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1/2 hour limit for me. Treadmill = yuck.I'll use cycling rain socks for running in nasty conditions- cold and wet- if I know I'm going to be out there for more than 45mins.Treadmill.Anyone have any good raingear suggestions??
Cramps during a workout = bad hydratinCramps after a workout = bad nutritionHELP!! my Quads are burning (WTF!). I missed a couple of workouts last week due to a business trip, and am currently paying the price. On Saturday I ran a 7-miler, followed immediately with a 2,000m swim (legs cramped a bit), and pulled weeds all afternoon. Sunday I woke up a bit sore (all in the quads), but was still able to complete a 30 mile bike ride w/ little to no pain. Last night my quads starting burning (not too bad, but uncomfortable). This morning I had a 6 miler scheduled, but cut it off at 4, due to the tightness. Now they are cramping a bit, and hurt like a you know what. I'm hydrating up a storm (and have been for the past 48 hours) and am also including some Gatorade's in the mix. For an old guy who traditionally has either knee or calf problems, this is all new to me. I'm guessing an ice bath is in my future for tonight, but any other suggestions? Also, any idea how long this will last, and whether I need to fully rest to get them better?Chaka said:wraith5 said:Does this really happen to people? I have heard about it but...oh my does that sound painful.
P.S. I vaseline my nipplesprior to long runs and medium runs in the rain (= works for me).
You are in calorie deficit and your body is eating it's muscles for energy. Go get a super monster and report back.
But I'd add that cramps during or after a workout are about both hydration and electrolyte defecit.
Thanks. Feeling a little better after some more sleep. I was actually surprised as I plateau'ed off after the first week and stopped weighing myself until yesterday. Now I'll be obsessed all over again (I know its not good but I'm OCD)Sorry you're been sick, but the weight loss is a "nice" side effect. I'm a little jealous of the rapid loss! Hope to hear you hit the bike tomorrow.KTM said:Since my last post, I've been down for the count with a bad bad cold for the past 5 days. Needless to say, no running/biking for me. I hope I'm clear enough tomorrow to get an easy bike in to get the blood going again.On a positive note - I lost 10.5lbs since getting back into running/biking (started March 2nd). Pants are fitting great, I feel my posture is better. It's definitely motivating.
Other areas to target (with Vaseline, Bodyglide, or whatever) include the toes, inner thighs, and armpits. I've had some luck with Bodyglide on the toes, nips, and thighs. Pits haven't been a chafing spot for me.
get rid of the tighty whities - at least switch to the Under Armour stuff. You're right about staying away from cotton. Hope you feel better before your run!
tighty whities will = reddy naddies pdq.I run in shorts that have a jock built in like these- keeps the boys in place and does a good job keeping them dry.
What did the doc say?
Good luck tomorrow- my knee problems are returning too. And of course, no trip to the doc for me either... yet.Don't get too carried away with the ibuprophen, especially before running. It can affect the kidneys, and you don't want that when you're dehydrating yourself anyhow during the long runs. Acetaminophen before a run is ok if you must, but hold off on the ibu until afterwards.What did the doc say?
If it still hurts bad when I run tomorrow I will have to go to the doctor. Man I hope it doesn't hurt!What did the doc say?
Interesting. Thanks. I always wanted to tell people I was doing fartleks just so I can say the word out loud.I really do need to break it up. I get bored easily. I was running on Sunday and was just hoping to see someone, anyone running or walking their dog so I could have some sort of goal to try and catch up with them. I don't know how I am going to run for a whole hour as thirty minutes seems like a long time right now. I am sure I will get through it. Thanks again for the advice.
good job. 5 hours. good lord that is a long time to run.Did four miles last night.I almost ptts'd it again, like I had done Tuesday and Wednesday (windy). I'm planning on doing 12 on Saturday, and really needed to get in a run before then, so I sucked it up and went for a run.I didn't want to get raped by running my usual canal route in the dark (I went out at 9:30pm, after getting in my fix of Survivor and CSI
It netted out at about a 9:16 pace, for a total of 37:05. Once again, just a I'm-still-here-
bit of I-T ache.I'm pleased with how things are progressing. I just have to watch that I don't get cocky. I registered for the Country Music Marathon, opting for a more conservative 5hours in the "estimated time?" box on the form. The past two marathons, I felt I had a 4hr race in me, and ended up with almost 5hrs, so I'm going for the reverse-psychology effect here.
I've been poor about updating my runs here, and more importantly encouraging everyone else. I blame Franknbeans - his threads distract me everytime I come to the FFA... Great job, GStrot, on getting your runs in. Looks like you are increasing distance as well.
really nice job.this thread is (once again) making me rethink my "10k is a long race" negative thoughts. Thanks and nice job.Just did 12. Someone please shoot me, put me out of my misery.
What kind of socks should I buy? I acted like I had my socks all ready when I bought my shoes at the fancy running store. I did not want him to think I was some noob to running and didn't have the right socks. I am sure he saw right through that but I kept up the ruse. I am now thinking I should get some decent socks, too.This is a very
I should have kept reading for the sock answer. This thread rocks.
Hey EF; I've been on Glucosamine Chondroitin Complex for approximately six months. I have a lack of cartilage problem in both knees, and in my back, and have not had ANY problems since I started taking it. I am a firm believer in it, and highly recommend if you are experiencing runner's knee (also called Chondromalacia). I take two pills everyday.
I was thinking of adding 60 minute walks just to get used to being out and about for that long a time and to get my legs used to working for that long.as an update, I ran a "5k" on Sunday, 3.1 miles in just under 30 minutes. Traffic can really slow you down. Amazing where I was and where I am now. I just hope in 8 weeks I can again double my running and get through the 10k. I feel pretty good about it. Thanks to everyone in this thread so far. It has been a big help and a HUGE motivator when I don't want to get out of bed in the morning to run.No need to apologize, I am The Master Cleanse Guy, might have to change my username accordingly.The walks have really helped me with endurance on the long runs, went 10.3 miles yesterday and could easily have gone longer, no leg pain today either. My splits are also excellent with my 10th mile being as fast as my 1st and even with the walking breaks (1min walk every 5 min for me) I am averageing a 10 minute mile which is the pace I am targeting for the Rock'n'Roll marathon in June.I pretty much figured that's how I would be labled when I started that thread. If you want to try something a little unique for your long runs do some research on Jeff Galloway. He is a big time marathoner (I imagine he has already been mentioned in this thread but I haven't read all 13 pages) and he strongly recommends a run-walk strategy. Basically you run 5 minutes and walk 1 minute for the entire run.
Sorry, dude - I didn't feel like finding the thread to see who started it, and didn't realize it was you. At least you know you made an impact...
I used to incorporate walks into my runs - about once every two miles, which is when I try to drink (and mirrors well to water stops in races). On long runs every-other "stop" I'd take a gel, too. For some reason I got out of that habit the past couple of years. I may bring it back to see how it feels.
I did a "fast" 6 miler on Saturday, and knocked out 13 yesterday - my first of the season. Those in Chicago know that yesterday morning was pretty nice for a run, although it was a bit windy... Unfortunately for me, my wife decided her schedule trumped mine, so I ran every freaking step of my run - 1 hr 58 min worth - in the rain yesterday afternoon. Anyone have any good raingear suggestions??
On my shorter runs 3-4 milers I am not taking breaks anymore and am averaging 8:50 miles.
For me these are great times.
See, we know about your goal, so if you fail to achieve it, we'll all be here to mock and ridicule you. That should provide you with the proper motivation to train.
..... but it's true I was just remembering that all of this inspiring work was started on a bet- pretty amazing.
that you could knock out a 10k right now. It would most definitely hurt and it would probably do a lot more harm than good- but given your recent performance, I have complete faith you're capable. I'm the same way around salespeople- hate them thinking I'm a ignoramus about something and will tell them the solitary thing I know about a subject over and over just to prove I'm not (which never works) . But I came to learn with the triathlons that some guys at the bike and running stores really know their stuff. So now I just act like a complete noob if it's something I don't know much about, and try and glean as much info as I can from them. It's pretty easy to figure who the $7 hour clueless sales guy is and who's the runner/biker 
- I stop listening to the former pronto.
NICE work! Very inspiring stuff.When's your race? Those were the kind of swim workouts I'd be doing right around race day (for a 1/2), but bike/runs are about midway into my 1/2 training... so I'm curious. Also kinda jonesing to do a little swimming/biking of my own. Kinda. Well... a little, mebbe.
My next race is only a sprint (500m, 30k, 5k) and is April 29th. My swim sessions have been a bit more intense than my bikes/runs, as I've only been running/biking for two weeks, after virtually not running/biking at all since the first week of January (I broke a toe training for the Houston marathon; then tore a calf muscle trying to get back to soon, then had a vasectomy). Running is generally my strength, but I'm hesitant to run too much or too quick, as I've had a series of injuries over the past year and a half, after having virtually none in my first 38 years of life.NICE work! Very inspiring stuff.When's your race? Those were the kind of swim workouts I'd be doing right around race day (for a 1/2), but bike/runs are about midway into my 1/2 training... so I'm curious. Also kinda jonesing to do a little swimming/biking of my own. Kinda. Well... a little, mebbe.
I started the thread for a reason.
I have already said 3-4 times that I use them instead of underwear. Breath great and offer tremendous support.
I forgot about that littany of injuries... man- you are so smart to take things slow.I went through the exact same thing- played soccer for years (semi-pro for a bit) and never had more than a sprained ankle (LOTS of sprained ankles). The IM training just killed me- whether it was because I'm older (same age as you plus 1) or what- it was one thing after another. but probably a result of the one thing and then not resting/treating it properly so that everything else happened as a result. Again- props to you for being so smart about getting back into things slowly.My next race is only a sprint (500m, 30k, 5k) and is April 29th. My swim sessions have been a bit more intense than my bikes/runs, as I've only been running/biking for two weeks, after virtually not running/biking at all since the first week of January (I broke a toe training for the Houston marathon; then tore a calf muscle trying to get back to soon, then had a vasectomy). Running is generally my strength, but I'm hesitant to run too much or too quick, as I've had a series of injuries over the past year and a half, after having virtually none in my first 38 years of life.NICE work! Very inspiring stuff.When's your race? Those were the kind of swim workouts I'd be doing right around race day (for a 1/2), but bike/runs are about midway into my 1/2 training... so I'm curious. Also kinda jonesing to do a little swimming/biking of my own. Kinda. Well... a little, mebbe.
It was a fake 5k. Since I had 16 weeks to train for the 10k, I did the 8 week 5k training program by Higdon and am sarting up the 10k training program this week. So, the 5k I ran on Sunday was just the conclusion of the 5k training program. I felt I had to run 3.1 at the end. Not much different than 3 miles, really. It was actually my 3 mile route with an extra couple of blocks thrown in to make it 3.1 (according to mapmyrun.com). The traffic was actual traffic as in cars and traffic lights and such. Sorry if that was unclear.I was already buying $100 shoes, I didn't want the guys eyes to turn into..... but it's true
I'd go as far as betting
How did the 5k feel, besides the traffic? Were you able to find a pace that worked for you? Did you find yourself jumping ahead too fast at the start? How'd it feel finishing? Races are the best training ground for future races, IMO.
And re: socks-
and see me walking out with $20 socks and $50 shirts and $10 nipple bandaids. I may go back and get the socks. Double layer socks sound uncomfortable anyway.
Is that a vanity thing that you don't just run in them? Not busting your chops there- I'm not a big fan of running in my tri shorts either unless I'm racing. But I always wonder about the people who run in both.
Yeah it's probably a form of vanity. I have no problem with my body, I wear the compression shirts all the time, and I don't have a problem with nakedness in general but it feels a little silly to wear something so form fitting while running. Perhaps it's because I am aware that so many people are offended by a naked guy even in a locker room so why bother them out in a public place? Not sure really.FWIW I think T.O. looks pretty silly when he practices in the complete compression outfit and he as the body of Adonis.
I can't believe I opened that link
Yeah- I hear you completely. I guess it's more a societal thing- at tri races, those shorts are the norm, so I feel 100% comfortable walking around in them. Taking the subway up to Central Park for a workout... not so much.Have you tried the running shorts that come with built-in jocks/banana-hammocks? I used to run with an old style jock, tried the boxer-briefs for a short, painfull stretch, and then found the newer shorts hold everything together to my satisfaction. And they satisfy my own sense of decorum on the subway.
Interesting. I read about this stuff while researching my newfound knee pain and picked some up a few days ago. I'm sure it will be a few weeks before I realize any benefits, but I just love popping pills.Hey EF; I've been on Glucosamine Chondroitin Complex for approximately six months. I have a lack of cartilage problem in both knees, and in my back, and have not had ANY problems since I started taking it. I am a firm believer in it, and highly recommend if you are experiencing runner's knee (also called Chondromalacia). I take two pills everyday.
Also, I'm starting to think my knee problem resembles Chondromalacia more than ITBS. I guess I could go to a doctor and get an actual diagnosis. We'll see how today's run goes first...Just be sure to LOOK at the socks before you buy 'em. Don't just grab a pair (or have the salesperson grab a pair) and toss 'em on the counter.Before my Dublin Marathon when I initially bought my shoes at the start of training, I got some socks as well. The usual white of course, but I also saw a black pair that had the Arizona flag on the cuff. I figured it would be cool to show the flag during the race (to show off where I was from, etc). I didn't train in them right away, but I grabbed 'em one day, put 'em on, and it was "oh HELL no!And re: socks-
". The word "Arizona" was stitched (or perhaps just a rubber-like iron-on-style, I fergits) right in the center of the bottom of the foot. I started seeing visions of HUGE blisters forming. I put those socks away, and at the moment, I can't remember where. lol I suppose I could wear 'em for normal everyday use, but I'd never run in 'em.
It's funny how your mindset changes depending on the company you are in.When I first went to Finland (lived there for two years) everyone insisted that I must use the sauna, it's a country of 5.3 million people and 3.3 million saunas -- no kidding (sauna is to the Finns what Spice is to Arrakeens
). At first I was the only guy in the sauna wearing my bathing suit, naked is the norm, and I'll tell you what I felt pretty darned uncomfortable.I am pretty happy with the compression-shorts-as-underwear thing I have going now. It's completely comfortable and the material breathes so much better than traditional cycling shorts, and is a darned sight better than regular underwear. I haven't tried the built in models but I will look into them the next time I need a new pair.damnit. I wish I had enough culture to understand what this means. I bet it is funny.(sauna is to the Finns what Spice is to Arrakeens
And of course, this brings up the important point of never using something new on race day- whether it's socks, gu, hat, cocaine, salt-tabs... make sure you train adequately with it before racing with it.Just be sure to LOOK at the socks before you buy 'em. Don't just grab a pair (or have the salesperson grab a pair) and toss 'em on the counter.Before my Dublin Marathon when I initially bought my shoes at the start of training, I got some socks as well. The usual white of course, but I also saw a black pair that had the Arizona flag on the cuff. I figured it would be cool to show the flag during the race (to show off where I was from, etc). I didn't train in them right away, but I grabbed 'em one day, put 'em on, and it was "oh HELL no!And re: socks-. But I came to learn with the triathlons that some guys at the bike and running stores really know their stuff. So now I just act like a complete noob if it's something I don't know much about, and try and glean as much info as I can from them. It's pretty easy to figure who the $7 hour clueless sales guy is and who's the runner/biker
". The word "Arizona" was stitched (or perhaps just a rubber-like iron-on-style, I fergits) right in the center of the bottom of the foot. I started seeing visions of HUGE blisters forming. I put those socks away, and at the moment, I can't remember where. lol I suppose I could wear 'em for normal everyday use, but I'd never run in 'em.
So, save yourselves a lot of pain and grief when you go shopping, and be sure to look for potential problems before the items hit the counter. Raised stitching, hems, rough edges, etc. Even a stitched logo on the chest, toe stitching in socks, or an extra tag in an unusual place can rub you wrong. If it feels like your face with day-old growth, then you don't want to run in it. I don't imagine the brand names (Nike, etc) would be a problem, but if you go with the off-brands, do take a look/try on if you can.
I like that you think it is culture and not certifiable dorkitude.Dune - Frank Herbert referencedamnit. I wish I had enough culture to understand what this means. I bet it is funny.(sauna is to the Finns what Spice is to Arrakeens
My Doc (Sports Medicine Specialist!) said it takes about a month to build up in your system to start working. Keep us posted on whether it's working for you.Interesting. I read about this stuff while researching my newfound knee pain and picked some up a few days ago. I'm sure it will be a few weeks before I realize any benefits, but I just love popping pills.Hey EF; I've been on Glucosamine Chondroitin Complex for approximately six months. I have a lack of cartilage problem in both knees, and in my back, and have not had ANY problems since I started taking it. I am a firm believer in it, and highly recommend if you are experiencing runner's knee (also called Chondromalacia). I take two pills everyday.
Obviously I did not google it. I thought Arrakeens were some Middle Eastern or African country that like spices. Maybe near India. I never got into Dune. Even with Sting. nothing to see here, back to running...I like that you think it is culture and not certifiable dorkitude.Dune - Frank Herbert referencedamnit. I wish I had enough culture to understand what this means. I bet it is funny.(sauna is to the Finns what Spice is to Arrakeens
That's culture... isn't it?I like that you think it is culture and not certifiable dorkitude.Dune - Frank Herbert referencedamnit. I wish I had enough culture to understand what this means. I bet it is funny.(sauna is to the Finns what Spice is to Arrakeens
I've been dying to get to Finland. One of my wife's girlfriends is Finnish (? a Fin?) and we've been trying to get there, at her invitation for August. Finnish women...It's funny how your mindset changes depending on the company you are in.
When I first went to Finland (lived there for two years) everyone insisted that I must use the sauna, it's a country of 5.3 million people and 3.3 million saunas -- no kidding (sauna is to the Finns what Spice is to Arrakeens). At first I was the only guy in the sauna wearing my bathing suit, naked is the norm, and I'll tell you what I felt pretty darned uncomfortable.
I am pretty happy with the compression-shorts-as-underwear thing I have going now. It's completely comfortable and the material breathes so much better than traditional cycling shorts, and is a darned sight better than regular underwear. I haven't tried the built in models but I will look into them the next time I need a new pair.
. She used to date Mika Hakkinen (sp. the race car driver)... but I have a feeling, like with Bjork in Iceland, everybody has something to do with him.I'll have to try the compression things some time, although I'm happy enough in my running shorts. Don't know if you've tried Tri shorts- minimal padding and meant for running. Running in biking shorts is pretty grim.
