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Ran a 10k in June (2 Viewers)

Got in 9 yesterday during lunch. Can't remember the times, but it was around 8:30 per I think. I felt pretty good about it anyway.

Not sure what I am going to do today as I am dragging from my company's XMas party last night. It may be an unscheduled rest day as I may need that energy to stay awake today.

Have a great day all.

 
Quick question.

I have always used body glide but I still get chafing going around 13-15 miles. Should I try vaseline on Sunday or just stick with body glide? Is there some technique that makes it last longer?

Thanks
I'm guessing you are having lower body chafing. If so, I'll second compression shorts as a base layer. If it's upper body/nip chafing, use nip bandaids. I've never tried to reapply during a race = I'm sure it would be pretty amusing.
For half marathon training - is it better to workout with 1 day of rest a week or is it ok to rest 2 or even 3 days a week with harder workouts?

I'm trying to follow this but I've been resting 2 or 3 days a week. For 2 reasons - I can't find time 6 days a week, and my legs are thrashed after the long runs. The good news is I've compensated by working out harder. Instead of the 3mi runs I'm doing 4-6mi and all of my runs are very hilly.

Is this going to matter?
I am not a fan of running more than 5 days per week (says the guy who can't run any longer at frick'n 45). For me, the key to training was getting three quality workouts per week, including a long, speed and tempo run. IF I had any workouts more than those three, they were used as recovery = slow and/or short. Trying to get 6 hard ones in (trust me, I know about getting 6 hard ones in ;) ) will likely take a toll on your body and start having a negative effect. Watching even the amazing Grue's workout schedule you will see quality workouts mixed in with many recovery miles. Sho-Nuff: Rest?! You are a FBG. Git your damn dress off, and put on some workout clothes!

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My Update:

It's freezing down here...literally. I've taken the cooler temps (27 right now!), as an opportunity to finally get some speed work on my bike, since I'm happy with my base miles. I did a hard 60 minutes of intervals on the trainer yesterday followed by static lunges. My legs feel fantastically sore this morning = muscle pain instead of joint pain. Today will be 6 miles on the elliptical while watching coeds.

 
Got in 9 yesterday during lunch. Can't remember the times, but it was around 8:30 per I think. I felt pretty good about it anyway.

Not sure what I am going to do today as I am dragging from my company's XMas party last night. It may be an unscheduled rest day as I may need that energy to stay awake today.

Have a great day all.
I bet you'll feel better if you get a quick run in during lunch again, than you would if you skip it. Get another one in!
 
It is like you are looking into my mind. This is exactly where I am at. I have my first marathon on Sunday and I have to say I am very worried about it. Triman has been helping me through e mails but I am still more then just a little nervous. I really regret trying to do the Pfitz program. I feel like a headcase but that is where I am.
Everybody's a head case before their first marathon. You've poured a huge amount of time and energy into this -- it' a big deal. It's normal to be on edge. Just keep in mind that you're going to cover those 26.2 miles come hell or high water. If you end up needing to mix in some walking, that's okay. Just focus on covering the distance.
 
Got in 9 yesterday during lunch. Can't remember the times, but it was around 8:30 per I think. I felt pretty good about it anyway.

Not sure what I am going to do today as I am dragging from my company's XMas party last night. It may be an unscheduled rest day as I may need that energy to stay awake today.

Have a great day all.
I bet you'll feel better if you get a quick run in during lunch again, than you would if you skip it. Get another one in!
I probably will as I am already feeling guilty by saying I am not running. I am not hungover, but just tired. Nothing I could not fight thru for 4 miles though.
 
Las Vegas RNR half marathon - Race Report

So the wifey and I went out to Vegas this past weekend to run in the Vegas half marathon. I was going to run the full, but she put the kibosh on that, as it would have her waiting around on me for an hour after she was done (more on this later). However, it was a bit of a unique opportunity - get to run up and down the street at night (half marathon started at 5:30, which was fully dark in Vegas), and an opportunity to get away from the baby for a weekend and get some rest. We flew out to LV on Thursday, stayed at the Venetian (handy for packet pickup, which was at the Venetian/Sands Convention Center) for the weekend, and generally had a great time. I even left up $200 from gambling.

We left the Venetian at about 1:00 on Sunday, cabbed it over to the MGM, walked to the NYNY to kill a couple hours (wife played Pai Gow while I watched NFL games), then hopped on the tram at the Excaliber to get down to the Mandalay Bay. Finally found gear check, and since there were no volunteers in the corrals, or even signs as to where to go, we got in the first corral we could fine (I believe it was 23 - I was supposed to be in 7, and she was supposed to be in 32, so I guess this was a happy medium).

Race finally started - first 4 miles were a piece of cake, straight up LV Boulevard to the Stratosphere. The full marathoners, who started 1.5 hours in front of the half marathon, merged back into the half course about half a mile in. So, you had folks that were running their 13th and 14th miles merging into a wall of people just starting, many of whom were walking, pushing strollers, and had dogs on leashes (although the latter two were strictly forbidden by the rules). After the Strat, the race course hung a left, and ran through about 5 miles of neighborhoods/hotel parking lots/etc., emerged at Fremont Street, ducked back into the side roads, and came out again at the Strat for the 4 miles back to the Mandalay Bay.

Race time was 1:55:47, which should have been at least 3-4 minutes faster. The race was SWAMPED with people. 44,000 people in both the half and full combined (and race directors say they want to increase to 61,000 next year). I was dodging people left and right the whole course, even at the end. I run the Peachtree here in Atlanta, a 10K with 55,000 people, and it's very similar to that, you are dodging people the whole way. People will stop directly in front of you, walk on the left hand side of the road, etc. The Strip was not wide enough to accomdate the 44k - I can't imagine how it will deal with 61k. I won't be back if it actually does go to 61k.

Waited almost 2 hours after I finished for the wife. She had some issues with the cold (it was like 35-40 degrees when the race started) and the crowds, and looked like hammered cr@p when she finally showed up at our meeting spot. She actually got the very last half marathon medal, even though there were thousands of people that finished after her. Warmed her up, and got some water/cytomax in her, and headed back to the Venetian (via tram to Excalibur, walk to MGM, monorail to Harrah's, because the cab line was RIDICULOUS, and there were no signs (see the theme here?) for the free shuttle back). Flew back to Atlanta Monday morning.

All in all, had a great weekend, but only a so-so race. The RNR Las Vegas facebook page is exploding with complaints, and given my experience, I can't say I'd do it again unless a major overhaul is done. If the race expands to 61k next year, as rumored, someone might actually be trampled on the race course or afterwards.

Reasons the race was a disaster

1. No signage at the race site - we walked around for 30 minutes trying to find gear check. We weren't the only ones with this problem. Once we found gear check, we walked around another 30 minutes trying to find our corral, because there was no indication of where it was.

2. Despite 30 corrals for the half marathon, it became so crowded that people couldn’t even reach their assigned corals or even the entrances to the corrals (people were jumping the barricades, injuring bystanders, themselves, and fellow runners in an attempt to do the right thing, and start with their proper pace group).

3. People were not even aware of what corral they were supposed to be in. If they used LETTERS for corrals (like Comrades), and numbers (Say, A1005), there would be no confusion. People just joined any corral because they couldn’t reach their assigned coral, which caused slow runners to block faster runners. Another sign that the whoever planned this course had never done so before and did so in a very lazy, amateur way.

4. Several AID stations ran out of water. Some runners went almost the entire race without any fluids.

5. The phrase, “The Merge” has emerged as a swear word on Twitter. The marathon started 1.5 hours before the half, and ran 13 miles to the west of the Strip before merging back in with the half for the final 13 miles. When the marathoners hit the half marathoners, any sense of rhythm, race, or space disappeared. Many, many runners lost 15-30 minutes just because of the crowd. Although for the marathoners the first 13.1 miles wasn’t bad (if boring) for the 6,000 runners, the second half was horrible.

6. After crossing the finish line, the crowd of runners came to a screeching halt because not enough photographers were available to take finish-line photos, and thousands of people began to shiver and get sick because the crowd was funneled into too small a space too far from warmth. Although I have to admit, hearing 1,000′s of runners all go “BRRR!!!” at the same time with a gust of wind was rather funny, I almost barfed due to being stuck in the crowd and unable to move.

7. Despite knowing how many runners were in each race, they ran out of 1/2 marathon medals. You should ALWAYS have extras!

8. Bananas were raw – ALL of them. That was cool – not.

9. Placed AID stations in the middle of the marathon “Lane” on the strip, causing many runners to collide with those seeking water.

10. There's a rumor that some of the water was contaminated - many (experienced) runners were vomiting, hitting the port-a-potties, etc. Runners report seeing volunteers dip cups of water into pitchers (along with their hands) to fill them up.

11. The post-race at Mandalay Bay was a cluster-$k. Imagine 44,000 people trying to walk through the MB, after a race, with mylar blankets on, running into a crowd of people in a cramped hallway, heading the other direction, trying to reach a Michael Jackson show. Literally, the walkway was stopped for half an hour. Several people collapsed or vomited in the hallway, and it was impossible for medical personnel to get there for 20 or 30 minutes.

 
Ouch...while it always looks like a fun race to do...that sounds awful.

Mental note not to try that one unless they ever fix the problems and put a cap on it.

 
'IvanKaramazov said:
It is like you are looking into my mind. This is exactly where I am at. I have my first marathon on Sunday and I have to say I am very worried about it. Triman has been helping me through e mails but I am still more then just a little nervous. I really regret trying to do the Pfitz program. I feel like a headcase but that is where I am.
Everybody's a head case before their first marathon. You've poured a huge amount of time and energy into this -- it' a big deal. It's normal to be on edge. Just keep in mind that you're going to cover those 26.2 miles come hell or high water. If you end up needing to mix in some walking, that's okay. Just focus on covering the distance.
:goodposting: It's all part of the experience. You're tapering, so the extra energy isn't helping with the paranoid thoughts. I kept telling myself that it's normal and to ignore the bad thoughts. That's where the trust in your training mantra comes from.Hammer the bolded home into your head for race day. A lot can and will happen over 26.2. Be honest with yourself, but don't panic when things get hairy. Grue said it best some time ago - your body adjusts to stress in waves. Don't freak out at the first sign of fatigue.

 
'gruecd said:
'sho nuff said:
Ouch...while it always looks like a fun race to do...that sounds awful.

Mental note not to try that one unless they ever fix the problems and put a cap on it.
Race has gotten TERRIBLE reviews across the board. Honestly, I've never seen reviews this bad. Check this out: The Nightmare on the Strip: Rock 'n' Roll Las Vegas Marathon & Half Marathon Full of Sin
:jawdrop: Sounds like the RNR Group went and messed with a good thing. My wife and I ran the 1/2 the year before it was bought out by RNR. As I recall, it was called the Zappos Las Vegas Marathon and 1/2 Marathon. It still ranks among my top racing experiences. Logistics were great, aid stations were well stocked and staffed and we ran in to none of the issues listed at the finish. We even did the whole get married/renew your vows thing during the race. Sad to hear what a mess this has become.
 
Quick question.I have always used body glide but I still get chafing going around 13-15 miles. Should I try vaseline on Sunday or just stick with body glide? Is there some technique that makes it last longer?Thanks
I'd be careful trying something new on race day. Have you tried compression shorts? How thick are you layering body glide on? Are you using the stick or cream? I found the stick works better from a coverage perspective.
I use the stick and it does not go on very thick. Kind of like deoderant.
 
Expo in 3 days!!!Has anyone used these drop bags? They say you put your stuff in it and it is waiting at the finish line for you. Should I trust enough to put my car keys in it? This race has us parking at one spot and being bussed to the star line. I think it is going to be very cold but I hoping for a warm up. I am starting to get excited about this. All the encouragement I get here really helps. It is very to cool to have all the experience in here to draw from.
I use bag & tag all the time. I don't know that I'd put my car keys in there (usually put my key fob in a baggie in the little pocket inside the front of the shorts), but it's nice to have a dry change of clothes, sandals, my phone, etc., after the race.
:thumbup:
 
'IvanKaramazov said:
It is like you are looking into my mind. This is exactly where I am at. I have my first marathon on Sunday and I have to say I am very worried about it. Triman has been helping me through e mails but I am still more then just a little nervous. I really regret trying to do the Pfitz program. I feel like a headcase but that is where I am.
Everybody's a head case before their first marathon. You've poured a huge amount of time and energy into this -- it' a big deal. It's normal to be on edge. Just keep in mind that you're going to cover those 26.2 miles come hell or high water. If you end up needing to mix in some walking, that's okay. Just focus on covering the distance.
:goodposting: It's all part of the experience. You're tapering, so the extra energy isn't helping with the paranoid thoughts. I kept telling myself that it's normal and to ignore the bad thoughts. That's where the trust in your training mantra comes from.Hammer the bolded home into your head for race day. A lot can and will happen over 26.2. Be honest with yourself, but don't panic when things get hairy. Grue said it best some time ago - your body adjusts to stress in waves. Don't freak out at the first sign of fatigue.
I think Ivan gave me my mantra for Sunday. :thumbup:
 
'IvanKaramazov said:
It is like you are looking into my mind. This is exactly where I am at. I have my first marathon on Sunday and I have to say I am very worried about it. Triman has been helping me through e mails but I am still more then just a little nervous. I really regret trying to do the Pfitz program. I feel like a headcase but that is where I am.
Everybody's a head case before their first marathon. You've poured a huge amount of time and energy into this -- it' a big deal. It's normal to be on edge. Just keep in mind that you're going to cover those 26.2 miles come hell or high water. If you end up needing to mix in some walking, that's okay. Just focus on covering the distance.
:goodposting: It's all part of the experience. You're tapering, so the extra energy isn't helping with the paranoid thoughts. I kept telling myself that it's normal and to ignore the bad thoughts. That's where the trust in your training mantra comes from.Hammer the bolded home into your head for race day. A lot can and will happen over 26.2. Be honest with yourself, but don't panic when things get hairy. Grue said it best some time ago - your body adjusts to stress in waves. Don't freak out at the first sign of fatigue.
I think Ivan gave me my mantra for Sunday. :thumbup:
pros...this will be a walk in the park compared to the training runs in the middle of summer (especially the ones where you de-hydrated yourself). You are a runner now, just need to take care of this formality. Enjoy your event!!!
 
I overhead a pious marathoner on the plane this morning say this. “I was running and these two walkers were swinging their arms wide leaving me no room. So I pushed their arms out of the way and ran through them. They called me a ‘f**ing a**hole’ and I yelled back to them, ‘Maybe if you were faster you could speed up and kick my a**.’”
:lmao:
 
I overhead a pious marathoner on the plane this morning say this. “I was running and these two walkers were swinging their arms wide leaving me no room. So I pushed their arms out of the way and ran through them. They called me a ‘f**ing a**hole’ and I yelled back to them, ‘Maybe if you were faster you could speed up and kick my a**.’”
:lmao:
:lmao:I hope this is not true even though it is funny.
 
I overhead a pious marathoner on the plane this morning say this. “I was running and these two walkers were swinging their arms wide leaving me no room. So I pushed their arms out of the way and ran through them. They called me a ‘f**ing a**hole’ and I yelled back to them, ‘Maybe if you were faster you could speed up and kick my a**.’”
:lmao:
:lmao:I hope this is not true even though it is funny.
Yeah...really funny line.Got off my ### last night for 6...Started out with a light 9:50 mile...then went 9:05, 9:02, 8:55, 8:50 and followed with 9:35 to end it.The last 8:50 was a bit tough...I find Im believing like more in here that the treadmill is an evil thing.Its nice when its 100* out and I can run in the AC.But now when its colder...68* in the house feels hotter than crap and I struggle some.And doing anything over 4 miles on the TM just sucks.
 
Las Vegas RNR half marathon - Race Report
I'm glad you had a good race, but this event sounds absolutely horrible. I've read bad reviews of this race before, and it's the only major event that I know of that has a four hour cutoff for the marathon. Grue would be showered and up a few hundo at the craps tables by that time, but I'd be constantly looking over my shoulder for the sweep bus, and that's no fun. "Las Vegas RNR" sounds like the sort of thing that ought to be awesome, but I'm not going anywhere near this until it's overhauled.______________________________My wife left this morning for Tucson -- she's staying at her dad's house out there and running the marathon on Sunday along with prosopis and a few thousand other people. This means I have the kids for the next several days, which means shuttling them to and from school, basketball practice, Christmas program rehearsals, etc. from now until Monday night. This Mr. Mom thing already sucks and she only left a few hours ago. Today is a SDO after six consecutive days and 41 miles. Tomorrow is going to be a 12-miler and then I'll probably take the entire weekend off, or maybe work in something short on Sunday.
 
After three weeks off due to my ankle injury I started running again last week. Probably could have started sooner, but didn't want to risk a setback. I believe I got 9 in Thursday, 14 on Monday on a 0.1 indoor track, 3.1 on the stairmaster yesterday, and 10 this morning. Unfortunately my weight went from 225 to 236 during the layoff. Back under 230 now by a whisker. Need to get back to the trails, but I'm leary right now.

 
Las Vegas RNR half marathon - Race Report
I'm glad you had a good race, but this event sounds absolutely horrible. I've read bad reviews of this race before, and it's the only major event that I know of that has a four hour cutoff for the marathon. Grue would be showered and up a few hundo at the craps tables by that time, but I'd be constantly looking over my shoulder for the sweep bus, and that's no fun. "Las Vegas RNR" sounds like the sort of thing that ought to be awesome, but I'm not going anywhere near this until it's overhauled.______________________________My wife left this morning for Tucson -- she's staying at her dad's house out there and running the marathon on Sunday along with prosopis and a few thousand other people. This means I have the kids for the next several days, which means shuttling them to and from school, basketball practice, Christmas program rehearsals, etc. from now until Monday night. This Mr. Mom thing already sucks and she only left a few hours ago. Today is a SDO after six consecutive days and 41 miles. Tomorrow is going to be a 12-miler and then I'll probably take the entire weekend off, or maybe work in something short on Sunday.
I think it was a 4.5 hour cutoff, but your point remains the same. They diverted the last few, I guess slower, marathoners at the end (they even have an official results category of "Marathon 25.3 - Diverted").
 
Alright, I've run twice (both short and easy 3 milers) since the half last weekend and my right foot is nagging me more than I like.

Its a sharp pain on the inside arch when I put pressure on it. It is tolerable to run on, I just don't want to make it worse.

Is this something I should just grind thru or rest a few days? I was anxious to jump right into the Higdon marathon plan (which calls for 11 this weekend), but I sure don't want a major set back.

TIA.

And good luck pros!

 
Alright, I've run twice (both short and easy 3 milers) since the half last weekend and my right foot is nagging me more than I like. Its a sharp pain on the inside arch when I put pressure on it. It is tolerable to run on, I just don't want to make it worse. Is this something I should just grind thru or rest a few days? I was anxious to jump right into the Higdon marathon plan (which calls for 11 this weekend), but I sure don't want a major set back. TIA. And good luck pros!
Take a few days off and then try easing back into it. You need a little recovery after a half, especially before plunging into a marthon cycle.
 
Alright, I've run twice (both short and easy 3 milers) since the half last weekend and my right foot is nagging me more than I like. Its a sharp pain on the inside arch when I put pressure on it. It is tolerable to run on, I just don't want to make it worse. Is this something I should just grind thru or rest a few days? I was anxious to jump right into the Higdon marathon plan (which calls for 11 this weekend), but I sure don't want a major set back. TIA. And good luck pros!
Take a few days off and then try easing back into it. You need a little recovery after a half, especially before plunging into a marthon cycle.
:goodposting: Also what shape are your shoes in?
 
Alright, I've run twice (both short and easy 3 milers) since the half last weekend and my right foot is nagging me more than I like. Its a sharp pain on the inside arch when I put pressure on it. It is tolerable to run on, I just don't want to make it worse. Is this something I should just grind thru or rest a few days? I was anxious to jump right into the Higdon marathon plan (which calls for 11 this weekend), but I sure don't want a major set back. TIA. And good luck pros!
Take a few days off and then try easing back into it. You need a little recovery after a half, especially before plunging into a marthon cycle.
:goodposting: Also what shape are your shoes in?
I wont argue with the time off. Shoes are in pretty good shape though. Actually they might not have been properly broken in before last weekend.
 
Alright, I've run twice (both short and easy 3 milers) since the half last weekend and my right foot is nagging me more than I like. Its a sharp pain on the inside arch when I put pressure on it. It is tolerable to run on, I just don't want to make it worse. Is this something I should just grind thru or rest a few days? I was anxious to jump right into the Higdon marathon plan (which calls for 11 this weekend), but I sure don't want a major set back. TIA. And good luck pros!
If you have a gym membership, heavy calf raises seem to have helped me in the past. On the last one I'll leave the calf loaded toe up for 10 seconds. This seems to help strengthen the arches.
 
3grand: Awesome race for you, not so much for many others. Glad you survived it!

BnB: As per your protocol, you didn't just start running again, you went all-in. Glad you are back at it. This time of year, weight maintenance is a lot more fun than trying to lose. I'm approaching it as if I'm just training with the extra weight on my bike right now, to make it easier in the Spring when I actually lose some of it. It helps my justify indulging in the boozes and food.

Jb: no hurry to hurry back at it. Recovery isn't just for alcoholics.

IvanK: I agree with sho nuff's "man-up" comment. I'm a 100% parent, 50% of the time. You can handle this!

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My update:

I got 6+ miles done on the elliptical yesterday, and am trying to squeeze in a ride at some point today. My daughter is in a play at her school at 1:00, and she's going to want me to take her home once it is finished = when I would normally ride. I'll likely just get on the trainer and do more intervals instead of having CPS show up at my doorstep for leaving a child alone.

 
question for the bike guys: My son has expressed interest in getting an indoor bike trainer for Christmas. He's 14, not a hard core cycling guy at all, but will ride his bike 25 miles on the bikepath while I'm doing my long runs. Any suggestions on what would be good to put in the basement and use with his Mountain Bike for the winter?

This one looks o.k. It's basically the cheapest, but I'm not looking for anything hard core. Thanks!
This might help. FWIW: I have had a wind, and currently have a magnetic trainer. The magnetic is superior, though I'd love to have a kinetic one, mostly to be able to better simulate getting out of the saddle as the magnetic/wind trainers don't increase resistance as you increase effort.
 
BnB: As per your protocol, you didn't just start running again, you went all-in. Glad you are back at it. This time of year, weight maintenance is a lot more fun than trying to lose. I'm approaching it as if I'm just training with the extra weight on my bike right now, to make it easier in the Spring when I actually lose some of it. It helps my justify indulging in the boozes and food.
I am fooling myself in similar fashion. I wan't to chart my weight loss % after the first of the year. Christmas Party start this week, so I'll be padding my stats heavily in the next few weeks. Although, in all honesty, I have been a :porked: since The Chase.
 
Finally the legs have risen from the dead. :excited:

I had all the intentions in the world of running a 7mi GA today, but as I stepped off the driveway I could tell immediately that the legs were alive. I fought the urge to unclip the leash on the first mile or so, but it was inevitable. Each mile became faster and before I knew it I was hitting low 8's and figured ah what the hell - lets roll. Overall 8:25/166.

Ahhhhhhhh, endorphines! :thumbup:

 
...I have been a :porked: since The Chase.
In all honesty I'm always a :porked: It only shows more now than usual as I haven't been able to beat it out of me with hard workouts.
:goodposting: The full on half training and 2 halfs within a month of each other hid a lot.Im not gaining...but sure as hell am not losing any more lately.Fell on a few bad habits that rewarded me for how hard I worked (and IM sure I will have a few rewards over the holidays).Plus I carb up more when the Packers are on TV...and with them being undefeated...they are on more down here than usual. :banned:
 
BnB: As per your protocol, you didn't just start running again, you went all-in. Glad you are back at it. This time of year, weight maintenance is a lot more fun than trying to lose. I'm approaching it as if I'm just training with the extra weight on my bike right now, to make it easier in the Spring when I actually lose some of it. It helps my justify indulging in the boozes and food.
I've been telling myself the extra weight is a huge training benefit since september. Actually I've broken a couple of PRs at the heavier weight so there may be some truth to that. However i'm now 11 weeks out from a 50 miler and lugging 20-30 extra pounds isn't looking so good.
 
Arghhh...just pull my training plan back out. This weekend calls for a 3.5 hr run followed by a 4 hr run for 50 total for the week. Since the weekly mileage calls for 50 and I have 27 mi in already, I think i'll do a short run tomorrow on the off day and look to shorten up one of the long runs this weekend. Any suggestions on which day would be better to go long...Sat or Sun?

 
'BassNBrew said:
Arghhh...just pull my training plan back out. This weekend calls for a 3.5 hr run followed by a 4 hr run for 50 total for the week. Since the weekly mileage calls for 50 and I have 27 mi in already, I think i'll do a short run tomorrow on the off day and look to shorten up one of the long runs this weekend. Any suggestions on which day would be better to go long...Sat or Sun?
I'd say shorten Sat, run long on Sun with tired legs.You're sure jumping right back at it!!!
 
'BassNBrew said:
Arghhh...just pull my training plan back out. This weekend calls for a 3.5 hr run followed by a 4 hr run for 50 total for the week. Since the weekly mileage calls for 50 and I have 27 mi in already, I think i'll do a short run tomorrow on the off day and look to shorten up one of the long runs this weekend. Any suggestions on which day would be better to go long...Sat or Sun?
I'd say shorten Sat, run long on Sun with tired legs.You're sure jumping right back at it!!!
BnB is my hero. Go get'm!!
 
'BassNBrew said:
Arghhh...just pull my training plan back out. This weekend calls for a 3.5 hr run followed by a 4 hr run for 50 total for the week. Since the weekly mileage calls for 50 and I have 27 mi in already, I think i'll do a short run tomorrow on the off day and look to shorten up one of the long runs this weekend. Any suggestions on which day would be better to go long...Sat or Sun?
I'd say shorten Sat, run long on Sun with tired legs.You're sure jumping right back at it!!!
Not much choice in the matter. Times a ticking. I'd be appreciative of any ultra training advice. Right now I have a planned schedule along these lines...Monday - offTuesday - 6-9 mi runs with intervals in the 3 x 1 mile range to 6 x 1 mi rangeWednesday - cross trainThursday - 9 mi w/ 3 mi in zone 2Friday - offSaturday/Sunday - long runs. Schedule was supposed to be 3.5 hr/4 hr, 3.5/4, 5/1.5, 2/1.5, 4/3.5, 5/2.5, 2.5/3, 4/5, 3/6, 2/2, 1.5/1, raceBasically 7.5 hr wkd x 2, then a step back, 7.5 hr wkd x 2 then step back, 9 hr wkd x 2, then taper.I'm going to have to modify as I work two of those weekends and have a weekend commitment with my son on the other. I'm thinking where I have conflicts apreading the mileage throughout the week. Probably will settle in on taking those x 2s to x 1s. Note that many of those long days will be hike/runs. Looking at topping out at 60 mile weeks with most weeks in the 47-53 mile range.
 
Little 4 mile recovery run...and man not working as hard on these makes the cold night feel even colder.

Only time I can run Saturday is first thing...probably about 20*...not really looking forward to it.

 
Little 4 mile recovery run...and man not working as hard on these makes the cold night feel even colder.Only time I can run Saturday is first thing...probably about 20*...not really looking forward to it.
Dude, you're from Wisconsin. Man up. Wind chill forecast to be -8° when I run my 15 tomorrow morning. :football:
 
Little 4 mile recovery run...and man not working as hard on these makes the cold night feel even colder.Only time I can run Saturday is first thing...probably about 20*...not really looking forward to it.
Dude, you're from Wisconsin. Man up. Wind chill forecast to be -8° when I run my 15 tomorrow morning. :football:
Fall is over and winter has begun when the weather whining shifts from me, pigskin, sand, Darrin, and pros to Gru and crew. See you guys in April/May to pass the baton back.Is there a temperature where it gets cold enough that it impacts your pace like the heat does? In regards to biking, the colder air is denser and makes you slower.
 
Agree with Grue on this. I love winter running. Dress warm and get out there. Nothing better.

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I got in another 9 yesterday at work and plan on doing a 5 miler as a recovery in about 15 minutes from now. Tomorrow I have 14 on tap for a total of 42 miles this week. I missed the one recovery run this week (I ended up bailing on it because I was too tired), so I would have had more. Pulled the "Advanced Marathon" book out this week to get a head start looking at the training. I knew it was tough, but looking at it put me back in the right mindset. I am anxious to start now. Need to bump up my mileage just a wee bit and I am ready to go.

Have a great weekend all.

 
Little 4 mile recovery run...and man not working as hard on these makes the cold night feel even colder.Only time I can run Saturday is first thing...probably about 20*...not really looking forward to it.
Dude, you're from Wisconsin. Man up. Wind chill forecast to be -8° when I run my 15 tomorrow morning. :football:
Fall is over and winter has begun when the weather whining shifts from me, pigskin, sand, Darrin, and pros to Gru and crew. See you guys in April/May to pass the baton back.Is there a temperature where it gets cold enough that it impacts your pace like the heat does? In regards to biking, the colder air is denser and makes you slower.
I usually can run better in the freezing cold than I can in the heat. When really cold, say 5* or below, it takes a bit to breath, but if you dress appropriately it is fine. Only caveat to that is if there is a lot of snow/ice on the ground. That takes a pretty good toll on your legs, but it does build up your small muscles around your ankles, you just can't go as fast.
 
Little 4 mile recovery run...and man not working as hard on these makes the cold night feel even colder.Only time I can run Saturday is first thing...probably about 20*...not really looking forward to it.
Dude, you're from Wisconsin. Man up. Wind chill forecast to be -8° when I run my 15 tomorrow morning. :football:
Fall is over and winter has begun when the weather whining shifts from me, pigskin, sand, Darrin, and pros to Gru and crew. See you guys in April/May to pass the baton back.Is there a temperature where it gets cold enough that it impacts your pace like the heat does? In regards to biking, the colder air is denser and makes you slower.
I usually can run better in the freezing cold than I can in the heat. When really cold, say 5* or below, it takes a bit to breath, but if you dress appropriately it is fine. Only caveat to that is if there is a lot of snow/ice on the ground. That takes a pretty good toll on your legs, but it does build up your small muscles around your ankles, you just can't go as fast.
My body really responds well to the <40 temps. Some of my fondest memories of last year's training was layering up and running in snow, slush, etc. :thumbup:
 
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Is there a temperature where it gets cold enough that it impacts your pace like the heat does?
In terms of GA runs, not really. Hard to do a lot of speedwork when it's this cold, though, especially once the footing gets bad. That's why my spring race usually isn't a goal race for me.
Pulled the "Advanced Marathon" book out this week to get a head start looking at the training. I knew it was tough, but looking at it put me back in the right mindset. I am anxious to start now. Need to bump up my mileage just a wee bit and I am ready to go.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Only caveat to that is if there is a lot of snow/ice on the ground. That takes a pretty good toll on your legs, but it does build up your small muscles around your ankles, you just can't go as fast.
Yep. Great for the stabilizing muscles! I'm finding that yoga is doing the same thing for me. I was doing "airplane pose" last night, and my plant leg was shaking. I think this is gonna be really good for me.
 
Not much choice in the matter. Times a ticking. I'd be appreciative of any ultra training advice. Right now I have a planned schedule along these lines...Monday - offTuesday - 6-9 mi runs with intervals in the 3 x 1 mile range to 6 x 1 mi rangeWednesday - cross trainThursday - 9 mi w/ 3 mi in zone 2Friday - offSaturday/Sunday - long runs. Schedule was supposed to be 3.5 hr/4 hr, 3.5/4, 5/1.5, 2/1.5, 4/3.5, 5/2.5, 2.5/3, 4/5, 3/6, 2/2, 1.5/1, raceBasically 7.5 hr wkd x 2, then a step back, 7.5 hr wkd x 2 then step back, 9 hr wkd x 2, then taper.I'm going to have to modify as I work two of those weekends and have a weekend commitment with my son on the other. I'm thinking where I have conflicts apreading the mileage throughout the week. Probably will settle in on taking those x 2s to x 1s. Note that many of those long days will be hike/runs. Looking at topping out at 60 mile weeks with most weeks in the 47-53 mile range.
BnB: I like this schedule, though as your mileage gets up, fit some doubles in (i.e., 15 miles in the morning, 10 in the afternoon) near the end of your cycle. I preferred doing a double on Saturday, with a recovery spin (on the trainer with high cadence low resistance) on Sunday. I'm also pretty sure you are getting some hill workouts in, just bc of where you live, but they are very beneficial. Also, get as many miles in on trails as you can. ___________________My Update:Another hour on the trainer doing intervals last night. I need to get on the road again for some sanity. Today is another ellipti-fest.
 
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'sho nuff said:
Little 4 mile recovery run...and man not working as hard on these makes the cold night feel even colder.Only time I can run Saturday is first thing...probably about 20*...not really looking forward to it.
Dude, you're from Wisconsin. Man up. Wind chill forecast to be -8° when I run my 15 tomorrow morning. :football:
Yeah...Im from there...but have been in the south for 21 years.And the only thing being from Wisconsin means is I am smart enough to know what clothes to put on when its cold...or not to go out when its too damn cold out.
 

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