time.
Overall, we had a great team and a great time. It was great to meet everyone and get to know everyone a bit better. I would do it again in a heartbeat if the chance came up again.
My Bourbon Chase Report:
I would never have imagined that bringing in 12 different individuals (From The Internet) together from different parts of the country would have been possible with very few issues. Well I am happy to report that we did it and, as far as I can tell, we did it well enough that everyone had a great time. For me personally, it ranks right near the top of my running experiences.
If there was one consistent theme with the 200 mile course was long rolling hills and quick down hills. I dont want to speak for everyone, but there really did not seem to be a completely flat or easy leg. All of them had some sort of incline on them.
For me, I had legs 4, 16, and 28. After 28 I was toasted. I had about nothing in my legs and had felt like I had completed a marathon. It was such a different type of running experience for me because the break in between was just enough to refresh my head, but not necessarily refresh my legs completely. By that third leg, lack of sleep, the heat, and just general fatigue finally all hit about the 3rd mile into that leg.
Here is a mini-report for each of my legs:
Leg 4: After a previous night of drinking and not really sleeping well, I really was just starting to feel better by the time Wally (Tri-Man) started us off at 4:15 on Friday afternoon. Thankfully, I was able to get down a bit of something in my stomach. We missed lunch do to a glitch in scheduling so we were all a little drained that first leg. I received the transition at Haven Hill distillery and I was off and running. Overall, it was a decent leg with one killer hill at the very end. Not to worry though as I was welcomed at the top of that hill by the Van 1 receiving party, a stray dog, and an old man walking with a cane, bathrobe (opened), no shirt, all while smoking a cigarette. Quite a fitting end and made me feel a lot better about myself.
I covered this leg of 5.2 miles averaging 7:40 for the entire time.
Leg 16: around 3 in the morning and absolutely jacked to get going. We had eaten a big dinner around 9:30 that evening and all were in much better moods. I took off from the transition, and I was moving (for me anyway) really well. For the first 3 miles I was averaging 7:00 on the dot all on a gradual incline. I was passed twice during this stretch which was strange since I was doing well, but kept going. One of the guys that passed me was on the second place team and they averaged about 6 minute miles the entire race. That is impressive. My leg came to a close at Stanford, KY which was as hospitable of a community as you would ever find. The Community Center had hot chocolate, cookies and bananas for the runners. A complete and other surprise to me and I was very thankful to get that in my belly after a good run.
I covered this leg of 6.5 miles averaging 7:13 for the entire time.
Leg 28: This was the killer. Started at about noon or a little later on Saturday so there was a high sun and no shade where I was going. To be honest, this was the most brutal of legs for me as there was a lot of long rolling hills and nothing to relieve me of the heat. Not much really on this one to report other than the fact that I finished and was very slow. When I cruised into the transition, I almost crawled into the Coroners van that was in the parking lot.
I covered this leg of 7.6 miles averaging 8:40 (I think) for the entire time.
Overall, we had a great team and a great time. It was great to meet everyone and get to know everyone a bit better. I would do it again in a heartbeat if the chance came up again.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Looks more like you were following the girl just ahead of tri at the start.Nice...umm...blue shorts
The_Man
Footballguy
Glad you Bourbon guys had such a great time. I remember how much I regretted begging off many months ago -- as it turned out, my family had to go to Boston this weekend for the funeral of my wife's beloved uncle. That sucked, and it would have sucked even more if I had been forced to cancel on you guys at the last minute.
My running schedule has been very sporadic. I'm not putting in very many miles at all, but the individual workouts when I do get them have been great.
I did my first 20-miler of this cycle last weekend (9 days ago) and averaged 8:31 for the distance. Felt so great, that I decided to go for it and do the last 4 miles at Goal Marathon pace - finished 7:43, 7:30, 7:26, 7:25. I think my "official" goal pace is going to be 7:37 for a time of 3:20:00. That will be pretty much halfway between my first marathon finish (3:25:25) and the 3:15 I now need to qualify for Boston.
Then I turned around and didn't run for an entire week. Lame! But on Saturday, I went out for 10, with 8 at GMP (did those in 7:28, 7:33, 7:35, 7:23, 7:25, 7:20, 7:17, and 6:39). Even the recovery mile back home went well with a 7:52 pace. I still have 7 weeks almost to the marathon, so I'm hoping to really kill it with some good mileage over the next 4 weeks, including a pair of 20-milers, before a 3-week taper. Goal weekly mileage targets before starting to taper are: 43, 46, 48, 50.
My running schedule has been very sporadic. I'm not putting in very many miles at all, but the individual workouts when I do get them have been great.
I did my first 20-miler of this cycle last weekend (9 days ago) and averaged 8:31 for the distance. Felt so great, that I decided to go for it and do the last 4 miles at Goal Marathon pace - finished 7:43, 7:30, 7:26, 7:25. I think my "official" goal pace is going to be 7:37 for a time of 3:20:00. That will be pretty much halfway between my first marathon finish (3:25:25) and the 3:15 I now need to qualify for Boston.
Then I turned around and didn't run for an entire week. Lame! But on Saturday, I went out for 10, with 8 at GMP (did those in 7:28, 7:33, 7:35, 7:23, 7:25, 7:20, 7:17, and 6:39). Even the recovery mile back home went well with a 7:52 pace. I still have 7 weeks almost to the marathon, so I'm hoping to really kill it with some good mileage over the next 4 weeks, including a pair of 20-milers, before a 3-week taper. Goal weekly mileage targets before starting to taper are: 43, 46, 48, 50.
The_Man
Footballguy
Freudian slip about what was going on overnight in the back of the van?
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
Fixed it in my original, but yes, we probably did get to see a bit more of everyone than we wanted to.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Checking Garmin, my legs went way before my heart/stamina did:Leg 1, 11:39pm, 7.17 miles, 8:11/mile, elevation gain 631, elevation loss 612 - net gain of 19, average HR 166Leg 2, 8:52am, 5.39 miles, 8:39/mile, elevation gain 363, elevation loss 323 - net gain of 40, average HR 162Leg 3, 5:54pm, 5.21 miles, 8:53/mile, elevation gain 177, elevation loss 177 - net loss of 3, average HR 158I felt every bit of that extra 56' of elevation gain. I am incredibly surprised by the heart rate data. Onlly thing I can figure about the first run is that it was in the dark, cold and I was so amped up from wait so damn long to run.I will also try to put together some kind of RR. In the meantime, I'd be curious to see how everyone's pacing held up throughout the event. Here's mine:10/7 at 7:48 PM: 6.22 miles in 43:23.65 (6:59/mile)10/8 at 5:15 AM: 5.22 miles in 36:03.07 (6:55)10/8 at 1:39 PM: 6.44 miles in 50:10.87 (7:48)Overall 17.88 hilly-### miles at 7:15 average pace, which I honestly faster than I expected for less than 6 days post-marathon. It was probably 30 degrees warmer on my last leg relative to my earlier two, and my hamstring was barking pretty bad at that point.I'm tired as hell today, but overall not a whole lot worse in terms of soreness than I was before the thing started.Overall an awesome, awesome experience.
sho nuff
Footballguy
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Here are my splits during the Chicago Marathon yesterday:
Split Time of day Time Diff Min/mile Miles/h
05K 07:55:27AM 00:23:42 23:42 07:38 7.87
10K 08:18:32AM 00:46:46 23:04 07:26 8.08
15K 08:41:58AM 01:10:12 23:26 07:33 7.96
20K 09:05:37AM 01:33:52 23:40 07:37 7.88
HALF 09:10:49AM 01:39:04 05:12 07:38 7.87
25K 09:29:48AM 01:58:03 18:59 07:50 7.67
30K 09:54:40AM 02:22:55 24:52 08:01 7.50
35K 10:21:01AM 02:49:15 26:20 08:29 7.08
40K 10:48:13AM 03:16:27 27:12 08:46 6.85
Finish 10:59:45AM 03:28:00 11:33 08:28 7.09
3:28 is my second fastest of the 5 marathons I have run. I was hoping for a PR (came short by 2 minutes) but the weather was warmer than ideal and I gave it all I had so I'm not too unhappy with the result.
As you can see, I faded significantly during the second half. This is basically how all my marathons have gone. For the first time, I followed a training schedule (used one of Hal Higdon's) but that didn't help as much as I hoped it would. It had me running more miles than usual but slower. When it came to yesterday, however, I believe the lack of long pace runs did me in. I suppose I'll run another next year but would like a better training schedule. Something with a lot of pace work but, perhaps, not as many miles as the Higdon schedules. Any ideas?
Split Time of day Time Diff Min/mile Miles/h
05K 07:55:27AM 00:23:42 23:42 07:38 7.87
10K 08:18:32AM 00:46:46 23:04 07:26 8.08
15K 08:41:58AM 01:10:12 23:26 07:33 7.96
20K 09:05:37AM 01:33:52 23:40 07:37 7.88
HALF 09:10:49AM 01:39:04 05:12 07:38 7.87
25K 09:29:48AM 01:58:03 18:59 07:50 7.67
30K 09:54:40AM 02:22:55 24:52 08:01 7.50
35K 10:21:01AM 02:49:15 26:20 08:29 7.08
40K 10:48:13AM 03:16:27 27:12 08:46 6.85
Finish 10:59:45AM 03:28:00 11:33 08:28 7.09
3:28 is my second fastest of the 5 marathons I have run. I was hoping for a PR (came short by 2 minutes) but the weather was warmer than ideal and I gave it all I had so I'm not too unhappy with the result.
As you can see, I faded significantly during the second half. This is basically how all my marathons have gone. For the first time, I followed a training schedule (used one of Hal Higdon's) but that didn't help as much as I hoped it would. It had me running more miles than usual but slower. When it came to yesterday, however, I believe the lack of long pace runs did me in. I suppose I'll run another next year but would like a better training schedule. Something with a lot of pace work but, perhaps, not as many miles as the Higdon schedules. Any ideas?
Dexter
Footballguy
Bourbon Chase Report:
Thursday - Met everyone down town for dinner at a retirement home. They put us in a back room so we wouldn't wake the night owls eating dinner at 7pm. I think we were a little too rowdy, but we had fun and who cares if the blue hairs gave us dirty looks as we left. The waiter recommended we go to the pavilion around the corner from some drinks. After hitting a couple of spots we settled in and watched the end of the Tigers and spankyees game. For some reason we made it an early night even though we weren't running until 4:15pm the next day. Oh well, turkish and I went back to the hotel, which BTW was totally worth it. Especially since the next two days were going to suck hard so I was happy to have a real bed.
Friday - Turkish and I wanted to do a couple of bourbon facility tours since we wouldn't have time while doing the race. Well for some reason and I don't know who made this decision, but the schedule was changed. So instead of leaving at 1:30 to the start point (as originally planned) the group wanted to leave at noon so we could eat lunch near the start. Whelp this was a terrible decision since Turkish and I were already at a distillery miles away and didn't get the message until 10:30am. And it cost Van 1 from eating a good lunch since by the time we made it to the camp site it was past 12:30. It would have been better to stick to the plan get lunch in the area and then leave for the start. Oh well, lesson learned.
I joined the rest of the team in Van2 (Sand, Darrin, Turkish, 2y2B, 2y2b BIL and myself) and we headed out to the start, Jim Beam. After getting lost, eating breakfast and stopping at Walmart for supplies we made it to the start. I ended up buying a nice bottle of bourbon had a couple of samples and grabbed as much swag as possible including (arm bands, shot glass, string backpack) and I bought a sweater. I did some lunges with our tri-man, took some photos and waited for the start. Once the race started Van2 drove to the exchange point at makers mark.
For me and I can't speak for everyone, but the time spent as the "off van" went by sloooooow.
Makers Mark - This is where van2 picked up our registration material. We checked out the facility and I bought a bottle of Makers Mark 46 and I got to dip the top in the red wax which was very cool. I have to say of the all the distilleries we hit Makers Mark was the best. After the had off Van2 officially became active around 7:30-8pm
I was runner #9 or third runner in Van2. So my first run wasn't until 9:30-10 in the dark. I started in down town Lebanon, KY. After a couple of turns the majority of my leg was straight and what felt like up hill the whole way. It was very cool running under the Kentucky sky at night. No clouds and you could see the stars perfectly. After my run I dried off had some water and it was off to finish the rest of Van2s legs.
We handed off to van1 just after 1am. we drove to a local high school who opened their doors to runners for a donations of $5. After a hot shower and some hot chocolate provided by the school I tried to get some shut eye.
Believe it or not but this was the worst part of this whole journey. Trying to sleep in the front passenger seat knowing I still have to run 2 more times and I will have to be up at 4:30-5am. In retrospect I would have brought a small 1 person tent and camped out side. Also because the van will only sleep 5 Turkish was the odd man out and slept on the floor of the gym where a bunch of other runners crashed. After waking up Sand and I spent 15 minutes looking for turkish who complained about the floor later sure was out cold when we found him. I don't remember the van hand off to become active again, all I do remember is we were back at it.
My next run started in another small town and was a straight shot down a 4 lane highway at 6:30 in the morning. It was still dark outside, but the sun came up half way through my run which was awesome. I could see the farms on either side of me and it was just beautiful.
The next transition took place at Four Roses. A very beautiful distillery with Spanish looking buildings. We handed off to Van2 and were off for lunch and another stop at Walmart to pick up more supplies. We dined at a place called Stinkys. I had to call twice to find the place because they don't have a sign above the diner. I got 2 coneys and only ate one. They were disappointing, but the Burgers Sand and Turkish ordered looked fantastic.
Van2 became active for our final legs and while my 3rd and final leg was the hardest (5 miles) during the hottest part of the day with little to no shade it was my favorite. I ran near to a bunch of horse farms and into a town that looked like it was having a party. I'm sad to say I didn't get a chance to check out the festivities since we had to move on.
The whole team met in downtown Lexington to run the last 100 feet with Turkish. We got our medals, took a picture and got screwed out of the tasting event. When we walked up they told us it was closed. after some arguing they gave us 2 choices 1. take a ticket they would give us down stairs for one drink or get 15 minutes in the tasting even. I chose the tasting event. This would be a bad choice. After being awake for 2 day dehydration and pounding a bunch of samples I was feeling good and drunk. Knowing I would have to drive in a few hours I cut myself off and started pounding the water. The kicked us out of the festival so we went to swayers for some food. Half the crew went to the pavilion and the rest of us drove back to camp. I gathered my and Turkish gear (who was still down town with no id or money and still in his running gear) from the van and drove back downtown. to meet everyone who was still parting. I grabbed Turkish so he could change and on our way back we met some nice people and started bar hoping. We say a bouncer beat the hell out of a dude closed 2 bars and made it back to our hotel at 3:30am.
There's so much more to tell, but I've rambled on enough. Let me just add it was amazing the coordination and logistics that was put into this effort. I want to thank everyone who was involved.
Thursday - Met everyone down town for dinner at a retirement home. They put us in a back room so we wouldn't wake the night owls eating dinner at 7pm. I think we were a little too rowdy, but we had fun and who cares if the blue hairs gave us dirty looks as we left. The waiter recommended we go to the pavilion around the corner from some drinks. After hitting a couple of spots we settled in and watched the end of the Tigers and spankyees game. For some reason we made it an early night even though we weren't running until 4:15pm the next day. Oh well, turkish and I went back to the hotel, which BTW was totally worth it. Especially since the next two days were going to suck hard so I was happy to have a real bed.
Friday - Turkish and I wanted to do a couple of bourbon facility tours since we wouldn't have time while doing the race. Well for some reason and I don't know who made this decision, but the schedule was changed. So instead of leaving at 1:30 to the start point (as originally planned) the group wanted to leave at noon so we could eat lunch near the start. Whelp this was a terrible decision since Turkish and I were already at a distillery miles away and didn't get the message until 10:30am. And it cost Van 1 from eating a good lunch since by the time we made it to the camp site it was past 12:30. It would have been better to stick to the plan get lunch in the area and then leave for the start. Oh well, lesson learned.
I joined the rest of the team in Van2 (Sand, Darrin, Turkish, 2y2B, 2y2b BIL and myself) and we headed out to the start, Jim Beam. After getting lost, eating breakfast and stopping at Walmart for supplies we made it to the start. I ended up buying a nice bottle of bourbon had a couple of samples and grabbed as much swag as possible including (arm bands, shot glass, string backpack) and I bought a sweater. I did some lunges with our tri-man, took some photos and waited for the start. Once the race started Van2 drove to the exchange point at makers mark.
For me and I can't speak for everyone, but the time spent as the "off van" went by sloooooow.
Makers Mark - This is where van2 picked up our registration material. We checked out the facility and I bought a bottle of Makers Mark 46 and I got to dip the top in the red wax which was very cool. I have to say of the all the distilleries we hit Makers Mark was the best. After the had off Van2 officially became active around 7:30-8pm
I was runner #9 or third runner in Van2. So my first run wasn't until 9:30-10 in the dark. I started in down town Lebanon, KY. After a couple of turns the majority of my leg was straight and what felt like up hill the whole way. It was very cool running under the Kentucky sky at night. No clouds and you could see the stars perfectly. After my run I dried off had some water and it was off to finish the rest of Van2s legs.
We handed off to van1 just after 1am. we drove to a local high school who opened their doors to runners for a donations of $5. After a hot shower and some hot chocolate provided by the school I tried to get some shut eye.
Believe it or not but this was the worst part of this whole journey. Trying to sleep in the front passenger seat knowing I still have to run 2 more times and I will have to be up at 4:30-5am. In retrospect I would have brought a small 1 person tent and camped out side. Also because the van will only sleep 5 Turkish was the odd man out and slept on the floor of the gym where a bunch of other runners crashed. After waking up Sand and I spent 15 minutes looking for turkish who complained about the floor later sure was out cold when we found him. I don't remember the van hand off to become active again, all I do remember is we were back at it.
My next run started in another small town and was a straight shot down a 4 lane highway at 6:30 in the morning. It was still dark outside, but the sun came up half way through my run which was awesome. I could see the farms on either side of me and it was just beautiful.
The next transition took place at Four Roses. A very beautiful distillery with Spanish looking buildings. We handed off to Van2 and were off for lunch and another stop at Walmart to pick up more supplies. We dined at a place called Stinkys. I had to call twice to find the place because they don't have a sign above the diner. I got 2 coneys and only ate one. They were disappointing, but the Burgers Sand and Turkish ordered looked fantastic.
Van2 became active for our final legs and while my 3rd and final leg was the hardest (5 miles) during the hottest part of the day with little to no shade it was my favorite. I ran near to a bunch of horse farms and into a town that looked like it was having a party. I'm sad to say I didn't get a chance to check out the festivities since we had to move on.
The whole team met in downtown Lexington to run the last 100 feet with Turkish. We got our medals, took a picture and got screwed out of the tasting event. When we walked up they told us it was closed. after some arguing they gave us 2 choices 1. take a ticket they would give us down stairs for one drink or get 15 minutes in the tasting even. I chose the tasting event. This would be a bad choice. After being awake for 2 day dehydration and pounding a bunch of samples I was feeling good and drunk. Knowing I would have to drive in a few hours I cut myself off and started pounding the water. The kicked us out of the festival so we went to swayers for some food. Half the crew went to the pavilion and the rest of us drove back to camp. I gathered my and Turkish gear (who was still down town with no id or money and still in his running gear) from the van and drove back downtown. to meet everyone who was still parting. I grabbed Turkish so he could change and on our way back we met some nice people and started bar hoping. We say a bouncer beat the hell out of a dude closed 2 bars and made it back to our hotel at 3:30am.
There's so much more to tell, but I've rambled on enough. Let me just add it was amazing the coordination and logistics that was put into this effort. I want to thank everyone who was involved.
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Sand
Footballguy
I'm not even close to qualified to talk about marathon training, but I can say that 3:28 is a spectacular time. Congrats!
gruecd
Footballguy
You're not fading at the end because of too little pace work. You're fading because you don't yet have an adequate base. Building one requires a lot of miles at an appropriate long run pace, which would be somewhere between 8:22-9:22 for you. You'll still do a few designated runs at marathon pace or faster, but I can virtually assure you that the solution for you is not reducing mileage. Pick up this book and read it cover to cover.I hope that helps. Great job in less-than-ideal conditions yesterday!
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Thank you. I had some money left over from an Amazon gift card so I just ordered the book. You obviously know what you're talking about and the experts all seem to say similar things. Just curious, what are your opinions on the Hal Higdon schedules?. I basically did the Advanced 1 program but without hill training (substituted extra interval and tempo runs).
wraith5
Footballguy
What an amazing experience.
I don't think I've stressed my body that much before in my entire life. And that was just the Tanqueray and tonics I drank all night on Thursday... nevermind no sleep and running 3 times on a very hilly course within 24 hours. Yet for all of the time I spent feeling absolutely lousy (and the rockin' bronchitis-like respitory illness that has now fully set in), I would do it again in a heartbeat (with a few modifications due to lessons learned, of course).
The entire team was awesome, and I am so honored that I got to be a part of it. Thank you to every single one of you.
... and if I never hear Adele "Someone Like You" again, I'll be pretty OK with it...
Full race report tonight.
I don't think I've stressed my body that much before in my entire life. And that was just the Tanqueray and tonics I drank all night on Thursday... nevermind no sleep and running 3 times on a very hilly course within 24 hours. Yet for all of the time I spent feeling absolutely lousy (and the rockin' bronchitis-like respitory illness that has now fully set in), I would do it again in a heartbeat (with a few modifications due to lessons learned, of course).
The entire team was awesome, and I am so honored that I got to be a part of it. Thank you to every single one of you.
... and if I never hear Adele "Someone Like You" again, I'll be pretty OK with it...
Full race report tonight.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Yea, those were all taken accidentally while I was clapping and cheering on other runners. I just forgot to delete them before uploading the pictures, my bad.
The_Man
Footballguy
That one was my favorite, too. Outstanding work!
gruecd
Footballguy
I think they're fine for getting started, but once you're looking to make real improvements, most people I know either use Pfitz or Brad Hudson.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Jux - congratulations!!! It was a tough day for racing, so good job at hanging tough to the end. I've used the Higdon schedules and have found them to work fine. I really like the sequence of a solid tempo run on Saturdays followed by the long, slow run on Sunday (on tired legs). I did try to get in some hill work, which I believe was very helpful. I also tried to push my mileage up. For my double marathon sequence this past spring, I had a number of 60+ mile weeks, and I also pushed some long runs to 21-22 miles. Getting in that extra weekly and long run mileage was also helpful. I found it interesting that nine days before Boston, I did a 5K (to get back into race mode), and ran it faster than a targeted 5K the previous fall. It was really all about the strength and conditioning due to the mileage.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Thanks again. In retrospect, that's the opinion of Higdon I have too. It would have been fine if this was one of my first marathons but at a certain level it really gets tough to improve. Hopefully this book will give me better idea on what I should do.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Yeah, pushing the mileage up would probably have been a good idea. Thanks.I would have loved to do the hill work, but living in the Chicago suburbs I am geographically challenged.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
Which suburb? I'm in Oak Park, and sometimes drive further out to find some hillier routes. E.g., the 9 1/2 mile route (Waterfall Glen) around Argonne has some good rollers and one nice 1/2 mile climb. That's a great, gravel path for long runs (or 9-12 mile tempo runs).'Juxtatarot said:
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Bourbon Chase race report
All in all, I didn't have it too bad - a tough first leg and then two modest routes, though I had net elevation gains on all of them.
Leg 1 - 4:15 p.m. Length of 7.1 miles. Net elevation gain of 197 feet (279 up; 102 down). Overall pace: 7:34/mile in some mid-80 temps. It was a thrill to get the show started. The first mile out of the distillery was a steep downhill, then uphill to the main road. The next two miles were a steady climb up, with the last half-mile of that getting rather steep. The final four miles just rolled up and down. My predicted pace for the race was 7:25, so I was trying to stay close to that. Doing so made this a very hard run.
Leg 2 - 1:30 a.m. Length of 4.3 miles. Net elevation gain of 90 feet (180 up; 90 down). Overall pace: 7:13/mile in the cool (55 degree) nighttime air. Very neat to run at night. The rest of the team had grabbed some dinner around 9 pm, but I didn't dare fill the gut, so I eaten a quick PB&J, and used their dinner break to rest in the van. The route was a straight shot down a wide road, so I could see an occasional runner stretched out in front of me, and I managed to pick off five of them. Fortunately, most of the elevation gain came at the start when my legs were still rather fresh.
Leg 3 - 11:35 a.m. Length of 4.7 miles. Net elevation gain of 65 feet (215 up; 150 down). Overall pace: Another 7:13/mile as the day was heating up again. I had eaten another quick sandwich after our leg 2 cycle, and we grabbed maybe an hour of sleep. I generally felt good, but my legs were certainly feeling sluggish. Waiting for turkish harem to arrive, I watched two slower guys from other teams head out. By the time TH did the handoff, those two were 7 and 8 minutes in front of me. Game on. I couldn't get a good leg rotation going for the first mile, so I quick-stepped the pace until they loosened up. About 2 miles in, I crested an incline and saw the two guys out in the distance. I worked the pace and stayed calm, and by mile 4 I was able to pass them. I have no idea how I held this pace at this point in the relay.
So the running went well! It was fun to be targeting "kills" during each leg. I certainly enjoyed seeing the Kentucky countryside and the small towns along the way. And of course, it was fun hanging out with the guys. I'm still uber-impressed that liquors drove in for some of the fun.
All in all, I didn't have it too bad - a tough first leg and then two modest routes, though I had net elevation gains on all of them.
Leg 1 - 4:15 p.m. Length of 7.1 miles. Net elevation gain of 197 feet (279 up; 102 down). Overall pace: 7:34/mile in some mid-80 temps. It was a thrill to get the show started. The first mile out of the distillery was a steep downhill, then uphill to the main road. The next two miles were a steady climb up, with the last half-mile of that getting rather steep. The final four miles just rolled up and down. My predicted pace for the race was 7:25, so I was trying to stay close to that. Doing so made this a very hard run.
Leg 2 - 1:30 a.m. Length of 4.3 miles. Net elevation gain of 90 feet (180 up; 90 down). Overall pace: 7:13/mile in the cool (55 degree) nighttime air. Very neat to run at night. The rest of the team had grabbed some dinner around 9 pm, but I didn't dare fill the gut, so I eaten a quick PB&J, and used their dinner break to rest in the van. The route was a straight shot down a wide road, so I could see an occasional runner stretched out in front of me, and I managed to pick off five of them. Fortunately, most of the elevation gain came at the start when my legs were still rather fresh.
Leg 3 - 11:35 a.m. Length of 4.7 miles. Net elevation gain of 65 feet (215 up; 150 down). Overall pace: Another 7:13/mile as the day was heating up again. I had eaten another quick sandwich after our leg 2 cycle, and we grabbed maybe an hour of sleep. I generally felt good, but my legs were certainly feeling sluggish. Waiting for turkish harem to arrive, I watched two slower guys from other teams head out. By the time TH did the handoff, those two were 7 and 8 minutes in front of me. Game on. I couldn't get a good leg rotation going for the first mile, so I quick-stepped the pace until they loosened up. About 2 miles in, I crested an incline and saw the two guys out in the distance. I worked the pace and stayed calm, and by mile 4 I was able to pass them. I have no idea how I held this pace at this point in the relay.
So the running went well! It was fun to be targeting "kills" during each leg. I certainly enjoyed seeing the Kentucky countryside and the small towns along the way. And of course, it was fun hanging out with the guys. I'm still uber-impressed that liquors drove in for some of the fun.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Downers Grove. I have run Waterfall Glen several times. I agree that the hills make for a nice change but I've never tried running hill repeats there like the Higdon plan suggests.
Had an interesting training run today that will read more like a race report. On tap was a 2 hour trail run which included gravel roads so I didn't have to drive. Nice cool 50 degree day at 4500 ft with the leaves at peak.
It's about a 1/2 mile of gravel road before I hit the trail head. From there it's 1.5 miles downhill. The last 6/10's is through a gorge where you lose 500 ft over that span. I was running the upper portion which is very rocky well. The last .6 was more shuffling and walking as it's like going down steps. From there it is onto a gravel road for 2.5 miles which climbs back up the 750 ft I lost. During this stretch I jumped a grouse and later saw a flock of 8 turkeys. I turned around after 57 minutes knowing the route back would be tough. The downhill was wicked fast as I was almost sprinting, but the gps was must have been hit and miss as I only recorded a 9:30 mile that should have been 7.5 to 8 min. Ate a bar on the downhill but didn't bother with water today.
Back into the gorge and it was basically a fast paced hike that turned into slow walk. About halfway up I got the bright idea to get some water from the creek. Basically this is a 2 to 4 inch deep creek that plummets down smooth rocks. Picture you local water park slide for 20-50 sections and then a 2-5 foot drop and then rinse and repeat. I know better than to trek onto wet rocks, but my Roclites resemble cleats. I leaned over to dip my hand into a small waterfall and my feet on dry rock came out from underneath me like I was on ice. Next thing you you I'm flying down one of the slides on my back until I crashed into some rocks at a 90 degree bend. Thnak goodness for that or it could have been a 1/4 mile plunge down the gorge over several falls. Bang my elbow pretty good here. I crawled out of the creek ending up on the opposite side of the creek from the trail. WOW, I'm screwed. I don't dare wade across. Normally I would jump, but in these shoes I need to find a place where there other side is flat and dry. Behind me is a 45 degree hill with a wall of mountain laurel about 10 feet tall. My only option was to crawl up the edge of the rock bank and using the laurel as hand holds. I not sure how far I went like this until I found a crossable spot but it seemed like quite a ways. Finish the hike out of the gorge and got back to the trail home.
About a 1/4 mile from home I see a lady on her front deck so I wave. She's about 20 yards away and then I do a double take. There's a deer about 8 yards from me in between us. The deer never moved and just looked at me.
It's about a 1/2 mile of gravel road before I hit the trail head. From there it's 1.5 miles downhill. The last 6/10's is through a gorge where you lose 500 ft over that span. I was running the upper portion which is very rocky well. The last .6 was more shuffling and walking as it's like going down steps. From there it is onto a gravel road for 2.5 miles which climbs back up the 750 ft I lost. During this stretch I jumped a grouse and later saw a flock of 8 turkeys. I turned around after 57 minutes knowing the route back would be tough. The downhill was wicked fast as I was almost sprinting, but the gps was must have been hit and miss as I only recorded a 9:30 mile that should have been 7.5 to 8 min. Ate a bar on the downhill but didn't bother with water today.
Back into the gorge and it was basically a fast paced hike that turned into slow walk. About halfway up I got the bright idea to get some water from the creek. Basically this is a 2 to 4 inch deep creek that plummets down smooth rocks. Picture you local water park slide for 20-50 sections and then a 2-5 foot drop and then rinse and repeat. I know better than to trek onto wet rocks, but my Roclites resemble cleats. I leaned over to dip my hand into a small waterfall and my feet on dry rock came out from underneath me like I was on ice. Next thing you you I'm flying down one of the slides on my back until I crashed into some rocks at a 90 degree bend. Thnak goodness for that or it could have been a 1/4 mile plunge down the gorge over several falls. Bang my elbow pretty good here. I crawled out of the creek ending up on the opposite side of the creek from the trail. WOW, I'm screwed. I don't dare wade across. Normally I would jump, but in these shoes I need to find a place where there other side is flat and dry. Behind me is a 45 degree hill with a wall of mountain laurel about 10 feet tall. My only option was to crawl up the edge of the rock bank and using the laurel as hand holds. I not sure how far I went like this until I found a crossable spot but it seemed like quite a ways. Finish the hike out of the gorge and got back to the trail home.
About a 1/4 mile from home I see a lady on her front deck so I wave. She's about 20 yards away and then I do a double take. There's a deer about 8 yards from me in between us. The deer never moved and just looked at me.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Kudos to the Bourbon Chase runners. Sounds like it was a blast. I wish I could have gone but family obligations this past weekend and my marathon this coming weekend just made it impossible.
MY UPDATE:
I sit now 5 days out from my marathon (Baltimore).
Gotta bang out an easy 4 tomorrow morning. My final run before I do 2 miles the day before the big race.
I've arranged a work trip so I will be staying in Philadelphia on Thursday night which is just 2 hours to Baltimore which I'll get done on Friday AM. Leaving me some time to check out the expo and the aquarium with the kids. Get to bed early Friday night for the 8 a.m. start on Saturday.
Weather forecast is 69 degrees and mostly sunny.
Of course, now is when you question your training and whether you did enough and I do worry I didn't. I felt like my training in the last 5 weeks really stumbled....partially due to crazy work/family schedule and partially because I burnt out a little bit. It will be interesting to see if/how that impacts race day.
MY UPDATE:
I sit now 5 days out from my marathon (Baltimore).
Gotta bang out an easy 4 tomorrow morning. My final run before I do 2 miles the day before the big race.
I've arranged a work trip so I will be staying in Philadelphia on Thursday night which is just 2 hours to Baltimore which I'll get done on Friday AM. Leaving me some time to check out the expo and the aquarium with the kids. Get to bed early Friday night for the 8 a.m. start on Saturday.
Weather forecast is 69 degrees and mostly sunny.
Of course, now is when you question your training and whether you did enough and I do worry I didn't. I felt like my training in the last 5 weeks really stumbled....partially due to crazy work/family schedule and partially because I burnt out a little bit. It will be interesting to see if/how that impacts race day.
I'll be rooting for you. Have a great event.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Juxtatrot- I hope to have 1/2 the success you had. That is a nicely run race.
BnB- Are you giving me a run for my money? Doing dumb things is my shtick around here. Glad you are ok. Sounds like you saw lots of nice stuff. I would bring some water next time.
Steelcurtain- Good luck, I will be rooting for you. You should do fine. You have put the time in. Now enjoy the race. Is this your first?
All bourbon guys- I am jealous of your trip. Sounds like it was a blast. For the guys who went into makers mark still- Did they explain the deal with the wax/plastic that is dripped on the cap? Why is that done?
I hope to have 1/2 the success you had. That is a nicely run race.BnB- Are you giving me a run for my money? Doing dumb things is my shtick around here. Glad you are ok. Sounds like you saw lots of nice stuff. I would bring some water next time.
Steelcurtain- Good luck, I will be rooting for you. You should do fine. You have put the time in. Now enjoy the race. Is this your first?
All bourbon guys- I am jealous of your trip. Sounds like it was a blast. For the guys who went into makers mark still- Did they explain the deal with the wax/plastic that is dripped on the cap? Why is that done?
wraith5
Footballguy
Congrats on the race, Juxtatarot! I'm in Palatine, and generally say the same thing about finding hills - but they are out there if you're willing to go looking for them.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Just go to ####### Kentucky, plenty of ####### hills there.
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Dexter
Footballguy
It's to seal the bottle. Also I was able to dip the bottle I bought there myself.Juxtatrot-
BnB- Are you giving me a run for my money? Doing dumb things is my shtick around here. Glad you are ok. Sounds like you saw lots of nice stuff. I would bring some water next time.
Steelcurtain- Good luck, I will be rooting for you. You should do fine. You have put the time in. Now enjoy the race. Is this your first?
All bourbon guys- I am jealous of your trip. Sounds like it was a blast. For the guys who went into makers mark still- Did they explain the deal with the wax/plastic that is dripped on the cap? Why is that done?
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Aren't all bottles sealed? Is it supposed to be a better seal or is it a marketing thing?When you dipped yours (which is pretty fn cool) did it harden the way the bottles in the store do? I always thought that was plastic meant to look like wax.It's to seal the bottle. Also I was able to dip the bottle I bought there myself.Juxtatrot-
BnB- Are you giving me a run for my money? Doing dumb things is my shtick around here. Glad you are ok. Sounds like you saw lots of nice stuff. I would bring some water next time.
Steelcurtain- Good luck, I will be rooting for you. You should do fine. You have put the time in. Now enjoy the race. Is this your first?
All bourbon guys- I am jealous of your trip. Sounds like it was a blast. For the guys who went into makers mark still- Did they explain the deal with the wax/plastic that is dripped on the cap? Why is that done?
Dexter
Footballguy
Bottles are sealed, but MM bottles are more so corked so they are not completely air tight. Yes the wax looks exactly like a bottle you would buy in the store.Aren't all bottles sealed? Is it supposed to be a better seal or is it a marketing thing?When you dipped yours (which is pretty fn cool) did it harden the way the bottles in the store do? I always thought that was plastic meant to look like wax.It's to seal the bottle. Also I was able to dip the bottle I bought there myself.Juxtatrot-
BnB- Are you giving me a run for my money? Doing dumb things is my shtick around here. Glad you are ok. Sounds like you saw lots of nice stuff. I would bring some water next time.
Steelcurtain- Good luck, I will be rooting for you. You should do fine. You have put the time in. Now enjoy the race. Is this your first?
All bourbon guys- I am jealous of your trip. Sounds like it was a blast. For the guys who went into makers mark still- Did they explain the deal with the wax/plastic that is dripped on the cap? Why is that done?
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Bottles are sealed, but MM bottles are more so corked so they are not completely air tight. Yes the wax looks exactly like a bottle you would buy in the store.Aren't all bottles sealed? Is it supposed to be a better seal or is it a marketing thing?When you dipped yours (which is pretty fn cool) did it harden the way the bottles in the store do? I always thought that was plastic meant to look like wax.It's to seal the bottle. Also I was able to dip the bottle I bought there myself.Juxtatrot-
BnB- Are you giving me a run for my money? Doing dumb things is my shtick around here. Glad you are ok. Sounds like you saw lots of nice stuff. I would bring some water next time.
Steelcurtain- Good luck, I will be rooting for you. You should do fine. You have put the time in. Now enjoy the race. Is this your first?
All bourbon guys- I am jealous of your trip. Sounds like it was a blast. For the guys who went into makers mark still- Did they explain the deal with the wax/plastic that is dripped on the cap? Why is that done?
cool
Sand
Footballguy
Bourbon Race Report:
What a weekend. Darrin came into town on Wednesday afternoon and we took off early Thursday for Lexington. After a long drive we were the first to arrive at Wraith's mom's house. His mom is awesome - she showed us the place and educated me on horses for a while (beautiful animals she has). We stayed in the barn - which had AC, kitchen, bathroom, Directv, etc. I like barns.
As I didn't know any of this group in person I was a tad worried about personalities/serial killers/meth addicts/etc. Once 2Y and Idaho Chad showed, though, my fears were completely gone. Great guys. It got even better when Dexter and Turkish showed. I don't know what it was like in Van 1, but I don't think it is possible that they had more fun than we did. A great group of guys that I would hang out with again anytime.
The guys from Van 1 started filtering in a bit later - Wraith, Gru, and Wally showed a couple hours after we got there. All three scholars and gentlemen. The Phirmans came in the next morning. Sadly I didn't get as much of a chance to hang out with them as I would have liked as they left shortly after we finished the race for a bachelor party. Two good guys, though.
The morning of the race we had a huge breakfast courtesy of Wraith and Gru. We packed up, took some pictures, and headed off. A few hours later we cheered heartily as we watched tri-man smoke the rest of the runners that were running with us.
Now, for the
part of the report:
I was runner 10. I ran 20.7 miles for the Chase. This is, by far, the longest I have run in a day. I was worried about holding up, particularly since the hardest leg was the last one. I really wanted to hold my own in this crowd.
Leg 10 - Springfield, KY: 7.28 miles, 7:28/mile pace (7:03 grade corrected pace). 530 feet of climbing with a slight overall uphill. HR=172. I started at 10:30 or so for my first night run. This was actually the hilliest of the runs, but they tended to be what I was used to - a bit shorter and punchier than what I ran later. And I was fresh. Dexter handed off and I tore off into the distance. I saw very few people on this run with the exception of one person that was a quarter mile ahead and I never could catch and one girl that I reeled in and caught very close to the finish. One big, steep hill that hurt pretty good; the excellent corollary to this was that the finish was the long 3% downgrade for almost a mile. I flew. The interesting part of this run was there was a distinct thermocline going - I'd be running in 55 degree weather and when I hit the bottom of a downhill the temperature would drop at least 15 degrees and I was blowing steam everywhere. Awesome. Handed off to 2Y and headed into the van. 1 net kill.
Overall a good effort and pretty close to the right effort I wanted. 7 minute mile effort was perfect.
Leg 22 - Salvisa, KY: 5.05 miles, 7:15/mile pace (7:02 grade corrected pace). 200ft of climbing with a slight overall downhill. HR=169. Again Dexter sprinted up, my adrenaline spiked, and I took off. I was really looking forward to this leg. Slight downhill, shortest distance, at dawn with beautiful scenery, nice and cool. I made the last second decision to go shirtless - good choice as I was pretty comfortable the whole run. The hills here went on forever - up and down. I did, however, actually get a .25 mile straightaway here. That was the only one I got the whole Chase. I wore brand new shoes (now line from Brooks that just came out) and they were awesome. I felt like I really put out a good effort here. I paced well and had an effort equal to the first leg. Considering I was running on 1 hour of sleep and a hard race pace earlier this was a good result. 0 net kills - passed a run/walker and got torched by a guy doing something well under 6:30 miles.
Leg 34 - Midway, KY: 8.2 miles, 8:07/mile pace (7:41 grade corrected pace). 500 ft of climbing with a decent overall uphill. HR=pegged/beyond pegged. This was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I knew it was going to be tough - the temperature when I ran (3:30 or so) was well over 80 on the roads and this was the longest run I had. Legs were toast before I started. A cocktail of gatorade and acetaminophen was the order of the day. I even want antisocial for a bit (sorry 2Y - I wasn't intentionally tuning you out) to listen to some pump up music. Dexter kicked ### on his last leg and handed off to me. Adrenaline again - I torched the first mile in 7:16 (yeah, yeah, you knew this was coming). Dexter, you'll have to forgive me if my adrenaline spikes the next time I see you - Pavlovian response.
Because this was such a long, hot leg the guys pulled off at about 3.5 miles and handed off a cold water. Mana from heaven - I don't know if I would have made it without that. I was slowing a bit but still doing well through mile 4 when the road turned up.
Mile 4 started to get tough, but at mile 5 the torture started. The road turned way up and never let up from there. After the hill the last 3 miles were ~8 small rollers going up and down 40 feet or so each. I can't describe how demoralizing these were - my HR was beyond pegged, my legs were numb, and it was just one ####### hill after the other. The only thing that really kept me going were the other runners that were quitting and walking the hills. No ####### way I was walking a step of this race. I chewed people up and ended up with 8 net kills on the leg. Despite all that I was conflicted when I knew it was about to end - the Chase was almost over for me. Over the last quarter mile I turned it up as high as my body would allow and chugged in at 7:28 pace and handed off to 2Y. I was so tired at that point I couldn't even straighten out the baton for him - it ended up in a small ball. I just didn't have anything left. After the run I came perilously close to keeling over and staggered around for a bit until I could climb into the van (and even then I had a hard time getting up the step). My Chase running was over. I left it all out there, though, and that is what I had set out to do.
We drove into Lexington and did the team finish thing. I felt surprisingly accomplished in running across the finish line. What a great day and a huge effort by all involved. I know folks left everything out there - Gru 1 week post marathon, 2Y running on crushed ankles, Randy on a bum knee, and Chad running up the steepest hill in the Chase (by far) with a calf held together by tape, string, and glue. Beasts all.
I can't continue writing a book here, though I could go on for a while. Suffice it to say that all my Chase teammates are more than welcome at my place anytime. I had a blast and can't thank the group enough for the experience.
What a weekend. Darrin came into town on Wednesday afternoon and we took off early Thursday for Lexington. After a long drive we were the first to arrive at Wraith's mom's house. His mom is awesome - she showed us the place and educated me on horses for a while (beautiful animals she has). We stayed in the barn - which had AC, kitchen, bathroom, Directv, etc. I like barns.
As I didn't know any of this group in person I was a tad worried about personalities/serial killers/meth addicts/etc. Once 2Y and Idaho Chad showed, though, my fears were completely gone. Great guys. It got even better when Dexter and Turkish showed. I don't know what it was like in Van 1, but I don't think it is possible that they had more fun than we did. A great group of guys that I would hang out with again anytime.
The guys from Van 1 started filtering in a bit later - Wraith, Gru, and Wally showed a couple hours after we got there. All three scholars and gentlemen. The Phirmans came in the next morning. Sadly I didn't get as much of a chance to hang out with them as I would have liked as they left shortly after we finished the race for a bachelor party. Two good guys, though.
The morning of the race we had a huge breakfast courtesy of Wraith and Gru. We packed up, took some pictures, and headed off. A few hours later we cheered heartily as we watched tri-man smoke the rest of the runners that were running with us.
Now, for the
part of the report:I was runner 10. I ran 20.7 miles for the Chase. This is, by far, the longest I have run in a day. I was worried about holding up, particularly since the hardest leg was the last one. I really wanted to hold my own in this crowd.
Leg 10 - Springfield, KY: 7.28 miles, 7:28/mile pace (7:03 grade corrected pace). 530 feet of climbing with a slight overall uphill. HR=172. I started at 10:30 or so for my first night run. This was actually the hilliest of the runs, but they tended to be what I was used to - a bit shorter and punchier than what I ran later. And I was fresh. Dexter handed off and I tore off into the distance. I saw very few people on this run with the exception of one person that was a quarter mile ahead and I never could catch and one girl that I reeled in and caught very close to the finish. One big, steep hill that hurt pretty good; the excellent corollary to this was that the finish was the long 3% downgrade for almost a mile. I flew. The interesting part of this run was there was a distinct thermocline going - I'd be running in 55 degree weather and when I hit the bottom of a downhill the temperature would drop at least 15 degrees and I was blowing steam everywhere. Awesome. Handed off to 2Y and headed into the van. 1 net kill.
Overall a good effort and pretty close to the right effort I wanted. 7 minute mile effort was perfect.
Leg 22 - Salvisa, KY: 5.05 miles, 7:15/mile pace (7:02 grade corrected pace). 200ft of climbing with a slight overall downhill. HR=169. Again Dexter sprinted up, my adrenaline spiked, and I took off. I was really looking forward to this leg. Slight downhill, shortest distance, at dawn with beautiful scenery, nice and cool. I made the last second decision to go shirtless - good choice as I was pretty comfortable the whole run. The hills here went on forever - up and down. I did, however, actually get a .25 mile straightaway here. That was the only one I got the whole Chase. I wore brand new shoes (now line from Brooks that just came out) and they were awesome. I felt like I really put out a good effort here. I paced well and had an effort equal to the first leg. Considering I was running on 1 hour of sleep and a hard race pace earlier this was a good result. 0 net kills - passed a run/walker and got torched by a guy doing something well under 6:30 miles.
Leg 34 - Midway, KY: 8.2 miles, 8:07/mile pace (7:41 grade corrected pace). 500 ft of climbing with a decent overall uphill. HR=pegged/beyond pegged. This was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I knew it was going to be tough - the temperature when I ran (3:30 or so) was well over 80 on the roads and this was the longest run I had. Legs were toast before I started. A cocktail of gatorade and acetaminophen was the order of the day. I even want antisocial for a bit (sorry 2Y - I wasn't intentionally tuning you out) to listen to some pump up music. Dexter kicked ### on his last leg and handed off to me. Adrenaline again - I torched the first mile in 7:16 (yeah, yeah, you knew this was coming). Dexter, you'll have to forgive me if my adrenaline spikes the next time I see you - Pavlovian response.
Because this was such a long, hot leg the guys pulled off at about 3.5 miles and handed off a cold water. Mana from heaven - I don't know if I would have made it without that. I was slowing a bit but still doing well through mile 4 when the road turned up.Mile 4 started to get tough, but at mile 5 the torture started. The road turned way up and never let up from there. After the hill the last 3 miles were ~8 small rollers going up and down 40 feet or so each. I can't describe how demoralizing these were - my HR was beyond pegged, my legs were numb, and it was just one ####### hill after the other. The only thing that really kept me going were the other runners that were quitting and walking the hills. No ####### way I was walking a step of this race. I chewed people up and ended up with 8 net kills on the leg. Despite all that I was conflicted when I knew it was about to end - the Chase was almost over for me. Over the last quarter mile I turned it up as high as my body would allow and chugged in at 7:28 pace and handed off to 2Y. I was so tired at that point I couldn't even straighten out the baton for him - it ended up in a small ball. I just didn't have anything left. After the run I came perilously close to keeling over and staggered around for a bit until I could climb into the van (and even then I had a hard time getting up the step). My Chase running was over. I left it all out there, though, and that is what I had set out to do.
We drove into Lexington and did the team finish thing. I felt surprisingly accomplished in running across the finish line. What a great day and a huge effort by all involved. I know folks left everything out there - Gru 1 week post marathon, 2Y running on crushed ankles, Randy on a bum knee, and Chad running up the steepest hill in the Chase (by far) with a calf held together by tape, string, and glue. Beasts all.
I can't continue writing a book here, though I could go on for a while. Suffice it to say that all my Chase teammates are more than welcome at my place anytime. I had a blast and can't thank the group enough for the experience.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
BnB - what a wild story (one of seemingly many from you)! What a crazy feeling that must have been. I was thinking about your hills during our race. What seemed like mountains to us city boys would have been mere pimples to you.
Steel Curtain - Trust Your Training!! What are your race plans in terms of pacing and/or HR focus?
Steel Curtain - Trust Your Training!! What are your race plans in terms of pacing and/or HR focus?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Has anything good ever followed in a sentence like this?Dear God there was a lot of stuff in here to get caught up on. It sounds like Bourbon Chase was a blast.
Awesome race, juxtatarot.
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Yesterday was an USDO, my first in quite a while. My wife had to work and I found myself at home keeping an eye on the kids, which normally wouldn't have been a big deal but my son had a friend of his over to spend the night, and I didn't want to go off and leave three kids in the house unattended. No big deal.
Today I decided to play a little game for my 10-miler. I wore my Garmin but set the display to show only the time of day, which I purposely didn't check when I started. Then I wanted to see how close I could get my average pace to 9:30-9:35, which would be basically MP+:30, just by feel. 10.03 miles later I wrapped up, and it turned out that I nailed it perfectly with an average pace of 9:34. That was pretty cool. Not as exciting as stalking that chick in the blue shorts, but we can't all be Bourbon Chasers . . .
Ned
Footballguy
Juxtatrot - 3:28 is flyin'! Great job and congrats!! Even though I haven't seen the fruits of my labor, I echo grue's recommendations of reading the Pfitz book. I'm on week 13 of the 18/55 plan now and can say that I'm a completely different runner already. I followed Higdon's plan for my first marathon this spring and while it got me to the finish line, I think it's a step below the Pfitz book. 
BnB - That's some scary ####. I'm glad you came out unscathed. Maybe bring some snorkel gear?
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I'm running a tune-up HM on Saturday, so I've been struggling with how to taper for the race while still keeping the marathon training going. Combined with the fact that I've felt a bit run down with the hectic schedule, I've decided to do a pretty decent taper this week to get rejuvenated. I'll fully admit that I'm quite finicky. A bad HM on Saturday will really screw with me, so I'm going to take it easy this week. I planned on doing an 8mi GA today and a 12mi MLR tomorrow with rest on Thurs/Fri. I'll also be going for a MT appointment Wednesday night.
Today's 8mi GA was surprisingly good. As I just noted, I'm feeling a little run down and just overall achy/sore everywhere. I wasn't really looking forward to running today, but snuck out for a lunch time run. I settled in quickly, which was a nice change. It was a nice and steady run and admittingly a little fast, but the HR data is great. 152 @ 8:56
BnB - That's some scary ####. I'm glad you came out unscathed. Maybe bring some snorkel gear?
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I'm running a tune-up HM on Saturday, so I've been struggling with how to taper for the race while still keeping the marathon training going. Combined with the fact that I've felt a bit run down with the hectic schedule, I've decided to do a pretty decent taper this week to get rejuvenated. I'll fully admit that I'm quite finicky. A bad HM on Saturday will really screw with me, so I'm going to take it easy this week. I planned on doing an 8mi GA today and a 12mi MLR tomorrow with rest on Thurs/Fri. I'll also be going for a MT appointment Wednesday night.
Today's 8mi GA was surprisingly good. As I just noted, I'm feeling a little run down and just overall achy/sore everywhere. I wasn't really looking forward to running today, but snuck out for a lunch time run. I settled in quickly, which was a nice change. It was a nice and steady run and admittingly a little fast, but the HR data is great. 152 @ 8:56
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Hi All! I am alive.
Jux: Awesome marathon effort! Getting within 2:00 of your PR rocks. FWIW: 3:28 is also my PR, which, since I ####### can't run anymore, will be my lifetime PR.
BnB: Had I read the story on a random blog, I would have assumed it was you.
SteelC: You know you are ready. Trust your training, HTFU, and just do it!
Prosopsis: you share the weird story schtick with BnB.
Dexter: Do NOT tell Lynne that you went to Maker's Mark, and certainly don't let her know that you purchased a bottle.
Chasers: I love seeing the pic's and your write-ups have all been awesome. Under the circumstances, you all rocked it. Considering how much each of you left on the course, it's amazing how together each of you were after it. Had I not have read the reports, I would not have known how hard each of you went at it.
__________________________
My Bourbon Chase Report:
My Bourbon story started on Thursday morning. My ex called to find out what I was doing this weekend, to figure out how/when to hand off our kids. I told her nothing, then paused for a bit and literally blurted out, "I would like to go to Kentucky." Her quick response was, then go, and I'll take the kiddos. Prior to that moment I had not even remotely thought about going to Kentucky. I was pissed at the world for not being able to run. That morning I did have a realization that I might not ever have a good opportunity to meet the people in this thread, as I'm likely done with all running races.
I then worked my ### off to get out of all meetings on Friday (and got my TA to teach my class for me on Monday), and to finish all work I needed done prior to the weekend. I left work at 7:00 and went directly to go see a play that one of my girlfriends was in (Midsummer's Night Dream). That ended at 9:45, followed by dinner and then drinks at my buddy's saloon. I got home after midnight, and started to pack for the trip. I finished packing in the morning, made my 8am meeting, followed by teaching my 9am class. Immediately after class I hit the rode to go to Kentucky! Google maps said it was approx. 1,000 miles; though door to door was 1,016.
I made it to Jackson, TN just in time to get to my hotel room and watch the end of the Brewers clinching game! After little to no sleep due to a fridge in my #######' room that made noise all night, I got up for a quick spin in the hotel exercise room; quick shower; breakfast; then back on the road at 9:30. I made it to Lexington at 3:00; grabbed lunch and some beers for the Chasers and headed to Wraith's mom's place. As stated previously; her place and hospitality were off the charts!! I could have used a more accurate description of Julie, but no harm
The van 1 folks arrived at the house maybe 10 minutes later. They were exhausted after racing and little to no sleep for 2 days. We had a couple beers while they tried to hydrate and get ready for the night then headed to the finish line. I was fortunate enough to be able to run the last couple hundred yards in with them = a nice "last" run/race" for my memory bank. We then got dinner, and went out for drinks, where amazingly no women ended up wanting to sleep with any of us.
The next morning we milled around til 9:30 am and it was back on the road. This in itself was a marathon of some sort. The ride home was pretty smooth until I got to Texas (still 300 miles left once I hit the border). It was raining for most of my last 300, and it was dark = fun, fun, fun! In all, the trip home was 1,032 miles (went a different way then I did on the way up). I completed it in a total of 15:27 for an average speed of 66.6 MPH including all stops. I might have been going a bit fast at times.
A few observations...
Grue: Like everyone, a great guy. As expected pretty serious, but he wasn't 7 feet tall like I thought he'd be.
Tri-Man: He probably held back, but I did not notice any super powers. Also amazingly great guy.
Wraith: The kind of guy you'd like by your side at your bachelor party. You are guaranteed to have a great time, but he'll likely keep you out of jail.
2Young: He's a dude! An awesome dude. He surprisingly was taller than I anticipated, but still 2young to be bald.
Darrin: A polite gentleman. Too apologetic, for his own good.
Sand: He just exudes happiness!
Li'l Chad: He's the guy that will get you thrown in jail at your bachelor party.
PmBrown, Turkish and Dexter: It was awesome meeting you, but like an idiot I didn't know your FBG handles until I saw the pic's posted. My fault and loss.
Lynne:
FWIW: So glad I made the trip!
Jux: Awesome marathon effort! Getting within 2:00 of your PR rocks. FWIW: 3:28 is also my PR, which, since I ####### can't run anymore, will be my lifetime PR.
BnB: Had I read the story on a random blog, I would have assumed it was you.
SteelC: You know you are ready. Trust your training, HTFU, and just do it!
Prosopsis: you share the weird story schtick with BnB.
Dexter: Do NOT tell Lynne that you went to Maker's Mark, and certainly don't let her know that you purchased a bottle.
Chasers: I love seeing the pic's and your write-ups have all been awesome. Under the circumstances, you all rocked it. Considering how much each of you left on the course, it's amazing how together each of you were after it. Had I not have read the reports, I would not have known how hard each of you went at it.
__________________________
My Bourbon Chase Report:
My Bourbon story started on Thursday morning. My ex called to find out what I was doing this weekend, to figure out how/when to hand off our kids. I told her nothing, then paused for a bit and literally blurted out, "I would like to go to Kentucky." Her quick response was, then go, and I'll take the kiddos. Prior to that moment I had not even remotely thought about going to Kentucky. I was pissed at the world for not being able to run. That morning I did have a realization that I might not ever have a good opportunity to meet the people in this thread, as I'm likely done with all running races.
I then worked my ### off to get out of all meetings on Friday (and got my TA to teach my class for me on Monday), and to finish all work I needed done prior to the weekend. I left work at 7:00 and went directly to go see a play that one of my girlfriends was in (Midsummer's Night Dream). That ended at 9:45, followed by dinner and then drinks at my buddy's saloon. I got home after midnight, and started to pack for the trip. I finished packing in the morning, made my 8am meeting, followed by teaching my 9am class. Immediately after class I hit the rode to go to Kentucky! Google maps said it was approx. 1,000 miles; though door to door was 1,016.
I made it to Jackson, TN just in time to get to my hotel room and watch the end of the Brewers clinching game! After little to no sleep due to a fridge in my #######' room that made noise all night, I got up for a quick spin in the hotel exercise room; quick shower; breakfast; then back on the road at 9:30. I made it to Lexington at 3:00; grabbed lunch and some beers for the Chasers and headed to Wraith's mom's place. As stated previously; her place and hospitality were off the charts!! I could have used a more accurate description of Julie, but no harm
The van 1 folks arrived at the house maybe 10 minutes later. They were exhausted after racing and little to no sleep for 2 days. We had a couple beers while they tried to hydrate and get ready for the night then headed to the finish line. I was fortunate enough to be able to run the last couple hundred yards in with them = a nice "last" run/race" for my memory bank. We then got dinner, and went out for drinks, where amazingly no women ended up wanting to sleep with any of us.
The next morning we milled around til 9:30 am and it was back on the road. This in itself was a marathon of some sort. The ride home was pretty smooth until I got to Texas (still 300 miles left once I hit the border). It was raining for most of my last 300, and it was dark = fun, fun, fun! In all, the trip home was 1,032 miles (went a different way then I did on the way up). I completed it in a total of 15:27 for an average speed of 66.6 MPH including all stops. I might have been going a bit fast at times.
A few observations...
Grue: Like everyone, a great guy. As expected pretty serious, but he wasn't 7 feet tall like I thought he'd be.
Tri-Man: He probably held back, but I did not notice any super powers. Also amazingly great guy.
Wraith: The kind of guy you'd like by your side at your bachelor party. You are guaranteed to have a great time, but he'll likely keep you out of jail.
2Young: He's a dude! An awesome dude. He surprisingly was taller than I anticipated, but still 2young to be bald.
Darrin: A polite gentleman. Too apologetic, for his own good.
Sand: He just exudes happiness!
Li'l Chad: He's the guy that will get you thrown in jail at your bachelor party.
PmBrown, Turkish and Dexter: It was awesome meeting you, but like an idiot I didn't know your FBG handles until I saw the pic's posted. My fault and loss.
Lynne:
FWIW: So glad I made the trip!
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pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
...my bad, I have a workout to post!
Had a really nice 23 mile bike ride this morning, on legs that hadn't done anything since last Thursday. I averaged 21.1 mph, and had ALL miles at 20.0 mph or faster! I knew there was wind out there, but thought I was slightly with the wind on the way out, and was very pleasantly surprised when I started my in portion and realized that the in had the wind! HR stayed very manageable. I am currently 11 pounds over what I was last year at this time, so one training priority prior to racing will be take some of this weight off, as reducing my bike weight by that much is not possible.
Had a really nice 23 mile bike ride this morning, on legs that hadn't done anything since last Thursday. I averaged 21.1 mph, and had ALL miles at 20.0 mph or faster! I knew there was wind out there, but thought I was slightly with the wind on the way out, and was very pleasantly surprised when I started my in portion and realized that the in had the wind! HR stayed very manageable. I am currently 11 pounds over what I was last year at this time, so one training priority prior to racing will be take some of this weight off, as reducing my bike weight by that much is not possible.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Sorry, I'll try to do better.Hi All! I am alive.Jux: Awesome marathon effort! Getting within 2:00 of your PR rocks. FWIW: 3:28 is also my PR, which, since I ####### can't run anymore, will be my lifetime PR. BnB: Had I read the story on a random blog, I would have assumed it was you.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Well played.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Prosposis -- this is my second marathon. My first was in January 2011. I ran a 3:39 on a flat course with perfect conditions.
Tri-man -- I hope to get a PR. The course is a little hilly (for a marathon)with miles 16-23 being more uphill than not. Elevation chart is here. In terms of HR, I'm guessing I'll try to run around 160 HR and 8 minute miles to get to mile 16 (assuming all goes well.) I'd love to get to mile 20 at that 8 min/mile pace. After that, we'll see where we stand. My overall goal is to improve my time from my first marathon. With the hills and a bit warmer temps (mid to upper 60's), that would be an accomplishment for me. I do know that my pace for the first half will be well ahead of that, but I'd like to build a cushion if at all possible. Sound reasonable or am I nuts?
pigskinliquors -- Its been a busy week at work so I've been running around putting out fires. I really need to rest up on Thursday and Friday so I'm ready to get after it on Saturday. Also, my left knee is acting up a little bit and "clicking" when I run. It doesn't hurt but it is noticeable. I'm not about to change anything. I'll just hope for the best. I'll try to kick some ###!
Tri-man -- I hope to get a PR. The course is a little hilly (for a marathon)with miles 16-23 being more uphill than not. Elevation chart is here. In terms of HR, I'm guessing I'll try to run around 160 HR and 8 minute miles to get to mile 16 (assuming all goes well.) I'd love to get to mile 20 at that 8 min/mile pace. After that, we'll see where we stand. My overall goal is to improve my time from my first marathon. With the hills and a bit warmer temps (mid to upper 60's), that would be an accomplishment for me. I do know that my pace for the first half will be well ahead of that, but I'd like to build a cushion if at all possible. Sound reasonable or am I nuts?
pigskinliquors -- Its been a busy week at work so I've been running around putting out fires. I really need to rest up on Thursday and Friday so I'm ready to get after it on Saturday. Also, my left knee is acting up a little bit and "clicking" when I run. It doesn't hurt but it is noticeable. I'm not about to change anything. I'll just hope for the best. I'll try to kick some ###!
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
You are an amazing judge of character!!! I am missing chunks of every vacation spent with him where I know I had a great time and, unfortunately, will never remember what we did.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Mile 1-2 uphill but it is right away so maybe adrenaline and the start of the race will have you mentally miss it?Mile 3-10 look awesome!!!!'SteelCurtain said:Prosposis -- this is my second marathon. My first was in January 2011. I ran a 3:39 on a flat course with perfect conditions.
Tri-man -- I hope to get a PR. The course is a little hilly (for a marathon)with miles 16-23 being more uphill than not. Elevation chart is here. In terms of HR, I'm guessing I'll try to run around 160 HR and 8 minute miles to get to mile 16 (assuming all goes well.) I'd love to get to mile 20 at that 8 min/mile pace. After that, we'll see where we stand. My overall goal is to improve my time from my first marathon. With the hills and a bit warmer temps (mid to upper 60's), that would be an accomplishment for me. I do know that my pace for the first half will be well ahead of that, but I'd like to build a cushion if at all possible. Sound reasonable or am I nuts?
pigskinliquors -- Its been a busy week at work so I've been running around putting out fires. I really need to rest up on Thursday and Friday so I'm ready to get after it on Saturday. Also, my left knee is acting up a little bit and "clicking" when I run. It doesn't hurt but it is noticeable. I'm not about to change anything. I'll just hope for the best. I'll try to kick some ###!
Good luck. Do you have a number we can track you with?
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