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Ran a 10k in June (5 Viewers)
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Hang 10
Footballguy
jb1020
Footballguy
thank you sir.
gruecd
Footballguy
Things getting chippy in the RW thread about Green Bay. Someone posted an email dialogue that he had with the RD. I'm thinking the RD (my friend) should've stepped away from his computer for a while before hitting the "send" button on that one. I'm thinking he just got sick of all the criticism and felt the need to blow off some steam; guessing he might regret his choice of words. 
Hang 10
Footballguy
Well, what did he say??Things getting chippy in the RW thread about Green Bay. Someone posted an email dialogue that he had with the RD. I'm thinking the RD (my friend) should've stepped away from his computer for a while before hitting the "send" button on that one. I'm thinking he just got sick of all the criticism and felt the need to blow off some steam; guessing he might regret his choice of words.
sho nuff
Footballguy
He was fine til the selfish line.That said...t1000 is coming off terribly in there.His first email was one of the most childish things I have read in a while...and I doubt that guy has any clue what it would take to run an event like that.And what he and others fail to realize is its not just the runner's at stake.What happens when the event overwhelms the medical services and someone else has an emergency in the area?Things getting chippy in the RW thread about Green Bay. Someone posted an email dialogue that he had with the RD. I'm thinking the RD (my friend) should've stepped away from his computer for a while before hitting the "send" button on that one. I'm thinking he just got sick of all the criticism and felt the need to blow off some steam; guessing he might regret his choice of words.
Kuz
Footballguy
Just started to run this year.. I have been running about 15 miles a week since January. So I'm a total beginner etc.. I have a question about running outside vs treadmills. Is running on a treadmill with no incline much easier than running outside. I have been running a 5K on the treadmill the last month or so in about 25 minutes.. The last couple of weeks while running outside it seems I'm almost 2 minutes slower.. I'm guessing while running on the treadmill I should do an incline to 2 or something. Is this sort of normal. Keep in mind that I have only ran outside about 6 times so far this year. I'm hoping this will improve as I have a 5K coming up in 3 weeks & want to be much closer to 25 than 27 or 28 minutes.
gruecd
Footballguy
He told the guy that he was "naive, selfish, and irresponsible" for trying to BQ under those conditions. But like sho nuff said, the other dude ("t1000") was being a total ########. Not sure I could've kept my cool, either.The other thing is that everybody keeps saying that they should've just gotten more medical personnel, more ambulances. So it's OK to have people falling over left and right as long as you've got enough meat wagons to haul them away???? I'm as competitive as anyone, but people are really losing track of what's important here.He was fine til the selfish line.That said...t1000 is coming off terribly in there.Things getting chippy in the RW thread about Green Bay. Someone posted an email dialogue that he had with the RD. I'm thinking the RD (my friend) should've stepped away from his computer for a while before hitting the "send" button on that one. I'm thinking he just got sick of all the criticism and felt the need to blow off some steam; guessing he might regret his choice of words.
His first email was one of the most childish things I have read in a while...and I doubt that guy has any clue what it would take to run an event like that.
And what he and others fail to realize is its not just the runner's at stake.
What happens when the event overwhelms the medical services and someone else has an emergency in the area?
sho nuff
Footballguy
It seems a bit different for each person.Few things....Incline...as you mention, you run outside and there is no flat way to run...not completely flat. There will be ups and downs. I would not just put it on 2 on the TM...but move it up and down as you want to simulate some hills is a good idea.Resistance...the TM gives no resistance...its a moving belt and you just have to keep up. Road running there is resistance to your motion.Now, that said, I find it easier to keep faster paces on the road than I do on the TM. Have no idea why that is.I typically run no more than 6 miles or so on my TM...and try to limit that. Now, this summer with the heat, and having my kids home more, I may be on the TM more than I would like.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...just because some people are handling it well...you can't keep it up. You are setting yourself up to get sued big time by people or to have someone die on your course.And a race can only take so many of the resources for an area. They have to keep things for people other than runners (something some still don't seem to understand).He told the guy that he was "naive, selfish, and irresponsible" for trying to BQ under those conditions. But like sho nuff said, the other dude ("t1000") was being a total ########. Not sure I could've kept my cool, either.The other thing is that everybody keeps saying that they should've just gotten more medical personnel, more ambulances. So it's OK to have people falling over left and right as long as you've got enough meat wagons to haul them away???? I'm as competitive as anyone, but people are really losing track of what's important here.He was fine til the selfish line.That said...t1000 is coming off terribly in there.Things getting chippy in the RW thread about Green Bay. Someone posted an email dialogue that he had with the RD. I'm thinking the RD (my friend) should've stepped away from his computer for a while before hitting the "send" button on that one. I'm thinking he just got sick of all the criticism and felt the need to blow off some steam; guessing he might regret his choice of words.
His first email was one of the most childish things I have read in a while...and I doubt that guy has any clue what it would take to run an event like that.
And what he and others fail to realize is its not just the runner's at stake.
What happens when the event overwhelms the medical services and someone else has an emergency in the area?
Put it simply to some like t1000...what if his kid needed medical attention in the area but could not get it...would he feel the same way then?
There are things that can be planned for...but once you reach a breaking point of your planning, they had to pull the plug on the event.
It sucks...but crap happens sometimes.
Kuz
Footballguy
I'll try that.. Thanks for the tips
Sand
Footballguy
Keep in mind that many treadmills are way off in terms of belt speed. So there is another variable in there. That said I tend to be faster on the road, too.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Hey Gentlemen, hope your runs have been going well. The 5K I was supposed to run in was this weekend and the winner had a very poor time. I would've won by almost 3 minutes if I didn't get injured...ugh.
gruecd
Footballguy
That sucks.
There's an 8K on Monday morning (Memorial Day) that starts about a mile away from my house. It's a first-time event sponsored by a local church, and with a lot of people being out of town for the long weekend, I doubt there will be much competition. Might head over and see if I can pick up a cheap win. It'll be nice....jog over, race, jog home.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Won by 3 minutes?? What was the winning time and what did you expect to run?
He's in a no win situation and should as you say just step away. It's wrong to call out some trying to BQ...basically he's also calling out guys like Jux with that blanket statement. That said, being a RD can be the suck.Regarding your last staement, their are plenty of events that go on in much worse conditions. Most ironmans are run with people doing a marys in 70-80 weather in the afternoon sun after doing a bunch of running/biking. So I guess it comes down to the number of meat wagons avialable otherwise these events wouldn't be run. Heck, it would have taken most of the day to extract me if I'd broken a leg on an icy trail a mile from the Mitchell summit. Obviously you adjust your pace for the conditions or pay the price.He told the guy that he was "naive, selfish, and irresponsible" for trying to BQ under those conditions. But like sho nuff said, the other dude ("t1000") was being a total ########. Not sure I could've kept my cool, either.The other thing is that everybody keeps saying that they should've just gotten more medical personnel, more ambulances. So it's OK to have people falling over left and right as long as you've got enough meat wagons to haul them away???? I'm as competitive as anyone, but people are really losing track of what's important here.He was fine til the selfish line.That said...t1000 is coming off terribly in there.Things getting chippy in the RW thread about Green Bay. Someone posted an email dialogue that he had with the RD. I'm thinking the RD (my friend) should've stepped away from his computer for a while before hitting the "send" button on that one. I'm thinking he just got sick of all the criticism and felt the need to blow off some steam; guessing he might regret his choice of words.
His first email was one of the most childish things I have read in a while...and I doubt that guy has any clue what it would take to run an event like that.
And what he and others fail to realize is its not just the runner's at stake.
What happens when the event overwhelms the medical services and someone else has an emergency in the area?
Like you said, there are limited resources in Green Bay which left limited options. They may want to consider down sizing the event if it taxes the safety resources or moving the date.
How did things they handle things in Boston? Was the body count through the roof? Obviously a bigger city, but alot more people in a congested area too.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Catching up from the weekend and wow there is a lot going on.
Jux, man I am sorry for all went down. Reading up on everything that occurred, I cannot fault the RD, but it still sucks for all that had to pull the plug on the run. The fact that were are not reading about heat strike, comas or even death really does support that ending when they did was right. I ran the Detroit 1/2 a few years back in which 3 runner died and I saw 2 of the 3 receiving CPR (and this was under almost ideal weather conditions) and this messed with my head for quite a long time. I hope you catch a break find good weather for a race early next month.
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I ran the Back to the Beach 1/2 Marathon on Sunday in the same wicked heat a lot of us encountered. Probably the coolest course layout of any 1/2 I've run. It was like 4 different 5K courses strung together. It started on grass and then transitioned to gravel trail, then to darn technical trail with aggressive downhill and switchbacks. Flattened out onto paved bike path for a bit before transitioning to HILLY dirt roads. Next up, more MTB trails with the dreaded mile 8 climb and then back to paved bike path. Finished up on mild trails before hitting the grassy area for the finish. Garmin had the total elevation gain at 495, MapMyRun had it at 503, it felt like a heck of a lot more.
I have had zero training consistency, so I went in thinking if I could keep my HR between 160 and 163, I should be OK. This sure didn't happen, average HR was 169 and I could not keep it below 170 for most of the race. Maxed out at 184, which looking at Garmin history is about as high as I've ever been. The heat messed with my HR greatly. It was almost 70 at the start and was in the mid 80s by the end. My best mile was mile 3 in 8:21, my worst mile 12 in 11:47 and I averaged 9:03 through mile 7 before things fell apart. I finished in 2:10 (9:59s).
During the first mile, I knew I was in for an interesting run. HR was in the mid 170s and I was already drenched and my shirt was heavy. Once I got to flat ground during mile I got more comfortable and was actually cruising along and even chatting it up a bit. This was an incredibly well supported race with 250 volunteers for 1,250 runners and they had 10 aid stations on a 1/2 course. I started taking water at every aid station after mile 3. I also took a couple of Endurolytes at mile 3 as those little electrical cramp impulses were already starting in my thighs. Right at mile 7 I knew there would be an aid station manned by a few BT friends, where I have planned on taking a gel. This began quite a disgusting aid station intake combo. I had a chocolate Hammer Gel and grabbed Gatoraide to wash it down by accident. I knew they had freeze pops and I wanted one bad. I grabbed a yellow one I thought would be lemon, turned out to be Pina Colada. I then grabbed a beer and used it to wash down another Endurolyte, while eating the freeze pop.
Past the aid station the trail lost its shade and I was sick of my soaked shirt so I went to carrying it as it would not stay in my race belt or shorts. Trail Running Urkel now shirtless with a heart rate monitor on had to be a disgusting thing to see. If I didn't like the shirt so much I would have ditched it as the damn thing felt like it weighed 10 pounds by the end of the race. Next up was the mile 8 hill climb that the RD had stated in their pre-race email that most everyone would walk. Not me, I blew past about 20 runners on the hill, crested the hill and looked at my average pace on the Garmin and saw that going sub 2 hours on this tough course just might be possible and the downhill would be were I would start.
Not so much on the downhill, my left hammy locked on about my 5 downhill stride. I had kind of expected some kind of struggle like this, so I didn't panic. I walked it out and stretched slightly (as I've made the mistake before of over stretching when this occurred and locking something else). This allowed me to change my stride to a triathlon-death march type stride. Me, being me, I knew that there was an aid station about 250 yards away where I could get water and pop a few more Endurolytes. Mentally, I told myself this was perfect training for my two long events later this year, in essence knowing that they'd suck towards the end and this is just part of the prep. I didn't cramp again for the rest of the run (4 more miles past the aid station) but I did have to walk on the downhills to avoid the cramps. This was a bit frustrating and I would pass a bunch of runners on the uphills, only to have them pass me on the way down.
I was able to run the last 1.6 miles straight with the hammy tightening here and there. The start/finish was about 50 yards from the lake. I crossed the line, grabbed a bottle of water and walked right down and into the lake for the best ice bath I've ever had. I stood there, up to my chest for about 20 minutes until my shivering made me get a cramp in my rib cage. I came out, took a shower at the bath house on got one of those free post race massages and felt one heck of a lot better than I thought I would.
You wouldn't think so, but this race is now part of my top 5 favorites and I can't wait to do again next year (with lots more training) and add it to my yearly rotation.
ETA, forgot to give props to Sand on the swim
I hope to get to doing a 2 mile OWS swim some day, but a 5K will never happen. Is there any type of split data? I'd guess not as Gamin provides sketchy swim stats other that total distance.
Jux, man I am sorry for all went down. Reading up on everything that occurred, I cannot fault the RD, but it still sucks for all that had to pull the plug on the run. The fact that were are not reading about heat strike, comas or even death really does support that ending when they did was right. I ran the Detroit 1/2 a few years back in which 3 runner died and I saw 2 of the 3 receiving CPR (and this was under almost ideal weather conditions) and this messed with my head for quite a long time. I hope you catch a break find good weather for a race early next month.
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I ran the Back to the Beach 1/2 Marathon on Sunday in the same wicked heat a lot of us encountered. Probably the coolest course layout of any 1/2 I've run. It was like 4 different 5K courses strung together. It started on grass and then transitioned to gravel trail, then to darn technical trail with aggressive downhill and switchbacks. Flattened out onto paved bike path for a bit before transitioning to HILLY dirt roads. Next up, more MTB trails with the dreaded mile 8 climb and then back to paved bike path. Finished up on mild trails before hitting the grassy area for the finish. Garmin had the total elevation gain at 495, MapMyRun had it at 503, it felt like a heck of a lot more.
I have had zero training consistency, so I went in thinking if I could keep my HR between 160 and 163, I should be OK. This sure didn't happen, average HR was 169 and I could not keep it below 170 for most of the race. Maxed out at 184, which looking at Garmin history is about as high as I've ever been. The heat messed with my HR greatly. It was almost 70 at the start and was in the mid 80s by the end. My best mile was mile 3 in 8:21, my worst mile 12 in 11:47 and I averaged 9:03 through mile 7 before things fell apart. I finished in 2:10 (9:59s).
During the first mile, I knew I was in for an interesting run. HR was in the mid 170s and I was already drenched and my shirt was heavy. Once I got to flat ground during mile I got more comfortable and was actually cruising along and even chatting it up a bit. This was an incredibly well supported race with 250 volunteers for 1,250 runners and they had 10 aid stations on a 1/2 course. I started taking water at every aid station after mile 3. I also took a couple of Endurolytes at mile 3 as those little electrical cramp impulses were already starting in my thighs. Right at mile 7 I knew there would be an aid station manned by a few BT friends, where I have planned on taking a gel. This began quite a disgusting aid station intake combo. I had a chocolate Hammer Gel and grabbed Gatoraide to wash it down by accident. I knew they had freeze pops and I wanted one bad. I grabbed a yellow one I thought would be lemon, turned out to be Pina Colada. I then grabbed a beer and used it to wash down another Endurolyte, while eating the freeze pop.
Past the aid station the trail lost its shade and I was sick of my soaked shirt so I went to carrying it as it would not stay in my race belt or shorts. Trail Running Urkel now shirtless with a heart rate monitor on had to be a disgusting thing to see. If I didn't like the shirt so much I would have ditched it as the damn thing felt like it weighed 10 pounds by the end of the race. Next up was the mile 8 hill climb that the RD had stated in their pre-race email that most everyone would walk. Not me, I blew past about 20 runners on the hill, crested the hill and looked at my average pace on the Garmin and saw that going sub 2 hours on this tough course just might be possible and the downhill would be were I would start.
Not so much on the downhill, my left hammy locked on about my 5 downhill stride. I had kind of expected some kind of struggle like this, so I didn't panic. I walked it out and stretched slightly (as I've made the mistake before of over stretching when this occurred and locking something else). This allowed me to change my stride to a triathlon-death march type stride. Me, being me, I knew that there was an aid station about 250 yards away where I could get water and pop a few more Endurolytes. Mentally, I told myself this was perfect training for my two long events later this year, in essence knowing that they'd suck towards the end and this is just part of the prep. I didn't cramp again for the rest of the run (4 more miles past the aid station) but I did have to walk on the downhills to avoid the cramps. This was a bit frustrating and I would pass a bunch of runners on the uphills, only to have them pass me on the way down.
I was able to run the last 1.6 miles straight with the hammy tightening here and there. The start/finish was about 50 yards from the lake. I crossed the line, grabbed a bottle of water and walked right down and into the lake for the best ice bath I've ever had. I stood there, up to my chest for about 20 minutes until my shivering made me get a cramp in my rib cage. I came out, took a shower at the bath house on got one of those free post race massages and felt one heck of a lot better than I thought I would.
You wouldn't think so, but this race is now part of my top 5 favorites and I can't wait to do again next year (with lots more training) and add it to my yearly rotation.
ETA, forgot to give props to Sand on the swim
I hope to get to doing a 2 mile OWS swim some day, but a 5K will never happen. Is there any type of split data? I'd guess not as Gamin provides sketchy swim stats other that total distance.
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pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
6.5 is a great start back at it. I'm with Tri and hope you can stick around here and have a vocal (written) presence.
Running on a treadmill isn't necessarily easier, but it is different. You are running up, vs. out = using different mechanics. With your 5k coming up soon, I'd concentrate on hitting the pavement.
RD is in a no-win situation, though I'm certain I'd rather "lose" by being too conservative, than by making a mistake on the liberal-side. Poor Dood.He told the guy that he was "naive, selfish, and irresponsible" for trying to BQ under those conditions. But like sho nuff said, the other dude ("t1000") was being a total ########. Not sure I could've kept my cool, either.The other thing is that everybody keeps saying that they should've just gotten more medical personnel, more ambulances. So it's OK to have people falling over left and right as long as you've got enough meat wagons to haul them away???? I'm as competitive as anyone, but people are really losing track of what's important here.He was fine til the selfish line.That said...t1000 is coming off terribly in there.Things getting chippy in the RW thread about Green Bay. Someone posted an email dialogue that he had with the RD. I'm thinking the RD (my friend) should've stepped away from his computer for a while before hitting the "send" button on that one. I'm thinking he just got sick of all the criticism and felt the need to blow off some steam; guessing he might regret his choice of words.
His first email was one of the most childish things I have read in a while...and I doubt that guy has any clue what it would take to run an event like that.
And what he and others fail to realize is its not just the runner's at stake.
What happens when the event overwhelms the medical services and someone else has an emergency in the area?
You'll have plenty of wins in the future. Get healthy and kick your next race's ###!
So....if anyone else was planning on running this race, you probably should skip as the weather is now likely to be the suck
___________________________________My Update:
Had a great last 24 hours of workouts. After work I did 75 minutes on the elliptical followed by P90x; then drove to Cross-Fit and did the WOD (bench; shoulder presses; pushups). This morning I woke up and did P90x Arms and Shoulders. I'm sore in such a good way right now.
Kuz
Footballguy
Interesting - thanks. Maybe I haven't been running as fast as I thought - lol..
Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
As promised, did my first 10k this past weekend (the Santa Monica Classic). Was really a lot of fun, although seemed hard - the first 4 miles were steadily uphill, last 2 were down. Most of it was along the ocean, which was great. Ended up in 49:43, or almost exactly 8 min a mile. Happy with the result, as I haven't followed any kind of standard training regimen, was just doing normal Crossfit workouts with an additional 4 mile run once or twice a week leading up. Next time, will actually have a plan.
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Sand
Footballguy
Sounds like an awesome run! I didn't record things with a garmin this year, as it wasn't terribly useful last year. It pretty much told me I was doing even splits last time, so I figure it was about the same this year.The only real difference between this year and last was I was most assuredly wandering around the course more. The waves made figuring out if you were going straight a tough thing.You wouldn't think so, but this race is now part of my top 5 favorites and I can't wait to do again next year (with lots more training) and add it to my yearly rotation.ETA, forgot to give props to Sand on the swim
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
2YBB-Sounds like a tough race. Way to finish it out.
As far as the GB Marathon, everything has been said about it already, but I think the RD had no choice but to close it down. The biggest crapshoot for an event like this is the weather. Something that can't be helped, but can be adjusted for. I think he took the lesser of two evils and possibly saved a life or two. No sweating a few complaints if you do that. There are too many people out there that just refuse to see the bigger picture on things.
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Just got back from 6 hilly miles. It was humd out there and I am pretty beat up from the last couple of weeks still. I am getting back into it though.
Have a great day all.
As far as the GB Marathon, everything has been said about it already, but I think the RD had no choice but to close it down. The biggest crapshoot for an event like this is the weather. Something that can't be helped, but can be adjusted for. I think he took the lesser of two evils and possibly saved a life or two. No sweating a few complaints if you do that. There are too many people out there that just refuse to see the bigger picture on things.
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Just got back from 6 hilly miles. It was humd out there and I am pretty beat up from the last couple of weeks still. I am getting back into it though.
Have a great day all.
jeter23
Footballguy
Thanks for the warm welcome guys! I will definitely chime in, although I feel like any expertise I once had is long gone. Hopefully, it will come back strong.Feeling the 6 1/2 this morning. Legs are sore, but that is fine. The real issue is the pain on my lower ankle/top of foot. I think that is mostly due to my old and unstable trainers. I definitely need some new ones before I log many more miles.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Another possibility many of us have learned with that kind of pain...may be as simple as lacing up too tight.My foot kills me if I lace em up too tight on my right foot.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I look forward to hearing the results! Good luck gruThat sucks.
jeter23
Footballguy
That could be it too, good thought!
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I was expecting to break into 18 minute range(probably high end) prior to injury.Winning time was almost 22 minutes
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Fixed! Also, great read, and awesome that you found a new favorite race GB
I agree that new shoes is always a good start, but it's likely your laces as Sho suggested. I recommend that you get these.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Good to hear you getting back into it. New shoes are key...plus im sure once you start logging miles some of this pain will go away. Your body isn't used to all the mechanics of running...but it will soon
Ned
Footballguy
WTF were you thinking? :X :X Great job soldiering through. I loved the teachable moment mentality in the middle of the race. Kudos.
You're a friggin' animal. My god that sounds like absolute hell.
beer 30
Footballguy
Something that pigskin touched on as well, pounding the pavement. Because for a week or two the pavement is gonna pound you. Need to get your body used to running on concrete/asphalt. Like the others have said, treadmill v roadwork is a lot different. Neither is bad but they are different and you use different muscles with each. You also need to get used to running at a pace instead of a pace being set for you by the treadmill.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Honestly, I was trying to figure out how I could grab a Jell-o shot too, but I was out of hands. I think the heat might have gotten to me by that point...
tri-man 47
Footballguy
You're a friggin' animal. My god that sounds like absolute hell.
x 22Young ...always love your adventures. (Though it's starting to creep into my mind that we're targeting the gnarly 50K trail run in fall, 2013. Thank you for that commitment
).Protocols - glad to hear the Santa Monica race went well!
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Wait a minute. I'm really not a conspiracy theorist. Honest. If I'm being stupid, tell me so. Something really, really seems fishy to me about this Green Bay "black flag" thing.
As I wrote yesterday, I'm thinking about running the Sunburst Marathon in South Bend. When I sent an email to the race director about the possibility of a black flag, she directed me to this video.
It seems like this doctor is saying that this South Bend race and many others will be "black-flagged" and the race cancelled when the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature surpasses 82. It's cut and dry. However, the Green Bay people are saying the decision was based (at least partially) on the medical capacity. I wonder what the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature was in Green Bay when the race was cancelled? 83? It would also explain the remark by the race director that they were hoping for a strong wind since that's a factor in the wet bulb globe temperature. So, thus, my conspiracy theory is the Green Bay Marathon used this system -- maybe is even forced to for liability purposes -- but isn't fessing up.
As I wrote yesterday, I'm thinking about running the Sunburst Marathon in South Bend. When I sent an email to the race director about the possibility of a black flag, she directed me to this video.
It seems like this doctor is saying that this South Bend race and many others will be "black-flagged" and the race cancelled when the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature surpasses 82. It's cut and dry. However, the Green Bay people are saying the decision was based (at least partially) on the medical capacity. I wonder what the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature was in Green Bay when the race was cancelled? 83? It would also explain the remark by the race director that they were hoping for a strong wind since that's a factor in the wet bulb globe temperature. So, thus, my conspiracy theory is the Green Bay Marathon used this system -- maybe is even forced to for liability purposes -- but isn't fessing up.
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prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Welcome and I will take full advantage of your coaching experience
jeter23
Footballguy
Been a while, but glad to share anything I can to help out.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I'm about 1/2 hour away from creating a log-in at runner's world and posting my theory in that thread. Someone please stop me. I noticed the 1/2 marathon in Chicago last year was cancelled at 83 degrees (don't know what the wet bulb globe temperature was). Hmmm...
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
I'm running the Burlington (VT) Marathon on Sunday and they just sent out this email. It sounds ominous to me. 
Tuesday, May 22, 2012
RunVermont issues initial weather statement
Like you, we are paying very close attention to weather forecasts for race weekend. We will continue to monitor the weather over the next several days. Weather monitoring is never limited to simple race day temperature forecasts, but also includes factors such as humidity, radiant heat and wind speed.
Our first and foremost concern is the safety of our participants. We are confident in our supplies of water, electrolyte-replacement drinks and ice and have an information plan in place for altering runners about the weather throughout the duration of the race. If high temps are predicted for race day, sprayers will be available in Oakledge Park, Leddy Park and Fire Station 4 located on North Ave. In addition, we encourage neighborhood residents to run hoses to the street for the use of runners.
Runners can next expect an official statement from RunVermont related to the weather on Friday, May 25.
Tuesday, May 22, 2012
RunVermont issues initial weather statement
Like you, we are paying very close attention to weather forecasts for race weekend. We will continue to monitor the weather over the next several days. Weather monitoring is never limited to simple race day temperature forecasts, but also includes factors such as humidity, radiant heat and wind speed.
Our first and foremost concern is the safety of our participants. We are confident in our supplies of water, electrolyte-replacement drinks and ice and have an information plan in place for altering runners about the weather throughout the duration of the race. If high temps are predicted for race day, sprayers will be available in Oakledge Park, Leddy Park and Fire Station 4 located on North Ave. In addition, we encourage neighborhood residents to run hoses to the street for the use of runners.
Runners can next expect an official statement from RunVermont related to the weather on Friday, May 25.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Yes! Watch the video I posted. If the wet bulb globe temperature reaches 83 it will be cancelled!I'm running the Burlington (VT) Marathon on Sunday and they just sent out this email. It sounds ominous to me.
Tuesday, May 22, 2012
RunVermont issues initial weather statement
Like you, we are paying very close attention to weather forecasts for race weekend. We will continue to monitor the weather over the next several days. Weather monitoring is never limited to simple race day temperature forecasts, but also includes factors such as humidity, radiant heat and wind speed.
Our first and foremost concern is the safety of our participants. We are confident in our supplies of water, electrolyte-replacement drinks and ice and have an information plan in place for altering runners about the weather throughout the duration of the race. If high temps are predicted for race day, sprayers will be available in Oakledge Park, Leddy Park and Fire Station 4 located on North Ave. In addition, we encourage neighborhood residents to run hoses to the street for the use of runners.
Runners can next expect an official statement from RunVermont related to the weather on Friday, May 25.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I really hope you are wrong. If this conspiracy is true that is really ####ed up.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
From that e-mail, it's obvious that Steel Curtain's marathon is using the same system as Sunburst uses. Why can't they come out and say it??? Maybe they just use it as a guideline or something, but I wish I knew about all this a week ago. I would have either bypassed Green Bay or switched to the half.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Found a bit of info in the runners handbook. Page 9 at this link http://issuu.com/runvermont/docs/handbook_2012_lowres?mode=window&backgroundColor=%23222222 It states "In the unlikely event of extreme conditions (a Wet Bulb Globe Temperature, WBGT,of 82 degrees or higher) exist prior to race start at, we will cancel the race no later than 7:45 a.m. and notify runners at the start and through the media." Odd that it doesn't say anything about cancelling the race after we have started. I don't know much about the WBGT, but the high temp is supposed to be 86 but I'm guessing it will be in the 60's at the start.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I don't know much either, but when hourly forecasts are available for race time, look at them. It seems, though, that windy will help, humidity will hurt and if you know where to measure solar radiation predictions, you're a step ahead of me. I get a bad feeling for you though. I'm sorry.
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Sand
Footballguy
I blame Steinbrenner.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
This morning, Sunday's high temp is 82 degrees.
One forecast also said it won't be as humid as they had originally thought. It looks like things might be breaking my way! 
It bites, but that's the best way to handle it. Refund is a sticky situation...I'd refund the difference between the 1/2 and full price.Laugh out loud at them still giving out finisher medals. I'd saw mine in half.
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