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Ran a 10k in June (2 Viewers)

Wow, Duck! Great reading. I am continually amazed at the racing the guys in this thread accomplish. I am not even really participating in the same activity as you guys.

Speaking of which, Steve C702 and I got together for dinner before tomorrow's race. Steve is as nice as he is fast. He is running the half and I am running the marathon and his flight out of Houston is set for 10:30 am, at which time I will still be out on the course, probably just beginning to cramp! I enjoyed talking running with him. He thinks we should get a fantasy league together next year with the regular guys in the thread. It sounds like fun and might force us to actually discuss football. We also agreed that we need to have a race where everyone in here tries to attend.

I will try to report tomorrow after the race, unless I'm in the morgue or the hospital. Steve is a lot more confident in my prospects for tomorrow than I am.

 
Nice SFD!

Not nearly as cool, but I did get in a mile swim today. Nice hard 200 mixed in there at 2:25 - solid ~26 SWOLF scored the whole way through. Thought you'd appreciate that, 2Y. ;-)

 
Steep Ravine 25K Report

I managed to keep it under 12:00 miles carefully working down all those steps on the way down, and crossed the finish line in 3:15:47 - ten minutes faster than when I did this race back in the summer of 2012. All in all, a pretty damned fine day out on the trails of Mt. Tam.
Nice job Duck, as always a great write up making me hate you just that much more ;) Are these the trails you typically train on? Awesome run considering your taper week was spent in the bars of Atlanta.Had a pretty solid week of training. Legs are starting to come around again. The training for this 50k calls for a day off in the middle of the week and I'm liking it. Train pretty hard M-T, W off, hit it hard again Th-F-S, S off. Today was LR day with it preview run day for the race. Had a decent turn out for a cold morning, 23. The idea was to go two laps to get in 20 with the first one run at what I hope to be race pace (under 2 hrs) and the second just putting in miles. Ended up 2:01 for the first but stopped along the way to help some of the new folks who were lost so pretty sure I would have hit my goal (also lost a shoe to the muck monster that slowed me up, nothing like a wet, med covered sock with 3 miles left). Switched out to some dry clothes, refilled the water bottle, scarfed a banana and headed back out. Took too long and was tight for a while but loosened up soon enough. Got about 6 miles in at a pretty slow pace but still under 12:00/mile so I was happy with it. Unfortunately that was the most technical, hilly portion of the course and my damn calf started to cramp. I'd run 100 yards or so, cramp. Run some, cramp. I ran through it before but not today so the last 4 miles turned into a hike and I froze my ### off. Pretty sure I know why I cramped up (dehydrated, not enough salt intake) but man am I woefully undertrained for this thing. Finished 2nd lap in 2:35. A third lap today would not have been possible, oof.

 
Nice SFD!

Not nearly as cool, but I did get in a mile swim today. Nice hard 200 mixed in there at 2:25 - solid ~26 SWOLF scored the whole way through. Thought you'd appreciate that, 2Y. ;-)
I had one of my better rounds of SWOLF this week as well. I was down in Dallas for work this past week and swam at an LA Fitness. The women in yoga pants in place were incredible. Like most, there is a giant window looking into the pool so I felt like I had to bust ###. Did 2,000 supposed meters with a SWOLF just above 38 (although, it may have been yards and not meters as Misty, the girl at the counter, was cute, but rather clueless, except for letting me know the "salty water" of the pool would be good for my skin).

Duck, thanks for the pics (and nice work on the run). That ladder shot needs to be posted on the Trail Pr0n FB page.

 
FUBAR - nice LR and good pace.

Duck - I always love your race reports and pics. It's gorgeous out there. And nice job cutting 10 mins off

Jux - thanks for posting Tempo workouts

2Young - agree with a lot of what Steve said. Your boy doesn't have to be in tapered condition for the 3/21 invitational so there's plenty of time to work on the base and gradually build in speed. Agree with Steve that at that age, kids get in shape really quickly. I remember teammates missing all winter and early spring with injuries but by mid-late spring they were running PRs. That would never work with us old farts.

Worrier/Steve - Good luck at the race tomorrow! Cool that you got to meet up and brainstorm some idea.

I did my first double digit run in awhile today. Just went out with no HRM or watch at all and just ran how I felt. I was back at my car exactly 75 minutes after starting so I guess I started in the high 7s and worked down to the low 7s for parts of the middle and end for 7:30 average. Felt a bit long towards the end but overall it was kind of refreshing to just look around and not worry about pace.

 
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Jesus that sounds and looks awesome. Tell me you 'ran' up that ladder...
Unfortunately no - it was still a conga line at that point, so no running up the ladder!

The down hill sounds horrible, but the pics you posted would make it worthwhile.
The first downhill with switchbacks into Muir Beach wasn't too bad (other than taking a header), but the last 1-2 miles with all of the stairs did suck a little.

Steep Ravine 25K Report

I managed to keep it under 12:00 miles carefully working down all those steps on the way down, and crossed the finish line in 3:15:47 - ten minutes faster than when I did this race back in the summer of 2012. All in all, a pretty damned fine day out on the trails of Mt. Tam.
Nice job Duck, as always a great write up making me hate you just that much more ;) Are these the trails you typically train on? Awesome run considering your taper week was spent in the bars of Atlanta.
Thanks, I hate you too ;) I've run on different segments of the route we took today, but not regularly. I live on the NE side of Mt. Tam, and these are all over on the SW side.

Duck, thanks for the pics (and nice work on the run). That ladder shot needs to be posted on the Trail Pr0n FB page.
Good idea, I may have to do that!

And thanks all, I'm glad you can appreciate what I do as much as I appreciate what all of you bad ### speedsters and everyone else in here getting out the door and doing their thing is doing. I actually had that conversation after the race today with a guy who talked about my "mental fortitude" to finish ultras and who said he prefers shorter stuff all the way down to 5Ks - and I replied that I didn't think I had the mental fortitude to run a hard 5K!

 
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Chief - as gets posted here regularly, the idea is to run 90% of your runs slower, and 10% faster. Avoid that middle ground, since it doesn't really do anything specific. Target one or two runs per week for intense effort - intervals at the track, hill work, hard tempo, etc. Use the other runs for recovery, base building, and HR training (building aerobic capacity).
90% of his runs slower but 1 to 2 faster runs a week? Wouldn't that mean he'd have to average 15 runs a week? You mean 90% of miles, right?
As FBGs, don't we all do 2-a-days all the time? But no, you're right - most of our mileage should be slower .. in keeping with discussions over the last couple of pages here. I'll quit babbling now.

 
I know the general rule is don't increase mileage by more than ten percent per week. However, I was consistently in the mid twenties before pulling my calf in December. I did 17 three weeks ago, then 20, and 21 last week. I'm at 18 right now, would a 7-9 mile run be too much? Seems like too big of a meekly jump even though I have not done my long run yet this week.

 
PS: I love the idea of having a fantasy league for the thread. Dibs on "Looking for Boston Market" for my team name.

And it would be great if we could all hook up for a race. Bourbon Chase was a blast.

 
PS: I love the idea of having a fantasy league for the thread. Dibs on "Looking for Boston Market" for my team name.

And it would be great if we could all hook up for a race. Bourbon Chase was a blast.
Almost suggested this before this season, but forgot. Rushing yardage would have to get a big bump IMO

I was thinking the "Clydesdales" for your team name :P

 
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It's like my honeymoon again, I skipped over 69.
Awesome! Hope you got some good money and pub for being first American. My old teammate at ND was in the race also - Jeff Matsumoto. Wonder if you met him by chance. Poor guy runs 1:14 and that isn't good for top 3 Masters.

 
Annyong - that 5/10 HM is a possibility, but I won't know for sure until early spring. I'll be in eastern Michigan the weekend after for a trail HM with 2Young and some other great guys.

FUBAR and 2Young - I've always agreed with the logic of 'race your way into shape.' So FUBAR, I get the idea of you using marathons as training for your events later in the year. Those races effectively become breakthrough workouts, and we should be doing a couple of those per week anyway. 2Young, so that's the same argument for Ry ...use some early races as part of the training. Something else he could do, given the bad winter conditions, is to do the 'ups' workout (high knee lifts) ...both the standing lift and the skipping step. I've got some old 2-lb ankle weights I've been using for those workouts. I've done some mornings with 300 reps (L+R=1 rep), and with those weights, I feel it. A variation I have added, based on a Runners World link someone posted, is to also rotate the knee out and around to the front, which opens up the hip. Heck, let him go really old school and do some jump rope on the back porch.

Chief - as gets posted here regularly, the idea is to run 90% of your runs slower, and 10% faster. Avoid that middle ground, since it doesn't really do anything specific. Target one or two runs per week for intense effort - intervals at the track, hill work, hard tempo, etc. Use the other runs for recovery, base building, and HR training (building aerobic capacity).

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12 miles for me this a.m. on a chilly 15 degree day. Prince Myskin and all - Monday's the day! My final defense of the doctoral dissertation.
Awesome, thanks. And thanks to everyone for their help. Much appreciated.
Want to highlight that section for emphasis. The moment this clicked for me was the moment my post-college running performances started to take off. It sounds unfair and counter-intuitive at first, but you really don't get what you point into it. Running harder won't necessarily make you faster in the long run if you don't balance your training correctly. If you go hard all the time your body won't be able to recover and it'll just lead to breakdown/injury. The key is to run hard at the right intensities every 3-4 days and make sure you recover sufficiently from them.

Also, Tri, that sounds like a terribly fun run today. Good luck on Monday!
I have never run with a heart monitor before, so I ordered one online yesterday. So it should be here in a couple of days. It'll be interesting to see where I am once I start using it.

Went out today on a gorgeous morning here in KC (about 35, sunny, and warming) and ran a smooth 6.25. Purposely ran really slow (a 10:04 pace), and just concentrated on going slow. It was tough, because everything in me wanted to really push it. But I gotta say, one of the most enjoyable runs I've had in awhile. Took the time mentally to look around, check out scenery, really look at the world again. Very nice.

 
Thanks, Steve and congratulations!! Outstanding!!!

Thanks for stealing the thunder from my massive PR!

4:02:40, beating my previous best by over ten minutes.

Full report later after the tumult about Steve's performance abates a bit.

 
Thanks, Steve and congratulations!! Outstanding!!!

Thanks for stealing the thunder from my massive PR!

4:02:40, beating my previous best by over ten minutes.

Full report later after the tumult about Steve's performance abates a bit.
Congratulations! I'm looking forward to your race report -- love these.

 
Thanks, Steve and congratulations!! Outstanding!!!

Thanks for stealing the thunder from my massive PR!

4:02:40, beating my previous best by over ten minutes.

Full report later after the tumult about Steve's performance abates a bit.
Woo-hoo!! (But I'm not surprised.) Congrats on the new PR!

 
Just checked in on Houston...Steve finished 4th overall in 1:08:12 and top American :o

Huge PR. Congrats Steve!!
Holy chit man!
Thanks, Steve and congratulations!! Outstanding!!!

Thanks for stealing the thunder from my massive PR!

4:02:40, beating my previous best by over ten minutes.

Full report later after the tumult about Steve's performance abates a bit.
Holy PR Batman! POW!!! A 2fer at the same race. Congratulations guys, great times! Can't wait to read the reports
 
It's like my honeymoon again, I skipped over 69.
So did you let Meb go right away or hang for a while?
I didn't even have a chance. They started the USA half marathon championships (men and women) 5 minutes ahead of everyone else. As a result, I did have a fairly enjoyable view for the last half of the race as I made my way through the women's field, it was a fashion show parade of various brands of bunhuggers modeled by some pretty fit looking gals if you will.

 
Steve - that's epic.

I got in 10.5 today at a 8:12 pace. Every mile was between 8:05 and 8:17. Exactly four weeks to my half and I'm feeling pretty good.

 
SteveC702 said:
It's like my honeymoon again, I skipped over 69.
So did you let Meb go right away or hang for a while?
I didn't even have a chance. They started the USA half marathon championships (men and women) 5 minutes ahead of everyone else. As a result, I did have a fairly enjoyable view for the last half of the race as I made my way through the women's field, it was a fashion show parade of various brands of bunhuggers modeled by some pretty fit looking gals if you will.
Oh, that sounds like a win!

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On my end, a nice 8 mile trail run. I felt like SFD there for a bit climbing our hill at 15%. Of course I climbed for 1/4 mile instead of 2, but let's not sweat the details...

 
Aramco Houston Half Marathon Trip/Race Report

I flew out on Saturday night and got to the hotel around 10:30 and pretty much went straight to bed.

On Saturday morning I decided to mix in my pre-race shakeout run with picking up the packets for my wife (who couldn't com) and myself. I jogged a few minutes to get to the expo, picked up the packets and jogged back to the hotel, then tacked on a couple of more miles afterwards. I then had lunch with a friend who lived in the area and had some extremely delicious but greasy fried seafood. I relaxed for a couple of more hours and then met up with WorrieKing for dinner at his hotel. The service in the bar/restaurant was atrocious and it took forever to get someone to take our orders or to bring the check, but luckily neither of us seemed to be hungry and both enjoyed the conversation the extra time provided, ranging from mostly running to football and our group here. (Another plug for the fantasy football league for the regulars in this thread next year) When the check finally came they gave us Worrieking's discount from his hotel AND forget our appetizer, so we had about 65% taken off our bill, which Worrieking generously picked up, thanks man!

On my way back to the hotel I thought about grabbing some snacks for the early morning, but didn't see any stores or bakeries open where I can quickly get something for later. However, I walked by the bar in my hotel on the way to the elevator and felt that I wasn't quite full, so I went in and grabbed a table. 20 minutes later I had another plate of pasta and some artichoke spinach dip in my stomach. I made it upstairs, laid out everything for the next day and then after talking to my wife for a bit went to bed.

I never sleep well pre-race and this night was no exception, maybe 4-5 hours tops. The difference from most other races was that I woke up with little trouble and felt energetic and ready. I headed out the door for a quick shake-out run, then came back to my room to get my gear on. I was warned by Worrieking and others that the corral can get a little crowded so I got there a good 45 minutes ahead of time. While it felt sufficiently warm on my shakeout run, I guess it's a different story when you are standing around as I started shivering a bit. Mercifully the time went by quickly and before I knew it they were marching us up to the start line behind the elites/sub-elites. I think I was about 3-4 rows back and it was a huge mess for the first 1/4-1/2 of the race as usual. I did see some of the lead female marathoners and knew I should definitely be ahead of them so I threw in one surge and settled in behind some marathoners with double-digit (elite) bibs. One of the marathoners was wearing a Hansons singlet so I KNEW he had to be running at least sub-2:20 pace and probably going for the trials qualifier of 2:18. Shortly after I realized he was the guy who wrote this book - http://www.amazon.com/Hansons-Half-Marathon-Method-Your-Best/dp/1937715191/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1390228543&sr=8-2&keywords=hansons+marathon+method ... I couldn't see my watch for the first 2 miles or so, so the onlyl things I could really rely on were the clocks at each mile mark and how I was feeling.

Race Report - Mile-by-mile replay:
Mile 1 - 5:12 - I didn't see this split but the pace felt comfortably hard.
Mile 2 - 5:15 - The two American marathoners started chatting about whether they want to pick it up. I felt good so I took over the lead for our pack here
and led mile 3
Mile 3 - 5:05 - I didn't see this split on my watch either so I didn't freak out here, either the clocks were off or it was still dark but I thought this mile was more in the 5:10 range.
Mile 4 - 5:10 - The marathoners took over the lead here and I decided that since there were 5 of us I probably don't need to lead for more than 1-2 miles before we split of so I just tucked in.
Mile 5 - 5:15 - I have never actually run under 26 minutes for an 8K before. So it was amusing to see the clock in the 25:40s when I passed the 8K mark and 25:50s when I passed 5 miles. Still feeling good though. (New 8K/5Mile PRs ~25:47 / 25:57)
Mile 6 - 5:08 - Shortly after 6 miles I came through 10K with a 23 second PR for that distance. I am also feeling the pace a little bit but I know the full/half
guys split around mile 8 so I decided it's probably worth it to sit on these guys for a little longer and have them break the wind for me and run a little faster than I probably should. (New 10K PR - 32:09)
Mile 7 - 5:07 - I am questioning my decision to stick with the pack but I know it's only one more mile or so.
Mile 8 - 5:11 - The marathoners split off but I find that the view is much nicer now with a string of bunhuggers in front of me out to the horizon. I am
picking off the girls in the half marathon championships one after the other, I am getting a little tired/tight at this point too but I know there's no way
I should be settling in behind any of them if I want to run a good time.
Mile 9 - 5:12 - Still plugging away. Course has been going downhill for the last couple of miles too so it's easy to keep this momentum going. I also never really counted/tracked 15K PRs, but I am doing the Gate River Run / US 15K championships so I wanted to see what kind of a time I can do here. (15K PR - 48:14, 10K PR of 32:08 from 5K-15K mark)
Mile 10 - 5:18 - The course levels off and there are a few turns. I set a PR by about 1.5 minutes at this checkpoint (never broke 53:20). (New 10-mile PR - 51:53)
Mile 11 - 5:11 - Must have been another net downhill mile because the effort didn't pick up. I did some quick math and realized I needed 2 more 5:11s to
have a shot at going under 68 but I am getting pretty damn tired.
Mile 12 - 5:19 - There was a long gradual climb here that killed my momentum, and when I hit 1 mile to go I knew sub-68 was out the window. But I also
had some rivals/friends that had run low-68s so I made it my goal the last mile to run as fast as I can to get a PR faster than these guys.
Mile 13 - 5:12 - Passed Sara Hall and some other pretty big names this mile but didn't realize it at the time. I had jogged the last half a mile or so
of the course the day before though so I knew exactly when I can start my push for home. I came around the last turn with 0.1 left and gave it
everything I had. Last 0.12 - 37s - 68:14 on my watch but 68:12 officially - 4th overall / 1st American. New HM PR by 2:21.

It was an amazing feeling once I caught my breath and realized what I had just done. Training has been going extremely well lately as I was running close to my old workout times from when I was living at sea level, but to have everything come together on race day and to execute my race plan as well as I did was tremendously satisfying. (well, I would've liked another 1s/mi somewhere, but hopefully that'll happen later this year). I had people telling me that I might have gone faster if I was in the championship race since it looked like I basically ran all alone in the results. (3rd place was
over 30 seconds and and 5th place finished 2 minutes behind). But I think the race unfolded in a way that gave me someone to run with or chase the whole way. It also helped that these people basically ran the tangents perfectly the entire way as the 13.12 on my garmin is one of the shortest measures I have gotten on a HM since I started racing with GPS watches 2 years ago. (there were a couple of 13.11-13.12s where the course was basically an out-and-back, but on a loop course like this one I usually expect to get anywhere from 13.15-13.20)

This weekend pretty much had everything, running, racing, PRs (I counted 5 for the distances that I track) and finally meeting someone from this group. Thank you guys for the support along the way and I hope I'll get to meet at least a few more of you guys in the near future.

 
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Congrats on the big PR, worrierking! Looking forward to the race report.

Wow, Steve, nice race report. What do you attribute this huge breakthrough to? Setting distance PRs throughout a HM is unreal. I'd be interested to see training logs over the last 3-4 months or so via PM if it's too much for the thread.

 
HFS STEVE!!!!!!!!! :shock:

Worrier - huge congrats on your PR! You've put it a ton of work over the past year with some impressive volume. Love seeing the hard work pay off like that!

 
Congrats on the big PR, worrierking! Looking forward to the race report.

Wow, Steve, nice race report. What do you attribute this huge breakthrough to? Setting distance PRs throughout a HM is unreal. I'd be interested to see training logs over the last 3-4 months or so via PM if it's too much for the thread.
To be honest, I have been holding an "ace in the hole" for years and have only started to play it (or figured out how to play it) - race weight.

I have always been on the heavier side for a runner. I think my senior year we did a body fat (skinfold) analysis and I had the highest measure on our varsity XC team despite being #2/3 consistently for the whole year. (and it was double the next highest person's). Even then, I think my racing weight was 135-140 in HS and 140-145 in college.

I posted this on another forum a couple of months ago when a discussion on racing weight came up. The premise of the discussion was over a common rule of thumb that one tends to improve 2s/mi for every pound of unnecessary weight they manage to shed. This is my progression for the last few years:

June 2009 - 1:20:57 HM - 170 lbs. (6:10/mi)

November 2009 - 1:15:33 HM - 160 lbs. (5:46/mi)

24s/mi over 10 lbs loss -> 2.4s/mi/lb

February 2010 - 1:14:22 HM - 160 lbs (5:42/mi)

December 2011 - 1:12:52 HM - 155 lbs (5:33/mi)

9s/mi over 5 lbs -> 1.8s/mi/lb

December 2011 - 1:12:52 HM - 155 lbs (5:33/mi)

August 2012 - 1:10:34 HM - 150 lbs (5:23/mi)

10s/mi over 5 lbs -> 2.0s/mi/lb

October 2013 - 1:14:00 HM - 160 lbs (5:39/mi) *(Adjusted for altitude, actual race was 76:39 @ 5000+ ft)

December 2013 - 1:10:45 HM - 152 lbs (5:23/mi)

16s/mi over 8 lbs -> 1.75/mi/lb

December 2013 - 1:10:45 HM - 152 lbs (5:23/mi)

January 2014 - 1:08:12 HM - 147 lbs (5:12/mi)

11s/mi over 5 lbs -> 2.2/mi/lb

Obviously the improvement and progression isn't all due to weight, otherwise I would cut out all the 100+ mile weeks and just cross-train. (and you can see that I only lost 2 lbs or so between the 70:34 in August/2012 and 68:12 yesterday while dropping 11s/mi. The rest I would attribute:

1. Really taking care of myself more in terms of foam rolling, stretching, getting massages. (there's a massage school here that gives $25/hour student massages and $40 professional ones, obviously won't be the same quality as what pro athletes get but most of the time it's just for maintenance)

2. A strengthening/rehab program from this summer that seems to have strengthened some of my weaker areas a bit. (hamstrings in particular). I need to get back on this as I have been neglecting it for a month or two.

3. Training smarter. Knowing when to bag/skip workouts when I don't feel like I am recovered, and therefore not digging myself into holes that I can't recover from.

4. More mileage. I have never done more than 2 weeks in a row at over 100 mpw before last year, and when I went for 3 in a row before Boston that was pretty much the start of my injury troubles. Between early December and last week I managed weeks of 125, 117, 106, 103 before backing off for Houston last week and while I made some minor tight spots here and there I got on top of them right away and skipped/shortened some workouts.

5. Eating healthy 6-6.5 days out of the week. I think this is how the weight loss happened. I have gone through phases in the past where I think "gee, if I lose 10 lbs I can run so much faster" but the problem is I was going about it the wrong way. I was still eating crap but just less of it, and when you have a diet like that you're counting calories but you don't feel full. So eventually you cave in no matter how much will power you have and it's back to square one. Now I'm eating high fiber (helps with feeling full) and lean meats most meals with plenty of fruits and veggies. Sure I reward myself once in awhile (I am sure no less than 5 of you saw my post-race meal yesterday :lol: ) but overall it's 2 steps forward and 1 step back for the past few months.

6. Moving to altitude. While this was an unexpected move due to my wife's career, and that not everyone benefits from living/training at altitude, I feel like this has helped me tremendously once I got over the frustration of not being able to do workouts at goal race pace. In fact, I think it's taught me to race by feel/effort again and become more willing to take risks when I come back down to sea level as I pretty much have to put my faith in some altitude conversion calculators I found online and trust that when I go out at a pace I can't hold for more than 10-15 minute at altitude that I will somehow be able to hold it for over an hour in a sea level race.

 
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Congrats, again, Steve! I didn't realize you were putting in such high mileage. I'm curious, what does the typical week look like? Not necessarily paces, but miles and types of runs (long-slow, tempo, speed work, etc.).

 
Soooo should I be supplementing my running with any kind of lifting as I prepare for my first marathon in October?
yes. Core work, lunges, hips, calves, push ups, planks, tris. Just don't lift for strength, more reps and less rest between sets.
 
Congrats on the big PR, worrierking! Looking forward to the race report.

Wow, Steve, nice race report. What do you attribute this huge breakthrough to? Setting distance PRs throughout a HM is unreal. I'd be interested to see training logs over the last 3-4 months or so via PM if it's too much for the thread.
Congrats, again, Steve! I didn't realize you were putting in such high mileage. I'm curious, what does the typical week look like? Not necessarily paces, but miles and types of runs (long-slow, tempo, speed work, etc.).
Here is my last 20 weeks from my log, then I'll post a sample week structure I have been following for pretty much every non-taper week for the last couple of years. (with the exception of a few less doubles on weeks where I am building up at the beginning of a cycle)

(sorry, this didn't come out like the nice spreadsheet that got posted in here the first time I tried to post, let me try this again)

(basic format)

Week) Miles - Race/workouts 1/// Workout 2

1) 50 - Free 2-mile race - 11:45

2) 51 - 3 mile tempo - 17:39 (in New Orleans, work)

3) 55

4) 70 - 5K race in 17:14

5) 82 - Free 2 mile race in 11:30

6) 77 - 5K race in 18:10

7) 80 - Duke City Half (5000 ft) in 76:39 (5:51/mi, 6th place) /// Tempo workout, 3, 1.5 (17:28, 8:36). 0.5/5 min rest in between

8) 101 - Kooky Spooky Half (5300 ft) @ MP effort 80:20

9) 108 - Tempo workout 3-1.5-3.15 (16:42, 8:26, 8:23) /// Tempo/10K pace workout - 3-1-1. (17:30, 5:38, 5:38)

10) 81 - 3mi race in 16:42 (hilly) /// Aborted tempo (2, 1.5 with 0.5 in between). 10:54, 8:15. (started too fast)

11) 65 - RnR Vegas Half - 70:45 (6th) /// 3mi tempo/simulation run. 16:23 (5:33, 5:29, 5:21 with 2:36 last 800)

12) 72 - 5 mile progression at end of 12 mile run (easy week)

13) 76 - 2-1.5-1-0.5 with 0.5/4min rest. (11:03, 8:03, 5:20, 2:32) /// Turkey Trot 5K - 16:43 (9th). Hilly - 5:29,5:38,5:01 (first 2 up, last 1 down)

14) 63 - Tucson Half - 70:45 (3000-2000 ft but net downhill) /// (Tune-up session) 5:27 mile in the middle of a shakeout run.

15) 80 - 20 in 2:14:30 (69:00 / 65:30 half splits). MP+10%-20% effort

16) 125 - 23 in 2:33:30. (last 10 in 62:30, last 4 in 24:04) /// 3x3mile @ MP/MP-10s/Tempo - 17:42, 17:25, 17:24

17) 117 - Failed 4x1.5mi on bikepath. 8:15-8:45-8:17-5:50 mile. /// Failed 6x1mi workout. 5:42-5:43-5:55. 25mph wind. $#*(%@

18) 106 - 6mile tempo in 32:30. 3-2-1 with 1:50/0.25 rest in between. (16:36 - 10:48 - 5:14)

19) 103 - "10K" tune-up race - 6.67 @ 5:35. (1st). Got lost and ran extra /// Aborted tempo after 2 in 10:47. Tired.

20) 82 - Houston Half-Marathon - 68:12. (4th) /// 3 mile tempo/simulation run on track. 16:14 (5:21-5:22-5:31)

*All workouts except for a few when I am on trips (and these are noted) are at sea level where there's probably a 10-15s/mi adjustment. So as much as I would love to have the impression that I am a badass that shows up and runs half-marathons at 10-15s/mi faster than my workout paces that's not the case.

**When there are two workouts/sessions listed for each week the 2nd one is actually the one I did earlier in the week. Just a system I started.

Most weeks pretty much will look like the schedule below going forward hopefully, as my body seems to be handling it well but I want to get it used to this level and get in quality workouts consistently before I try to add more miles. As you can see from the last few weeks I have a few workouts where I either went out slightly too fast and/or wasn't properly recovered for and I had to toss in the towel early. Wednesday/Saturday are the quality days but will get moved around as needed for races.

Monday- Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Tuesday - Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Wednesday - Morning 10-12 including workout. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Thursday - Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy

Friday - Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Saturday - Long run or long tempo workout. (depending on whether it's marathon or half-marathon/10K cycle). 12-22 depending on the session.

Sunday - Shorter long run. 10-14 miles.

Depending on the season I go with these types of workout mixes:

Marathon training - Saturday is either going to be a long run with 8-16 miles of MP mixed in or just a plain old Hanson's/Pfitz long run with MP+10-20%. (probably alternate every other week). Wednesday will most likely be tempo/HMP work although every 3-4 weeks I'll substitute this session with 10K/5K paced work for an injection of speed.

Half-Marathon Training - weekend sessions will definitely be tempo work. (probably 3x2, 2x3, or just a straight 5-6 mile HMP run). I might switch in a longer session with MP work if I feel like I need a bit more strength work. The Wednesday session will probably be 5K/10K work or a mix-speed workout you saw me doing a few times. (3 miles @ HMP, 2 miles @ 10K, 1 mile @ 5K with about 400 meter rest in between).

5K/10K training - I need to figure this part out for this summer. I planned a summer of speed but I really want to get out there and run another half and I know I won't have a chance to until at least June. I am going to commit to doing something with 400s/800s at least once every 2-3 weeks though even if my summer turns into a 10K/HM phase.

 
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Ran 9-5-5 the last three days, and oddly the groin has felt progressively better (knock on wood). Virtually no pain (just one or two little twinges) on an easy 5-miler earlier this afternoon.

Saw my chiro last Friday for a pelvic adjustment, so maybe that's helping. I'm also in the middle of a max ibuprofen regimen (3200 mg/day) per my PT's advice. If it's lingering inflammation causing the soreness, I wanna try to knock it the #### out. If it continues to feel better as the week progresses, I'll go ahead and run the indoor half on Saturday. If that goes OK (again, knock on wood), I'll seriously consider canceling the MRA next Tuesday. Insurance will cover it, but since my deductible just reset, it would cost me $1,000+ out of pocket.

 
Steve - I've been 170-185 since high school.

At 6', I've never wanted to be lighter. My body fat has been measured twice in the past decade, between 4-6%.

Should I think about getting lighter?

ETA: my priorities are health and fitness. Running a sub 3 marathon would be awesome, but I'd be concerned about losing strength. I like that I can knock out 75 pushups whenever I feel compelled to.

 
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Monday- Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Tuesday - Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Wednesday - Morning 10-12 including workout. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Thursday - Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy

Friday - Morning 8-12 easy. Afternoon 4-6 easy.

Saturday - Long run or long tempo workout. (depending on whether it's marathon or half-marathon/10K cycle). 12-22 depending on the session.

Sunday - Shorter long run. 10-14 miles.

Depending on the season I go with these types of workout mixes:

Marathon training - Saturday is either going to be a long run with 8-16 miles of MP mixed in or just a plain old Hanson's/Pfitz long run with MP+10-20%. (probably alternate every other week). Wednesday will most likely be tempo/HMP work although every 3-4 weeks I'll substitute this session with 10K/5K paced work for an injection of speed.

Half-Marathon Training - weekend sessions will definitely be tempo work. (probably 3x2, 2x3, or just a straight 5-6 mile HMP run). I might switch in a longer session with MP work if I feel like I need a bit more strength work. The Wednesday session will probably be 5K/10K work or a mix-speed workout you saw me doing a few times. (3 miles @ HMP, 2 miles @ 10K, 1 mile @ 5K with about 400 meter rest in between).

5K/10K training - I need to figure this part out for this summer. I planned a summer of speed but I really want to get out there and run another half and I know I won't have a chance to until at least June. I am going to commit to doing something with 400s/800s at least once every 2-3 weeks though even if my summer turns into a 10K/HM phase.
A couple of very interesting posts, Steve ..thanks. Seeing this weekly schedule, it begs the question: How can you run so fast when you train so slow? But of course, that's the question that has been asked and answered on a number of occasions in this thread. Take all the benefits from the strong, but easy, mileage, factor in a good diet and other 'maintenance' that you discussed, and good things can happen. Congrats again on a great race!

 

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