Ran a 10k in June (5 Viewers)

[Juxtatarot]

Congrats on the win, Koby! Nice way to start off the season -- even considering all the difficulties with this race.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I know the race day rocket poo all too well. Low 19s on a terrible day. Congrats on the hardware.

He really did put the swerve on me with that post. I had to do a double take when I saw "first mile at 6:05" after all the excuses.

Koby's a cheetah (but with more endurance). Fastest one around these parts.

 

[koby925]

I know the race day rocket poo all too well. Low 19s on a terrible day. Congrats on the hardware.

He really did put the swerve on me with that post. I had to do a double take when I saw "first mile at 6:05" after all the excuses.

Koby's a cheetah (but with more endurance). Fastest one around these parts.

Thanks. I certainly didn't feel like a cheetah yesterday. Wasn't aiming for anywhere near PR form but I was hoping I'd go sub 19. My old man PR (I'm now 38) was last June in 17:22. Hoping to break that this year.

 

[Hang 10]

I know the race day rocket poo all too well. Low 19s on a terrible day. Congrats on the hardware.

He really did put the swerve on me with that post. I had to do a double take when I saw "first mile at 6:05" after all the excuses.

Koby's a cheetah (but with more endurance). Fastest one around these parts.

Thanks. I certainly didn't feel like a cheetah yesterday. Wasn't aiming for anywhere near PR form but I was hoping I'd go sub 19. My old man PR (I'm now 38) was last June in 17:22. Hoping to break that this year.

Wow. Not too shabby.

 

[gruecd]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!

In Milwaukee today on appointments, but I've got a couple hours free this afternoon, so I'm gonna run indoors at the Pettit National Ice Center. It's a 440M track, so if I want to do 17 miles, it'll be 62-63 laps.

At least it's only 50 degrees in there...

 

[MAC_32]

I know the race day rocket poo all too well. Low 19s on a terrible day. Congrats on the hardware.

He really did put the swerve on me with that post. I had to do a double take when I saw "first mile at 6:05" after all the excuses.

Koby's a cheetah (but with more endurance). Fastest one around these parts.

Thanks. I certainly didn't feel like a cheetah yesterday. Wasn't aiming for anywhere near PR form but I was hoping I'd go sub 19. My old man PR (I'm now 38) was last June in 17:22. Hoping to break that this year.

It's all relative... Take some positives though. Ran like garbage and wasn't all there with focus and still won your ag and ran sub twenty. Not bad for February.

 

[koby925]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!In Milwaukee today on appointments, but I've got a couple hours free this afternoon, so I'm gonna run indoors at the Pettit National Ice Center. It's a 440M track, so if I want to do 17 miles, it'll be 62-63 laps. At least it's only 50 degrees in there...

Awesome pic! What a difference from what I had hear about 60 degrees and sunny

 

[sho nuff]

Another nice week Juxt.I read weekly reports like this and I wonder again how I got through 18/55. Its nowhere near what you are doing...nor what Ned and others have done for training (and I won't even get into the insanity that is grue)...then I remember how I was mentally stressed out near the peak weeks and my wife even noticed I was stressed out.Just felt like I always needed to be running and I didn't do anything but run, clean myself up, then chauffeur the kids to and from school.Makes me again realize its going to take a ton of motivation for me to ever do another marathon again (though, I do get the itch to again try and if I need to get my mind in gear because it would have to be next spring (no way Im doing it next fall)...because as of right now its the only year my 2 kids will be in the same school at the same time which would leave me the right amount of weekly time to train.

Yes, to run 50ish or more weekly miles is a huge commitment that you have to be mentally ready to undertake. It also has to be enough of a priority that it will affect your life in other ways. It's easier for me as I'm not married, have no kids and have a job that I've done for a number of years and really isn't that stressful. I have the time and energy to commit. I honestly don't know how some of you can manage it, particularly those with young kids.

shonuff - don't let whatever happened to you on the first marathon scar you so badly. Hell Oprah beat me on my first one. This game heavily favors the experienced guys.

The bonk is not what is affecting me as much as where I was at during training and the stress on me (and apparently my wife).Im past the second thoughts of what I could have done differently race day and so on and glad I went through it as far as the experience.Race day is the least of my worries as far as deciding if I will do it again...its more the several months of commitment to train.I seriously don't know how some of you all do it with jobs and especially those with families.

 

[Ned]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!In Milwaukee today on appointments, but I've got a couple hours free this afternoon, so I'm gonna run indoors at the Pettit National Ice Center. It's a 440M track, so if I want to do 17 miles, it'll be 62-63 laps. At least it's only 50 degrees in there...

Ooof. No thanks!Where's Ivan when you need him? He's done 20 on a track.

 

[Hang 10]

Another nice week Juxt.I read weekly reports like this and I wonder again how I got through 18/55. Its nowhere near what you are doing...nor what Ned and others have done for training (and I won't even get into the insanity that is grue)...then I remember how I was mentally stressed out near the peak weeks and my wife even noticed I was stressed out.Just felt like I always needed to be running and I didn't do anything but run, clean myself up, then chauffeur the kids to and from school.Makes me again realize its going to take a ton of motivation for me to ever do another marathon again (though, I do get the itch to again try and if I need to get my mind in gear because it would have to be next spring (no way Im doing it next fall)...because as of right now its the only year my 2 kids will be in the same school at the same time which would leave me the right amount of weekly time to train.

Yes, to run 50ish or more weekly miles is a huge commitment that you have to be mentally ready to undertake. It also has to be enough of a priority that it will affect your life in other ways. It's easier for me as I'm not married, have no kids and have a job that I've done for a number of years and really isn't that stressful. I have the time and energy to commit. I honestly don't know how some of you can manage it, particularly those with young kids.

shonuff - don't let whatever happened to you on the first marathon scar you so badly. Hell Oprah beat me on my first one. This game heavily favors the experienced guys.

The bonk is not what is affecting me as much as where I was at during training and the stress on me (and apparently my wife).Im past the second thoughts of what I could have done differently race day and so on and glad I went through it as far as the experience.Race day is the least of my worries as far as deciding if I will do it again...its more the several months of commitment to train.I seriously don't know how some of you all do it with jobs and especially those with families.

Furman first training. You only gotta run three days a week. Piece of cake!

 

[BassNBrew]

Another nice week Juxt.I read weekly reports like this and I wonder again how I got through 18/55. Its nowhere near what you are doing...nor what Ned and others have done for training (and I won't even get into the insanity that is grue)...then I remember how I was mentally stressed out near the peak weeks and my wife even noticed I was stressed out.Just felt like I always needed to be running and I didn't do anything but run, clean myself up, then chauffeur the kids to and from school.Makes me again realize its going to take a ton of motivation for me to ever do another marathon again (though, I do get the itch to again try and if I need to get my mind in gear because it would have to be next spring (no way Im doing it next fall)...because as of right now its the only year my 2 kids will be in the same school at the same time which would leave me the right amount of weekly time to train.

Yes, to run 50ish or more weekly miles is a huge commitment that you have to be mentally ready to undertake. It also has to be enough of a priority that it will affect your life in other ways. It's easier for me as I'm not married, have no kids and have a job that I've done for a number of years and really isn't that stressful. I have the time and energy to commit. I honestly don't know how some of you can manage it, particularly those with young kids.

shonuff - don't let whatever happened to you on the first marathon scar you so badly. Hell Oprah beat me on my first one. This game heavily favors the experienced guys.

The bonk is not what is affecting me as much as where I was at during training and the stress on me (and apparently my wife).Im past the second thoughts of what I could have done differently race day and so on and glad I went through it as far as the experience.Race day is the least of my worries as far as deciding if I will do it again...its more the several months of commitment to train.I seriously don't know how some of you all do it with jobs and especially those with families.

2-3 hour long run on the weekend.1 hour fast run during the week.1/2 hour speed work during the week.Runs two and three done during soccer practice, etc.

 

[BassNBrew]

I ran a clinic on how not to prepare for a race this weekend. First, do no speedwork for months leading up to a race. Second, skip running the day before a race. This may not seem like a big deal but I have always believed you have to at least do a short shake out the legs run the day before a race. Third, come down with a stomach bug that has you on the hopper the whole night before and day of the race. I don't know what the heck got into my system but I was a wreck internally Sat night and Sun morning. So after debating running at all, I decided to go because it was a beautiful day here and we planned to get the kids outside anyway. And they love the races. So we still get lost around the Raleigh area about once a week. Happens with a still developing area that you don't know well. Not good when it happens when you're trying to find a race. Bottom line is I got to the place where the race was at 1:48 for a 2PM race. Had to go get my registration info even though they were shutting things down, go to the bathroom for one more deuce and pin my number on, tie the shoe thingy on, etc. So I get outside and hear 3 minutes to race time. Had to find my wife and give her my "warmup" (that I did not get) clothes, jog around for a minute, do a couple high knees then got in the pack. I started way back in the pack from where I used to but I figured I wouldn't be contending anyway. So onto the race. First mile had some small rolling hills, not too bad but I was weaving in and out and basically warminp up as I raced. First mile in 6:05. Second mile the bigger hills came. No big steep climbs but when you aren't in your prime shape, any hills are killer to try to run fast on - at least for me. I started huffing and puffing on this mile and could feel the lack of a warmup in my tight legs. Went through 2M in 12:18. Last mile I was back and forth with this high school kid for awhile, I really just wanted to be done and there were more hills. I pass the kid with 400-500 meters to go but he comes up on me again at about 100 meters to go. Didn't even have the typical competitive desire and I just let the kid go figuring I wasn't running a fast time anyway and I didn't want to try to sprint the last 100 and get hurt. Final time 19:16. My wife comes up to me after and first thing I say to her is so much for the placing streak. She always comments that no matter how hard on myself I am, I always place in my age group. We run the cooldown with me pushing the kiddos and come back for the refreshments and watching the bigger kids run the 300m race. My almost 3 year old says from the stroller...I want to run too like Daddy I said you can next year, honey. Then I start nudging my wife to leave. She's saying hold on let's see the results blah blah. I said I knew what I ran and I saw some guys around my age ahead of me near the start, there's no way I placed, let's go. She convinces me to stay for the results and I wait with the kids while she goes to look at them. She comes back shaking her head and I'm figuring that means I was 5th or 6th in my age group or something. She says "you won your age group, you ahole." Turns out that a couple guys were 33 and 34 and the 40-44 group was stacked. I think 4 guys in their early 40s beat me. And I think racing actually calmed my insides down. Or I just had no more to give. Things are more "regular" now. So even though I had terrible prep, no warmup and my calves are screaming today, I got a good fast run in - something I hadn't done in months - and I got a $20 gift certificate for a running store to boot for winning the age group.

Amazing.

 

[BassNBrew]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!

In Milwaukee today on appointments, but I've got a couple hours free this afternoon, so I'm gonna run indoors at the Pettit National Ice Center. It's a 440M track, so if I want to do 17 miles, it'll be 62-63 laps.

At least it's only 50 degrees in there...

Now that's a toss up on what's more badass.Glad I live in the south.

 

[BassNBrew]

Week 4 is in the books. Starting to feel a lot better. I can't wait for the trails to thaw out so I can get out there.

Tue (8mi MLR) - Came super easy. Totally wasn't expecting this. HR was much better. 9:19/143

Wed (10mi MLR) - Stressed out between work and some bad news. Just Gumped it and tried to go into autopilot. 9:25/145

Thu (5mi recovery) - Surprisingly sore. 9:59/137

Fri (9mi GA) - Junk run. I felt amazing and got carried away. Should've slowed way down, but it was too much fun. Felt like I could go forever, even in the Nor'easter. 8:33/158

Sat (5mi recovery) - Very windy from the Nor'easter leftovers. 10:03/136

Sun (17mi Long) - About as uneventful as 17 could go, aside from the wind. Ran new hilly route that I did 2 weeks ago. Much easier than last time. 9:27/149

54mi total

You're making me feel bad. When is your next event?

 

[Ned]

Week 4 is in the books. Starting to feel a lot better. I can't wait for the trails to thaw out so I can get out there.

Tue (8mi MLR) - Came super easy. Totally wasn't expecting this. HR was much better. 9:19/143

Wed (10mi MLR) - Stressed out between work and some bad news. Just Gumped it and tried to go into autopilot. 9:25/145

Thu (5mi recovery) - Surprisingly sore. 9:59/137

Fri (9mi GA) - Junk run. I felt amazing and got carried away. Should've slowed way down, but it was too much fun. Felt like I could go forever, even in the Nor'easter. 8:33/158

Sat (5mi recovery) - Very windy from the Nor'easter leftovers. 10:03/136

Sun (17mi Long) - About as uneventful as 17 could go, aside from the wind. Ran new hilly route that I did 2 weeks ago. Much easier than last time. 9:27/149

54mi total

You're making me feel bad. When is your next event?

Yeah right.Doing that same trail triple crown I did last year - 4/27. I think I can actually compete with these guys, so pushing a little harder/sooner.

 

[BassNBrew]

Week 4 is in the books. Starting to feel a lot better. I can't wait for the trails to thaw out so I can get out there.

Tue (8mi MLR) - Came super easy. Totally wasn't expecting this. HR was much better. 9:19/143

Wed (10mi MLR) - Stressed out between work and some bad news. Just Gumped it and tried to go into autopilot. 9:25/145

Thu (5mi recovery) - Surprisingly sore. 9:59/137

Fri (9mi GA) - Junk run. I felt amazing and got carried away. Should've slowed way down, but it was too much fun. Felt like I could go forever, even in the Nor'easter. 8:33/158

Sat (5mi recovery) - Very windy from the Nor'easter leftovers. 10:03/136

Sun (17mi Long) - About as uneventful as 17 could go, aside from the wind. Ran new hilly route that I did 2 weeks ago. Much easier than last time. 9:27/149

54mi total

You're making me feel bad. When is your next event?

Yeah right.Doing that same trail triple crown I did last year - 4/27. I think I can actually compete with these guys, so pushing a little harder/sooner.

Maybe I should go for a run today...

 

[Sand]

Huh - so who knew the key to running sub 20 was making sure to have the ####s all night?

 

[sho nuff]

Another nice week Juxt.I read weekly reports like this and I wonder again how I got through 18/55. Its nowhere near what you are doing...nor what Ned and others have done for training (and I won't even get into the insanity that is grue)...then I remember how I was mentally stressed out near the peak weeks and my wife even noticed I was stressed out.Just felt like I always needed to be running and I didn't do anything but run, clean myself up, then chauffeur the kids to and from school.Makes me again realize its going to take a ton of motivation for me to ever do another marathon again (though, I do get the itch to again try and if I need to get my mind in gear because it would have to be next spring (no way Im doing it next fall)...because as of right now its the only year my 2 kids will be in the same school at the same time which would leave me the right amount of weekly time to train.

Yes, to run 50ish or more weekly miles is a huge commitment that you have to be mentally ready to undertake. It also has to be enough of a priority that it will affect your life in other ways. It's easier for me as I'm not married, have no kids and have a job that I've done for a number of years and really isn't that stressful. I have the time and energy to commit. I honestly don't know how some of you can manage it, particularly those with young kids.

shonuff - don't let whatever happened to you on the first marathon scar you so badly. Hell Oprah beat me on my first one. This game heavily favors the experienced guys.

The bonk is not what is affecting me as much as where I was at during training and the stress on me (and apparently my wife).Im past the second thoughts of what I could have done differently race day and so on and glad I went through it as far as the experience.Race day is the least of my worries as far as deciding if I will do it again...its more the several months of commitment to train.I seriously don't know how some of you all do it with jobs and especially those with families.

2-3 hour long run on the weekend.1 hour fast run during the week.1/2 hour speed work during the week.Runs two and three done during soccer practice, etc.

Hard to run during soccer practice now...since Im coaching.Though, by next year, doubt I will be coaching him. I can handle U8...not sure Id be much help to many of the U10 kids.May coach my daughter if she starts in the fall though.Its not as much the days though...its that Friday or Saturday long run.Much will also depend on our decisions on if we are staying in this house or moving in the next year (son has another year in elementary school and the middle school we are zone for sucks bad)

 

[tri-man 47]

Huh - so who knew the key to running sub 20 was making sure to have the ####s all night?

koby - Nice. Speed. Cheetah, indeed!

gruecd - love the pic!!!

--

I added a late 6 miles yesterday on tired legs after 12 and 10 the days before. 2 miles up/down, and 4 miles hard at 7:29/mile. Managed to hit a street puddle a mile into it that was actually a deep pothole ...at least I didn't hit the edge and twist/break an ankle.

 

[mr. furley]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!

nice beard must have caught only the 15k runners on the course.. and the 5k'ers at the finish lineme on the left in white

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Koby -- Sorry about the "poor" race, but that's still an awesome time by most folks' standards. And congrats on the AG win.

gruecd -- That's one of the better race pics I've seen in a while. Way to mug for the camera!

 

[BassNBrew]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!

nice beard must have caught only the 15k runners on the course.. and the 5k'ers at the finish lineme on the left in white

The shorts over tights look has to go.

 

[mr. furley]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!

nice beard must have caught only the 15k runners on the course.. and the 5k'ers at the finish lineme on the left in white

The shorts over tights look has to go.

function over fashion, my man. i get a cold dck without them. also, i think it was about 10 when we took off. i've run in -25. as many layers as possible in those conditions. you'd be crazy to go out in just tights with a stiff wind and -7 for the real temp.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!

nice beard must have caught only the 15k runners on the course.. and the 5k'ers at the finish line

me on the left in white

Koby -- Sorry about the "poor" race, but that's still an awesome time by most folks' standards. And congrats on the AG win.

gruecd -- That's one of the better race pics I've seen in a while. Way to mug for the camera!

Everytime I see pics like these I can't help but think "JUST MOVE TO WHERE IT'S WARM!" More power to you cold weather guys.And Koby, nice strategy of using a virus to nail your "race weight".

I was back out for 9 miles today, flat stuff after dropping the girl off at school. Ankle still a little off, but overall felt ok.

I'm with a lot of you on the balance/sacrifice of trying to fit this stuff in. I'm looking at 3-4+ hour trail runs on the weekends, and with 50% custody I only have my daughter every other weekend - and I feel a little guilty damn near every time I head out when she's around, even if I try and get it done early. She'll be around for my 50 miler in April, I hope she picks up a little understanding of why I do this, although more likely it'll just confirm for her that I'm a little

 

[BassNBrew]

function over fashion, my man. i get a cold dck without them. also, i think it was about 10 when we took off. i've run in -25. as many layers as possible in those conditions. you'd be crazy to go out in just tights with a stiff wind and -7 for the real temp.

Those flimsy shorts aren't doing nothing for the boys. Any cold air not going thru them is going up the legs. They have tights beefy enough to snowmobile in that are pretty comfy for running. They also have windproof undies.

 

[MAC_32]

Pic from the cooooooold 15K on Saturday (which my body wanted no part of, but more on that later): Brrrrrrr!

nice beard must have caught only the 15k runners on the course.. and the 5k'ers at the finish lineme on the left in white

The shorts over tights look has to go.

It is not a look for me. Body stays warm, get a better leg drive with shorts instead of pants.

 

[MAC_32]

function over fashion, my man. i get a cold dck without them. also, i think it was about 10 when we took off. i've run in -25. as many layers as possible in those conditions. you'd be crazy to go out in just tights with a stiff wind and -7 for the real temp.

Those flimsy shorts aren't doing nothing for the boys. Any cold air not going thru them is going up the legs. They have tights beefy enough to snowmobile in that are pretty comfy for running. They also have windproof undies.

We could wear the tights and no shorts. But we are thoughtful of others

 

[SFBayDuck]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

 

[Ned]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

One key thing to remember - she had the base endurance mileage (and then some!). I think she's benefiting from the speed work now because she IS an endurance monster.I know her context is ultras, but I think that race speed quote applies to every distance...

I vividly remember learning this at a 10 miler 2 years ago. It was an out/back course and I saw the leaders coming back just after the turn around at the 10K mark. I noticed each of them were working hard all the while I was trying to maintain that comfortably uncomfortable state. It clicked right there. If those dudes are busting their ###, I should be too. Will never forget that moment.

 

[gruecd]

63 laps around the Pettit yesterday. 17.2 miles at around 8:00 pace. At least there were a bunch of female figure skaters practicing (in tights) the whole time I was out there. Holy great asses, Batman!

 

[Hang 10]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

One key thing to remember - she had the base endurance mileage (and then some!). I think she's benefiting from the speed work now because she IS an endurance monster.I know her context is ultras, but I think that race speed quote applies to every distance...

I vividly remember learning this at a 10 miler 2 years ago. It was an out/back course and I saw the leaders coming back just after the turn around at the 10K mark. I noticed each of them were working hard all the while I was trying to maintain that comfortably uncomfortable state. It clicked right there. If those dudes are busting their ###, I should be too. Will never forget that moment.

I liked the part in Dean's first book about what his CC coach told him after asking how his race felt.

Dean: It felt pretty good

Coach: If it felt good you didn't push hard enough, it's supposed to hurt like hell.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

Have you considered signing up for a normal 5K or something this spring? Just for the experience of it?

 

[SFBayDuck]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

One key thing to remember - she had the base endurance mileage (and then some!). I think she's benefiting from the speed work now because she IS an endurance monster.I know her context is ultras, but I think that race speed quote applies to every distance...

I vividly remember learning this at a 10 miler 2 years ago. It was an out/back course and I saw the leaders coming back just after the turn around at the 10K mark. I noticed each of them were working hard all the while I was trying to maintain that comfortably uncomfortable state. It clicked right there. If those dudes are busting their ###, I should be too. Will never forget that moment.

I was thinking the exact same thing with the bolded part above - the more developed your aerobic base (and all of the other physical changes that come with that) the more you'll benefit from harder work.Now I need to forget this whole article for the next 2 months, since my 50K and 50M are not going to be raced - it's all about the experience and finishing.

 

[Ned]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

One key thing to remember - she had the base endurance mileage (and then some!). I think she's benefiting from the speed work now because she IS an endurance monster.I know her context is ultras, but I think that race speed quote applies to every distance...

I vividly remember learning this at a 10 miler 2 years ago. It was an out/back course and I saw the leaders coming back just after the turn around at the 10K mark. I noticed each of them were working hard all the while I was trying to maintain that comfortably uncomfortable state. It clicked right there. If those dudes are busting their ###, I should be too. Will never forget that moment.

I liked the part in Dean's first book about what his CC coach told him after asking how his race felt.

Dean: It felt pretty good

Coach: If it felt good you didn't push hard enough, it's supposed to hurt like hell.

My sister has yet to grasp this. She woops my wife when they run together on a training run, but come race time she can't beat my wife. When we run 5Ks together, I'll do a cooldown and run the course backwards and finish with them. The last race they did my wife was ahead of my sister again, so I figured I better go back for her. I get to my sister at 2.8ish and she goes "I can't believe she's ####ing beating me!". I told her "if you can say that to me at this stage of the race, you're not running hard enough". She just and kept cruising on in. Don't be upset about losing if you're not going to push it.

 

[Hang 10]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

One key thing to remember - she had the base endurance mileage (and then some!). I think she's benefiting from the speed work now because she IS an endurance monster.I know her context is ultras, but I think that race speed quote applies to every distance...

I vividly remember learning this at a 10 miler 2 years ago. It was an out/back course and I saw the leaders coming back just after the turn around at the 10K mark. I noticed each of them were working hard all the while I was trying to maintain that comfortably uncomfortable state. It clicked right there. If those dudes are busting their ###, I should be too. Will never forget that moment.

I liked the part in Dean's first book about what his CC coach told him after asking how his race felt.

Dean: It felt pretty good

Coach: If it felt good you didn't push hard enough, it's supposed to hurt like hell.

My sister has yet to grasp this. She woops my wife when they run together on a training run, but come race time she can't beat my wife. When we run 5Ks together, I'll do a cooldown and run the course backwards and finish with them. The last race they did my wife was ahead of my sister again, so I figured I better go back for her. I get to my sister at 2.8ish and she goes "I can't believe she's ####ing beating me!". I told her "if you can say that to me at this stage of the race, you're not running hard enough". She just and kept cruising on in. Don't be upset about losing if you're not going to push it.

At 2.8 you should be doing your best to hold the puke in for another .3.

 

[pigskinliquors]

63 laps around the Pettit yesterday. 17.2 miles at around 8:00 pace. At least there were a bunch of female figure skaters practicing (in tights) the whole time I was out there. Holy great asses, Batman!

Total insanity. Any pictures?? Hard to imagine wanting to run 63 laps with this in view.

At 2.8 at you should be doing your best to hold the puke in for another .3.

Damn I miss racing. Good times.

 

[BassNBrew]

63 laps around the Pettit yesterday. 17.2 miles at around 8:00 pace. At least there were a bunch of female figure skaters practicing (in tights) the whole time I was out there. Holy great asses, Batman!

Why 63 as opposed to some other number?Congrats on that mental accomplishment.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Great article on iRunFar by Devon Yanko (who I saw running this morning). Not applicable to most of you as you are already doing speedwork, but a good thing for me to file away as I (hopefully) continue on my ultrarunning hobby.

I really liked "comfortable is not a race speed". Of course I've never actually "raced", but maybe someday......

Have you considered signing up for a normal 5K or something this spring? Just for the experience of it?

After my upcoming ultras (and the associated recovery), yes I would like to do this. Much like she describes, I don't really have an appropriate range of paces for the various distances, ie my 5K pace and half marathon pace probably aren't very different. I'd like to mix things up and leverage what should be the best aerobic base I've ever had and see if I can push myself a little. That's one of the negatives of Maffetone, eventually your Maff pace approaches your LT pace and you plateau. I'm not quite there yet, but obviously at some point to get faster even at aerobic effort you have to increase your LT.

 

[koby925]

At 2.8 at you should be doing your best to hold the puke in for another .3.

Or holding it in on the other end This does hit the nail on the head on differences in how some perform, though. Of course there will be different natural abilities. And fitness level may keep you from performing better. But assuming similar physical abilities and fitness, there's that inner toughness that accounts for so much also. Some can channel it and some just can't, or rather, won't. The toughest SOB I ever ran with was a guy in college who physical ability wise had no business running D1. But he'd run to complete exhaustion, even to the point where he blacked out in a few races. Now, I don't advocate that extreme, but you should be closer to that then the woman who was talking and yelling near the end of a race.

 

[gruecd]

Why 63 as opposed to some other number?Congrats on that mental accomplishment.

I wanted 17 miles, and it's a 440M track.And I'm not wearing tights without shorts. Gross.

 

[BassNBrew]

Why 63 as opposed to some other number?Congrats on that mental accomplishment.

I wanted 17 miles, and it's a 440M track.And I'm not wearing tights without shorts. Gross.

ahh...had to get back to the start of the lap. How did you keep track of the laps?I guess anyone who's done tris or bikes has moved beyond the shorts over tights thing. Factually speaking, a guy running w/o a shirt is grosser than a dude not wearing shorts over his tights.

 

[Hang 10]

So, yeah, I got to the gym and realized I forgot my running shoes... Well, being as I'm right down here at the beach and it's 60 degrees, I figured I might give barefoot running a shot. Ran six miles on the beach and it was sorta a mixed experience. First, it was awesome weather...light breeze, warm and beautiful. Averaged about a 7:35 pace. But...yeah, the blisters I didn't realize I was getting pretty much suck. Really enjoyed popping these bloody badboys.

 

[koby925]

So, yeah, I got to the gym and realized I forgot my running shoes... Well, being as I'm right down here at the beach and it's 60 degrees, I figured I might give barefoot running a shot. Ran six miles on the beach and it was sorta a mixed experience. First, it was awesome weather...light breeze, warm and beautiful. Averaged about a 7:35 pace. But...yeah, the blisters I didn't realize I was getting pretty much suck. Really enjoyed popping these bloody badboys.

Nice run. My notebook is out of date. How is that pace for you? Typical distance pace or fast?

 

[Hang 10]

So, yeah, I got to the gym and realized I forgot my running shoes... Well, being as I'm right down here at the beach and it's 60 degrees, I figured I might give barefoot running a shot. Ran six miles on the beach and it was sorta a mixed experience. First, it was awesome weather...light breeze, warm and beautiful. Averaged about a 7:35 pace. But...yeah, the blisters I didn't realize I was getting pretty much suck. Really enjoyed popping these bloody badboys.

Nice run. My notebook is out of date. How is that pace for you? Typical distance pace or fast?

I normally do tempo work at that distance around 7:00 pace, give or take.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Went to the doctor today, and it turns out that I don't have a heria after all. It's actually epididymitis (basically a male UTI with an infection in one ball). I can start running again immediately since there's nothing structurally wrong, and antibiotics should fix things up. The main problem here is that most cases of this are from STDs; I probably should have worn a condom when I visited that brothel in Honduras, but that's really monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Good news, Ivan! (Right?)

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Good news, Ivan! (Right?)

Well, I was looking at either a hernia (surgery) or pulled muscle (which can get reinjured) so this is a much better diagnosis than what I had expected going in. Actually I do also have a "tiny" hernia but my doctor said it's not even close to needing treatment and has nothing to do with this particular episode. Just full disclosure because I know you all want to know.

 

[gruecd]

ahh...had to get back to the start of the lap. How did you keep track of the laps?

Wore my Garmin, turned off the GPS, and just kept hitting the "lap" button.

 

[SFBayDuck]

At 2.8 at you should be doing your best to hold the puke in for another .3.

Or holding it in on the other end This does hit the nail on the head on differences in how some perform, though. Of course there will be different natural abilities. And fitness level may keep you from performing better. But assuming similar physical abilities and fitness, there's that inner toughness that accounts for so much also. Some can channel it and some just can't, or rather, won't. The toughest SOB I ever ran with was a guy in college who physical ability wise had no business running D1. But he'd run to complete exhaustion, even to the point where he blacked out in a few races. Now, I don't advocate that extreme, but you should be closer to that then the woman who was talking and yelling near the end of a race.

"A lot of people run a race to see who is fastest. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more." - Pre

Went to the doctor today, and it turns out that I don't have a heria after all. It's actually epididymitis (basically a male UTI with an infection in one ball). I can start running again immediately since there's nothing structurally wrong, and antibiotics should fix things up. The main problem here is that most cases of this are from STDs; I probably should have worn a condom when I visited that brothel in Honduras, but that's really monday morning quarterbacking.

Reminds me of the old SNL commercial: "Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, 'when am I going to make it back to Haiti?'"

 

[Ned]

Went to the doctor today, and it turns out that I don't have a heria after all. It's actually epididymitis (basically a male UTI with an infection in one ball). I can start running again immediately since there's nothing structurally wrong, and antibiotics should fix things up. The main problem here is that most cases of this are from STDs; I probably should have worn a condom when I visited that brothel in Honduras, but that's really monday morning quarterbacking.

Future Friday thread? Glad you can get back in the game.