Ran a 10k in June (6 Viewers)

[comfortably numb]

Just thought I'd let you guys know I'm totally fine. Brutally hot out there. I've never seen so much carnage on a race course.Ended up walking the majority of the second half. Seriously contemplated jumping on the train at mile 17 like tri-man said, but decided to gut it out. Just hope I didn't jeopardize my chances of recovering fully for GB. Other than that, it's all good.Oh, and Wellesley girls PR was achieved. And the "runner" pickup line always works. Foolproof.

Way to go, went through hell and back it seems

 

[Ned]

Just thought I'd let you guys know I'm totally fine. Brutally hot out there. I've never seen so much carnage on a race course.

Ended up walking the majority of the second half. Seriously contemplated jumping on the train at mile 17 like tri-man said, but decided to gut it out. Just hope I didn't jeopardize my chances of recovering fully for GB. Other than that, it's all good.

Oh, and Wellesley girls PR was achieved. And the "runner" pickup line always works. Foolproof.

Glad you're safe. Hope we get to hear the nitty gritty. Oh and a race report too.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Just thought I'd let you guys know I'm totally fine. Brutally hot out there. I've never seen so much carnage on a race course.Ended up walking the majority of the second half. Seriously contemplated jumping on the train at mile 17 like tri-man said, but decided to gut it out. Just hope I didn't jeopardize my chances of recovering fully for GB. Other than that, it's all good.Oh, and Wellesley girls PR was achieved. And the "runner" pickup line always works. Foolproof.

I'm sure you won't have any problem recovering from this, given your level of training. Looking forward to some stories . . .

 

[tri-man 47]

Just thought I'd let you guys know I'm totally fine.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I have a question for you guys about the Pfitz training schedules. There are certain Saturdays set for tune-up races. He lists the distances for the races (8K-15K or something) and then a total distance for that day that's considerably longer. What's the extra mileage for? Just to warm up and cool down? This seems odd as sometimes it's logistically awkward to cool down after a race. Also the total distance for the day seem way too much just for that purpose.

 

[AcerFC]

Nice work Gru. I just did 3.1 in 30 mins and I called it a day.

Just out of curiosity, why do you need to qualify for Boston

 

[sho nuff]

Just thought I'd let you guys know I'm totally fine.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I have a question for you guys about the Pfitz training schedules. There are certain Saturdays set for tune-up races. He lists the distances for the races (8K-15K or something) and then a total distance for that day that's considerably longer. What's the extra mileage for? Just to warm up and cool down? This seems odd as sometimes it's logistically awkward to cool down after a race. Also the total distance for the day seem way too much just for that purpose.

Yes, I think it's warmup/cooldown. I've thought the same thing and I'm not sure how I'm going to handle these when I get to that point, because there just aren't that many races nearby and I'm not interested in travelling for a 10K.

 

[17seconds]

Just out of curiosity, why do you need to qualify for Boston

Same reason why you have to wait a few years to get Super Bowl tickets and why it costs $500 to play Pebble Beach.It has a rich history and tons of people want to do it.

 

[17seconds]

I have a question for you guys about the Pfitz training schedules. There are certain Saturdays set for tune-up races. He lists the distances for the races (8K-15K or something) and then a total distance for that day that's considerably longer. What's the extra mileage for? Just to warm up and cool down? This seems odd as sometimes it's logistically awkward to cool down after a race. Also the total distance for the day seem way too much just for that purpose.

Yes, I think it's warmup/cooldown. I've thought the same thing and I'm not sure how I'm going to handle these when I get to that point, because there just aren't that many races nearby and I'm not interested in travelling for a 10K.

I've pretty much ignored it or converted them to tempo runs. During my 18 week Pfitz I have a 5K race and a HM tuneup race so I figure that's enough.

 

[AcerFC]

Just out of curiosity, why do you need to qualify for Boston

Same reason why you have to wait a few years to get Super Bowl tickets and why it costs $500 to play Pebble Beach.It has a rich history and tons of people want to do it.

It was supposed to be what not why. I'll blame my iPhone.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Just out of curiosity, why do you need to qualify for Boston

Same reason why you have to wait a few years to get Super Bowl tickets and why it costs $500 to play Pebble Beach.It has a rich history and tons of people want to do it.

It was supposed to be what not why. I'll blame my iPhone.

Qualification times are based on your age and gender. Here's what you needed to get in this year:2012 Qualifying Times: Below are the qualifying times for the 2012 Boston Marathon:

Age GroupMenWomen   18-34 3hrs 10min   3hrs 40min   35-39 3hrs 15min 3hrs 45min   40-44 3hrs 20min 3hrs 50min   45-49 3hrs 30min 4hrs 00min   50-54 3hrs 35min 4hrs 05min   55-59 3hrs 45min 4hrs 15min   60-64 4hrs 00min 4hrs 30min   65-69 4hrs 15min 4hrs 45min   70-74 4hrs 30min 5hrs 00min   75-79 4hrs 45min 5hrs 15min   80 and over 5hrs 00min 5hrs 30min

 

[Juxtatarot]

I have a question for you guys about the Pfitz training schedules. There are certain Saturdays set for tune-up races. He lists the distances for the races (8K-15K or something) and then a total distance for that day that's considerably longer. What's the extra mileage for? Just to warm up and cool down? This seems odd as sometimes it's logistically awkward to cool down after a race. Also the total distance for the day seem way too much just for that purpose.

Yes, I think it's warmup/cooldown. I've thought the same thing and I'm not sure how I'm going to handle these when I get to that point, because there just aren't that many races nearby and I'm not interested in travelling for a 10K.

Yes, I don't think I'm going to travel either -- just mock race around the neighborhood. For the first one I warmed up for 4 miles and then started racing but I tired significantly after about 3 miles of the "race". I either estimated my 10K time wrong (I've never raced one offically) or just tired early due to the warm up. I have my second one this Saturday and am trying to decide how I'll tackle it.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Just out of curiosity, why do you need to qualify for Boston

Same reason why you have to wait a few years to get Super Bowl tickets and why it costs $500 to play Pebble Beach.It has a rich history and tons of people want to do it.

It was supposed to be what not why. I'll blame my iPhone.

Qualification times are based on your age and gender. Here's what you needed to get in this year:2012 Qualifying Times: Below are the qualifying times for the 2012 Boston Marathon:

Age GroupMenWomen   18-34 3hrs 10min   3hrs 40min   35-39 3hrs 15min 3hrs 45min   40-44 3hrs 20min 3hrs 50min   45-49 3hrs 30min 4hrs 00min   50-54 3hrs 35min 4hrs 05min   55-59 3hrs 45min 4hrs 15min   60-64 4hrs 00min 4hrs 30min   65-69 4hrs 15min 4hrs 45min   70-74 4hrs 30min 5hrs 00min   75-79 4hrs 45min 5hrs 15min   80 and over 5hrs 00min 5hrs 30min

And for future years, it gets harder. (6 minutes in my age group, for example.)

 

[prosopis]

Just thought I'd let you guys know I'm totally fine. Brutally hot out there. I've never seen so much carnage on a race course.Ended up walking the majority of the second half. Seriously contemplated jumping on the train at mile 17 like tri-man said, but decided to gut it out. Just hope I didn't jeopardize my chances of recovering fully for GB. Other than that, it's all good.Oh, and Wellesley girls PR was achieved. And the "runner" pickup line always works. Foolproof.

Glad you made it.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Great work gutting it out Gru. Thought a lot about how rough that was going to be for you yesterday. Glad you came through in one piece.

Here's to future good weather.

I just had to warn my brother this morning about having a back up plan for his first marathon. We are both running the Flying Pig and I told him to be sure to make a back up pace or two in case we have the same type of weather. I am really hoping we don't, but better to be surprised in a good way than be unprepared for race day. Anything can happen. As all of you know, having Plans A - D are super helpful on race day.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Great work gutting it out Gru. Thought a lot about how rough that was going to be for you yesterday. Glad you came through in one piece.Here's to future good weather. I just had to warn my brother this morning about having a back up plan for his first marathon. We are both running the Flying Pig and I told him to be sure to make a back up pace or two in case we have the same type of weather. I am really hoping we don't, but better to be surprised in a good way than be unprepared for race day. Anything can happen. As all of you know, having Plans A - D are super helpful on race day.

As an over planner, this is something new. Do you actually plan paces A-D at MM pace? I use visioning to plan for anything and everything and use HR data to dictate the execution of the vision. I can see where an ever deeper A-D plan would help. I ran 9 miles on Sunday and was day dreaming a bit of the HIM I am signed up for in the Fall. I am thinking a run walk approach to the run will render the best results and the plan would be to check in post ride to determine the splits. I.E, feeling good, HR is where it needs to be, go at 10/2 run/walk and adjust both based on feel and HR. But, had not thought about the pace to go in conjunction with the run split. I'd love to hear more on this. Great training BTW and great to see you are making things work on both the running and family side of things!!

 

[jb1020]

I flat out forgot about the Warrior Dash I signed up for this weekend. Its been unseasonably warm for even here, high 80's, for a few weeks now.

Warrior Dash Day we're expecting mid to low 60's.

Can't say that I'm super excited about this, it seemed like a great idea in October.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I flat out forgot about the Warrior Dash I signed up for this weekend. Its been unseasonably warm for even here, high 80's, for a few weeks now. Warrior Dash Day we're expecting mid to low 60's. Can't say that I'm super excited about this, it seemed like a great idea in October.

Make a day of it. Go early, enjoy the bands, drink a bunch beer and ogle hot muddy chicks (even in 60 degrees). If you merely go, run and go home you'll miss a ton. This is an event, not just a race. The fastest way over the cargo net is to roll versus trying to do a crab walk over it (you'll thank me later).

 

[sho nuff]

I flat out forgot about the Warrior Dash I signed up for this weekend. Its been unseasonably warm for even here, high 80's, for a few weeks now. Warrior Dash Day we're expecting mid to low 60's. Can't say that I'm super excited about this, it seemed like a great idea in October.

Make a day of it. Go early, enjoy the bands, drink a bunch beer and ogle hot muddy chicks (even in 60 degrees). If you merely go, run and go home you'll miss a ton. This is an event, not just a race. The fastest way over the cargo net is to roll versus trying to do a crab walk over it (you'll thank me later).

And 60s is perfect...a mile in plus a few obstacles you will be very happy its not going to be in the 80s.We had a later afternoon time last fall and the heat was brutal.And definitely run an early heat and enjoy the rest of the day.

 

[comfortably numb]

I flat out forgot about the Warrior Dash I signed up for this weekend. Its been unseasonably warm for even here, high 80's, for a few weeks now. Warrior Dash Day we're expecting mid to low 60's. Can't say that I'm super excited about this, it seemed like a great idea in October.

Make a day of it. Go early, enjoy the bands, drink a bunch beer and ogle hot muddy chicks (even in 60 degrees). If you merely go, run and go home you'll miss a ton. This is an event, not just a race. The fastest way over the cargo net is to roll versus trying to do a crab walk over it (you'll thank me later).

Co-worker just did a Rebel Race in Machester, NJ this weekend.Said it was horrible.There was no mud anywhere.At the finish line the organizers were mixing dirt and water in buckets to make mud.At the start everyone took off, within 30 seconds everyone was coughing from all the dust, 1st obstacle was a wall so picture 100 people dashing to a wall 50' away dust everywhere then everyone just standing there for 3-5 min coughing.

 

[jb1020]

I flat out forgot about the Warrior Dash I signed up for this weekend. Its been unseasonably warm for even here, high 80's, for a few weeks now. Warrior Dash Day we're expecting mid to low 60's. Can't say that I'm super excited about this, it seemed like a great idea in October.

Make a day of it. Go early, enjoy the bands, drink a bunch beer and ogle hot muddy chicks (even in 60 degrees). If you merely go, run and go home you'll miss a ton. This is an event, not just a race. The fastest way over the cargo net is to roll versus trying to do a crab walk over it (you'll thank me later).

Co-worker just did a Rebel Race in Machester, NJ this weekend.Said it was horrible.There was no mud anywhere.At the finish line they organizers were mixing dirt and water in buckets to make mud.At the start everyone took off, within 30 seconds everyone was coughing from all the dust, 1st obstacle was a wall so picture 100 people dashing to a wall 50' away dust everywhere then everyone just standing there for 3-5 min coughing.

Its been pouring here for 2 days now, the course should be muddy. But I disagree, 65 and overcast is rather chilly to this southern guy. If I'm sloshing around mud and water I'll take 80. We go at 9:30. Unfortunately I won't be able to enjoy the day's festivities. I planned this so long ago a few things have come up. My son turns 2 next week and my wife scheduled to have his pictures taken at 2 that afternoon. Then we have to help host a "couples baby shower" that night. After writing all this out I'm wondering should I fake an injury or just come home sloppy drunk by noon?

 

[comfortably numb]

1 8:50.4 1.00 8:502 9:03.1 1.00 9:033 9:21.7 1.00 9:23

Summary (27:15.2) 3.00 9:06

Just did 3miles at work, calves still sore but felt good running on them and trying to stay focused on form.Gonna do 5miles on Saturday, then enter in a 5k Sun, either Carl Lewis attending!!Hopefully he sings the Star Spangled Banner!

 

[comfortably numb]

I flat out forgot about the Warrior Dash I signed up for this weekend. Its been unseasonably warm for even here, high 80's, for a few weeks now.

Warrior Dash Day we're expecting mid to low 60's.

Can't say that I'm super excited about this, it seemed like a great idea in October.

Make a day of it. Go early, enjoy the bands, drink a bunch beer and ogle hot muddy chicks (even in 60 degrees). If you merely go, run and go home you'll miss a ton. This is an event, not just a race. The fastest way over the cargo net is to roll versus trying to do a crab walk over it (you'll thank me later).

Co-worker just did a Rebel Race in Machester, NJ this weekend.Said it was horrible.

There was no mud anywhere.

At the finish line they organizers were mixing dirt and water in buckets to make mud.

At the start everyone took off, within 30 seconds everyone was coughing from all the dust, 1st obstacle was a wall so picture 100 people dashing to a wall 50' away dust everywhere then everyone just standing there for 3-5 min coughing.

Its been pouring here for 2 days now, the course should be muddy. But I disagree, 65 and overcast is rather chilly to this southern guy. If I'm sloshing around mud and water I'll take 80.

We go at 9:30.

Unfortunately I won't be able to enjoy the day's festivities. I planned this so long ago a few things have come up. My son turns 2 next week and my wife scheduled to have his pictures taken at 2 that afternoon. Then we have to help host a "couples baby shower" that night.

After writing all this out I'm wondering should I fake an injury or just come home sloppy drunk by noon?

Just show up at home and tell her you woke up in a roadside ditch

 

[SteelCurtain]

My friend Luke finished in 2:54:38. Glad he is finished and presumably okay. I'm guessing he learned a bit about the power of heat/humidity on distance running. I'm proud of his effort even though I know he is probably incredibly disappointed at his time.

I know that I will never run a 2:54 marathon even if it was perfect conditions....and all down hill.....on a skateboard....with a motor.

I sure hope he will come to appreciate how insanely good that is in these conditions. Congrats to Luke!

I hope so....I'll chat with him tonight or tomorrow and I'll report back. To put it in perspective, last year he finished 340th (and running 2:44:49) and this year he finished 320th (time of 2:54:38). His PR overall is 2:42 at Philadelphia.

Here is what Luke texted me last night. "Thanks for the support. I truly appreciate it. I cannot begin to describe the conditions accurately to tell you how terrible it was. It was totally unsafe. I started cramping at mile 18. From there, I just tried to survive. I almost collapsed due to the cramps. I wouldn't want to wish the pain I had for the last 8 miles on anyone. The winning time was 9% slower than 2011, so if I take 9% off my time, it comes out to 2:39. I'm so close."

What makes the above so incredible, is that he is referring to how terrible it was and unsafe it was and he ran a 2:54 marathon! He was running with some top runners. I can't even imagine how it was for the 5-6 hour marathoners. Sounds like it was just a bad scene all around.

Hopefully everyone made it through safely. Glad that Grue made it through okay and hopefully will be able to kick butt in Green Bay.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Grue: So glad you survived. You fared better than many did. Smart move to walk. PR'ing with the Wellesley girls might not have been your best choice, but I'm guessing you were a bit delirious by then = built in excuse FWIW: it was still awesome living vicariously through you. Here's to a quick recovery

jb: "Baby Shower"??? If indeed this is attended, we won't have to ask you this.

________________

My update:

I rocked the elliptical after work last night for 70 minutes followed by ab ripper. This morning was Arms and Shoulders P90x. I'm hoping to get a bike ride in yet today as the weather is perfect, but silly work might get in the way.

 

[sho nuff]

just come home sloppy drunk by noon?

 

[Sand]

If I'm sloshing around mud and water I'll take 80.

Wet and slightly nippy? That just means all the chicks' headlamps will be turned on.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I flat out forgot about the Warrior Dash I signed up for this weekend. Its been unseasonably warm for even here, high 80's, for a few weeks now. Warrior Dash Day we're expecting mid to low 60's. Can't say that I'm super excited about this, it seemed like a great idea in October.

Make a day of it. Go early, enjoy the bands, drink a bunch beer and ogle hot muddy chicks (even in 60 degrees). If you merely go, run and go home you'll miss a ton. This is an event, not just a race. The fastest way over the cargo net is to roll versus trying to do a crab walk over it (you'll thank me later).

Co-worker just did a Rebel Race in Machester, NJ this weekend.Said it was horrible.There was no mud anywhere.At the finish line they organizers were mixing dirt and water in buckets to make mud.At the start everyone took off, within 30 seconds everyone was coughing from all the dust, 1st obstacle was a wall so picture 100 people dashing to a wall 50' away dust everywhere then everyone just standing there for 3-5 min coughing.

Its been pouring here for 2 days now, the course should be muddy. But I disagree, 65 and overcast is rather chilly to this southern guy. If I'm sloshing around mud and water I'll take 80. We go at 9:30. Unfortunately I won't be able to enjoy the day's festivities. I planned this so long ago a few things have come up. My son turns 2 next week and my wife scheduled to have his pictures taken at 2 that afternoon. Then we have to help host a "couples baby shower" that night. After writing all this out I'm wondering should I fake an injury or just come home sloppy drunk by noon?

Are they running on both weekend days? If so, as I recall, you can swap days if slots are available. Helpful WD Hint #2: they give you a free beer to return your timing chip (or any other timing chip). I gather the chips from my daughter's X- Country Team runners and my buddies and I drank for free all day We are putting even more planning in to this year.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Great work gutting it out Gru. Thought a lot about how rough that was going to be for you yesterday. Glad you came through in one piece.Here's to future good weather. I just had to warn my brother this morning about having a back up plan for his first marathon. We are both running the Flying Pig and I told him to be sure to make a back up pace or two in case we have the same type of weather. I am really hoping we don't, but better to be surprised in a good way than be unprepared for race day. Anything can happen. As all of you know, having Plans A - D are super helpful on race day.

As an over planner, this is something new. Do you actually plan paces A-D at MM pace? I use visioning to plan for anything and everything and use HR data to dictate the execution of the vision. I can see where an ever deeper A-D plan would help. I ran 9 miles on Sunday and was day dreaming a bit of the HIM I am signed up for in the Fall. I am thinking a run walk approach to the run will render the best results and the plan would be to check in post ride to determine the splits. I.E, feeling good, HR is where it needs to be, go at 10/2 run/walk and adjust both based on feel and HR. But, had not thought about the pace to go in conjunction with the run split. I'd love to hear more on this. Great training BTW and great to see you are making things work on both the running and family side of things!!

Thanks. It has been a bit tough, but I have been trying real hard to balance both worlds and it has worked out pretty well.As far as the planning goes, I usually go in with Plan A as the perfect scenario goal race and then kind of go down from there. I am not a HR guy completely. It interests me, but I usually don't worry about it all that much. Saying that, I usually just go by feel, but have goals set in order to back off if I feel like I am struggling, my legs just aren't there, or you wake up and the weather just sucks. Basically, each level is a level pace dropped down from each and Plan D is to just finish. Hopefully it never gets to there, but sometimes you just have to back out in order to save injury or other.Granted, I am mostly talking running and full marathon distance, so I am not sure how it would apply to other disciplines or tri-type races, but I think you can cross over into all. I, like you, try to prepare for everything so this helps as it does give a good idea of how things are going if you know your pacing. As I try to plan out the mileage and what times I want to hit, this strategy has helped me know when to back off and when to go for it. Hope this helps.

 

[17seconds]

Grue: Even if you don't have much you feel like sharing with your race, I'd love to hear about the carnage on the course.

Did 8 yesterday with 5 600m intervals. 12 today and I'll be doing it after 5pm since the high is 81 with no clouds.

 

[Ned]

My friend Luke finished in 2:54:38. Glad he is finished and presumably okay. I'm guessing he learned a bit about the power of heat/humidity on distance running. I'm proud of his effort even though I know he is probably incredibly disappointed at his time.

I know that I will never run a 2:54 marathon even if it was perfect conditions....and all down hill.....on a skateboard....with a motor.

I sure hope he will come to appreciate how insanely good that is in these conditions. Congrats to Luke!

I hope so....I'll chat with him tonight or tomorrow and I'll report back. To put it in perspective, last year he finished 340th (and running 2:44:49) and this year he finished 320th (time of 2:54:38). His PR overall is 2:42 at Philadelphia.

Here is what Luke texted me last night. "Thanks for the support. I truly appreciate it. I cannot begin to describe the conditions accurately to tell you how terrible it was. It was totally unsafe. I started cramping at mile 18. From there, I just tried to survive. I almost collapsed due to the cramps. I wouldn't want to wish the pain I had for the last 8 miles on anyone. The winning time was 9% slower than 2011, so if I take 9% off my time, it comes out to 2:39. I'm so close."

What makes the above so incredible, is that he is referring to how terrible it was and unsafe it was and he ran a 2:54 marathon! He was running with some top runners. I can't even imagine how it was for the 5-6 hour marathoners. Sounds like it was just a bad scene all around.

Hopefully everyone made it through safely. Glad that Grue made it through okay and hopefully will be able to kick butt in Green Bay.

That's world class effort.

 

[culdeus]

Possibly posted before. FYI for fans of Born to Run. That book almost talked me into running again, almost.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/running/trail-running/On-The-Trail-Of-The-White-Horse.html?page=1

 

[2Young2BBald]

Its been a while since I got butterflies about the tri swim start. This made them happen. Got the hang of the flying dismount last year (leaving the shoes on the pedals at T2). May have to graduate to the flying mount this year.

 

[wraith5]

Darrin - Great to see you back at it and congrats on the degree.2Young - Nice sand castles. Those pics on FB where awesome.Ned - Regarding the MAX heart rate for your wife. It never hurts to ask, you never know when she will say yes. And you can always tell her it is better for her health and it is just a sacrifice for you.Tri-man - Great run. 2 mile repeats don't really sound all that fun, but I am sure they help you out a ton.Sand - Great ride. I could not imagine being on a bike for 5 plus hours, but I am sure there are people out there that could not imagine running for 3.5 hours either.Wraith - Great to see you getting back into the racing spirit. Sounds like you are coming to peace with your dad. Knowing you as little as I do, I agree with The_Man who said you are clearly projecting yourself as a great father figure to your 2 sons. Keep on, keepin' on.Some serious work being done in here over the last few days. Looks like the FBG's are ramping up for another fine summer of tri's and racing season is just starting to get hot and heavy for the runner's.I am actually dreading the heat as well for my upcoming marathon. 3 weeks out and I am hoping for a bit of a drop in temperatures before then. I don't really want a steam bath, but will take whatever is thrown my way and deal with it.Saturday was a great run for me. My final 20 before heading into lower mileage. I averaged 8:24 per mile and I think around 150 for the heart rate. The best thing was that my legs were not even tired. Not even yesterday. I only started to feel a bit of fatigue after a day of yardwork.I am actually getting pretty stoked to see what I can do for this one. Should be interesting as I am still not set on my pacing, but am slowly forming a plan.

across the board here. I'm excited for your race, too!!

 

[wraith5]

It was kinda funny, my wife always picks on me for buying shoes (and being overly excited about it ). So I told her these were supposedly supposed to last twice as long, yada, yada, yada. Then The other day I won my office Masters pool and came away with $55. I went to my local running store to just see if they had a nice racing flat, I figured with a few 5K's planned and interval training I should grab a pair. Turns out they had the Netwon MV2 on clearance for $50!

She was not happy when she saw them.

I can't buy shoes until at least Christmas.

and We're all addicted to shoes, I think. I just placed a bulk order this weekend when I saw Amazon was selling the Gel Cumulus 13's for 69.95 with Prime shipping. My wife is going to love seeing a stack of boxes in my closet of brand new shoes. What the heck... at that price thats like buy 2 get 1 free.

I was buying in bulk, too, so finding out I was in the wrong shoe was a major bummer. Luckily RRS took 2 pair back no questions asked (including one pair with like 5 miles on them) but I was still stuck with one in the box pair of Brooks GTS. Figure they will be fine for yardwork, etc.

 

[wraith5]

My Update: Ran the Blue Bell 5k Fun run with both of my daughters this weekend. It was flat out hilarious. There were 4,000+ runners and the first mile was literally an all out walk. My youngest (6) was tuckered after .5, and spent most of the rest of the race on my shoulders (by most = virtually all). She did not stop talking the entire time, and we discussed such things as "why is bird poop wet and not brown" and "Daddy, would you rather have to wear pink every day, or have to work at Justice every day?". It was balls-out riveting. I did some running with her on my shoulders to keep up with the oldest, but the pain on my neck made me have to walk the majority (still with her on my shoulders, laughing and smiling). With .3 miles left, we were on top of a hill, and you could see the finish line. I took her down, and I bet her an ice cream that she couldn't run to the finish (free ice cream for all finishers as Blue Bell is an ice cream company). She took off, and I weaved and dodged person after person, and laughed the whole way. I was the old guy chasing her, and she even had a little extra kick at the finish. My oldest (10) finished in 41:23 (13:16 p/m); not bad having walked most of the first mile.Youngest beat me by :02 and finished in 47:22. Ice cream was had by all!!

This is most excellent!!

 

[wraith5]

Great work gutting it out Gru. Thought a lot about how rough that was going to be for you yesterday. Glad you came through in one piece.Here's to future good weather. I just had to warn my brother this morning about having a back up plan for his first marathon. We are both running the Flying Pig and I told him to be sure to make a back up pace or two in case we have the same type of weather. I am really hoping we don't, but better to be surprised in a good way than be unprepared for race day. Anything can happen. As all of you know, having Plans A - D are super helpful on race day.

As an over planner, this is something new. Do you actually plan paces A-D at MM pace? I use visioning to plan for anything and everything and use HR data to dictate the execution of the vision. I can see where an ever deeper A-D plan would help. I ran 9 miles on Sunday and was day dreaming a bit of the HIM I am signed up for in the Fall. I am thinking a run walk approach to the run will render the best results and the plan would be to check in post ride to determine the splits. I.E, feeling good, HR is where it needs to be, go at 10/2 run/walk and adjust both based on feel and HR. But, had not thought about the pace to go in conjunction with the run split. I'd love to hear more on this. Great training BTW and great to see you are making things work on both the running and family side of things!!

I'm just starting to imagine what it will be like to run after that HIM bike. Of course, I can't run more than a handful of miles right now... having different pre-determined, heat-based paces would be an interesting idea.

 

[wraith5]

Its been a while since I got butterflies about the tri swim start. This made them happen. Got the hang of the flying dismount last year (leaving the shoes on the pedals at T2). May have to graduate to the flying mount this year.

I don't get how this happens at all. It would be 10 minutes and some sort of falling injury if I tried either. ETA: love the video!

 

[2Young2BBald]

Its been a while since I got butterflies about the tri swim start. This made them happen. Got the hang of the flying dismount last year (leaving the shoes on the pedals at T2). May have to graduate to the flying mount this year.

I don't get how this happens at all. It would be 10 minutes and some sort of falling injury if I tried either. ETA: love the video!

I practiced about a 1/2 dozen times each time I rode the trainer last year and got sick of busting rubber bands without success on the mount. The dismount came much easier, but you need a nice straight shot in to transition, IMO. Any turns right before makes its tough. I was only able to get my leg over 2 of the 5 times I tried it, but it still makes for a faster transition having both feet out of the shoes. Glad this came up, I just realized I have not practiced this once this winter/spring.

 

[wraith5]

The ankles keep responding well, so I keep (slowishly) upping the mileage. My doc told me to drop the effort on this last run since I was pushing pretty hard on my 5k run.

4 miles, 8:22/mile (33:29), 170 bpm

That bpm is downright leisurely for me so I was pretty happy with the effort. Pushed the pace the last .4 or so but nothing crazy. Felt very comfortable.

My achilles are really starting to act up now, especially my right. So f'ing annoying after taking so much time off and stretching MUCH more than I used to. The PT appointments are starting to focus on that instead of the original impingement issue. Still, I was told once I can cross the 30 minute mark without issue, I'm getting pretty close.

 

[wraith5]

Its been a while since I got butterflies about the tri swim start. This made them happen. Got the hang of the flying dismount last year (leaving the shoes on the pedals at T2). May have to graduate to the flying mount this year.

I don't get how this happens at all. It would be 10 minutes and some sort of falling injury if I tried either. ETA: love the video!

I practiced about a 1/2 dozen times each time I rode the trainer last year and got sick of busting rubber bands without success on the mount. The dismount came much easier, but you need a nice straight shot in to transition, IMO. Any turns right before makes its tough. I was only able to get my leg over 2 of the 5 times I tried it, but it still makes for a faster transition having both feet out of the shoes. Glad this came up, I just realized I have not practiced this once this winter/spring.

It's an effort for me to remember to upclip myself before T2...

 

[BassNBrew]

Its been a while since I got butterflies about the tri swim start. This made them happen. Got the hang of the flying dismount last year (leaving the shoes on the pedals at T2). May have to graduate to the flying mount this year.

I don't get how this happens at all. It would be 10 minutes and some sort of falling injury if I tried either. ETA: love the video!

I practiced about a 1/2 dozen times each time I rode the trainer last year and got sick of busting rubber bands without success on the mount. The dismount came much easier, but you need a nice straight shot in to transition, IMO. Any turns right before makes its tough. I was only able to get my leg over 2 of the 5 times I tried it, but it still makes for a faster transition having both feet out of the shoes. Glad this came up, I just realized I have not practiced this once this winter/spring.

90% of the people doing this shouldn't be. I used to smoke the transitions w/o the fancy mount. I'd see people do this and then spend forever trying to get the shoes secure while weaving in front of other people. It only takes 10 to 15 secs to put on the shoes. While they were doing this I was hammering past them.The other issue I had was most courses were shoe clip friendly. Either you would encounter sand or the lots weren't swept. I didn't want to ride with pebbles in my shoes. The other big issue was most courses start with turns or some kind of uphill, making it hard to get up to speed quick enough to mess with the shoes.

The other show stopper for me was that I never go barefoot anywhere. I can run faster in my bike shoes then I can on rough pavement. It's a good idea to toughen up your feet if you are going to do this.

 

[Sand]

I was still stuck with one in the box pair of Brooks GTS.

Adrenalines? What size?

4 miles, 8:22/mile (33:29), 170 bpm

That bpm is downright leisurely for me so I was pretty happy with the effort. Pushed the pace the last .4 or so but nothing crazy. Felt very comfortable.

What are you, a hummingbird? In a practice run that HR has me about to blow chunks. :X

I practiced about a 1/2 dozen times each time I rode the trainer last year and got sick of busting rubber bands without success on the mount. The dismount came much easier, but you need a nice straight shot in to transition, IMO. Any turns right before makes its tough. I was only able to get my leg over 2 of the 5 times I tried it, but it still makes for a faster transition having both feet out of the shoes. Glad this came up, I just realized I have not practiced this once this winter/spring.

I'm dangerous on the dismount. Think
(a classic, I could watch that all day) - I tend to overcook that darn thing. Flying mounts are easy peasy, though, for whatever reason.

 

[wraith5]

I was still stuck with one in the box pair of Brooks GTS.

Adrenalines? What size?

yes - size 11.5 - and I'm pretty sure they are GTS 10s (so 2 models ago).

4 miles, 8:22/mile (33:29), 170 bpm

That bpm is downright leisurely for me so I was pretty happy with the effort. Pushed the pace the last .4 or so but nothing crazy. Felt very comfortable.

What are you, a hummingbird? In a practice run that HR has me about to blow chunks. :X

Yeah I know my HR is pretty high - my Max is about 194. Even going back to runs I did in 2009 (after a quick scan of my Garmin Connect page) I was averaging in the mid-170s on tempo runs so it's not unusual for me.

I'll tell you what though: after this whole thing with my Dad and his coronary heart disease, I'm viewing these high HRs somewhat differently...

I practiced about a 1/2 dozen times each time I rode the trainer last year and got sick of busting rubber bands without success on the mount. The dismount came much easier, but you need a nice straight shot in to transition, IMO. Any turns right before makes its tough. I was only able to get my leg over 2 of the 5 times I tried it, but it still makes for a faster transition having both feet out of the shoes. Glad this came up, I just realized I have not practiced this once this winter/spring.

I'm dangerous on the dismount. Think

It's just not right how much I enjoy watching that...

 

[Hang 10]

This speed work is starting to burn me out.

200 - 0:41

200 RI

400 - 1:30

400 RI

600 - 2:09

400 RI

800 - 2:50

400 RI

800 - 2:59

400 RI

600 - 2:11

400 RI

400 - 1:30

400 RI

200 - 0:42

It was hot & windy today...felt like I wanted to barf....I'm just over it.

 

[BassNBrew]

This speed work is starting to burn me out. 200 - 0:41200 RI400 - 1:30400 RI600 - 2:09400 RI800 - 2:50400 RI800 - 2:59400 RI600 - 2:11400 RI400 - 1:30400 RI200 - 0:42It was hot & windy today...felt like I wanted to barf....I'm just over it.

I see Hang10 posts and I come in for some speed.Just curious why your longer intervals are faster than your shorter intervals. Are you intentionally holding back? Your doing 1:30 400s and sub 3:00 800s. Your 600 is faster than your 200 and 400 added together.

 

[Ned]

My Update: Ran the Blue Bell 5k Fun run with both of my daughters this weekend. It was flat out hilarious. There were 4,000+ runners and the first mile was literally an all out walk. My youngest (6) was tuckered after .5, and spent most of the rest of the race on my shoulders (by most = virtually all). She did not stop talking the entire time, and we discussed such things as "why is bird poop wet and not brown" and "Daddy, would you rather have to wear pink every day, or have to work at Justice every day?". It was balls-out riveting. I did some running with her on my shoulders to keep up with the oldest, but the pain on my neck made me have to walk the majority (still with her on my shoulders, laughing and smiling). With .3 miles left, we were on top of a hill, and you could see the finish line. I took her down, and I bet her an ice cream that she couldn't run to the finish (free ice cream for all finishers as Blue Bell is an ice cream company). She took off, and I weaved and dodged person after person, and laughed the whole way. I was the old guy chasing her, and she even had a little extra kick at the finish. My oldest (10) finished in 41:23 (13:16 p/m); not bad having walked most of the first mile.Youngest beat me by :02 and finished in 47:22. Ice cream was had by all!!

This is most excellent!!

too cool doing this with the kids. I can't wait for the day when I can take my two boys to some races.

 

[Ned]

4 miles, 8:22/mile (33:29), 170 bpm That bpm is downright leisurely for me so I was pretty happy with the effort. Pushed the pace the last .4 or so but nothing crazy. Felt very comfortable.

What are you, a hummingbird? In a practice run that HR has me about to blow chunks. :X

 

[Hang 10]

This speed work is starting to burn me out. 200 - 0:41200 RI400 - 1:30400 RI600 - 2:09400 RI800 - 2:50400 RI800 - 2:59400 RI600 - 2:11400 RI400 - 1:30400 RI200 - 0:42It was hot & windy today...felt like I wanted to barf....I'm just over it.

I see Hang10 posts and I come in for some speed.Just curious why your longer intervals are faster than your shorter intervals. Are you intentionally holding back? Your doing 1:30 400s and sub 3:00 800s. Your 600 is faster than your 200 and 400 added together.

I ran my 200s & 400s into a pretty stiff headwind. Conversely my 600s & 800s were done with that same wind at my back. I do most my speed work down at our oceanfront board walk so 9 out of 10 times im going to be dealing with a steady wind effecting my run...each direction.