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stuff for you. Here is the new Specialized McClaren TT helmet, complete with gill vents and exhaust ports. A mini-F1 on your head!
Yeah, cotton T's are gonna shred your nipples on the long runs my friend.Thanks for the welcomes. I guess I used to kind of be an expert, but like I said, times (not to mention my body) have changed since I gave up serious running in 99-00. For example, I run with a group on some interval (Tuesday) and long runs (Saturdays) and I still wear old ratty, race handout or cut up t-shirts. Everyone I run with wears tanks, tech shirts, etc. One of the guys was complaining the other day about races that give out cotton t-shirts. He says, who the heck wears cotton t-shirts anymore. Then I see a bunch of eyes look at me as I sweat my butt off in a cotton t
ETA: I went out for a couple of hours and you guys let this slip to page 2????? 
Welcome, fast koby!Go run a 5K and get yourself a tech shirt! Use Body Glide as necessary for chafing (or the little nip bandaids). We're all dealing with this hot summer. I do like track work since it at least allows me to walk some and keep the body temp under a bit of control. Post-workout I also love the Muscle Milk lite (chocolate) since the lactose in milk doesn't settle well after a long run. I buy it by the case at Costco. I wear compression socks (vs. the sleeves) most of the time.'koby925 said:Ok I've been lurking in this thread for awhile and decided it was time to throw my hat in the ring. I took 12-13 years off of serious running and got back into it again right around Xmas. I was a middle distance guy back in the day but I'm looking to do some longer stuff soon...maybe even this fall. The running and racing world is much different these days even versus when I last ran seriously, so I am looking for answers to new training methods, supplements, etc. that this group seems to have. But some things about running will never change so I'm hoping I can add some insight when I can.
"New" (i.e age 37 and over) PRs
5k - 17:22 Goal - sub 17
10k - 37:44 Goal - sub 37
Half - NA Goal - sub 1:25
Marathon - Don't know if I will ever do one Goal (if I do) - sub 3:00
- What kind of miles are people putting in? I had to slowly build up so I was in the 30s weekly for much of spring (150-160 per month) but have started to up that recently to high 40s low 50s (195 in July)
- I may forget how brutal summer running was or maybe the increase in mileage has done it, but I have felt awful while runnning the last few weeks...do people take any supplements to battle summer heat/humidity? which leads me to...
- supplements generally - I have heard salt tablets thrown around, greens and reds, good old whey protein, chocolate milk (?), gatorade...what do you guys do to help recovery?
The one thing I can help with that I saw mentioned recently is the compression socks and specifically the CEP brand. I was getting all kinds of calf issues this spring when I started running fast again (especially on intervals) that would make me miss time here and there. Since I have went to wearing the CEP calf sleeves (I wear them about half my runs or so, moreso in the cold weather and always on recovery days), I have not missed time from running. Highly recommended
). We'll all give the train-by-heart rate sermons after you've been around a bit. 
But on the bright side you get your daily dose of heavy metals.
Hey 2Y,
More bike
I'm drooling.
graphs in marketing materials, they sure know their target audience. Let me know when the Chinese reverse engineer these and have the knock offs on eBay. Whadda figure the "extremely limited quantity" will be and what will they cost?
What are these city streets of which you speak?Even just running a city grid (standard half-mile main streets) will come up short if you stay on the inside edge of the boundary streets (SF Duck :finger:
Actually, today's 5+ miler out my front door was on roads for a bit, but only a bit.
My favorite is a smoothie of chia seeds, coconut milk, scoop of whey protein, 1/2 banana, and some blueberries. But I'm a big slow guy, so I wouldn't take too much advice from me!
damn!!!
You are half way to a sprint triathlon distance, keep it upI did 10 laps in the pool- breast stroke. I am not sure how long the pool is? It is at LA Fitness. Do they have a standard length?Also did weights and burned over 700 cals on the elyptical. No running as today was a "rest" day. I have 5 for tomorrow scheduled and 8 on Sat.
Typical LTF Pools are 25 meters.
But on the bright side you get your daily dose of heavy metals.
Worst case, I get cancer 30 years from now. But statistically, I'll be dead by then anyway. :fearless:
I heard 350, but all for Europe, as they are not seeking CPSC certs. Weird. Cost? I'm betting ~$350. Nice synergy there.Hey 2Y,
More bike
I'm drooling.
Finally settling in around 2.5 I was moving pretty well, but I could tell my cardio was well ahead of my legs. I felt like I was running in sand on the few hills on the 3rd LT mile. At any rate, it was a solid tempo in these conditions. I'm pretty geeked.
This, pure and simple.'beer 302 said:
Right. Beer seems to be breaking training PRs weekly! It's entertaining to follow. Hell, I think he's even drinking water on long runs these days!
Cause and effect? 
beer30
at your fingers pruning up. That's some serious humidity.
You guys crack me up, thanks for the lift!Anybody racing this weekend? Seems to have dropped off lately after a flourish there for a while.
Nice! You amaze me at your willingness to do long mileage on a track. I'll never forget the day I read that you had ran 22mi on a track. Unreal.beer -- Nice job, and good luck with the long run this weekend.
Ned --
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16 miles with 12 at MP. I think this actually went fairly well. I did 16/10 a month ago, and that was hellish in large part due to the heat. Today the suck index was only 125, which isn't ideal but certainly nothing to complain about. The only problem is that it was much windier than forecast. I did the first four easy miles around campus, but then decided to do the MP portion on a track -- our campus track is sheltered pretty well depending on the direction of the wind, and I just didn't feel like fighting it for for 12 miles when I'm trying to hit a particular pace. Anyway, I ended up averaging 8:35/mi for the MP component. The last 3-4 miles were such that I could conceive of more pleasant ways to spend my Friday morning, and I don't think I can hold that pace for 26.2, but I did manage a small negative split.
My wife and kids are out of town visiting my FIL this weekend (I had to work today so I couldn't go). That means a couple of days of serious liver endurance training and lots of video games.
Nothing this weekend...have a beer run next weekend though.You guys crack me up, thanks for the lift!Anybody racing this weekend? Seems to have dropped off lately after a flourish there for a while.
Worst I ever did was 6.5 on a track.Though, it was probably only an eighth of a mile track at some middle school.Nice! You amaze me at your willingness to do long mileage on a track. I'll never forget the day I read that you had ran 22mi on a track. Unreal.beer -- Nice job, and good luck with the long run this weekend.
Ned --
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16 miles with 12 at MP. I think this actually went fairly well. I did 16/10 a month ago, and that was hellish in large part due to the heat. Today the suck index was only 125, which isn't ideal but certainly nothing to complain about. The only problem is that it was much windier than forecast. I did the first four easy miles around campus, but then decided to do the MP portion on a track -- our campus track is sheltered pretty well depending on the direction of the wind, and I just didn't feel like fighting it for for 12 miles when I'm trying to hit a particular pace. Anyway, I ended up averaging 8:35/mi for the MP component. The last 3-4 miles were such that I could conceive of more pleasant ways to spend my Friday morning, and I don't think I can hold that pace for 26.2, but I did manage a small negative split.
My wife and kids are out of town visiting my FIL this weekend (I had to work today so I couldn't go). That means a couple of days of serious liver endurance training and lots of video games.
I've done 20 miles on a treadmill, does that count for anything? (Had to reset it twice due to the 60 minute time maximum.)Worst I ever did was 6.5 on a track.Though, it was probably only an eighth of a mile track at some middle school.Nice! You amaze me at your willingness to do long mileage on a track. I'll never forget the day I read that you had ran 22mi on a track. Unreal.beer -- Nice job, and good luck with the long run this weekend.
Ned --
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16 miles with 12 at MP. I think this actually went fairly well. I did 16/10 a month ago, and that was hellish in large part due to the heat. Today the suck index was only 125, which isn't ideal but certainly nothing to complain about. The only problem is that it was much windier than forecast. I did the first four easy miles around campus, but then decided to do the MP portion on a track -- our campus track is sheltered pretty well depending on the direction of the wind, and I just didn't feel like fighting it for for 12 miles when I'm trying to hit a particular pace. Anyway, I ended up averaging 8:35/mi for the MP component. The last 3-4 miles were such that I could conceive of more pleasant ways to spend my Friday morning, and I don't think I can hold that pace for 26.2, but I did manage a small negative split.
My wife and kids are out of town visiting my FIL this weekend (I had to work today so I couldn't go). That means a couple of days of serious liver endurance training and lots of video games.
I would need to reset it more than twice.
Thanks, MAC. Pretty fast yourself. I tried to do a tempo run similar to your night run today and it didn't go well. Hilly 6 mile loop by me with the goal of 2 miles at normal training pace and then 4 of tempo. I must have either gone out way too fast (further proving my need for a Garmin) or the heat and humidity did me in because I only got 17 mins into the tempo before I had to stop. I'm thinking (hoping) I got about 2.5-2.6 miles or so in that time which isn't bad but I would've rather seen about 26:00 and finished the loop. I have only been doing 20 mins of tempo (usually between 3.1-3.3 miles)on a less hilly run, so maybe 4 miles with hills was too ambitious. Hoping to get a 12-13 mile run in this weekend. 12 is my long since my comeback.
You guys are all effin' crazy. You should get your heads checked.I did 14 miles on a treadmill once. Never again. Truthfully, I've all but sworn off treadmills completely. Every single time I run on one, I get injured. If I can't safely run outside (snow/ice storm), I'm to the point now where I'll just skip the workout.I've done 20 miles on a treadmill, does that count for anything? (Had to reset it twice due to the 60 minute time maximum.)Worst I ever did was 6.5 on a track.Though, it was probably only an eighth of a mile track at some middle school.Nice! You amaze me at your willingness to do long mileage on a track. I'll never forget the day I read that you had ran 22mi on a track. Unreal.beer -- Nice job, and good luck with the long run this weekend.
Ned --
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16 miles with 12 at MP. I think this actually went fairly well. I did 16/10 a month ago, and that was hellish in large part due to the heat. Today the suck index was only 125, which isn't ideal but certainly nothing to complain about. The only problem is that it was much windier than forecast. I did the first four easy miles around campus, but then decided to do the MP portion on a track -- our campus track is sheltered pretty well depending on the direction of the wind, and I just didn't feel like fighting it for for 12 miles when I'm trying to hit a particular pace. Anyway, I ended up averaging 8:35/mi for the MP component. The last 3-4 miles were such that I could conceive of more pleasant ways to spend my Friday morning, and I don't think I can hold that pace for 26.2, but I did manage a small negative split.
My wife and kids are out of town visiting my FIL this weekend (I had to work today so I couldn't go). That means a couple of days of serious liver endurance training and lots of video games.
I did 15 on a treadmill once. Once. It sucked so bad, talk about ultimate boredom.
Ditto.
Way worse than anything on a track.I used to be able to handle the TM for up to 7-8 miles.Now...4 is about it. After that I really just can't stand it anymore.
Yeah, I'm staying away from them more and more. However, after wiping out on a sheet of ice one night, I don't like running outside in the dark when it's below freezing.You guys are all effin' crazy. You should get your heads checked.I did 14 miles on a treadmill once. Never again. Truthfully, I've all but sworn off treadmills completely. Every single time I run on one, I get injured. If I can't safely run outside (snow/ice storm), I'm to the point now where I'll just skip the workout.I've done 20 miles on a treadmill, does that count for anything? (Had to reset it twice due to the 60 minute time maximum.)Worst I ever did was 6.5 on a track.Though, it was probably only an eighth of a mile track at some middle school.Nice! You amaze me at your willingness to do long mileage on a track. I'll never forget the day I read that you had ran 22mi on a track. Unreal.beer -- Nice job, and good luck with the long run this weekend.
Ned --
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16 miles with 12 at MP. I think this actually went fairly well. I did 16/10 a month ago, and that was hellish in large part due to the heat. Today the suck index was only 125, which isn't ideal but certainly nothing to complain about. The only problem is that it was much windier than forecast. I did the first four easy miles around campus, but then decided to do the MP portion on a track -- our campus track is sheltered pretty well depending on the direction of the wind, and I just didn't feel like fighting it for for 12 miles when I'm trying to hit a particular pace. Anyway, I ended up averaging 8:35/mi for the MP component. The last 3-4 miles were such that I could conceive of more pleasant ways to spend my Friday morning, and I don't think I can hold that pace for 26.2, but I did manage a small negative split.
My wife and kids are out of town visiting my FIL this weekend (I had to work today so I couldn't go). That means a couple of days of serious liver endurance training and lots of video games.
Steep Ravine 25K Trail Run (could have sworn it was a 30K when I signed up 
). 3,430' of elevation gain on mostly single track, should be fun. Of course I'm not sure what I do can be called "racing".
Opposite here (which is why Im wondering why I signed up for a winter marathon knowing a lot of my training would be in the heat.Winters here are not bad. Gets cold and all, but we just don't get that much snow.Summers are the hardest...just some days that if you can't get out at 5-6am, its nearly unbearable til much later at night. And even then still looking at 80 degrees or so and high humidity.
Appropriately named. You shooting for 4 hours?
As for the dreadmill - I haven't been on one since early 2009. In fact I ran twice on treadmill that winter - once in Boston after trying to run outside on the ice, and once in Greenville, SC, when it was negative something wind chill outside.
Yeah, 4 hours seems like it should be about right. But at such an early stage in my march toward the 50M in April this will definitely be about just finishing, trying to enjoy the experience, and not getting hurt. And according to the elevation profile like it is over 18 miles so it is basically 30K, not sure why it's called a 25K on the website.Appropriately named. You shooting for 4 hours?
As for the dreadmill - I haven't been on one since early 2009. In fact I ran twice on treadmill that winter - once in Boston after trying to run outside on the ice, and once in Greenville, SC, when it was negative something wind chill outside.
Because this summer training will make the winter race that much easier. If you trained for a late spring marathon, you'd be cussing up a storm if you get a hot race after training in the cold all winter.
Yeah...that early March half was great. Training in cooler temps, raced in cooler temps.Now, the next half at the end of April was awful.
It's like altitude training for mortals. For most people in North America, you'll have better results with a fall marathon than a spring marathon simply because of the favorable race conditions relative to training conditions.
Humbling to know that there are folks, some in this thread, that run more than twice that distance in a shorter time period than I did today. My hats off to you guys again, amazing stuff. I'll post more later, gonna catch a few zzz's before my day starts 
That was insane.
Dude congrats!! You're kickin ###.Just finished up my first 12 miler. Wow that's a long ####### way
Just finished up my first 12 miler. Wow that's a long ####### way
Congrats. New distance PR?
