Ran a 10k in June (6 Viewers)

[pigskinliquors]

Tri-Man: Now that you are at the "magic" age; which marathon are you thinking about trying to use to BQ? I'm giddy just thinking about it!

So wait, how many of us are going for BQs for Boston 2010? How many of you have run it before? It'd be cool to get 3-4 of us qualified and have a Boston FBG party...or are you guys shooting for 2009 still?

I'm shooting for 2011. I'm hoping to run a sub-3:30 again this year (it's been 5 years), and to be able to maintain that level for 2 more years (when I turn 44). I'd have to skip the last 1.2 miles to have a legitimate shot this year, or next. Tri-man could qualify at 3:30 with his fitness level (he now needs 3:40). He's just had some bad luck come race day = he should try to qualify this year (for 2010) if he has a chance. Gruecd is also trying to qualify for 2009 and has a great chance to do so in two weeks in AZ. I believe he'd qualify for 2009 and 2010 if he makes it (3:10 for him).

 

[Harris]

No worries, we'll all just have to try again for 2011 then! I'm hoping to push it under 3:10 sometime late fall of 2009 to get in the 2010 race, but 2011 might be more realistic for myself anyways. I'm definitely excited for the upcoming season though. I've got about 6 more weeks of strength training to get my knee strong again before my first runs and I already can't wait. I've had new shoes sitting in a box under my bed since about Sept./Oct.

 

[pigskinliquors]

No worries, we'll all just have to try again for 2011 then! I'm hoping to push it under 3:10 sometime late fall of 2009 to get in the 2010 race, but 2011 might be more realistic for myself anyways. I'm definitely excited for the upcoming season though. I've got about 6 more weeks of strength training to get my knee strong again before my first runs and I already can't wait. I've had new shoes sitting in a box under my bed since about Sept./Oct.

What has been your knee problem (i.e., cartilage, MCL, etc.)?

 

[gruecd]

Tri-Man: Now that you are at the "magic" age; which marathon are you thinking about trying to use to BQ? I'm giddy just thinking about it!

So wait, how many of us are going for BQs for Boston 2010? How many of you have run it before? It'd be cool to get 3-4 of us qualified and have a Boston FBG party...or are you guys shooting for 2009 still?

Well, Harris, by your presence along, you've managed to do something that I've been trying to do for a long time--reinvigorate this thread. Nice job!Like pigskin said, I'm aiming to run 3:10 in a couple of weeks at Rock 'n' Roll Arizona. This will be my seventh marathon, and my PR is 3:10:00 at Green Bay in 2007. I ran my first Boston this past April, and while I was disappointed with my time, the experience was amazing. Pigskin is right in that a 3:10 at RNR AZ will qualify me for both 2009 and 2010, and there's a very realistic possibility that I'd do both. Actually, I don't even like to think about this, but on the off chance that I don't qualify at RNR AZ, I might actually work my contacts at John Hancock to see if I could get a sponsor's exemption to run anyway.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Quick Question: Do you think I'd be better off running 7 tonight, then 7 tomorrow morning; or skipping a run tonight and doing 10 tomorrow morning? My race is 12 days away, and I'm trying to maintain my fitness level, while also gaining the benefits of rested legs? Keep in mind that I skipped my scheduled 12 miler on Sunday, and would have done just a 3 miler tomorrow.

= one ten miler or 2 seven milers? All runs would be at :30 slower than marathon pace, with one mile at marathon pace (8:00) thrown in near the end of each run.

 

[gruecd]

Quick Question: Do you think I'd be better off running 7 tonight, then 7 tomorrow morning; or skipping a run tonight and doing 10 tomorrow morning? My race is 12 days away, and I'm trying to maintain my fitness level, while also gaining the benefits of rested legs? Keep in mind that I skipped my scheduled 12 miler on Sunday, and would have done just a 3 miler tomorrow.

= one ten miler or 2 seven milers? All runs would be at :30 slower than marathon pace, with one mile at marathon pace (8:00) thrown in near the end of each run.

If I were you, I'd do 5 miles tonight with 2-3 miles at MP in the middle, and then I'd run for an hour or so at an easy pace tomorrow morning.

 

[tri-man 47]

Tri-Man: Now that you are at the "magic" age; which marathon are you thinking about trying to use to BQ? I'm giddy just thinking about it!

So wait, how many of us are going for BQs for Boston 2010? How many of you have run it before? It'd be cool to get 3-4 of us qualified and have a Boston FBG party...or are you guys shooting for 2009 still?

I'm shooting for 2011. I'm hoping to run a sub-3:30 again this year (it's been 5 years), and to be able to maintain that level for 2 more years (when I turn 44). I'd have to skip the last 1.2 miles to have a legitimate shot this year, or next. Tri-man could qualify at 3:30 with his fitness level (he now needs 3:40). He's just had some bad luck come race day = he should try to qualify this year (for 2010) if he has a chance. Gruecd is also trying to qualify for 2009 and has a great chance to do so in two weeks in AZ. I believe he'd qualify for 2009 and 2010 if he makes it (3:10 for him).

To qualify for 2010, I'd need to go sub-3:36. (My first marathon two years ago was 3:46, slowed by a lack of hill training for the Madison, WI course.) To qualify for 2011, which I could target as of this coming fall (eighteen month window), I'd only need a 3:46 since I'll be an old man of 55 by the 2011 Boston race. That'd be way-too-cool to hook up with some of this crowd for Boston. Gruecd, Harris, and Peter Griffin could finish first and go find some beers for when liquors and I finish, then we could have another round when RoarinS, Rock Lonemilk ( and Floppo? Other potential marathoners I'm missing?) stroll in.

 

[2Young2BBald]

For those doing multi-sport, I spent some time this morning building a spreadsheet in Excel that will track and total miles swam, biked & ran that I can share if desired. PM me an email address if interested. Its a 2-pager that tracks up to 252 workout days and will track swim/bike/run for any given day. The swim entry is built to track yards swam for any given day as the pools I swim are yard layouts. On the YTD tally, it then converts the yards in to miles, so the miles can be added to the miles biked & ran. I'll have to convert meters swam for tri events in to yards. If you swim a meter pool, I can change the formula to convert meters in to miles on the recap, just let me know.

PM Sent

Its on the way, let me know what you think!

 

[2Young2BBald]

Here is something new, I frigging chaffed my armpits swimming 2,000 yards last night Seriously, who chaffes their pits?

Got some questions for this weekend. PSL, based on what you stated, I am really thinking about rocking the OxySocks with shorts. I have seen folks do this, but still feel like I am going to look like a dork (which I suppose is lessened a bit with me joining the over 40 crowd). So, were you serious about going with this look too? Next question, with my seeding time for Saturday, I go off at 5:50 AM and we are supposed to be in the lot and parked by 4 AM. I'll typically get up around 4:30 AM for a 7 AM start, but have no idea how to attack such early times. We are only 3 miles from Epcot where the start is, so there wont be a long drive. I doubt, even if I tried that I could go to sleep before 11 PM the night before. So, do I try to go to bed at 9ish or so, or just go to bed at a normal time like 11 and just go with a few hours sleep? I figure I'll get up about quater to three so I can take in some coffee to get the system rolling and take a shower (both keys to my pregame ritual). I sleep like crap beofre races anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. With me screwing up my back, my only real goal is to go sub 2 hours, I don't see PRing below 1:49.

 

[prosopis]

I did day 1/week 1 of the cp25k program. It was harder then I thought but I made it. I was cheating towards the end. I was walking longer then 90 seconds and running less then 60 seconds. This was in the very end. I can feel it in my calfs. I was also huffing and puffing quite a bit.I did not worry about timeing my miles as i was following this program. I think after I get further into it I will just do a two mile thing and see how much time I have shaved off. I would like to run a 5k in the spring. I should be done with the cp25k program in March.

* I feel like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I did day 1/week 1 of the cp25k program. It was harder then I thought but I made it. I was cheating towards the end. I was walking longer then 90 seconds and running less then 60 seconds. This was in the very end. I can feel it in my calfs. I was also huffing and puffing quite a bit.I did not worry about timeing my miles as i was following this program. I think after I get further into it I will just do a two mile thing and see how much time I have shaved off. I would like to run a 5k in the spring. I should be done with the cp25k program in March.* I feel like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty.

Two things: Sign up for the race now & quit cheating. Targeting a race (and paying for it) will keep you motivated. As for the cheating, I am sure the plan is built to stretch you a bit in the beginning, if you cheat, you wont get the benefit. I don't stretch a ton, but I do focus on my calves as I've torn one before. One I run about a 1/4 to a 1/3 of a mile for warm up, I find a curb and drop one at a time down just enough to stretch it for about 30 seconds each and do it twice. You'll need to find a stretching program that works for you.

 

[gruecd]

Two things: Sign up for the race now & quit cheating.

Tough love, but I agree.

 

[Harris]

No worries, we'll all just have to try again for 2011 then! I'm hoping to push it under 3:10 sometime late fall of 2009 to get in the 2010 race, but 2011 might be more realistic for myself anyways. I'm definitely excited for the upcoming season though. I've got about 6 more weeks of strength training to get my knee strong again before my first runs and I already can't wait. I've had new shoes sitting in a box under my bed since about Sept./Oct.

What has been your knee problem (i.e., cartilage, MCL, etc.)?

Tendon problem actually. Don't know how it started but whenever there was contraction of the hamstring and flexion past 110-120 degrees my biceps femoris tendon would slide over my fibular head in my lower leg and produce a snapping that was increasingly more painful with the amount of force applied to the contraction of my hamstring. (Right knee only)I went to the sports medicine clinic here at the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics and it was determined that I had a combination of 1) a very prominent fibular head and 2) a couple of the places where my tendon was supposed to attach had been torn (they discovered this after surgery). The doctors were at first very puzzled and a couple of them hadn't seen this before.I had surgery on the 10th of October and my tendon was repaired along with the reduction in prominence of my fibuar head.It's apparently a pretty uncommon thing but the tops of my lower leg bones are unusually large and stick out for some reason. So my right knee is fixed. Hopefully it doesn't develop in my left knee.

 

[gruecd]

Busy day today, so I didn't get to the gym until 8:45 tonight. Started with a 10-minute warmup at 8:00 pace, then 4 x 3 minutes @ 6:40 pace w/3-minute recovery at 8:00 pace, then finished with 14 minutes at 7:30 pace. Total six miles in 45 minutes, 7:30 average pace. Felt really good. Probably my last harder workout before the marathon.

 

[bentley]

Busy day today, so I didn't get to the gym until 8:45 tonight. Started with a 10-minute warmup at 8:00 pace, then 4 x 3 minutes @ 6:40 pace w/3-minute recovery at 8:00 pace, then finished with 14 minutes at 7:30 pace. Total six miles in 45 minutes, 7:30 average pace. Felt really good. Probably my last harder workout before the marathon.

What is 4 x 3 minutes @ 6:40 pace w/ 3 minute recovery at 8:00 pace? My guess is that it's 3 minutes at 6:40, 3 minutes at 8:00, etc. etc. etc. Do you do that on the treadmill? I've been thinking about doing interval work on the treadmill (since it's much easier to get to than a track) but wondered about the feasibility.

 

[BassNBrew]

Glad the treadmill discussion came up....

1. Did 3.2 mile in 30 min tonite. Now I realize I'm out of running shape, but I think 28 min would have been obtainable outside. How do your treadmill paces compare to your outside paces?

2. How do you maintain your running form on the treadmill. I've been working on a front to mid-foot strike and high cadence outside. On the treadmill I couldn't duplicate this and noticed my feet were hitting towards the heel almost underneath me and then rolling back with the belt.

 

[bentley]

Glad the treadmill discussion came up....1. Did 3.2 mile in 30 min tonite. Now I realize I'm out of running shape, but I think 28 min would have been obtainable outside. How do your treadmill paces compare to your outside paces?2. How do you maintain your running form on the treadmill. I've been working on a front to mid-foot strike and high cadence outside. On the treadmill I couldn't duplicate this and noticed my feet were hitting towards the heel almost underneath me and then rolling back with the belt.

1. I usually run a bit faster outside. Around 10 seconds a mile on a run of five miles or more. Obviously more on race day.2. Holy ####. What language are you speaking? I usually pick my right leg up and move it forward and then do the same with the left one whether I'm outside or on the treadmill. Going backward doesn't make much progress and if I move them both at the same time, it's called "jumping" and not running.

 

[gruecd]

What is 4 x 3 minutes @ 6:40 pace w/ 3 minute recovery at 8:00 pace? My guess is that it's 3 minutes at 6:40, 3 minutes at 8:00, etc. etc. etc.

Do you do that on the treadmill? I've been thinking about doing interval work on the treadmill (since it's much easier to get to than a track) but wondered about the feasibility.

Exactly. It's 3 minutes at 6:40, 3 minutes at 8:00, 3 minutes at 6:40, 3 minutes at 8:00, etc. During the winter, I tend to do more of it on the treadmill because footing is an issue outside. During the summer, however, I'll just use my Garmin and do it outside. I do know a lot of people who find it much easier to do their speedwork on the treadmill.

Glad the treadmill discussion came up....

1. Did 3.2 mile in 30 min tonite. Now I realize I'm out of running shape, but I think 28 min would have been obtainable outside. How do your treadmill paces compare to your outside paces?

2. How do you maintain your running form on the treadmill. I've been working on a front to mid-foot strike and high cadence outside. On the treadmill I couldn't duplicate this and noticed my feet were hitting towards the heel almost underneath me and then rolling back with the belt.

1. I always run with the treadmill at a 1% incline. Helps to compensate for the lack of wind resistance that you have outside. As long as I do this, I find that my paces are comparable. Otherwise, yes, it's definitely easier to run on the treadmill.2. I don't. And that's why I tend to get injured if I do too many miles on the treadmill. It forces me to alter (shorten, I think) my stride, and as a result, I tend to have issues with my anterior tibialis and piriformis muscles. Overuse and inflammation of the anterior tib can lead to shin splints, so I try to limit my treadmill mileage as much as possible. But with the winter weather here in Wisconsin the past couple of years, it's been a necessary evil.

2. Holy ####. What language are you speaking?

 

[BassNBrew]

Glad the treadmill discussion came up....1. Did 3.2 mile in 30 min tonite. Now I realize I'm out of running shape, but I think 28 min would have been obtainable outside. How do your treadmill paces compare to your outside paces?2. How do you maintain your running form on the treadmill. I've been working on a front to mid-foot strike and high cadence outside. On the treadmill I couldn't duplicate this and noticed my feet were hitting towards the heel almost underneath me and then rolling back with the belt.

1. I usually run a bit faster outside. Around 10 seconds a mile on a run of five miles or more. Obviously more on race day.2. Holy ####. What language are you speaking? I usually pick my right leg up and move it forward and then do the same with the left one whether I'm outside or on the treadmill. Going backward doesn't make much progress and if I move them both at the same time, it's called "jumping" and not running.

You inadventantly hit the nail on the head. I could jump up and down on the tread mill and still move forward according to the metrics. When you run outside your foot stops and you push off to accelerate. On the tread mill as your pushing the ground is retreating. My understanding is that outside you are leaning forward and the ground is providing friction to counter this force. On the tread mill that counter is reduced as the ground is moving in the opposite direction. Bottom line, if you video taped yourself on the treadmill I doubt it would resemble the same stride as running on the pavement. My theory is that the further forward you usually land on you foot would even further exaggerate the difference.

 

[prosopis]

I did day 1/week 1 of the cp25k program. It was harder then I thought but I made it. I was cheating towards the end. I was walking longer then 90 seconds and running less then 60 seconds. This was in the very end. I can feel it in my calfs. I was also huffing and puffing quite a bit.I did not worry about timeing my miles as i was following this program. I think after I get further into it I will just do a two mile thing and see how much time I have shaved off. I would like to run a 5k in the spring. I should be done with the cp25k program in March.* I feel like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty.

Two things: Sign up for the race now & quit cheating. Targeting a race (and paying for it) will keep you motivated. As for the cheating, I am sure the plan is built to stretch you a bit in the beginning, if you cheat, you wont get the benefit. I don't stretch a ton, but I do focus on my calves as I've torn one before. One I run about a 1/4 to a 1/3 of a mile for warm up, I find a curb and drop one at a time down just enough to stretch it for about 30 seconds each and do it twice. You'll need to find a stretching program that works for you.

Thanks. I will start looking for a race now.

 

[pigskinliquors]

That'd be way-too-cool to hook up with some of this crowd for Boston. Gruecd, Harris, and Peter Griffin could finish first and go find some beers for when liquors and I finish, then we could have another round when RoarinS, Rock Lonemilk ( and Floppo? Other potential marathoners I'm missing?) stroll in.

In (if I can find a way to get my body in shape enough to qualify)!!!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Its on the way, let me know what you think!

Triple Sweet!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Here is something new, I frigging chaffed my armpits swimming 2,000 yards last night Seriously, who chaffes their pits?

I'm laughing, as I can barely walk right now, because the extra poundage I've put on must have increased the circumference of my thighs. I have major thigh chaffage after this mornings run

Got some questions for this weekend. PSL, based on what you stated, I am really thinking about rocking the OxySocks with shorts. I have seen folks do this, but still feel like I am going to look like a dork (which I suppose is lessened a bit with me joining the over 40 crowd). So, were you serious about going with this look too?

If it is warm for my race, I will most likely go with this look as well. Yes, I'll look like a dork, but I'll be a dork with more confidence in not getting injured.

Next question, with my seeding time for Saturday, I go off at 5:50 AM and we are supposed to be in the lot and parked by 4 AM. I'll typically get up around 4:30 AM for a 7 AM start, but have no idea how to attack such early times. We are only 3 miles from Epcot where the start is, so there wont be a long drive. I doubt, even if I tried that I could go to sleep before 11 PM the night before. So, do I try to go to bed at 9ish or so, or just go to bed at a normal time like 11 and just go with a few hours sleep? I figure I'll get up about quater to three so I can take in some coffee to get the system rolling and take a shower (both keys to my pregame ritual). I sleep like crap beofre races anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. With me screwing up my back, my only real goal is to go sub 2 hours, I don't see PRing below 1:49.

I recommend a nap the day before, and little to no exercise if at all possible = major chill day. Getting up early to get the body ready is necessary. I'm most likely getting up at 3:45 am to drive to Houston (2 hours away) to run in two weekends. The upside will be that the extra time will allow me to "clear" my system pretty well, the downside is I'll be a bit foggy. I got up at 4:45 for this morning's run and treated it like a race day to get ready for it = you might want to try to the same thing.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Two things: Sign up for the race now & quit cheating.

Tough love, but I agree.

 

[BassNBrew]

Here is something new, I frigging chaffed my armpits swimming 2,000 yards last night Seriously, who chaffes their pits?Got some questions for this weekend. PSL, based on what you stated, I am really thinking about rocking the OxySocks with shorts. I have seen folks do this, but still feel like I am going to look like a dork (which I suppose is lessened a bit with me joining the over 40 crowd). So, were you serious about going with this look too? Next question, with my seeding time for Saturday, I go off at 5:50 AM and we are supposed to be in the lot and parked by 4 AM. I'll typically get up around 4:30 AM for a 7 AM start, but have no idea how to attack such early times. We are only 3 miles from Epcot where the start is, so there wont be a long drive. I doubt, even if I tried that I could go to sleep before 11 PM the night before. So, do I try to go to bed at 9ish or so, or just go to bed at a normal time like 11 and just go with a few hours sleep? I figure I'll get up about quater to three so I can take in some coffee to get the system rolling and take a shower (both keys to my pregame ritual). I sleep like crap beofre races anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. With me screwing up my back, my only real goal is to go sub 2 hours, I don't see PRing below 1:49.

The key to being rested isn't the night before, but two nights before. I've done several 7+ hour century rides on 3-4 hours sleep. Bank your sleep earlier in the week.

 

[pigskinliquors]

...but whenever there was contraction of the hamstring and flexion past 110-120 degrees my biceps femoris tendon would slide over my fibular head in my lower leg and produce a snapping that was increasingly more painful with the amount of force applied to the contraction of my hamstring

:X

Busy day today, so I didn't get to the gym until 8:45 tonight. Started with a 10-minute warmup at 8:00 pace, then 4 x 3 minutes @ 6:40 pace w/3-minute recovery at 8:00 pace, then finished with 14 minutes at 7:30 pace. Total six miles in 45 minutes, 7:30 average pace. Felt really good. Probably my last harder workout before the marathon.

Giddy'up! ___________________________________________________

My Update:

My decision (2 runs vs. 1 long run) was made by a realtor. We are selling our house, and somebody wanted to show our house last night at 7:30 = had to run this morning only. I thought it would be a fairly ez 10 miles at 8:30 pace. Unfortunately, my HR was waaaaay up after only 2 miles (173 ), both at 8:25. It settled a bit for the rest of the run, but after having my 20 miler 2 weekends ago without my HR even seeing 173, it was pretty deflating. In all I got the 10 miles in at 8:27 pace, and my HR the last mile got to 179. I had planned on running mile 9 at MP (8:00), but didn't want to get into Zone 5 for that long of a time. My legs feel pretty good, and I'll most likely have a mini-speed workout on Friday (3 miles at 7:11), and a mini-long run on Sunday (8 miles), prior to taking it very ez next week. Hopefully I can find a way to get rid of at least 5 of these extra pounds as I can feel way to much jiggling around to feel comfortable.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Overview of 2007 Marathons

Being age 42, I found this interesting:

In addition to being the fastest age group, men aged 40-44 also represented the largest single age group for marathon runners in 2007, accounting for nearly 10% of all marathoners and more than 16% of male marathoners, with men aged 35-39 just behind in the numbers.

I was also surprised to see that less than 10% of all marathon runners (13.9% of men) ran sub 3:30. I'm not feeling quite so old and slow today

 

[Harris]

Overview of 2007 Marathons

Being age 42, I found this interesting:

In addition to being the fastest age group, men aged 40-44 also represented the largest single age group for marathon runners in 2007, accounting for nearly 10% of all marathoners and more than 16% of male marathoners, with men aged 35-39 just behind in the numbers.

I was also surprised to see that less than 10% of all marathon runners (13.9% of men) ran sub 3:30. I'm not feeling quite so old and slow today

That's the spirit!I'm off to hit the weights, currently at 169.4, trying to get up to 180 before I start training again on Feb. 23.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm off to hit the weights, currently at 169.4, trying to get up to 180 before I start training again on Feb. 23.

lol. I'm at 176 (most I've weighed in 5 years), trying to get down to 165 (my normal racing weight) by mid Feb (down to 170 by 1/18 = next race). Hopefully you find it, while I lose it!

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm off to hit the weights, currently at 169.4, trying to get up to 180 before I start training again on Feb. 23.

lol. I'm at 176 (most I've weighed in 5 years), trying to get down to 165 (my normal racing weight) by mid Feb (down to 170 by 1/18 = next race). Hopefully you find it, while I lose it!

Down from the upper 220's to about 218. The thing I like about triathlons is that they have a master's clydesdale cat. My goal is to get down to 199 so that race week I have to add a few beers and other goodies to the diet to make weight.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm off to hit the weights, currently at 169.4, trying to get up to 180 before I start training again on Feb. 23.

lol. I'm at 176 (most I've weighed in 5 years), trying to get down to 165 (my normal racing weight) by mid Feb (down to 170 by 1/18 = next race). Hopefully you find it, while I lose it!

Down from the upper 220's to about 218. The thing I like about triathlons is that they have a master's clydesdale cat. My goal is to get down to 199 so that race week I have to add a few beers and other goodies to the diet to make weight.

If you get under 200, your climbing abilities are going to be phenomenal!

 

[Harris]

I'm off to hit the weights, currently at 169.4, trying to get up to 180 before I start training again on Feb. 23.

lol. I'm at 176 (most I've weighed in 5 years), trying to get down to 165 (my normal racing weight) by mid Feb (down to 170 by 1/18 = next race). Hopefully you find it, while I lose it!

When I started lifting to get my strength back on 12/1/08 I was 156, now pushing 170 a month later, hopefully 180 in another month. I'm just lifting and eating like crazy. I'm also gaining a bunch of fat but not really worried about that right now. Just trying to put on anything and everything and then once I start running I hope to lose about 5-10 pounds of "excess" weight and be ready to race in a few months. So goal race weight would be around 170.

 

[Harris]

I'm off to hit the weights, currently at 169.4, trying to get up to 180 before I start training again on Feb. 23.

lol. I'm at 176 (most I've weighed in 5 years), trying to get down to 165 (my normal racing weight) by mid Feb (down to 170 by 1/18 = next race). Hopefully you find it, while I lose it!

Down from the upper 220's to about 218. The thing I like about triathlons is that they have a master's clydesdale cat. My goal is to get down to 199 so that race week I have to add a few beers and other goodies to the diet to make weight.

lol, you're going to dominate the clydes if you do that. i can just picture it now, you on a scale at 199.8, chugging beers trying to make weight,

 

[culdeus]

I'm off to hit the weights, currently at 169.4, trying to get up to 180 before I start training again on Feb. 23.

lol. I'm at 176 (most I've weighed in 5 years), trying to get down to 165 (my normal racing weight) by mid Feb (down to 170 by 1/18 = next race). Hopefully you find it, while I lose it!

Down from the upper 220's to about 218. The thing I like about triathlons is that they have a master's clydesdale cat. My goal is to get down to 199 so that race week I have to add a few beers and other goodies to the diet to make weight.

If you get under 200, your climbing abilities are going to be phenomenal!

Depends on whether you can atrophy your upper body fast enough. Lance is doing the same thing right now. Stay out of the weight room and up the carb/protein ratio.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Overview of 2007 Marathons

Being age 42, I found this interesting:

In addition to being the fastest age group, men aged 40-44 also represented the largest single age group for marathon runners in 2007, accounting for nearly 10% of all marathoners and more than 16% of male marathoners, with men aged 35-39 just behind in the numbers.

I was also surprised to see that less than 10% of all marathon runners (13.9% of men) ran sub 3:30. I'm not feeling quite so old and slow today

So, in turning 40 I am planning on wearing socks up to my knees and am being told to take a nap just to run against the most stout age group who is going to kick my ### anyway. This whole turning 40 thing sucks. I am planning on wearing The Sox Saturday. As for the nap, I am a type A on 11 so I'll likely try, but I doubt it'll happen. But, after the race I am looking forward to floating in the lazy river at the condo with huge bloody mary.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I did day 1/week 1 of the cp25k program. It was harder then I thought but I made it. I was cheating towards the end. I was walking longer then 90 seconds and running less then 60 seconds. This was in the very end. I can feel it in my calfs. I was also huffing and puffing quite a bit.I did not worry about timeing my miles as i was following this program. I think after I get further into it I will just do a two mile thing and see how much time I have shaved off. I would like to run a 5k in the spring. I should be done with the cp25k program in March.* I feel like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty.

Two things: Sign up for the race now & quit cheating. Targeting a race (and paying for it) will keep you motivated. As for the cheating, I am sure the plan is built to stretch you a bit in the beginning, if you cheat, you wont get the benefit. I don't stretch a ton, but I do focus on my calves as I've torn one before. One I run about a 1/4 to a 1/3 of a mile for warm up, I find a curb and drop one at a time down just enough to stretch it for about 30 seconds each and do it twice. You'll need to find a stretching program that works for you.

Thanks. I will start looking for a race now.

I get a weekly "run-mail" from one of the local running shops, this week's inculded the following:Yo Run Gang, 30 years ago I snuck out for a 10 mile run with a beautiful young woman; we were sneaking because her mother considered seeing the groom on the morning of the wedding bad luck. Now with 2 wonderful grown children and 30 years of wonderful memories, we continue to run long together and I believe it's possible that this magic can go on for another 30 years. The email that follows adds to my hope ... and gets me all choked up ... "Just want you to know I had a blast at the Holiday Hustle ... since I was the only one in my age group, got a first and a beautiful ornament. I'm new at all this stuff, so thought I had to walk 5 miles, not 3.1. My running son-in law from Crown Point, Indiana told me that distance would be a piece of cake for me. He also helped calm my nerves (by phone) making sure I had the chip in the shoe correctly, etc., etc. When I called him after the race to tell him I was first, he jumped instantly to the Internet to get my times, etc, etc. I told him----"They won't have that this soon", but he was on the site before I finished my protest and there was my name: Rita Rotramel, 79 years old, FIRST! He was more excited than I was, although I was pretty excited too. He has great plans for me next year when I'm 80. I love the shirt and your fun messages. - Regards, Non wimp walker, Rita - Ho Ho Goooooooo" I'm reminded how events change people into athletes, at any age!

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm reminded how events change people into athletes, at any age!

Great Story, thanks for sharing. Are your Oxy's white or black? Mine are white, and I'm kinda wishing I'd have ordered black.

 

[prosopis]

Two things: Sign up for the race now & quit cheating.

Tough love, but I agree.

I am seeing this as a posibility. They say (Distance not finalized yet) I am assuming this is a 5k event. Has anyone ever signed up for something with the distance not finalized?link http://www.active.com/page/Event_Details.h...db-9dc83c1df65a

I am also looking at this.

http://www.worldcultureclub.org/Half_Marathon___5K.php

 

[BassNBrew]

Swim Total 0.00

Bike Total 87.00

Run Total 10.50

2009 Total 97.50

Like the new spreadsheet. Not a bad first week. Also got in 2 weight sessions on the legs and one upper body. No alcohol for the week and only ate natural foods. By natural I mean if the last step wasn't picking it or killing it, I didn't ingest it. This excludes one or two scoops protein powder with amino acids and creatine with a glass of milk. No real agenda here other than trying to avoid foods loaded with carbs and calories.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I'm reminded how events change people into athletes, at any age!

Great Story, thanks for sharing. Are your Oxy's white or black? Mine are white, and I'm kinda wishing I'd have ordered black.

I have black. If the temp is sub 50 Saturday, I'll have the Johnny Cash, Man in Black look, with all black.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm reminded how events change people into athletes, at any age!

Great Story, thanks for sharing. Are your Oxy's white or black? Mine are white, and I'm kinda wishing I'd have ordered black.

I have black. If the temp is sub 50 Saturday, I'll have the Johnny Cash, Man in Black look, with all black.

I just ordered a pair of black this morning. If the temps are sub 45, I'll go running pants (code for tights) and Oxy's; if it's above 45 I'll most likely go nerdy old Long-sox-guy look. Hopefully the black will be in on time for the race, as I'm guessing the black one's will be less dorky as my shoes are also black = I'll also go Johnny Cash

 

[culdeus]

Swim Total 0.00 Bike Total 87.00 Run Total 10.50 2009 Total 97.50 Like the new spreadsheet. Not a bad first week. Also got in 2 weight sessions on the legs and one upper body. No alcohol for the week and only ate natural foods. By natural I mean if the last step wasn't picking it or killing it, I didn't ingest it. This excludes one or two scoops protein powder with amino acids and creatine with a glass of milk. No real agenda here other than trying to avoid foods loaded with carbs and calories.

Wait, what are your goals exactly? How are you going to lose weight lifting weights and taking in extra protein exactly? Have you thought about consulting a professional because I doubt you are gonna hit 199 this way.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Swim Total 0.00 Bike Total 87.00 Run Total 10.50 2009 Total 97.50 Like the new spreadsheet. Not a bad first week. Also got in 2 weight sessions on the legs and one upper body. No alcohol for the week and only ate natural foods. By natural I mean if the last step wasn't picking it or killing it, I didn't ingest it. This excludes one or two scoops protein powder with amino acids and creatine with a glass of milk. No real agenda here other than trying to avoid foods loaded with carbs and calories.

Wait, what are your goals exactly? How are you going to lose weight lifting weights and taking in extra protein exactly? Have you thought about consulting a professional because I doubt you are gonna hit 199 this way.

Stopping drinking and eating only natural foods should do it right there (my extra 11 pounds can be 90% attributed to alcohol, and 10% to eating after drinking). I'm also guessing that he's not lifting any more than he had before = reducing calories, while working out the same should result in lost weight (it's a crazy formula!)

 

[culdeus]

Swim Total 0.00 Bike Total 87.00 Run Total 10.50 2009 Total 97.50 Like the new spreadsheet. Not a bad first week. Also got in 2 weight sessions on the legs and one upper body. No alcohol for the week and only ate natural foods. By natural I mean if the last step wasn't picking it or killing it, I didn't ingest it. This excludes one or two scoops protein powder with amino acids and creatine with a glass of milk. No real agenda here other than trying to avoid foods loaded with carbs and calories.

Wait, what are your goals exactly? How are you going to lose weight lifting weights and taking in extra protein exactly? Have you thought about consulting a professional because I doubt you are gonna hit 199 this way.

Stopping drinking and eating only natural foods should do it right there (my extra 11 pounds can be 90% attributed to alcohol, and 10% to eating after drinking). I'm also guessing that he's not lifting any more than he had before = reducing calories, while working out the same should result in lost weight (it's a crazy formula!)

I don't know. I can cut about 10 pounds in two weeks just staying vegan diet wise and staying down in the saddle and not even looking at weights on TV. You have to keep the legs active to not atrophy them it's just a matter of the way it's done. Now I'm assuming this guy is already at a real low body fat % and is trying to tweak his numbers, not because he's holding some extra holiday weight. Holiday weight is much easier to get rid of and doesn't take a lot of work. I used to struggle to stay at or around 140 in running days. I'm more comfortable riding at 155 during base building and then will drop to 145 leading up to events. I think I did the HHH around 145. 160 is my winter weight, but I'm already base building. For what. I don't know.

 

[Harris]

Ok, after all this talk I gotta ask.....wtf are Oxy socks?

 

[pigskinliquors]

Ok, after all this talk I gotta ask.....wtf are Oxy socks?

For those of us with calf problems (old guys!), they are the greatest thing since sliced bread: Oxysox! edited to add: for some reason the guy on their website doesn't look nearly as dorky as I do (and feel) while wearing them. Maybe I need to add the bandana look

 

[pigskinliquors]

Natural Selection: What type of runner are you?

I'm right in between a middle distance, and long-hauler (26 points).

 

[meeka]

Last night I took a big first step into 2009 running. I had a minor medical procedure (snip-snip) done on Dec. 24th, and I decided I would take 2 weeks off before I went running. Last night was the 2 week mark, so I went out for 3.5 miles. I just picked up some new shoes on Tuesday, so I was dying to try them out. Everything went great. It was a great run, and I am really looking forward to locking into a running schedule again.

For the rookies in here I want to re-emphasize the importance of getting proper fitting shoes for running. Here is my story. I started running in the spring of 2007 and picked up a pair of inexpensive Addidas at Kohls. I ran in those shoes all year and never had any problems with leg pain or foot discomfort. When I signed up for my first Half Marathon in spring of 08 I knew I would need new shoes. Since the first pair worked out so well I bought the same pair I had before. After my Half Marathon my SIL sent me some money for new shoes as a congrats gift for running the race. I went and got a really nice pair of shoes that were very comfortable in the store, but did not feel quite right when I ran in them. It sucked. I felt bad that I had purchased expensive shoes and did not like them. So for Christmas this year I asked for some $ for some new shoes. This time I went to a running store and my stride analyzed and was fitted for the right shoes. Yesterday was my first run in those shoes, and it was wonderful to get back into shoes that work for me. I was nervous to go to a running store, because I thought they would push only expensive shoes at me. Instead them just helped me find a shoe that fit me, and the price was very reasonable. I know most of the runner in here have past this running hurdle years ago, but I wanted to bring it up for anyone new to the tread that does not start reading on page 1.

 

[Harris]

Natural Selection: What type of runner are you?

I'm right in between a middle distance, and long-hauler (26 points).

29 for me, long-hauler....and while I do consider 3 miles a warmup, I definitely don't savor every single long run.

 

[Harris]

Speaking of shoes, I've got a quick poll for you guys.

In terms of shoes do you:

A) Get refitted for comletely different shoes each time a pair wears out

B) Wear the same brand each time a pair wears out

C) Wear the same brand and style each time a pair wears out

When I first started running I picked any old shoe off of the shelf at foot locker without any help After a little while I decided that those shoes (Nike Shox ) weren't good for running. Clearly I didn't know anything. Went to get fitted at a local running store and ended up with a pair of Brooks Trance's. Great shoes for motion control, but man were they heavy! Ran my first marathon in 4:02:30 in them. Didn't like those due to the weight and wanted a lighter shoe but still with the support. Got insurance to cover orthotic inserts and got myself refitted at the running store for Brooks Axioms. Have worn them ever since.

I think I'm on my 4th pair of Axioms, I just hope they never discontinue them or I will be