Ran a 10k in June (3 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

For you tri junkies. I applied and was accepted as a member of the local bike shop's multi sport team. I guess I'll be relearning how to swim soon. I'll also be representing them in biking events. Pretty good deal....20% off service/fit/instruction/class, $5 an hour computrainer rides, 10% off stuff, two workout shirts, one tri outfit, and likely other shop attire at cost. Glad to find out there's a master clydesdale division. I balloned to 229 and am back close to 220. Will try to race at 201-204 this year.

Awesome deal :jealous:! Regarding your HR question, I have no clue. That's a large jump, and with the output you've had over the past year, you certainly should have sniffed your Max prior to this. I know your max HR can increase with training (though it's not supposed to very much), or more likely maintain as you age, but that's a ridiculous increase! Changes in resting HR are generally a better measure of fitness (i.e., changes are more likely to occur in resting HR than Max HR) than changes in Max HR. How would you rate your RPE (rate of perceived exertion) for this ride compared to previous? If it's the same, you might want to wait for at least another piece of data to make sure it's not an anomaly or technical error (monitor misread). Also, did you check your HR after completion? If so, did it drop quickly (20 bpm+ in the first minute)? If it did, it suggests you weren't in too much trouble with it up, if it dropped less than 10 bpm, you most likely over extended.

Hello liquors. I went hard out of the gate. Legs weren't where I'd hope they would be. HR stayed high as the watts plummetted. I didn't feel cardio bad as much a leg bad. Did manage to recover enough to put out 700+ watts at the sprint finish. After the ride I dropped 20 bpm in about a minute. It took me a while to get my breath back after the sprint. Last night when I went to bed I had a very bad headache which never happens.I'm hoping this experience is telling me that my base is strong and I'll round back into form quickly.

 

[pigskinliquors]

For you tri junkies. I applied and was accepted as a member of the local bike shop's multi sport team. I guess I'll be relearning how to swim soon. I'll also be representing them in biking events. Pretty good deal....20% off service/fit/instruction/class, $5 an hour computrainer rides, 10% off stuff, two workout shirts, one tri outfit, and likely other shop attire at cost. Glad to find out there's a master clydesdale division. I balloned to 229 and am back close to 220. Will try to race at 201-204 this year.

Awesome deal :jealous:! Regarding your HR question, I have no clue. That's a large jump, and with the output you've had over the past year, you certainly should have sniffed your Max prior to this. I know your max HR can increase with training (though it's not supposed to very much), or more likely maintain as you age, but that's a ridiculous increase! Changes in resting HR are generally a better measure of fitness (i.e., changes are more likely to occur in resting HR than Max HR) than changes in Max HR.

How would you rate your RPE (rate of perceived exertion) for this ride compared to previous? If it's the same, you might want to wait for at least another piece of data to make sure it's not an anomaly or technical error (monitor misread). Also, did you check your HR after completion? If so, did it drop quickly (20 bpm+ in the first minute)? If it did, it suggests you weren't in too much trouble with it up, if it dropped less than 10 bpm, you most likely over extended.

Hello liquors. I went hard out of the gate. Legs weren't where I'd hope they would be. HR stayed high as the watts plummetted. I didn't feel cardio bad as much a leg bad. Did manage to recover enough to put out 700+ watts at the sprint finish. After the ride I dropped 20 bpm in about a minute. It took me a while to get my breath back after the sprint. Last night when I went to bed I had a very bad headache which never happens.I'm hoping this experience is telling me that my base is strong and I'll round back into form quickly.

With your HR bouncing back it suggests that indeed your base is strong, and your body is doing a great job handling lactic acid buildup (which had to be going on at those levels). My guess with the headache is that you didn't get yourself hydrated enough afterwards. Overall, a great sign for your season!edited to add: now lose some of that weight so that you can use that power more efficiently (says the guy who has put on 8 lbs.).

 

[bentley]

I'm also swimming a little bit in anticipation of the sprint tri. Am I better served to swim as far as I can (which is barely more than 50 meters at this point), take a break and then swim as fast as I can again or to swim the whole 400 meters each time, even if I have to take a break between each lap?

Stick with 50s for now. Slow down and really focus on technique. One of the things Tri-Man advised early on for me was to count my strokes to practice my reach and see if I could reduce the numer of strokes per length. How often are you breathing? I breathe on my right side every other stroke. This was one of the first things that allowed me to lengthen my swims and develop a "pace". One more thing, try swimming as slow as you can without your feet dropping so much that you can't swim. This made me realize I can slow down, catch my breath and then speed up. Its a huge confidence builder to learn that you can control yourself like when you run, in the pool. Ask for help at the pool. Like runners, and some cyclers , swimmers are very cool and like to share advice.

Thanks for the advice. My problem with that is that I'm swimming at a Gold's Gym where there are usually zero or maybe one other person swimming. I'll definitely follow the rest of your advice.Made it to 9 miles on the long run today. Don't want to get overconfident, but I'm feeling very good about the half marathon in February, provided that I react OK to the cold.

My next run is going to be the Trail of Lights 5K in Austin at 6:30 on 12/13. They open the Trail up to visitors on the morning of the 14th, so this is sorta a special preview for runners. I haven't run a timed race in months, but I expect a pretty good show.

Are you running the Austin Half?! If so, it's a great race, with tons of music, excellent volunteers, and good crowds. I'm sure you've done it before, but in case you haven't, get some practice runs going down Congress and back down 1st street. Congress is such a long, gradual climb to start the race that you really need to manage your HR early; and then you have to be careful to not go to fast back down 1st street with the long consistent decline. The turn to get from Congress to 1st street (can't remember the name) also has a couple quick ups and downs. Running this a few times prior to your race will at least get you mind and body ready for the unique start.

Yes. The Austin Half. I've never done anything more than the Cap 10K but it seems like every 5K in town involves the Congress/1st Street area. I'll try to hit it a few more times when I run at Town Lake. Thanks for the tip.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm also swimming a little bit in anticipation of the sprint tri. Am I better served to swim as far as I can (which is barely more than 50 meters at this point), take a break and then swim as fast as I can again or to swim the whole 400 meters each time, even if I have to take a break between each lap?

Stick with 50s for now. Slow down and really focus on technique. One of the things Tri-Man advised early on for me was to count my strokes to practice my reach and see if I could reduce the numer of strokes per length. How often are you breathing? I breathe on my right side every other stroke. This was one of the first things that allowed me to lengthen my swims and develop a "pace". One more thing, try swimming as slow as you can without your feet dropping so much that you can't swim. This made me realize I can slow down, catch my breath and then speed up. Its a huge confidence builder to learn that you can control yourself like when you run, in the pool. Ask for help at the pool. Like runners, and some cyclers <_< , swimmers are very cool and like to share advice.

Thanks for the advice. My problem with that is that I'm swimming at a Gold's Gym where there are usually zero or maybe one other person swimming. I'll definitely follow the rest of your advice.Made it to 9 miles on the long run today. Don't want to get overconfident, but I'm feeling very good about the half marathon in February, provided that I react OK to the cold.

My next run is going to be the Trail of Lights 5K in Austin at 6:30 on 12/13. They open the Trail up to visitors on the morning of the 14th, so this is sorta a special preview for runners. I haven't run a timed race in months, but I expect a pretty good show.

Are you running the Austin Half?! If so, it's a great race, with tons of music, excellent volunteers, and good crowds. I'm sure you've done it before, but in case you haven't, get some practice runs going down Congress and back down 1st street. Congress is such a long, gradual climb to start the race that you really need to manage your HR early; and then you have to be careful to not go to fast back down 1st street with the long consistent decline. The turn to get from Congress to 1st street (can't remember the name) also has a couple quick ups and downs. Running this a few times prior to your race will at least get you mind and body ready for the unique start.

Yes. The Austin Half. I've never done anything more than the Cap 10K but it seems like every 5K in town involves the Congress/1st Street area. I'll try to hit it a few more times when I run at Town Lake. Thanks for the tip.

Another tip is to use the downtown Hilton for your bathroom needs pre-race. It's not too far from the starting line, but far enough to not be too crowded. If there is a line on the first floor, the second floor conference area bathrooms will be empty (they are a bit out of the way, but worth it). Also, at packet pick-up, at the conference center, park at the Austin Tri-Cyclist across the street. There is also a decent Italian restaurant (Vinny's = not great, but a good deal) right next to Tri-Cyclists (next place down on Barton Street), to grab some carbs after you've walked through the expedition hall. A final reminder, is that they sell last year's marathon technical gear (w/ the logo) on a clearance rack where the new stuff is being sold. Last year the gear was more than 50% off = worth looking for.

 

[bentley]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

 

[BassNBrew]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear is like Woz's hamline degree. Makes you look the part even if the motor is lacking.

 

[bentley]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear is like Woz's hamline degree. Makes you look the part even if the motor is lacking.

Gotcha. So it is possible do a half marathon by just running until I hit the finish line and avoiding the whole fanny pack thing, right?

 

[pigskinliquors]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear just means it's made for sweaty people (i.e., wicks water).

 

[pigskinliquors]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear is like Woz's hamline degree. Makes you look the part even if the motor is lacking.

Gotcha. So it is possible do a half marathon by just running until I hit the finish line and avoiding the whole fanny pack thing, right?

Sorry I missed this before I posted. No fanny pack needed at all. You'll most likely want to find a way to carry some nutrition (i.e., gu), but this can be accomplished with a safety pin or a pocket.

 

[bentley]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear just means it's made for sweaty people (i.e., wicks water).

Oh. I've got a pair of fancy socks and a bunch of dri-fit stuff that I use for running. Didn't know that it had a name.

 

[BassNBrew]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear is like Woz's hamline degree. Makes you look the part even if the motor is lacking.

Gotcha. So it is possible do a half marathon by just running until I hit the finish line and avoiding the whole fanny pack thing, right?

yeah, but you'll lose style minutes for not looking the part.by the way, has anyone seen my TT helmet?

 

[bentley]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear is like Woz's hamline degree. Makes you look the part even if the motor is lacking.

Gotcha. So it is possible do a half marathon by just running until I hit the finish line and avoiding the whole fanny pack thing, right?

Sorry I missed this before I posted. No fanny pack needed at all. You'll most likely want to find a way to carry some nutrition (i.e., gu), but this can be accomplished with a safety pin or a pocket.

Great line. Too bad only the health nerds will see it.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Thanks for the tip about the Hilton. I'm familiar with the hotel, but not sure I would have thought of it. I haven't been to Vinny's Italian in years. Maybe I'll try that. Most importantly, what in the hell is technical gear? At this point, my technical preparation involves running a long way, and making that long way a little longer every week.

Technical gear is like Woz's hamline degree. Makes you look the part even if the motor is lacking.

Gotcha. So it is possible do a half marathon by just running until I hit the finish line and avoiding the whole fanny pack thing, right?

Sorry I missed this before I posted. No fanny pack needed at all. You'll most likely want to find a way to carry some nutrition (i.e., gu), but this can be accomplished with a safety pin or a pocket.

Great line. Too bad only the health nerds will see it.

It's actually sig worthy. ___________________

My pitiful update. Today I was supposed to have 4, 1 mile intervals (.5 mile rests in between) @ 6:51 pace with a mile warm-up and cool-down. The weather was quite a bit cooler than its been (34 degrees!), but there was little wind. My first interval was right at 6:51, but my HR shot over 185 during it (= I knew I was in for a hard morning). The next two intervals were 6:53 and 6:55, with my HR reaching 192. My .5 mile rest after the 3rd interval was extremely slow (9:22), and the best I could manage for the fourth interval was 7:09. I then jogged a slow .5 miles, and walked in the last .5 miles (I HATE walking in), as I was spent. My HR after jogging the .5 miles was down to 152, which is good, but overall I'm really disappointed with my current fitness level (especially being 6 weeks away from a race). My old body just does not want to go "fast" (relatively speaking) for some reason

 

[tri-man 47]

Man, this thread gets buried when gruecd is away! Speaking of which:



And BnB, pretty cool about your multi-sport team with the bike shop. :semipro:

A great Saturday for me: In the pool at 6:40 a.m. for 80 minutes. I did two miles straight for the first time ever (70 laps at about 1:02/lap). Steady stroke count throughout; no calf or foot cramps. This afternoon I was on the bike trainer for 90 minutes while watching the SEC game.

 

[tri-man 47]

Gruecd: What pace/time are you shooting for? Sub-3 would be amazing and anything even remotely close still outstanding.

Worst-case scenario, I'll go 3:10 (7:15 pace) and qualify for Boston 2009 and 2010. Best-case scenario, I'll go sub-3. Realistically, probably somewhere in between.

3:20 ...on-pace at the 1/2-marathon point, but then something happened (things tighten up after his shoveling fall several days ago?). Still far awesomer than anything I could do!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Gruecd: What pace/time are you shooting for? Sub-3 would be amazing and anything even remotely close still outstanding.

Worst-case scenario, I'll go 3:10 (7:15 pace) and qualify for Boston 2009 and 2010. Best-case scenario, I'll go sub-3. Realistically, probably somewhere in between.

3:20 ...on-pace at the 1/2-marathon point, but then something happened (things tighten up after his shoveling fall several days ago?). Still far awesomer than anything I could do!

Far awesomer than I as well. 3:20 would qualify me for Boston!! It sucks not reaching a goal, but finishing at 3:20 is still an accomplishment. Gruecd; we're hoping all's well (except for maybe your ego), and look forward to your race report.

 

[pigskinliquors]

My Update:

I got my first of two 20 miler's in today. The weather was a bit warm (65 degrees), but the humidity was very low, and the winds were down. We had our annual Christmas party for our friends last evening, so I had a built in . Yet, for some reason, large quantities of cheese, red wine, and bacon-rolled pretzels worked as a great pre-run meal.

I ran the first mile at 8:42, and each subsequent mile at least as fast as the previous (or very close to it), with the last 5 miles being 8:28, 8:28, 8:27, 8:27, 8:22. My overall pace was 8:34, and my overall average HR was 167 (both better than anticipated). My HR during the last mile reached 176, but I never felt in any danger of it escalating, as it leveled off around 166 for most of the run, and then slowly rose over the last 8 miles (= very comforting). With the heat, a nasty cold, and not enough blood in my alcohol system, I was expecting today to be pretty miserable. Who knows why it ended well

 

[bentley]

Yesterday morning I was bored so I banged out a little 5K in 25 minutes (which made me happy) in anticipation of my long run today. Today, I had a series of unscheduled disasters followed by the Cowboys playing at 3:15 (and losing) so I got drunk instead. Tomorrow, I'm going 10 miles for the first time.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Yesterday morning I was bored so I banged out a little 5K in 25 minutes (which made me happy) in anticipation of my long run today. Today, I had a series of unscheduled disasters followed by the Cowboys playing at 3:15 (and losing) so I got drunk instead. Tomorrow, I'm going 10 miles for the first time.

I think you made the right choice! Edited to add: I love the new signature!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Gruecd

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[gruecd]

Gruecd: What pace/time are you shooting for? Sub-3 would be amazing and anything even remotely close still outstanding.

Worst-case scenario, I'll go 3:10 (7:15 pace) and qualify for Boston 2009 and 2010. Best-case scenario, I'll go sub-3. Realistically, probably somewhere in between.

3:20 ...on-pace at the 1/2-marathon point, but then something happened (things tighten up after his shoveling fall several days ago?). Still far awesomer than anything I could do!

Far awesomer than I as well. 3:20 would qualify me for Boston!! It sucks not reaching a goal, but finishing at 3:20 is still an accomplishment. Gruecd; we're hoping all's well (except for maybe your ego), and look forward to your race report.

Yeah, I'm OK (except for the bruised ego, like you said). I'll post a full race report later, but it was a combination of cold, wind, and hills that did me in. Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

 

[tri-man 47]

Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

Dude's a warrior.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

Dude's a warrior.

: Today's most awesome Update:

This morning my 7 year old had her first Time Trial!! We were running late for school, and Tuesday's we ride bikes together. Her school is just over a mile from our house, and right on my way to work. With as late as she was, Mrs. Liquors wanted me to drive her in. I told my daughter that the only way we could ride in was if we could break the all-time record getting to school. She said "no problem" and we hopped on our bikes and for the first time ever, I turned my Garmin on to see what we could do. The short ride has four turns, and two stop signs, with a little bit of traffic. She averaged 11.2 MPH, with a max of 17.1 MPH, and our new PR to her school is 5:31! We lost a little bit of time behind two boys riding their bikes, who she had difficulty getting around. I think we'll be able to go sub 5:00 by the end of this school year!!

Also, this week is the Anniversary of the day I got road bike (Heidi!). I've officially been a road biker for a full year, and attribute the time on her as helping me to stay mostly injury free.

 

[BassNBrew]

Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

Dude's a warrior.

: Today's most awesome Update:

This morning my 7 year old had her first Time Trial!! We were running late for school, and Tuesday's we ride bikes together. Her school is just over a mile from our house, and right on my way to work. With as late as she was, Mrs. Liquors wanted me to drive her in. I told my daughter that the only way we could ride in was if we could break the all-time record getting to school. She said "no problem" and we hopped on our bikes and for the first time ever, I turned my Garmin on to see what we could do. The short ride has four turns, and two stop signs, with a little bit of traffic. She averaged 11.2 MPH, with a max of 17.1 MPH, and our new PR to her school is 5:31! We lost a little bit of time behind two boys riding their bikes, who she had difficulty getting around. I think we'll be able to go sub 5:00 by the end of this school year!!

Also, this week is the Anniversary of the day I got road bike (Heidi!). I've officially been a road biker for a full year, and attribute the time on her as helping me to stay mostly injury free.

Cool update.I brought another bike...sort of. If anyone can host pics, let me know.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

:( Dude's a warrior.

: Today's most awesome Update:

This morning my 7 year old had her first Time Trial!! We were running late for school, and Tuesday's we ride bikes together. Her school is just over a mile from our house, and right on my way to work. With as late as she was, Mrs. Liquors wanted me to drive her in. I told my daughter that the only way we could ride in was if we could break the all-time record getting to school. She said "no problem" and we hopped on our bikes and for the first time ever, I turned my Garmin on to see what we could do. The short ride has four turns, and two stop signs, with a little bit of traffic. She averaged 11.2 MPH, with a max of 17.1 MPH, and our new PR to her school is 5:31! We lost a little bit of time behind two boys riding their bikes, who she had difficulty getting around. I think we'll be able to go sub 5:00 by the end of this school year!!

Also, this week is the Anniversary of the day I got road bike (Heidi!). I've officially been a road biker for a full year, and attribute the time on her as helping me to stay mostly injury free.

Cool update.I brought another bike...sort of. If anyone can host pics, let me know.

I can't host them, but would love to see them! I also sent you a PM regarding some tri-wheels (I'll respond to yours)

 

[BassNBrew]

It doesn't sound like gruecd is going to post the outcome we were cheering for. I had three acquaintances run the Kiwah marathon last weekend trying to qualify for Boston I believe and none had good luck. My friend was on pace for a low 3 hour time and blew up at mile 20. Ended up walking the last two miles and finishing near 4 hours. He's done half-ironmans this year and place in his age group. Sometimes the body just doesn't do what it's supposed to do.

 

[2Young2BBald]

And now for something completely different, Las Vegas ½ Marathon race report. WOW. To get a decent appreciation for the race look here : My wife and I are in the video (note the hotness of the Running Reverend), the pictures and I was quoted in the article (I swear I don’t seek reporters out, they find me).

The day started off early, as we had to meet in the Mandalay Bay Convention Center at 5am. There we got to mill around with the 47 couples getting married or renewing their vows and the 210 running Elvi, some who had been drinking all night. A crew of them had a tricked out jog stroller with a sound system playing The King’s music and a cooler full of beer.

At 5:15 we were escorted out to the front of the start and in to a corral just for the Elvi & wedding couples, with the couples getting to be right at the start. The elites where thenn escorted out next to us in their own, much larger corral. It was an awesome site to look back and see the 20,000 runners behind us.

The gun went off at 6am after race introductions by Robin Leach and an awesome National Anthem. We started at the far end of Mandalay Bay and as we did, fireworks began to go off behind The Trop and went off well after we were Past New York, New York. It was amazing to watch as runners streamed past us. We took our time as we had to wait for all the couples to arrive once we got to the 5.5-mile wedding chapel.

Even running slow, we got to the chapel way too quick as we had to wait for almost 25 minutes for the last couples to arrive. It was cool though as 50 or so of the running Elvi stopped too for the ceremony and we were able to watch thousands of runners run by. Once everybody arrived, the ceremony was shockingly well done and classy (as classy as a wedding with 47 running couples and a bunch of Elvis impersonators can be).

Getting started after was tough as it was only about 50 degrees and we’d stiffened up a bit while waiting. After running the strip, the rest of the course we kind of boring until the finish where there were thousands of fans to cheer us in the last ½ mile or so. Right before the finish there were about 2 dozen drummers from stomp pounding out a beat.

After, they had the typical photo ops in front of a finisher mat, with a twist. Each had a Vegas showgirl to pose with and one had a showgirl and an Elvis impersonator. There were tons of other crazy sights. We saw one woman do the whole ½ as a showgirl in stiletto platform shoes. We also saw one of the Elvi run the ½ in bare feet.

This has to be on everyone’s must do list in my opinion, but not to be taken seriously. We bumped in to a couple of purist who said they never do it again because of all the stuff going on other than the race. Our chip time was 2:51, but was obviously much less without the marriage stop. Garmin time had us around 2:18, but we stopped and ran slow to take in the sights quite a bit. We decided we’d come back again for our 25th anniversary and this time run it with the kids (its good to have goals).

 

[2Young2BBald]

Today's most awesome Update:This morning my 7 year old had her first Time Trial!! We were running late for school, and Tuesday's we ride bikes together. Her school is just over a mile from our house, and right on my way to work. With as late as she was, Mrs. Liquors wanted me to drive her in. I told my daughter that the only way we could ride in was if we could break the all-time record getting to school. She said "no problem" and we hopped on our bikes and for the first time ever, I turned my Garmin on to see what we could do. The short ride has four turns, and two stop signs, with a little bit of traffic. She averaged 11.2 MPH, with a max of 17.1 MPH, and our new PR to her school is 5:31! We lost a little bit of time behind two boys riding their bikes, who she had difficulty getting around. I think we'll be able to go sub 5:00 by the end of this school year!!

Awesome example you are setting for your daughter! Do they have kids tris down there? If so, it sounds like she well in to training.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

Dude's a warrior.

Agreed! gruecd, sorry it didn't go according to plan!! No doubt here you'll get there when you find a race in January. Conditions in Detroit we okay last night, but looked like ### back where you were going. Did travel home go OK and did you get to experience the bliss of Detroit Coney?

 

[northern exposure]

And now for something complete different, Las Vegas ½ Marathon race report. WOW. To get a decent appreciation for the look here : My wife and I are in the video (note the hotness of the Running Reverend), the pictures and I was quoted in the article (I swear I don’t seek reporters out, they find me).

The day started off early, as we had to meet in the Mandalay Bay Convention Center at 5am. There we got to mill around with the 47 couples getting married or renewing their vows and the 210 running Elvi, some who had been drinking all night. A crew of them had a tricked out jog stroller with a sound system playing The King’s music and a cooler full of beer.

At 5:15 we were escorted out to the front of the start and in to a coral just for the Elvi & wedding couples, with the couples getting to be right at the start. The elites when escorted out next to us in their own, much larger coral. It was an awesome site to look back and see the 20,000 runners behind us.

The gun went off at 6am after race introductions by Robin Leach and an awesome National Anthem. We started at the far end of Mandalay Bay and as we did, fireworks began to go off behind The Trop and went off well after we were Past New York, New York. It was amazing to watch as runners streamed past us. We took our time as we had to wait for all the couples to arrive once we got to the 5.5-mile wedding chapel.

Even running slow, we got to the chapel way too quick as we had to wait for almost 25 minutes for the last couples to arrive. It was cool though as 50 or so of the running Elvi stopped too for the ceremony and we were able to watch thousands of runners run by. Once everybody arrived, the ceremony was shockingly well done and classy (as classy as a wedding with 47 running couples and a bunch of Elvis impersonators can be).

Getting started after was tough as it was only about 50 degrees and we’d stiffened up a bit while waiting. After running the strip, the rest of the course we kind of boring until the finish where there were thousands of fans to cheer us in the last ½ mile or so. Right before the finish there were about 2 dozen drummers from stomp pounding out a beat.

After, they had the typical photo ops in front of a finisher mat, with a twist. Each had a Vegas showgirl to pose with and one had a showgirl and an Elvis impersonator. There were tons of other crazy sights. We saw one woman do the whole ½ as a showgirl in stiletto platform shoes. We also saw one of the Elvi run the ½ in bare feet.

This has to be on everyone’s must do list in my opinion, but not to be taken seriously. We bumped in to a couple of purist who said they never do it again because of all the stuff going on other than the race. Our chip time was 2:51, but was obviously much less without the marriage stop. Garmin time had us around 2:18, but we stopped and ran slow to take in the sights quite a bit. We decided we’d come back again for our 25th anniversary and this time run it with the kids (its good to have goals).

Wow what a difference in the course and atmosphere for the Las Vegas Marathon. When I ran the Vegas Marathon it took place in February. We caught yellow school buses at the MGM Grand and rode them out in the dark to a place called Jean, Nevada. There was only a casino/hotel and a gas station at Jean. So, we all sat in the school buses in the pitch dark waiting for the start of the marathon. I managed to tighten up pretty good before the run. Then we ran from Jean towards the Vegas strip. There were no people cheering us on because all that was around us was desert. The only spectators were at the half marathon point and we didn't even run on the strip because we turned right before it and headed to a park for the finish.The only interesting thing that happened was Matt Damon showed up at the finish to visit with a friend of his that ran and all the women went crazy.

It sounds like Vegas in December might be worth checking out in 2009!

 

[pigskinliquors]

AWESOME race report 2Young! I'll watch the video tomorrow, but you've already given a great visual of it. I'd love to do this with Mrs. Liquor, and will try to get it on her radar. What a great day for you and Mrs. 2Young! Congratulations!!!

Do they have kids tris down there? If so, it sounds like she well in to training.

Both our 7 and 3 year old have done a couple tri's, with the 7 year old doing really well on a very short course, and already starting to work on her swimming. The 3 year old's were hilarious, as she was on a trike and had to run no more than 50 feet.

 

[gruecd]

Gruecd: I'm running Houston (1/18/09).

I'm going to send you a PM, too, but I don't suppose you have any connections that could get me into Houston despite the fact that it's been closed since July, do you? :fingerscrossed:

 

[gruecd]

Did travel home go OK and did you get to experience the bliss of Detroit Coney?

Travel did go OK, but I missed out on the Coney! I got off the flight from Memphis around 4:40, and I knew there was an earlier flight scheduled to leave Detroit for Appleton at 5:00, so I literally ran (as best I could two days post-marathon) all the way from gate A2 to gate C35. I got there just as they were finishing boarding and managed to get onto the flight, which was good because I was worried about weather delays with the later one. Of course my bag didn't make it, so I went and picked it up yesterday at the airport, which fortunately is only 5-10 minutes from my office.And BTW, nice job at Vegas. Sounds like you had a good time.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Gruecd: I'm running Houston (1/18/09).

I'm going to send you a PM, too, but I don't suppose you have any connections that could get me into Houston despite the fact that it's been closed since July, do you? :fingerscrossed:

PM returned. I'd love to run the first 100 yards (or even feet) with you prior to you kicking Houston's ###! Craigslist has a ton of entry's for sale, but it looks like the transfer date might be passed

 

[pigskinliquors]

We had SNOW in College Station last night!! Only the second time that snow has actually accumulated in our almost 10 years down here. Because of it, I skipped my scheduled slow 3 miler this morning (first run after the 20 miler), so that I could have a very rare snowball fight at 6:30 am with my girls and some neighbor kids. I only run 3x per week and am wondering how important these little runs actually are. I'll most likely either get it in tonight or tomorrow morning, but I'm curious as to the value that these wimpy, slow, recovery runs have. For cycling I understand spinning for recovery, but I'm not sure if missing a few these can really impact training.

What say ye' of the 10k thread?

Edited to Add: For the Love of Pete, it's snowing again right now. This mayhem and madness must stop. How does this possibly happen when the globe is supposed to be warming?!

 

[SFBayDuck]

gruecd, Boston is still scared of you. You'll be back.

For you tri guys, a buddy of mine competed in the Ironman Championship in Clearwater last month. It's a long read, but his blog entries (yes, he breaks it down into 3 long parts) are pretty funny: http://tri-robstri-blog.blogspot.com/. Unbelievable what he went through before and during the event.

As for me, I registered for the Angel Island 16K on 1/11, a repeat of my first (and only) official trail race from last year. I ran 10 miles with about 7 of it on trail on Sunday, and 5 miles yesterday. Biggest challenge will be trying to drop some of the 8-9 lbs I've gained since my 1/2 in August, most of which has come during the holidays! The elevation gain on this course is not very conducive to lugging the extra LBs around, particularly the 2nd loop - 5 miles that begins with a set of stairs and keeps going up to nearly 800 ft. With a month to go, will knock out a couple more 10-11 mile runs, and will keep it on trails and try and work in some extra hill work late in the runs. I also finally need to get some trail running shoes. With winter moisture here, I'm just not getting enough traction with my regular shoes, which effects me most on the downhills as I just don't trust my footing. And I love me some downhills, so I need to head out this weekend and get something with some serious tread.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Wow what a difference in the course and atmosphere for the Las Vegas Marathon. When I ran the Vegas Marathon it took place in February. We caught yellow school buses at the MGM Grand and rode them out in the dark to a place called Jean, Nevada. There was only a casino/hotel and a gas station at Jean. So, we all sat in the school buses in the pitch dark waiting for the start of the marathon. I managed to tighten up pretty good before the run. Then we ran from Jean towards the Vegas strip. There were no people cheering us on because all that was around us was desert. The only spectators were at the half marathon point and we didn't even run on the strip because we turned right before it and headed to a park for the finish.

The only interesting thing that happened was Matt Damon showed up at the finish to visit with a friend of his that ran and all the women went crazy.

It sounds like Vegas in December might be worth checking out in 2009!

Ah, this must be why they now call it The NEW Las Vegas Marathon. Something I forgot to add, I was really impressed with the post race set up of food and such. The first two years of the new format they got crushed by bad feedback. This year there were pallets of oranges, ton of bananas, box upon box of cookies and lots of water (in bottles, which I like) and Gatorade Endurance. I wish I could back there every year to do this again and again. If my buddy and I hadn't work the trip by winning The Motor City Scramble, we would not have been there at all.The photos are in and I am Still Short and Showgirls are Still Tall

 

[pigskinliquors]

The photos are in and I am Still Short and Showgirls are Still Tall

Thanks a ton for sharing. The Mrs. couldn't be cuter. Great, great pic's, though the showgirl might be a man

 

[pigskinliquors]

gruecd, Boston is still scared of you. You'll be back.

For you tri guys, a buddy of mine competed in the Ironman Championship in Clearwater last month. It's a long read, but his blog entries (yes, he breaks it down into 3 long parts) are pretty funny: http://tri-robstri-blog.blogspot.com/. Unbelievable what he went through before and during the event.

As for me, I registered for the Angel Island 16K on 1/11, a repeat of my first (and only) official trail race from last year. I ran 10 miles with about 7 of it on trail on Sunday, and 5 miles yesterday. Biggest challenge will be trying to drop some of the 8-9 lbs I've gained since my 1/2 in August, most of which has come during the holidays! The elevation gain on this course is not very conducive to lugging the extra LBs around, particularly the 2nd loop - 5 miles that begins with a set of stairs and keeps going up to nearly 800 ft. With a month to go, will knock out a couple more 10-11 mile runs, and will keep it on trails and try and work in some extra hill work late in the runs. I also finally need to get some trail running shoes. With winter moisture here, I'm just not getting enough traction with my regular shoes, which effects me most on the downhills as I just don't trust my footing. And I love me some downhills, so I need to head out this weekend and get something with some serious tread.

Duck: thanks for sharing the tri-blog. Amazing to PR, with a messed-up shoulder, a bike crash, and cramping! I'm also very jealous of your trail running. I'm hoping that once I'm through with this year's marathon, I can look forward to another running-career of long distance trail running instead.

 

[pigskinliquors]

FYI: I just received this from SteveUK, in response to me inquiring if Darrin was ok:

Hi JimYes, Darrin is fine - he has been busy in other things of late. His running hasn't been going too well (and the same can be said for my running too, unfortunately!) and that's probably why he hasn't been around.I'll let him know you were asking about him though smile.gifSteve

 

[gruecd]

Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

Dude's a warrior.

OK, I'm now giving some serious consideration to running the P.F. Chang's Rock 'n' Roll Arizona Marathon on January 18. It's supposed to be flat and fast, and I think I can get a relatively cheap plane ticket out of Milwaukee. I should decide for sure in the next couple of days. There are about five weeks between now and the race, so I could go relatively light this week and next, do a couple weeks of harder training, and then do a two-week taper. Thoughts????

 

[pigskinliquors]

Actually contemplating finding another race in January to take another shot at it. Stay tuned....

Dude's a warrior.

OK, I'm now giving some serious consideration to running the P.F. Chang's Rock 'n' Roll Arizona Marathon on January 18. It's supposed to be flat and fast, and I think I can get a relatively cheap plane ticket out of Milwaukee. I should decide for sure in the next couple of days. There are about five weeks between now and the race, so I could go relatively light this week and next, do a couple weeks of harder training, and then do a two-week taper. Thoughts????

DO IT!!! With an hour time difference between AZ and Texas (Houston is the same day), I have a great chance of beating you finished

 

[gruecd]

Might actually do New Orleans on February 1st instead. It would give me a couple extra weeks to recover, and my friend from Memphis is interested in doing the half. It's also supposed to be flat and fast, and I could just fly to Memphis, and we could drive the six hours to NOLA. It's a little less expensive than RNR Arizona, too.....

 

[pigskinliquors]

Might actually do New Orleans on February 1st instead. It would give me a couple extra weeks to recover, and my friend from Memphis is interested in doing the half. It's also supposed to be flat and fast, and I could just fly to Memphis, and we could drive the six hours to NOLA. It's a little less expensive than RNR Arizona, too.....

In that case, I KNOW I can beat you to the finish line

 

[pigskinliquors]

My Update:

I'm still slow as molasses. My speed work today was supposed to be 7 miles, with 5 "speed" miles at 7:24 in between a warm-up and cool-down mile. My miles went:

Mile 1: 8:51 = @ 32 degrees outside, I needed the warm-up

Mile 2: 7:25 = right where I wanted it, but I had trouble breathing (could have been the cold weather)

Mile 3: 7:24 = still right on pace, but I was working way to hard

Mile 4: 7:27 = no street lights in this stretch, I was just guessing my pace = not too bad

Mile 5: 7:22 = this mile destroyed me, no HR monitor, but it had to be maxed out

Mile 6: 8:32 = I was on pace for the first quarter mile, but had nothing left in the tank

Mile 7: 8:45 = this was the hardest mile I've run in a long time; it hurt

In summary, I was able to stay on pace for 4.25 of the 5 speed miles, but I'm still really struggling with my speed work. I didn't have any food in me; I have a cold; I'm carrying an extra 4-5 lbs; this is the first running race I've trained for in 11 months; the weather was colder than I'm used to; and I'm old (best excuses I can come up with)

One positive thing to add: OxySox Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!! My calves have not felt this good while training for a race in at least 5 years.

 

[tri-man 47]

Darn you, liquors, for taking post #9000! Thanks a lot for getting an update on Darrin and Steve, though. I've wondered about them, too. As to your short runs ...I think you could pass on some of them IF you're substituting something else (make that day your lunge day???). I'm only running once or twice a week right now due to the weather and ice (5 miles this morning in the 15 degree, windy weather, but most of it was stair work at a nearby parking garage).

Gruecd, your quick turnaround with Arizona - and possibly even pushing for New Orleans in February - could be risky. You'll only have about a month of true training for NO. Is that enough to sharpen your running for a successful race? Maybe give the training a shot and decide in early/mid January. But be smart about it.

2Young, congrats to you and your bride on Vegas!

 

[2Young2BBald]

My Update:

I'm still slow as molasses. My speed work today was supposed to be 7 miles, with 5 "speed" miles at 7:24 in between a warm-up and cool-down mile. My miles went:

Mile 1: 8:51 = @ 32 degrees outside, I needed the warm-up

Mile 2: 7:25 = right where I wanted it, but I had trouble breathing (could have been the cold weather)

Mile 3: 7:24 = still right on pace, but I was working way to hard

Mile 4: 7:27 = no street lights in this stretch, I was just guessing my pace = not too bad

Mile 5: 7:22 = this mile destroyed me, no HR monitor, but it had to be maxed out

Mile 6: 8:32 = I was on pace for the first quarter mile, but had nothing left in the tank

Mile 7: 8:45 = this was the hardest mile I've run in a long time; it hurt

In summary, I was able to stay on pace for 4.25 of the 5 speed miles, but I'm still really struggling with my speed work. I didn't have any food in me; I have a cold; I'm carrying an extra 4-5 lbs; this is the first running race I've trained for in 11 months; the weather was colder than I'm used to; and I'm old (best excuses I can come up with)

One positive thing to add: OxySox Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!! My calves have not felt this good while training for a race in at least 5 years.

Glad to hear it, on the OxySox! Its interesting to me, that my calves feel good when not wearing them too, if that makes sense. I still don't know if I could wear them with shorts quite yet though.As for I am resigned that being old is excuse enough, no need for the laundry list!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Glad to hear it, on the OxySox! Its interesting to me, that my calves feel good when not wearing them too, if that makes sense. I still don't know if I could wear them with shorts quite yet though.

As for I am resigned that being old is excuse enough, no need for the laundry list!

The way my calves have been feeling, I'll wear nothing except three of them and a pair of Asics if I have to. My wife gave me "the look" when I walked out of the house with them while wearing shorts last week (it was 75 freaking degrees!). I'm hoping Santa brings me another pair or two! Regarding the multiple excuses, the more I wrote the better I started to feel.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Glad to hear it, on the OxySox! Its interesting to me, that my calves feel good when not wearing them too, if that makes sense. I still don't know if I could wear them with shorts quite yet though.

As for I am resigned that being old is excuse enough, no need for the laundry list!

The way my calves have been feeling, I'll wear nothing except three of them and a pair of Asics if I have to. My wife gave me "the look" when I walked out of the house with them while wearing shorts last week (it was 75 freaking degrees!). I'm hoping Santa brings me another pair or two! Regarding the multiple excuses, the more I wrote the better I started to feel.

Have You Looked at eBay? You can get 6 pair for just over what it'd cost you in your local running store (I almost always buy my stuff local and did get my 1st pair there).

 

[pigskinliquors]

Have You Looked at eBay? You can get 6 pair for just over what it'd cost you in your local running store (I almost always buy my stuff local and did get my 1st pair there).

Looks like a great deal. Mine are Twin City OxySox, instead of Merrell. Do you know if there's much of a difference?