Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

[wraith5]

Wraith - take it easy, there, bud. Don't force things!!---Great 12.5 miles for me on Saturday - crisp, cool, sunny morning. My wife dropped me off by an expressway exit again as she headed to the 'burbs, and I ran home. 10 miles @ 7:57, HR=149, then 2.5 miles @ 7:21, HR=164.

Nice run!! Especially since I know you had to deal with some amount of traffic on that route. Luckily, everything felt good this morning (other than some fatigue), but I won't make the same mistake again. It's not worth the potential (likely) setback.

 

[wraith5]

Tested out a whole bunch of things on a 2+ hour trail run yesterday in preparation for a trail 1/2 marathon next weekend. Found some things I liked and some I didn't. I tried using iMapMyRun on the iPhone with an armband and hated it. I thought it would be nice to have the audible alerts each mile, along with total time. This app is not made for trail running at all. It was over .25 miles less than what I had on the Garmin, which I think was also about a 3rd of a mile light itself, due to turns and switchbacks. Additionally, at least 3 times, the voice spooked me as I thought it was a mountain bike coming up on me. I also think the armband restricted blood flow to my hand. My right hand was freezing the entire run (temp was 39-40 for the run).On the other hand, I tried running with a Camel Back for the first time and really liked it. I was surprised at how much I didn't notice it and how steady it stayed in position. If I ever use the iMapMyRun app again, I am going to tuck it in the Camel Back instead of the armband. Only thing that bugged me a bit was the sloshing of the water, but got used to this after a while. I plan on using run/walk for the trail 1/2 next weekend. I used 8/2s last year and found that it only added 2 minutes or so to my time, but I felt great throughout the race and recovering after. The two other times I ran it outright, I was miserable at the end and took a while to recover. Yesterday, I used 10/2s and really felt like I could go forever stamina-wise. HR average was 144, with a top HR of 172. When I decided to do an Ultra, I think this would be the way to go. I discovered that trail training runs are not for planners. I studied the trail map and thought I had a plan, but that went out the window when I realized how many intersecting trails. Instead of sticking to plan, I picked my next turn by feel, feeling good = taking the black - most difficult trail, laboring a bit, drop down to more difficult or easy. Studying the Garmin data and map in comparison to the trail map, I only retraced my path a couple of times and, ran almost every trail. I only missed some of the easier sections. Hope everyone is having a great weekend!!

You've probably posted this previously, but how many races are you doing this season? Are you using the run/walk plan for most of your longer runs now?

 

[gruecd]

Hey, guys. Legs are coming around nicely. First run back (4 miles) on Friday was a little rough, but I did a nice, easy 8-miler yesterday afternoon, and this morning I paced a buddy of mine to a 15-minute half marathon PR (1:51:56). He's running his first marathon in Green Bay next month, and his goal of going sub-4 looks totally do-able. I'm excited for him.

Gonna go hop on the bike for an hour or so, and then into the office for a while.

Hope you're all having a great weekend.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Tested out a whole bunch of things on a 2+ hour trail run yesterday in preparation for a trail 1/2 marathon next weekend. Found some things I liked and some I didn't. I tried using iMapMyRun on the iPhone with an armband and hated it. I thought it would be nice to have the audible alerts each mile, along with total time. This app is not made for trail running at all. It was over .25 miles less than what I had on the Garmin, which I think was also about a 3rd of a mile light itself, due to turns and switchbacks. Additionally, at least 3 times, the voice spooked me as I thought it was a mountain bike coming up on me. I also think the armband restricted blood flow to my hand. My right hand was freezing the entire run (temp was 39-40 for the run).On the other hand, I tried running with a Camel Back for the first time and really liked it. I was surprised at how much I didn't notice it and how steady it stayed in position. If I ever use the iMapMyRun app again, I am going to tuck it in the Camel Back instead of the armband. Only thing that bugged me a bit was the sloshing of the water, but got used to this after a while. I plan on using run/walk for the trail 1/2 next weekend. I used 8/2s last year and found that it only added 2 minutes or so to my time, but I felt great throughout the race and recovering after. The two other times I ran it outright, I was miserable at the end and took a while to recover. Yesterday, I used 10/2s and really felt like I could go forever stamina-wise. HR average was 144, with a top HR of 172. When I decided to do an Ultra, I think this would be the way to go. I discovered that trail training runs are not for planners. I studied the trail map and thought I had a plan, but that went out the window when I realized how many intersecting trails. Instead of sticking to plan, I picked my next turn by feel, feeling good = taking the black - most difficult trail, laboring a bit, drop down to more difficult or easy. Studying the Garmin data and map in comparison to the trail map, I only retraced my path a couple of times and, ran almost every trail. I only missed some of the easier sections. Hope everyone is having a great weekend!!

You've probably posted this previously, but how many races are you doing this season? Are you using the run/walk plan for most of your longer runs now?

Lots. Really, I am only thinking of using the run/walk for the trail 1/2 and the 13.1 at the end of the HIM. I am signed up for at least one Oly. I have a 50 minute 10K as my Oly 10K PR that I do not think I can touch, but my average for the 4 Olys I've done is around 52 minutes. For the 10 leg survival tri, I ran all of the 13.5+ miles on the trails without walking and think I can do this again. For next week's trail 1/2, I've run it in 2:19, 2:23 & 2:25. The 2:23, it was hot and I struggled the last three miles. Conversely, I was coming off an injury and was under trained last year, so I gave the 8/2 run/walk a shot and it worked real well getting the 2:25. When I did the HIM down in Muncie, I did the swim in under 40 minutes and averaged 19.9 MPH on the bike and it went to my head. I ran the first 5K in 27 minutes and then the bike crash injury caught up with me around mile 4. I think, if I had gone out with a run/walk, it would have put the bonk off a bit. For Tawas, if conditions are calm, it should be an easy swim, a tougher bike and an easier run as it is dead flat. Instead of burning out early on the run, I'd rather feel things out with a run/walk until the last 5K and then see whats left to run out. I know there are lots and lots of folks that disagree with Galloway's idea on run/walk, but for certain things, I think it fits.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Tested out a whole bunch of things on a 2+ hour trail run yesterday in preparation for a trail 1/2 marathon next weekend. Found some things I liked and some I didn't.

I tried using iMapMyRun on the iPhone with an armband and hated it. I thought it would be nice to have the audible alerts each mile, along with total time. This app is not made for trail running at all. It was over .25 miles less than what I had on the Garmin, which I think was also about a 3rd of a mile light itself, due to turns and switchbacks. Additionally, at least 3 times, the voice spooked me as I thought it was a mountain bike coming up on me. I also think the armband restricted blood flow to my hand. My right hand was freezing the entire run (temp was 39-40 for the run).

On the other hand, I tried running with a Camel Back for the first time and really liked it. I was surprised at how much I didn't notice it and how steady it stayed in position. If I ever use the iMapMyRun app again, I am going to tuck it in the Camel Back instead of the armband. Only thing that bugged me a bit was the sloshing of the water, but got used to this after a while.

I plan on using run/walk for the trail 1/2 next weekend. I used 8/2s last year and found that it only added 2 minutes or so to my time, but I felt great throughout the race and recovering after. The two other times I ran it outright, I was miserable at the end and took a while to recover. Yesterday, I used 10/2s and really felt like I could go forever stamina-wise. HR average was 144, with a top HR of 172. When I decided to do an Ultra, I think this would be the way to go. I discovered that trail training runs are not for planners. I studied the trail map and thought I had a plan, but that went out the window when I realized how many intersecting trails. Instead of sticking to plan, I picked my next turn by feel, feeling good = taking the black - most difficult trail, laboring a bit, drop down to more difficult or easy. Studying the Garmin data and map in comparison to the trail map, I only retraced my path a couple of times and, ran almost every trail. I only missed some of the easier sections.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend!!

This sounds like a lot of fun. Probably not for me because I'm a planner, well that and there's not in the way of trails where I live. Whenever I read stuff written by people who do ultras or trail runs on a regular basis, it always sounds so much more laid-back in some respects than road races, even though the distances and technical challenges of the course are obviously very serious.___________________

Anyway, I got in a 15 earlier this morning. Rather than running loops, I decided this time to run one big lap around my town, which meant doing all 15 miles with no water or fuel. Granted, I was never more than 3 miles or so from my truck if I had needed to cut back in for water, but it was something different. The last couple of miles were pretty hard, partly due to the fact that I was getting a little dehyraded out there, and partly because miles 11 and 12 were almost entirely into a 15-20 mph headwind, and I never quite recovered from that stretch. I'm not going to make a habit of this, but it was an interesting change-up at least.

Hope everybody's having a good weekend. Congrats on the medal, Acer.

 

[AcerFC]

Recap of my weekend

I had two races this past weekend, one a 5K and the other a HM. Was probably not the smartest to sign up for these after only being home for a week after my vacation but who thinks about that stuff before. Since I have not run more then 6 miles since I started up again in February, I decided that the 5K was what I wanted to focus on and the HM would be used as a baseline for me to improve upon.

Saturday 5K

Woke up and headed down to the race a little early. Made sure to empty the tank and headed to the start line. It was supposed to be raining all morning but it didnt at all. The clouds were out right until race time. The sun came thru and it was pretty warm. When the horn blew and I started running, I didnt feel good at all. I was bummed because I really wanted to run a good race. I just told myself to suck it up and do the best I can without ever taking it easy. Didnt have a good dinner the night before and I think that hurt a bit. Anyway, I actually started off very strong but just couldnt keep the pace after the first mile.

Garmin Info

Pace

Summary 22:33.8 3.12 7:14

1 6:37.7 1.00 6:38

2 7:30.0 1.00 7:30

3 7:37.9 1.00 7:38

4 :48.1 0.12 6:49

I actually came in at 22:29 according to the official clock. I didnt stop my watch immediately. So that was a PR after my awful feeling staring by close to 15 seconds. Nothing earth shattering but its a best and Ill take it. I wound up coming in 2nd in my age group for the medal. I know we dont run for the medals but I was proud to bring it home for my kids to see (they were psyched)so I stuck around for the ceremonies. Todays HM was again supposed to be rain all day and it stayed in until I got to my car. Only issue was not listening to music because I didnt want my iphone to get soaked. I got to the start line and reminded myself to take this one easy. The amount of people at the start line made that easy. I tried to stay at HR of 150 as long as I could since I thought that was slow enough to be a nice run. It was a challenging course with a wicked hill just after mile 9

Garmin Info

1 10:20.2 1.00 10:20

2 9:33.8 1.00 9:34

3 9:54.5 1.00 9:55

4 9:47.9 1.00 9:48

5 10:00.5 1.00 10:00

6 9:50.2 1.00 9:50

7 9:48.9 1.00 9:49

8 10:07.2 1.00 10:07

9 10:28.4 1.00 10:28

10 10:53.0 1.00 10:53

11 10:21.2 1.00 10:21

12 8:40.0 1.00 8:40

13 8:21.2 1.00 8:21

14 1:08.8 0.14 8:15

Summary 2:09:15.6 13.14 9:50

So I accomplished what I wanted in running an easy race and getting a time to improve on. Considering the one marathon I ran was 5:24, Im on my way to beating that easily. Only bad thing is my wife just looked at me and said why are you talking marathon again.Thanks as always to everyone here for motivation.

Is it sad that I actually like the T Shirt collection I am accumulating

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Nice job, Acer. That 5K time isn't shabby at all, and obviously it's always nice to get a PR. The fact that you managed to complete a half without running more than 6 miles (!) in the past several months is also a nice accomplishment. And you laid down a couple of nice miles at the end. Looks good.

 

[wraith5]

Anyway, I got in a 15 earlier this morning. Rather than running loops, I decided this time to run one big lap around my town, which meant doing all 15 miles with no water or fuel. Granted, I was never more than 3 miles or so from my truck if I had needed to cut back in for water, but it was something different. The last couple of miles were pretty hard, partly due to the fact that I was getting a little dehyraded out there, and partly because miles 11 and 12 were almost entirely into a 15-20 mph headwind, and I never quite recovered from that stretch. I'm not going to make a habit of this, but it was an interesting change-up.

Good job on the 15! Why not bring a water bottle or Camelbak on this type of run?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Anyway, I got in a 15 earlier this morning. Rather than running loops, I decided this time to run one big lap around my town, which meant doing all 15 miles with no water or fuel. Granted, I was never more than 3 miles or so from my truck if I had needed to cut back in for water, but it was something different. The last couple of miles were pretty hard, partly due to the fact that I was getting a little dehyraded out there, and partly because miles 11 and 12 were almost entirely into a 15-20 mph headwind, and I never quite recovered from that stretch. I'm not going to make a habit of this, but it was an interesting change-up.

Good job on the 15! Why not bring a water bottle or Camelbak on this type of run?

I don't own a Camelbak (thinking of buying one for this summer), and I've just never liked running with a hand-held water bottle. It wasn't really that bad -- it was barely 40 when I started and probably around 55 when I finished, so it's not like this was one of those runs where you needed water every 3 miles. Still wasn't the best idea though, and obviously this would be an awful idea when it warms up.

 

[wraith5]

Anyway, I got in a 15 earlier this morning. Rather than running loops, I decided this time to run one big lap around my town, which meant doing all 15 miles with no water or fuel. Granted, I was never more than 3 miles or so from my truck if I had needed to cut back in for water, but it was something different. The last couple of miles were pretty hard, partly due to the fact that I was getting a little dehyraded out there, and partly because miles 11 and 12 were almost entirely into a 15-20 mph headwind, and I never quite recovered from that stretch. I'm not going to make a habit of this, but it was an interesting change-up.

Good job on the 15! Why not bring a water bottle or Camelbak on this type of run?

I don't own a Camelbak (thinking of buying one for this summer), and I've just never liked running with a hand-held water bottle. It wasn't really that bad -- it was barely 40 when I started and probably around 55 when I finished, so it's not like this was one of those runs where you needed water every 3 miles. Still wasn't the best idea though, and obviously this would be an awful idea when it warms up.

I'm a little jealous - I just can't run more than maybe 8 miles without water. I sweat a lot. I used to use a Camelbak on my runs, then 2 years ago I switched to Nathan bottles. I have a 1 bottle and a 2 bottle belt. The 2 takes some getting used to but I hardly notice the 1.

 

[sho nuff]

Hey, guys. Legs are coming around nicely. First run back (4 miles) on Friday was a little rough, but I did a nice, easy 8-miler yesterday afternoon, and this morning I paced a buddy of mine to a 15-minute half marathon PR (1:51:56). He's running his first marathon in Green Bay next month, and his goal of going sub-4 looks totally do-able. I'm excited for him.Gonna go hop on the bike for an hour or so, and then into the office for a while. Hope you're all having a great weekend.

So...less than a week after a freaking hot Boston race...you go for 4...8...then pace a 1:51 half?Thats just downright disgusting and I mean that in a good way.WOW.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Actually, I can't figure out why I haven't just asked you guys for a recommendation here. If I'm looking for a backpack-style hydration system, what do you recommend? The factors to consider are:

1) This is just for running. Not biking, not hiking. This means I'm worried a little more about stuff sloshing around, but not worried at all about extra storage. All my running shorts have pockets, so I can carry fuel even if the vest doesn't have anything.

2) We're talking about runs of 12+ during the summer, with a max of 22. I would rather go smaller and plan on swinging by my truck once during a 22-miler than to buy a bigger, heavier pack that would be overkill for a 16-miler.

3) Style doesn't matter much as long as the functionality is there. I figure running around town with a Camelbak (or whatever) is going to look dorky no matter what, but a lot of people in my little town see me running all the time, so they know I'm serious about it. People who know me would see me with a backpack and say "Ivan must be going long today" as opposed to "Look at the doosh with the backpack." Granted, most people who know me probably think I'm a doosh, but not for that reason.

So what do you guys think? I thought this looked good, as did this. Another question -- how bad is black for a color? Given that I would only wear this during the summer for marathon training, I'm thinking that's a no-go, but maybe it's no big deal.

 

[AcerFC]

I have never had one of those on my back. Wouldn't it weigh you down at all? Interested in hearing from those that use it. I wouldn't mind getting one since I plan on some long rubs soon

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Had an amazing run today fellas!On monday I ran 4 miles in 2742Today I ran the same 4 miles in 2646!!!I put in more effort at the start and tried to pick up my pace whenever possible.

I ran the same 4 mile route today in 2647, but didn't feel great during it...although I turned in the same time.

 

[prosopis]

Actually, I can't figure out why I haven't just asked you guys for a recommendation here. If I'm looking for a backpack-style hydration system, what do you recommend? The factors to consider are:

1) This is just for running. Not biking, not hiking. This means I'm worried a little more about stuff sloshing around, but not worried at all about extra storage. All my running shorts have pockets, so I can carry fuel even if the vest doesn't have anything.

2) We're talking about runs of 12+ during the summer, with a max of 22. I would rather go smaller and plan on swinging by my truck once during a 22-miler than to buy a bigger, heavier pack that would be overkill for a 16-miler.

3) Style doesn't matter much as long as the functionality is there. I figure running around town with a Camelbak (or whatever) is going to look dorky no matter what, but a lot of people in my little town see me running all the time, so they know I'm serious about it. People who know me would see me with a backpack and say "Ivan must be going long today" as opposed to "Look at the doosh with the backpack." Granted, most people who know me probably think I'm a doosh, but not for that reason.

So what do you guys think? I thought this looked good, as did this. Another question -- how bad is black for a color? Given that I would only wear this during the summer for marathon training, I'm thinking that's a no-go, but maybe it's no big deal.

I am right with you here.

 

[gruecd]

Actually, I can't figure out why I haven't just asked you guys for a recommendation here. If I'm looking for a backpack-style hydration system, what do you recommend? The factors to consider are:

1) This is just for running. Not biking, not hiking. This means I'm worried a little more about stuff sloshing around, but not worried at all about extra storage. All my running shorts have pockets, so I can carry fuel even if the vest doesn't have anything.

2) We're talking about runs of 12+ during the summer, with a max of 22. I would rather go smaller and plan on swinging by my truck once during a 22-miler than to buy a bigger, heavier pack that would be overkill for a 16-miler.

3) Style doesn't matter much as long as the functionality is there. I figure running around town with a Camelbak (or whatever) is going to look dorky no matter what, but a lot of people in my little town see me running all the time, so they know I'm serious about it. People who know me would see me with a backpack and say "Ivan must be going long today" as opposed to "Look at the doosh with the backpack." Granted, most people who know me probably think I'm a doosh, but not for that reason.

So what do you guys think? I thought this looked good, as did this. Another question -- how bad is black for a color? Given that I would only wear this during the summer for marathon training, I'm thinking that's a no-go, but maybe it's no big deal.

I just bought one. It was highly recommended by a couple of very good ultramarathon buddies of mine. I know it's a Nathan, but I'll have to look at the specific model. Not at home right now.ETA: I'm 99% sure it's the first one that you linked.

 

[gruecd]

I have never had one of those on my back. Wouldn't it weigh you down at all? Interested in hearing from those that use it. I wouldn't mind getting one since I plan on some long rubs soon

 

[AcerFC]

iPhone auto correct.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

iPhone auto correct.

Hey long rubs are nothing to be ashamed of...

 

[2Young2BBald]

Actually, I can't figure out why I haven't just asked you guys for a recommendation here. If I'm looking for a backpack-style hydration system, what do you recommend? The factors to consider are:

1) This is just for running. Not biking, not hiking. This means I'm worried a little more about stuff sloshing around, but not worried at all about extra storage. All my running shorts have pockets, so I can carry fuel even if the vest doesn't have anything.

2) We're talking about runs of 12+ during the summer, with a max of 22. I would rather go smaller and plan on swinging by my truck once during a 22-miler than to buy a bigger, heavier pack that would be overkill for a 16-miler.

3) Style doesn't matter much as long as the functionality is there. I figure running around town with a Camelbak (or whatever) is going to look dorky no matter what, but a lot of people in my little town see me running all the time, so they know I'm serious about it. People who know me would see me with a backpack and say "Ivan must be going long today" as opposed to "Look at the doosh with the backpack." Granted, most people who know me probably think I'm a doosh, but not for that reason.

So what do you guys think? I thought this looked good, as did this. Another question -- how bad is black for a color? Given that I would only wear this during the summer for marathon training, I'm thinking that's a no-go, but maybe it's no big deal.

The Camelback 50oz is what I ran with yesterday (actually had 36 ounces of water, that was part of the test too). Other than the sloshing of the water, I didn't even notice it was there. I certainly had everyone on the trails out-dooshed too. Not only did I have the Camelback, I was wearing compression sleeves, a Garmin 310XT and an iPhone on my arm that was talking out loud. I was like a trail running Urkel. I saw you post about trail running too. I was the thread neurotic for years and I over planned and thought about everything. I still do, but I've stopped stressing the small stuff and am taking it all in more. Running-wise, I have too much going on with the kids and work to focus fully on a regimented plan. When I've done this in the past, other things have suffered. So, I have to get in workouts when I can and, if I am going to spend 2 hours training on a Saturday, I feel like I have to enjoy it, instead of feeling like work (which marathon training in '08 very much did). My "guy's nights out or golf outings" tend to be trail races or destination triathlons where I get racing in and even more social times. My favorite race last year, I finished dead last in my AG and it took me 5+ hours to do. But, I also got to swim across 3 different lakes with my shoes tucked in my tri suit so I could put them back on and trail run on the other side and got to bike a little too. The whole time, I found myself thinking equal parts of "who the hell does something like this" and "man, I can't believe this is me doing this".

 

[wraith5]

I certainly had everyone on the trails out-dooshed too. Not only did I have the Camelback, I was wearing compression sleeves, a Garmin 310XT and an iPhone on my arm that was talking out loud. I was like a trail running Urkel.

 

[tri-man 47]

iPhone auto correct.

Hey long rubs are nothing to be ashamed of...

For those I prefer a good cameltoe.

 

[prosopis]

I have a camelback that I have used on long trail runs. I get a ton of chafing on by back. My shirt will also ride up my back when wearing the camel back. Any one ever have these issues and what was your solution?

 

[wraith5]

I have a camelback that I have used on long trail runs. I get a ton of chafing on by back. My shirt will also ride up my back when wearing the camel back. Any one ever have these issues and what was your solution?

I've had similar issues with the backpack style hydration packs. Constant adjustment on the fly. For that reason, unless I'm doing a 20 miler (or so) with no option for looping to pick up fresh 22 oz bottles, I reserve the backpacks for bike rides. That said, I've eyeballed that Nathan model a couple of times, and I don't have the Camelbak model that 2Y said works well for him.

 

[prosopis]

I have a camelback that I have used on long trail runs. I get a ton of chafing on by back. My shirt will also ride up my back when wearing the camel back. Any one ever have these issues and what was your solution?

I've had similar issues with the backpack style hydration packs. Constant adjustment on the fly. For that reason, unless I'm doing a 20 miler (or so) with no option for looping to pick up fresh 22 oz bottles, I reserve the backpacks for bike rides. That said, I've eyeballed that Nathan model a couple of times, and I don't have the Camelbak model that 2Y said works well for him.

The Nathan model linked does not look much different then my camel back. I think I would still get chafing. Maybe Glide would help some?

 

[Ned]

Acer - congrats on the PR! Also, I had no idea that you hadn't run anything longer than 6 in the past few months. Going out and doing a weekend double, any double, is awesome. Making the 2nd race a HM is bad ###.

grue - Glad to hear you're recovering quick and congrats to your buddy. 15mins is a hell of an improvement for a marathon. Doing that for a HM is insane.

wraith - I echo tri's sentiments. It sounds like you're hammering some of these runs pretty hard. Keep it cool, GB.

Ivan - I know the feeling on those experiments. Unfortunately the only way to find out our limits is to push them. At least you know your boundaries on hydration now. Camelbacks - I hate them. I ran with one last year when I started my first marathon cycle and got sick of it quick. My biggest complaint was the heat factor. I could really feel the heat being trapped on my back. I also hated the shirt riding/bunching, the sloshing, etc. I'll take my Amphipod Runlite belt over a Camelback any day of the week. I like the customization you can do with it. You can add/remove bottles depending on what you need. They also make 10.5 oz bottles that fit the holders if you want to start carrying more than 32oz (I have the Runlite 4 with 8oz bottles).

2Y2BB - at the trail doosh. 10 years ago that would've sounded like something we'd see in 2050, not 2012.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Hey all. Great work being put in. Glad to hear everyone keeping up with the miles.

Wraith - I did reply to you on Friday, but it did not post. I do get nosebleeds frequently, but seldom when running. I have been sneezing quite a bit with colds and the spring air so I am sure I have knocked something a little loose in my nose.

As far as backpacks go, I have a Camelback as well. I can't say that I like it, but it gets the job done. I have the 70oz one and it works well enough in the winter, but I wish I had the 100 oz one for the Summer. The summer just gets so hot and I lose so much water over the run, I feel like I need that extra fluid. I do feel like it weighs me down some, but come race day when you don't have to carry it, you will feel lighter on your feet a bit so it may help you. I know for the super long ultra runs, some people wear a weighted vest so consider it part of training. I have a bit of rubbing on mine, but it takes ahwile to get used to and adjust it properly.

Funny that you guys mentioned the equipment that we have when we run. I know I get some pretty strange looks here at work when I am getting ready for a run. I often feel as though I am a miniature robot going out for a run with all of the wires and gadgets I have with me. Luckily there are a lot of runners at the gym so they think nothing of it.

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Got in my last long run of this cycle. Did 17 yesterday averaging 8:24 per. Overall, I am glad I got this one in, but it was not a great run. I had a rough night of sleep and still have some lingering effects of a cold. Either way, I got it in and was good enough for me. Now it is taper time. Usually, I am not excited about the taper, but I need the extra rest. I am feeling it now and need it. I know I will start to feel the madness, but hopefully not until right before the race.

Have a great day all.

 

[Ned]

I had a whirlwind of a weekend. I flew down to Austin, TX on Friday with my wife and sister to see my cousin get married. Since my wife and sister are in the meat of their training for next month's marathon relay, we decided to take our running gear with us so they could get their long run in on Saturday (7mi). This was their longest run ever, so it was cool to be part of it. It was extra cool getting it done in a different place. We ran a path around Lady Lake in downtown Austin. Its a gorgeous path, but crowded too. 8am on a Saturday and we had to do quite a bit of weeving thru traffic. Originally I wasn't really planning on any running while in Austin and just chalking it up as taper/resting, but I couldn't resist. The pace was super easy and helped satisfy that itch to run. Ended at 11:59/121

Sunday I had planned on running my last double digit run (12) when we got home. With our flight leaving Austin at 6:50am, I knew I was going to be hurtin'. This early flight home was painful, but it was the only option we had without stretching it out to Monday. We woke up at 4am to get to the airport. GB waking up still drunk and trying to get thru security.

After playing with the kids some, I forced myself out the door. Adding salt in the wound, it was pouring rain. After about 2mi, I started to feel so much better. I guess running in the rain is the perfect hangover cure. I felt amazing from there on out. My legs felt so solid. I had every trick in the bag at that point. Maybe I'll get sloppy drunk on Friday night before my race. I can only hope/pray that my legs feel as good as the did yesterday. Ended at 9:32/143. That HR is astounding to me. I used to struggle to keep my HR that low on 5-6mi recovery runs.

Taper week #2 in the books at 38mi. Only a couple more easy runs before it's go time on Saturday.

 

[AcerFC]

Has anyone been a part of putting on an event?

We have a scholarship fund for my FIL who passed away last year. I was thinking of attempting to set up a race for the fund.

I have zero knowledge of what goes into it.

 

[sho nuff]

Been considering a backpack for the summer/fall marathon cycle.

But likely just going to get the extra 2 bottles to put on my fuel belt.

Should be around 40oz of water and I will loop around my car for refills when necessary...my longest runs should not be during the summer heat either for a December marathon.

And I think we all get those funny looks when we are geared up for a run.

Fuel belt, calf sleeves, knee brace things, Garmin watch, sometimes a headband or skull cap when its cloudy, short sleeve or sleeveless shirts and shorts when its 40-50 degrees and people are out walking in pants and long sleeves. Oh, and several times with my some pretty bright colored shoes.

I was looking at a thing on The Color Run that a friend had posted on facebook when my son came in and said it looked like fun.

May try getting him up to the distance and doing it with him next October if it does not also coincide with our Disney trip.

 

[jb1020]

Nice weekend Acer, You have me edged out by 11 seconds on that 5K time. I'd be nervous as hell if the most I had run was 6 miles, then was standing in line to run a Half.

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I highly recommend doing a warrior dash. If you have sissy little girl ankles like me be sure to tape them. Lots of people commented on how nice the trail here was setup. It was held at a place folks actually pay to take their 4 wheelers mud ridding, so there were a few deceivingly deep mud holes. Its the only one I've ever run, but this guy was telling me the one in Nashville was pretty much a gravel road with some obstacles on it.

I pretty much ran without care thru the first few, while a bunch of people daintily walked around the edges. But after rolling my ankle then seeing one guy fall off in a rut that was neck deep I decided acting like Rambo probably wasn't in my best interest.

55 degrees was pretty cold when coupled with swimming and sloshing thru mud.

Will definitely do it again, but not if I have any sort of race planned. I tried to go for an easy 4 miles yesterday and didn't make it .25 miles before my ankle started throbbing.

 

[jb1020]

I have a little handheld bottle. It's not ideal, but in the past year my county/city has really stepped it up. A little over a mile from my house is a paved running/biking trail. They have fountains set up about every 4-5 miles. Its a big loop that's right at 11 miles.

I've never tried running with a camelbak, but I have biked with one. On really hot days I'd freeze it the night before. Feels great.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Ran 5 this morning. Tried something a bit different to push myself at the end.

0.5 miles: 10:00 pace

2 miles: 9:40 pace

1.5 miles: 9:31 pace

0.5 miles: 9:06 pace

0.5 miles: 8:34 pace

I was sucking wind the last .25, was just short of uncomfortable. I think I could have pressed and ran the entire 5 at around a 9:30 or so pace.

 

[tri-man 47]

I'll take my Amphipod Runlite belt over a Camelback any day of the week. I like the customization you can do with it. You can add/remove bottles depending on what you need. They also make 10.5 oz bottles that fit the holders if you want to start carrying more than 32oz (I have the Runlite 4 with 8oz bottles).

I have the same belt. I'll rarely bring more than two of the bottles. Since I'm in a near-west suburb of Chicago, I can plan my runs to pass city parks/drinking fountains on hot summer days. But in general, 16 oz of Accelerade will get me through long runs of up to 15-16 miles. I didn't bring anything on Saturday's 12.5 miler in cool temps and I was fine.Successfully finished a 12 hour plumbing project yesterday. My viewpoint? Cross-training while saving a lot of money. Lots of sore spots today, but some yoga/stretching helped a lot.

 

[sho nuff]

Nice weekend Acer, You have me edged out by 11 seconds on that 5K time. I'd be nervous as hell if the most I had run was 6 miles, then was standing in line to run a Half. __________________________________I highly recommend doing a warrior dash. If you have sissy little girl ankles like me be sure to tape them. Lots of people commented on how nice the trail here was setup. It was held at a place folks actually pay to take their 4 wheelers mud ridding, so there were a few deceivingly deep mud holes. Its the only one I've ever run, but this guy was telling me the one in Nashville was pretty much a gravel road with some obstacles on it. I pretty much ran without care thru the first few, while a bunch of people daintily walked around the edges. But after rolling my ankle then seeing one guy fall off in a rut that was neck deep I decided acting like Rambo probably wasn't in my best interest. 55 degrees was pretty cold when coupled with swimming and sloshing thru mud. Will definitely do it again, but not if I have any sort of race planned. I tried to go for an easy 4 miles yesterday and didn't make it .25 miles before my ankle started throbbing.

Not sure about the Nashville one this year.Last year's was down by where Bonnaroo is...it was mostly a gravel trail and some mowed down fields.

 

[comfortably numb]

Great job Acer! Stay safe!

and

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and, tell your wife to go make you a sandwich!

Almost there Ned, way to get some last weekend action in!

Rain running is awesome.

Don't have the stats as I left my garmin at home

Did 5miles on Saturday

wanna say 47:41

Will get some runs is during the week, and sign up for a 5k somewhere on SAT

I'm itching it's been over a month since entering in anything.

 

[gruecd]

I have the same belt. I'll rarely bring more than two of the bottles. Since I'm in a near-west suburb of Chicago, I can plan my runs to pass city parks/drinking fountains on hot summer days. But in general, 16 oz of Accelerade will get me through long runs of up to 15-16 miles. I didn't bring anything on Saturday's 12.5 miler in cool temps and I was fine.

I got the Nathan backpack for when I start doing long trail runs for my ultra training. I don't want to have to keep looping back to the car, and there's nowhere decent to stop along the way.

 

[pigskinliquors]

TriMan: LOL at the picture!

Wraith: I avoided back to back days for the last 6 years of my running. Using cycling as a recovery is a great way to go!

I got a medal today. Lolz.

I'll report back tomorrow after my HM

Great races Acer!!!!!!!!!!!!! A PR and a half = a great weekend!2Young: Thanks for the heads up on iMap, as I'm considering it. For running the key to a good camelback is that it has two straps. One around the chest, the other around the belly button. As long as they have that, it's then just a matter of what you desire for storage. Run/Walk for trail running makes perfect sense

Did 40 miles on the bike this morning - the first half I averaged about 17.5mph, pretty decent for me. Then I turned around and discovered the 15mph "breeze" was in my face. the.whole.way.home. I can't take that ####!! Seriously lucky I made it back without stopping and/or passing out on the way. I was completely spent. Pretty sure that's the longest ride I've ever done tho. My respect for you riders continues to grow...

I hate it when you think the wind is one way and it isn't.

Hey, guys. Legs are coming around nicely.

Awesome to hear GB!

Anyway, I got in a 15 earlier this morning. Rather than running loops, I decided this time to run one big lap around my town, which meant doing all 15 miles with no water or fuel. Granted, I was never more than 3 miles or so from my truck if I had needed to cut back in for water, but it was something different. The last couple of miles were pretty hard, partly due to the fact that I was getting a little dehyraded out there, and partly because miles 11 and 12 were almost entirely into a 15-20 mph headwind, and I never quite recovered from that stretch. I'm not going to make a habit of this, but it was an interesting change-up at least.

Hope everybody's having a good weekend. Congrats on the medal, Acer.

In those conditions, I'd bank on A LOT dehydrated. Be careful!

iPhone auto correct.

Hey long rubs are nothing to be ashamed of...

I like to be rubbed-rong-time

I certainly had everyone on the trails out-dooshed too. Not only did I have the Camelback, I was wearing compression sleeves, a Garmin 310XT and an iPhone on my arm that was talking out loud. I was like a trail running Urkel.

I've represented those remarks!!

I had a whirlwind of a weekend. I flew down to Austin, TX...

I stopped reading there. Where's the love? I'd have made the trip to Austin to do a shot with you. ________________________________

My update:

Took a SDO on Saturday as it was my daughter's birthday party day. Sunday was a GREAT 41 mile ride, followed immediately by P90x Chest, Shoulders, Tri's. The wind was only 10 MPH'ish and it was a different wind than normal = the two toughest miles typically were both WITH the wind not against it. I decided to have only one goal = have all miles 20 MPH or better. My HR hit the 180's quite a few times, but I was able to do it. One fairly long climb was done in 2:58, and certainly the first time I've beaten it. In all 41 miles, averaging somewhere close to 21 MPH. I'll download the data tonight to better understand it.

 

[Ned]

I had a whirlwind of a weekend. I flew down to Austin, TX...

I stopped reading there. Where's the love? I'd have made the trip to Austin to do a shot with you.

I actually did look at a map when I was sitting in the airport Friday morning and saw College Station was over 2hrs away, so I didn't want to bother you with making the trek up for a tight window of time.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I had a whirlwind of a weekend. I flew down to Austin, TX...

I stopped reading there. Where's the love? I'd have made the trip to Austin to do a shot with you.

I actually did look at a map when I was sitting in the airport Friday morning and saw College Station was over less than 2hrs away, so I didn't want to bother you with making the trek up for a tight window of time.

fixed.Are you kidding me? I drove 2,000 miles round trip to have some beers with the Bourbon clan. Surely I could drive 90 minues to have a with Mr. HR.

 

[Ned]

I had a whirlwind of a weekend. I flew down to Austin, TX...

I stopped reading there. Where's the love? I'd have made the trip to Austin to do a shot with you.

I actually did look at a map when I was sitting in the airport Friday morning and saw College Station was over less than 2hrs away, so I didn't want to bother you with making the trek up for a tight window of time.

fixed.Are you kidding me? I drove 2,000 miles round trip to have some beers with the Bourbon clan. Surely I could drive 90 minues to have a with Mr. HR.

Well, ####. I didn't think much of it when Google maps said 2hrs. I forgot you did that for the Bourbon run. Yuengling is on me if you ever stroll on into the Philly area.

 

[wraith5]

Hey all. Great work being put in. Glad to hear everyone keeping up with the miles.Wraith - I did reply to you on Friday, but it did not post. I do get nosebleeds frequently, but seldom when running. I have been sneezing quite a bit with colds and the spring air so I am sure I have knocked something a little loose in my nose.As far as backpacks go, I have a Camelback as well. I can't say that I like it, but it gets the job done. I have the 70oz one and it works well enough in the winter, but I wish I had the 100 oz one for the Summer. The summer just gets so hot and I lose so much water over the run, I feel like I need that extra fluid. I do feel like it weighs me down some, but come race day when you don't have to carry it, you will feel lighter on your feet a bit so it may help you. I know for the super long ultra runs, some people wear a weighted vest so consider it part of training. I have a bit of rubbing on mine, but it takes ahwile to get used to and adjust it properly.Funny that you guys mentioned the equipment that we have when we run. I know I get some pretty strange looks here at work when I am getting ready for a run. I often feel as though I am a miniature robot going out for a run with all of the wires and gadgets I have with me. Luckily there are a lot of runners at the gym so they think nothing of it.-------------Got in my last long run of this cycle. Did 17 yesterday averaging 8:24 per. Overall, I am glad I got this one in, but it was not a great run. I had a rough night of sleep and still have some lingering effects of a cold. Either way, I got it in and was good enough for me. Now it is taper time. Usually, I am not excited about the taper, but I need the extra rest. I am feeling it now and need it. I know I will start to feel the madness, but hopefully not until right before the race.Have a great day all.

Your comment did post - it just ended up in one of the quote boxes. Sorry to hear that's a regular thing! Sounds to me like you pushed your training well if you're looking forward to the taper - that's a good sign! Great finale run!

 

[wraith5]

I had a whirlwind of a weekend. I flew down to Austin, TX...

I stopped reading there. Where's the love? I'd have made the trip to Austin to do a shot with you.

I actually did look at a map when I was sitting in the airport Friday morning and saw College Station was over less than 2hrs away, so I didn't want to bother you with making the trek up for a tight window of time.

fixed.Are you kidding me? I drove 2,000 miles round trip to have some beers with the Bourbon clan. Surely I could drive 90 minues to have a with Mr. HR.

That was seriously awesome and absolutely bat-sh## crazy that you did that.

 

[tri-man 47]

Yuengling is on me if you ever stroll on into the Philly area east of the Mississippi.

Fixed.

 

[wraith5]

Did 40 miles on the bike this morning - the first half I averaged about 17.5mph, pretty decent for me. Then I turned around and discovered the 15mph "breeze" was in my face. the.whole.way.home. I can't take that ####!! Seriously lucky I made it back without stopping and/or passing out on the way. I was completely spent. Pretty sure that's the longest ride I've ever done tho. My respect for you riders continues to grow...

My update:Sunday was a GREAT 41 mile ride, followed immediately by P90x Chest, Shoulders, Tri's. The wind was only 10 MPH'ish and it was a different wind than normal = the two toughest miles typically were both WITH the wind not against it. I decided to have only one goal = have all miles 20 MPH or better. My HR hit the 180's quite a few times, but I was able to do it. One fairly long climb was done in 2:58, and certainly the first time I've beaten it. In all 41 miles, averaging somewhere close to 21 MPH. I'll download the data tonight to better understand it.

<_< I haven't felt this inadequate since I posted a running update.

 

[Sand]

Did 40 miles on the bike this morning - the first half I averaged about 17.5mph, pretty decent for me. Then I turned around and discovered the 15mph "breeze" was in my face. the.whole.way.home. I can't take that ####!! Seriously lucky I made it back without stopping and/or passing out on the way. I was completely spent. Pretty sure that's the longest ride I've ever done tho. My respect for you riders continues to grow...

My update:Sunday was a GREAT 41 mile ride, followed immediately by P90x Chest, Shoulders, Tri's. The wind was only 10 MPH'ish and it was a different wind than normal = the two toughest miles typically were both WITH the wind not against it. I decided to have only one goal = have all miles 20 MPH or better. My HR hit the 180's quite a few times, but I was able to do it. One fairly long climb was done in 2:58, and certainly the first time I've beaten it. In all 41 miles, averaging somewhere close to 21 MPH. I'll download the data tonight to better understand it.

<_< I haven't felt this inadequate since I posted a running update.

Don't sweat it. I feel inadequate every time I get into a minivan.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Yuengling is on me if you ever stroll on into the Philly area east of the Mississippi.

Fixed.

for a Yuenling = absolutely!

Don't sweat it. I feel inadequate every time I get into a minivan.

Please don't click on the next picture link expecting the type of photo I'd usually post: http://www.spectatorphotography.com/?q=1856

Me and Marley "running" our 5k! FWIW: you can see her mouth is open. This is because she did not stop telling me stories and asking questions the entire 47 minutes she was up there. She's going to make a good wife some day.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Yuengling is on me if you ever stroll on into the Philly area east of the Mississippi.

Fixed.

for a Yuenling = absolutely!

Don't sweat it. I feel inadequate every time I get into a minivan.

Please don't click on the next picture link expecting the type of photo I'd usually post: http://www.spectatorphotography.com/?q=1856

Me and Marley "running" our 5k! FWIW: you can see her mouth is open. This is because she did not stop telling me stories and asking questions the entire 47 minutes she was up there. She's going to make a good wife some day.

That was nice of Dom Deliuse to run next to you both in a purple tutu.

 

[tri-man 47]

FWIW: you can see her mouth is open. This is because she did not stop telling me stories and asking questions the entire 47 minutes she was up there.

This is just so awesome. Bottle up that moment in time!!!

 

[prosopis]

FWIW: you can see her mouth is open. This is because she did not stop telling me stories and asking questions the entire 47 minutes she was up there.

This is just so awesome. Bottle up that moment in time!!!

Great picture.