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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (7 Viewers)

Sweet & Savory 100k Relay

This race setup is similar to what many of you were supposed to do 2 weeks ago. It's self supported, so it is each team's responsibility to sufficiently fuel and taxi from one location to the next. One major difference though - 2 legs each instead of 3.

Preparation was certainly different than usual. I was banged up after the Memorial Day 5 miler and really haven't done anything of substance since. Some faster runs than others, but I dont think I've ran a single sub 7 minute mile since that last race. Feet/heels were doing okay, but never really got above 90-95% so I approached this as if there would be some sort of break afterwards. 

I skipped the neorotism run though. This was intentional. Part because this race being on the back end of vacation I thought rest was more important. And I had a couple nights of deep sleep leading into it. But also because I didnt want to go out too hot on leg 1. Two takeaways I had from the relay two weeks ago were that I would need to grind the second leg regardless and most of those that struggled later all cited doing leg one too fast. But anyway...

Leg 2 - 4.5 miles

The first half of this leg is basically an unnoticeable < 1% grade along an APT with a momentum killing 75' climb followed by more unnoticeable < 1% climbing to the next exchange. My goal for this part was to just get loose and focus on cadence until the bump. I wasnt settled on a pace, but I wanted to stay below 6:30 while also not letting myself get under 6:10. Most importantly, I just wanted to maintain cadence focus without 'forcing' effort.

While skipping neurotism was intentional, skipping any warm up wasnt. Leg one was only a 5k and my stomach upon arriving to leg 2 said another trip to the bathroom took priority. Only one other team started at our time and they came through about a minute and a half in front of ours. Great, a rabbit to chase.

Miles 1 and 2 - 6:28/6:11

As expected, a little stiff to start but loosened up about five minutes in. I  first checked my pace at 10 minutes and wasnt surprised about mile 1, but the 6:04 I saw for the beginning of mile 2 grabbed my attention. Despite my efforts to slow the pace I didnt really. Curious how this will go later. 

Mile 3 - 6:28

I hit the climb and my pace slowed as expected, but I got to the top feeling just as strong as before so I continued on with the same plan as the first 2 miles.

Miles 4 and 4.5 - 6:13/6:07

I finally spotted my rabbit at the top of the climb and was able to hold back from increasing the pace...until passing him with a half mile to go. Probably just a habit, when you pass someone keep pressing on the gas so they dont try to follow. Hopefully this doesnt come back to bite me.

4.49 miles - 6:18 net pace, 28:22, 198' elevation

Post leg 2

Turkey, roast beef, ham, and cheese with mustard on an everything bagel - yum, but weird at 9:15 in the morning. After only having a banana and coffee in the morning I wanted to refuel quick so I could just get away with water and snacking between now and leg 8. And after I really just got away with water, pretzels, oranges, fruit snacks, and more water. It was a little muggy and my next leg was double the distance, so odds of some sort of blow up were real. 

Leg 8 - 9.1 miles

I was happy to see leg 7 start about 5-10 minutes after several teams and none of them looked like they were much faster/slower than her. More rabbits later in my leg the better. It was noticeably warmer though. Instead of low 60's with 50some% humidity it was about 70 with 60some% humidity. No matter how much I hydrated I was still thirsty, so I asked my team to stop about mile 5 and get me a couple swigs.

Leg 7 came through about the same spot as before, about 3-10 minutes behind several teams. So let's go hunting.

Miles 1-3 - 6:03/6:33/6:24

This leg starts with a short incline then a good decline followed by a noticeable incline, but one that shouldn't impact me too much then a rolling 3rd mile. If I could get through this section around 6:20 net pace and not working too hard I'd be happy. 3 kills, nailed the pace, and feeling good. Off to a good start.

Miles 4-6 - 6:23/6:24/6:21

Goal for this section was to start pushing the envelope. Mentally I treated this leg like a 7 mile race. The first 3 miles were essentially rolling hills, but this section represented more of a climbing portion. One of those for every 60' you climb you only come back down 20' before climbing some more. I was running low on fluids, but fueling felt good otherwise so when I rendezvoused with my team I took them up on the 2 swigs of water but passed on the fruit snacks. I quickly felt like that was enough to get me through the climbing, but I was also keenly aware of my feet/heels. They...are not happy. But, press on. And 2 more kills. 

Mile 7 - 6:50

After 6 miles of rollers but more up than down this last section was going to make or break me. Can I get through it without slowing down too much? While also having enough ammo left to take advantage of the 2 mile descent that follows? I was confident in part one but had no expectation for part 2. My body would tell me very quickly once we stopped climbing. 

Mile 8 - 6:16

Yes! While I labored through the last 20' of climbing or so I got to the top and knew instantly there was still some pop left in my legs. My feet/ankles/and now calves werent happy but the shorter stride on the way up saved energy for the bigger muscles upstream. It took a little bit to rebuild speed, but that followed the flow of the decline too. It starts off rather unnoticeably then slowly increases until the grade really fires into mile 9.

Mile 9 and 9.1 - 5:07!!!/5:17

I actually net a 5:01 mile that probably started around mile 8.9. I had no expectations for a pace on this decline, but that took me by surprise. I was just in attack mode from the top of the hill. At first it was just get faster with each stride and later on it was net more kills as those that started with a 10 minute lead came into focus. I'm sure my feet were yelling at me here but I dont remember and wasnt listening anyway. Just kill everyone. And I was even able to somewhat maintain the speed despite 30-40' of climbing over the last quarter mile once the descent finally ended. 

9.1 miles - net 6:15 pace, 57:03, 573' elevation. I think I'm even happier with this than i was the sub 30 five miles last month.

There's a lot to write about the rest of the day, but to briefly summarize - it was a blast and I understand why Gian was so bummed about the necessary format change to the relay 2 weeks ago. We finished 4th of 20 teams in 8 hours 22 minutes - 8:06 pace. 

Going forward I will be taking a (short?) break then probably will take some time to ramp up mileage/intensity. The post race massage confirmed what I already knew - inflammation around the achilles. It hurt to touch and led to tightness going both down to my feet/ankles and up to my calf. Ice the achilles/heat the calves - repeat. I will work on strength training only at least early in the week then re-assess in a few days if I need more time or if I'm okay to go again. I dont anticipate a long break, but given what others have gone through here with similar issues and that it isn't much different now than after the memorial day 5 I will be exercising caution. I'll be back soon though. 
Damn Mac, that's some serious running.  Congrats, can't wait to read about your next event and the butt kicking you administer.

Have you run a mile for time recently?

 
@Zasada:  "I had train for 16 weeks, getting up at 0300 on some days to complete my runs.  And then on race day I had to muster every ounce of mental strength (and #### my pants) to run a <4hr marathon.  It was a life achievement."

@Steel Curtain:  "It's Monday so I ran a <4hr marathon."
@Steel Curtain  :popcorn:  for your next event

@Zasada I saw your poop story preview trailer but missed the film released.  Can you hook me up with a link?

 
Full (long & boring) RR.

Relevant sections:

I continued on my own and started to get GI rumbling of my own.  Great.  Usually on my runs after I feel the first rumblings it increases in severity until I have no choice to stop.  But in this case the immodium I took seems to be muting the progression so I kept passing toilets with the hope it could be managed.  I also started having the internal debate of "if it means finishing without stopping or walking, am I willing to #### myself".  Knowing that "####ting myself" likely wouldn't involve a huge mess since most of the time my GI issues a really just a ton of gas with a little poop in the mix.


As I'm sure is common, motor skills start to degrade over time during a race.  And this seems to apply to one's sphincter as well.  Because as I have another bout of GI pain and I'm trying to keep things in, I fail.  Not a huge dookie event by any means but I know I just soiled myself.  Well I guess that has decided things.  I'm willing to #### myself to not stop.  Even if it wasn't 100% intentional. 


Oh, and I crapped myself again around 35K.  Same as before.  But at this point the fatigue is so great that I just don't give a #### (pun intended).
@ChiefD's poop story is way better.  Go read that.

 
Need some BMF physio advice.

My glutes continue to be an issue.  Around the 7-8K mark of each of my ERs this week, they announce that they're not happy.  This is continued from when I first noticed during/after a 30K training run I did pre-marathon.  During the marathon it was my biggest problem.  Just won't go away, and I'm worried it's going to be a problem again for my race a week from Saturday.

Best advice to try to get them happier before my race?  Foam roller?  Massage?  Take a week off (really don't want to do this for a bunch of reasons)?

 
I guess I’m working on my base right now - been able to be pretty consistent with my runs.

Last night I did a hike-run - 3.7 miles, 1,125 ft. of elevation.  The best part was the eye candy on the way up the mountain - one smoke show and another that was older but in awesome shape.

Now I just need to figure out how to replicate that for 96.3 more miles.  @SFBayDuck

 
Damn Mac, that's some serious running.  Congrats, can't wait to read about your next event and the butt kicking you administer.

Have you run a mile for time recently?
A couple years ago, but it was also down hill (nothing like last weekend though) and everyone who did it had it > 1 mile on whatever device they used.  My official race time was 4:55, but strava had me at a 4:43 mile.  Since it was down hill I've gone with the official time, but there were discussions in the van and over beers afterwards about doing a timed mile on a track.  Isn't going to be anytime soon (achilles), but if I don't schedule it prior maybe at the end of next track season since everyone on our relay team has kids on those track teams.

 
The Digital Runner

"As Digital Runners we must curate with care. We must prop up those who move us forward and weed out others who force us back. Identify negative influences and unsubscribe. This running life is too short to waste on ego and envy."

 
Several years ago I did a 7 day mountain bike stage race, which was awesome... Normatec sent me a pair of their squeezy leg bags/recovery leg dealios... loved them, had to send them back :(    anyone using them or an alternative? 

 
Several years ago I did a 7 day mountain bike stage race, which was awesome... Normatec sent me a pair of their squeezy leg bags/recovery leg dealios... loved them, had to send them back :(    anyone using them or an alternative? 
I think I’ve read the ‘Air Relax’ was the best lower cost version.  I would love some of those. But their site is down so who knows. 

 
I think I’ve read the ‘Air Relax’ was the best lower cost version.  I would love some of those. But their site is down so who knows. 
yeah it looks like Speed Hound is the way to go ATM.  $645 with a promo code I found.  

---AND--- wife just informed me it's confirmed we need a new oil burner.  Not sure I'll get squeezy leg bags unless she wants them.  

 
'Im getting fat.

Well, at least my legs and butt are getting fat.  My swimswuit, bike shorts, and underwear are all feeling tighter.  I know this isn't some mental thing either.  Ive gained like 5-7lbs in the past 6 months.

Pleas help me.  What do I do?

 
'Im getting fat.

Well, at least my legs and butt are getting fat.  My swimswuit, bike shorts, and underwear are all feeling tighter.  I know this isn't some mental thing either.  Ive gained like 5-7lbs in the past 6 months.

Pleas help me.  What do I do?
Refresh my memory, but due to health problems your workouts have been much less consistent, yes?  If you haven't changed your diet that's all it probably is.  I know I've put weight on this month, but it's as simple as I didn't change my diet and have exercised probably 7-8 hours less this month than I usually would have to this point.

Going to go lift in a few minutes and that's my first real exercise since Saturday's relay.  At this time I've punted any running until at least Sunday.  I'm not optimistic about it happening then either, but we'll see.  As all you who have had heel/achilles issues before will attest this problem takes its sweet time.

 
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Hey Tri-Man, have I got a girl for you!
Having seen a news blurb on her earlier, I figured you were linking in 103-year-old "Hurricane."  :wub:     

I'd love to flash forward and see where the years take me (and see where you schmoes are at 15-20 years from now ....).  Today I pulled on a Des Moines Marathon shirt from 2007, my second marathon (Madison, WI six months prior was the first).  It got me daydreaming about repeating my sequence of marathons, starting in 2022 and keeping me busy until 2036 ...

 
Having seen a news blurb on her earlier, I figured you were linking in 103-year-old "Hurricane."  :wub:     

I'd love to flash forward and see where the years take me (and see where you schmoes are at 15-20 years from now ....).  Today I pulled on a Des Moines Marathon shirt from 2007, my second marathon (Madison, WI six months prior was the first).  It got me daydreaming about repeating my sequence of marathons, starting in 2022 and keeping me busy until 2036 ...
I know where this schmoe is - sitting in his office for 2800-3000 hours/yr right now.  Last few years haven't been kind on the free time front.  Sadly this is the stuff has fallen back a good bit.

Personally I'm hoping to get some real time do so some touring.  Riding Nice to Zurich is on the list.  Walking the AT is on the list.  Biking Mauna Kea, hiking Cotopaxi.  You know, little stuff.   :P   Just need to free up 3000 hours a year...

 
Personally I'm hoping to get some real time do so some touring.  Riding Nice to Zurich is on the list.  Walking the AT is on the list.  Biking Mauna Kea, hiking Cotopaxi.  You know, little stuff.   :P   Just need to free up 3000 hours a year...
The time will free up some day.  The bolded has crossed my mind as well.  I'd just want to do it before @ChiefD ...I wouldn't want to spend the whole hike watching where I step.

 
I know where this schmoe is - sitting in his office for 2800-3000 hours/yr right now.  Last few years haven't been kind on the free time front.  Sadly this is the stuff has fallen back a good bit.

Personally I'm hoping to get some real time do so some touring.  Riding Nice to Zurich is on the list.  Walking the AT is on the list.  Biking Mauna Kea, hiking Cotopaxi.  You know, little stuff.   :P   Just need to free up 3000 hours a year...
Preach! 

Man I'm so ready to travel... Maybe sometime in 2030‽

 
Figure chief and a few others of you can help.

Every frigging time I run in the afternoon now I have to 🙂 poop mid run, even if I poop before the run and in the morning. 

Edit - why does the poop emoji end up being a 🙂?

 
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Figure chief and a few others of you can help.

Every frigging time I run in the afternoon now I have to 🙂 poop mid run, even if I poop before the run and in the morning. 

Edit - why does the poop emoji end up being a 🙂?
Running makes my system move 

 
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Figure chief and a few others of you can help.

Every frigging time I run in the afternoon now I have to 🙂 poop mid run, even if I poop before the run and in the morning. 

Edit - why does the poop emoji end up being a 🙂?
Used to have this problem and it was all food related. I just jinxed it, but it's been a couple years since it was a recurring issue. 

 
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Figure chief and a few others of you can help.

Every frigging time I run in the afternoon now I have to 🙂 poop mid run, even if I poop before the run and in the morning. 

Edit - why does the poop emoji end up being a 🙂?
Well, clearly I have talked about my poop a little too much... <_<

For me, it depends. There are weeks where I don't have to poop at all. But I have stretches where I am seriously having to get home by mile 4 or its ugly.

I can say that when I am in race training I poop more. I'm eating more. And I'm really careful about the types of fibers I eat. Almost all soluble fibers. But I believe it has more to do with the AMOUNT of food vs the type.

Like right now, I'm not running as much, and I'm not eating as much. So I haven't had the urge to poop on any run in the last couple of months other than maybe an outlier or two.

So maybe look at how much you are eating. Are you overeating relative to the amount of exercise you are doing?

 
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The time will free up some day.  The bolded has crossed my mind as well.  I'd just want to do it before @ChiefD ...I wouldn't want to spend the whole hike watching where I step.
Piecing together the PCT and/or the John Muir Trail over a series of hikes is a huge goal of mine.  Gonna have to retire in the next 10 years to realistically get those done.

I’ll probably just settle for the Tahoe Rim Trail via the Tahoe 200 race. 

And now, back to poop talk. 

 
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Do you eat a lot of salads?
Not really. I eat mostly meat, veggies (like broccoli, peas, beans, no lettuce, not much spinach). Nuts, oranges and an apple for snacks most days.

Running makes my system move 
Understood, and I figure that's a lot of it. It's just more than usual lately.

Well, clearly I have talked about my poop a little too much... <_<

For me, it depends. There are weeks where I don't have to poop at all. But I have stretches where I am seriously having to get home by mile 4 or its ugly.

I can say that when I am in race training I poop more. I'm eating more. And I'm really careful about the types of fibers I eat. Almost all soluble fibers. But I believe it has more to do with the AMOUNT of food vs the type.

Like right now, I'm not running as much, and I'm not eating as much. So I haven't had the urge to poop on any run in the last couple of months other than maybe an outlier or two.

So maybe look at how much you are eating. Are you overeating relative to the amount of exercise you are doing?
I didn't think so.  But I have gained 4 lbs in the last two months. So maybe there's something to that. 

Maybe it's time to cut back a little and pay better attention to the fodmop diet. 

 
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Yeah I go stretches having to poop every run and then weeks without.  I still haven't precisely nailed it down, but nuts, raisins, and too much fatty food are triggers.  Stress, too.

There is a muesli cereal I really enjoy but have basically banned it from meals on days before a run.  That stuff inflates me like the Venezuelan Bolivar.

I also try to eat dinner as early as possible so that I can poop it out when I wake up and then head out for my run.  If I eat dinner late that can delay the whole chain of events.

Finally, trail running seems to be more of a trigger than street running (though I have the problem on both).  Maybe because there's more jostling of the gut and its contents on the former.

 
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I sit down before every run and have an 85% success rate, no matter how many times I've already "read the newspaper". squatty potty FTW  

 
I just don't run enough, apparently, because I still have yet to stop and poop on a run.
You haven't lived until you get the meat sweats miles away from home in another neighborhood you're unfamiliar with in a panic desperately trying to find just enough maybe but probably not off property trees to duck into with as few people as possible noticing that also hopefully either lack some sort of video taping device or don't have the ability nor desire to utilize it.

 
You haven't lived until you get the meat sweats miles away from home in another neighborhood you're unfamiliar with in a panic desperately trying to find just enough maybe but probably not off property trees to duck into with as few people as possible noticing that also hopefully either lack some sort of video taping device or don't have the ability nor desire to utilize it.
At this point I just run main streets with easily accessible bathrooms.

Nothing like walking into a grocery store all sweaty and nasty and walking right by the customer service counter....

 
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You haven't lived until you get the meat sweats miles away from home in another neighborhood you're unfamiliar with in a panic desperately trying to find just enough maybe but probably not off property trees to duck into with as few people as possible noticing that also hopefully either lack some sort of video taping device or don't have the ability nor desire to utilize it.
Makes me want to go out and run right now and not stop until this happens to me.

 
You haven't lived until you get the meat sweats miles away from home in another neighborhood you're unfamiliar with in a panic desperately trying to find just enough maybe but probably not off property trees to duck into with as few people as possible noticing that also hopefully either lack some sort of video taping device or don't have the ability nor desire to utilize it.
last time a really bad urge hit me was around 5:30 AM in a neighborhood where nothing was open.. except a divey gas station.  i ripped that door open, ran through the store to the bathroom and just destroyed that thing.

the look of panic on the poor dude's face as i ran through his store + the look of utter disgust on his face when i came out of that toilet will stick with me forever. 

from panic to revulsion in just a few short minutes

haven't been back to that gas station since (at least 4 years now) but i guarantee me and that guy would definitely recognize each other on the streets in Mumbai if we saw each other in 20 years.

guy>  sorry for the mess

 
Are non-poop-related posts allowed in here?

We leave next Thursday for Sardinia (Sardegna to the Italians) for a little 10-day vacation, so I'm trying to pack in the miles before we leave.  Got up early this morning and drove an hour to Madison to join a couple of buddies for an awesome 12-mile run along Lake Monona.  Such an awesome route, and yet I've never done the race they do each May.  Gonna need to change that.  Tomorrow hoping to knock out 9-10 trail miles, and then I'm meeting another buddy for 13 on Sunday morning, giving me 60+ for the week.  A couple shorties on Monday and Tuesday, and then I'll knock out another 15 on Wednesday.

I'll run while I'm there and even connected with a local running group, but the lowest high temp while we're there is 86° (mostly low 90s), and the coolest it's gonna be (overnight) is 63°.  Uff da!

 
Are non-poop-related posts allowed in here?

We leave next Thursday for Sardinia (Sardegna to the Italians) for a little 10-day vacation, so I'm trying to pack in the miles before we leave.  Got up early this morning and drove an hour to Madison to join a couple of buddies for an awesome 12-mile run along Lake Monona.  Such an awesome route, and yet I've never done the race they do each May.  Gonna need to change that.  Tomorrow hoping to knock out 9-10 trail miles, and then I'm meeting another buddy for 13 on Sunday morning, giving me 60+ for the week.  A couple shorties on Monday and Tuesday, and then I'll knock out another 15 on Wednesday.

I'll run while I'm there and even connected with a local running group, but the lowest high temp while we're there is 86° (mostly low 90s), and the coolest it's gonna be (overnight) is 63°.  Uff da!
Have fun.  See if they have a Magg-i-ano's while you're there too!!

 
I'll run while I'm there and even connected with a local running group, but the lowest high temp while we're there is 86° (mostly low 90s), and the coolest it's gonna be (overnight) is 63°.  Uff da!
A little (okay, a lotta) discomfort will be good for ya.  Have fun.

 
last time a really bad urge hit me was around 5:30 AM in a neighborhood where nothing was open.. except a divey gas station.  i ripped that door open, ran through the store to the bathroom and just destroyed that thing.

the look of panic on the poor dude's face as i ran through his store + the look of utter disgust on his face when i came out of that toilet will stick with me forever. 

from panic to revulsion in just a few short minutes

haven't been back to that gas station since (at least 4 years now) but i guarantee me and that guy would definitely recognize each other on the streets in Mumbai if we saw each other in 20 years.

guy>  sorry for the mess
I did something very similar once, and then the toilet got clogged.  No plunger.  I just strolled out like nothing had happened.  Never been back.

 

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