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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (6 Viewers)
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Yep, you've had terrible luck recently. If there's a ####ty silver lining, it's that it's going to make your inevitable Boston qualifying comeback all the sweeter when it happens. I know running is far from the first thing on your mind right now, but I'm quite confident this will happen eventually. (And I think you're approaching the age that you get those old man advantages!)My luck over the past year sucks. It's like my body is falling apart.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
:( any time my kids go to one of these trampoline park/bounce house birthday parties, there's always a dad who tries to goad the other dads in to getting on and bouncing with the kids.Had an awesome vacation with the family last week up until Sunday. We were in WV for white water rafting, mud runs, etc. All of that was awesome - we even set the course record for families on the mud course.
Sunday afternoon we were hanging out at the water park. Kids goaded me into going out to play on the obstacles in the lake (like Wipeout type obstacles). I didn't really feel like it, but couldn't say no (they're a lot of fun - we did most of them on Thur). I had my right foot in a stirrup trying to pull myself up onto this thing when the weight shifted and made my knee over-flex; something popped. It hurt, but I didn't think it was that bad. I swam for another 20mins or so and the pain started to get worse. I got out, laid out on a beach chair and watched the swelling grow. The pain got so bad I almost threw up - so off to the ER I went.
They only took Xrays and did a quick triage on my knee. Dr thinks I tore something, but can't confirm until I get an MRI (pretty sure I tore my ACL - I know that pain after tearing the left one about 15yrs ago). Waiting for the swelling to go down so I can get the MRI. The swelling wasn't too bad until yesterday when it really grew in the car. I was hopped up on pain meds, so my wife had to drive home. Traveling home in the car for 7hrs wasn't the best thing for it. :(
My luck over the past year sucks. It's like my body is falling apart.
the younger dads are all about it.
those of us who are a bit older mostly take a pass
though there's inevitably a salt & pepper dad who takes the bait and hops up there for a 10-15 minute spin that then can't walk for a week because he wrecked his back/knee/ankle/foot
Hang 10
Footballguy
Yeah, buddy of mine tore his achilles at a trampoline park a couple years ago. He was mid 30s and fit. After I heard that story you couldn't pay me enough to get on a trampoline. Well, maybe you could pay me enough but it would have to be a lot!
Ned
Footballguy
Yeah, buddy of mine tore his achilles at a trampoline park a couple years ago. He was mid 30s and fit. After I heard that story you couldn't pay me enough to get on a trampoline. Well, maybe you could pay me enough but it would have to be a lot!
They had a couple water trampolines and my first reaction was "that's a blown out knee waiting to happen - no way"But all the other stuff was fine. So I thought.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Agreed - long view, Ned, long view. Join me (and others?) in Boston in 2021. We can spend 26 miles together randomly shouting "game ON!" as we pass people.
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Hang 10
Footballguy
I love strava and other run sharing sites but man do I hate when people try so hard to impress during training. Please don't try to misrepresent your interval workout by pausing your watch during your rest RI. I don't know who you think you're foolin. 
(don't think anyone in here does that)
(don't think anyone in here does that)
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Ha ha. I was worried it was me! But I didn't with my interval workout this morning. Generally I only do it with a refill of water or when I need to use the facilities. ?I love strava and other run sharing sites but man do I hate when people try so hard to impress during training. Please don't try to misrepresent your interval workout by pausing your watch during your rest RI. I don't know who you think you're foolin.
(don't think anyone in here does that)
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Hang 10
Footballguy
lol no not you. I know a couple of local guys that do it all the time. I guess the problem is that aren't even interval workouts. They're just running too hard and needing tons of breaks but never slow down they just pause their watches. So their overall pace looks awesome but when you look closer that 7:30 paced 14 miler actually took 2 & 20 minutes. Another guy today ran 10K in 39 min but when you look closer the elapsed time was over 45. I know I shouldn't care but it drives me a little nuts.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Sorry - I didn't think anybody would notice - my 5 miles was really 58 minutes and not 56 minutes.I love strava and other run sharing sites but man do I hate when people try so hard to impress during training. Please don't try to misrepresent your interval workout by pausing your watch during your rest RI. I don't know who you think you're foolin.
(don't think anyone in here does that)
MAC_32
Footballguy
Race results are why I love this game. Can fake your way through a lot of things in life. Can't fake your way through a race though.I love strava and other run sharing sites but man do I hate when people try so hard to impress during training. Please don't try to misrepresent your interval workout by pausing your watch during your rest RI. I don't know who you think you're foolin.
(don't think anyone in here does that)
Brony
Footballguy
My girls were walking a 5k with their cousin and didn't feel like walking the full 5k. It was in my cousin's neighborhood so they took a shortcut and one of them won their AG. Fortunately we found out after the awards ceremony.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I've done that in the past when doing a run / pushup / ab set. Pause during the pushups. It's not to misrepresent but to get the actual running. The new watch doesn't let me do that which is fine.I love strava and other run sharing sites but man do I hate when people try so hard to impress during training. Please don't try to misrepresent your interval workout by pausing your watch during your rest RI. I don't know who you think you're foolin.
(don't think anyone in here does that)
Osaurus
Footballguy
This. I'm slow. I know it. I run against myself out there every time. I love the scenery and how good I feel during and after races. A million things removed from my constantly overfilled brain in a short amount of time out there. My time is for me and what I do with it is up to me.MAC_32 said:
-OZ-
Footballguy
May have to play around with the settings a bit.You can make the left button the lap button if you go to your run settings.
I was reminded today how much more enjoyable walking in the woods is over running on the road. 5k hills with 1299' ascent, loved it. Slow as anything but so refreshing.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Hard to believe 46 days until the Chicago Marathon. My training has had its ups (mostly) and a few downs. I sit here in week 12 and haven't missed a run or a mile. Admittedly, there were a couple at pace runs I didn't have it and had to shut down early, but I made those miles up by adding it into a later hard workout. (I know Hanson's says not to do that, but I want to run every mile of this race plan.)
This is the point, when I start to think about my race plan. My PR is 3:21 which is a 7:41 pace. I have been training at a 7:27 pace. Obviously weather will play a part in my pacing strategy. The 7:27 has been hard but not unreasonable. However, I have found I struggle keeping exactly my pace from training during races. So I'm starting to zero in on running a 7:30 pace in Chicago. From what I have seen, pacing shouldn't be impacted by hills. My corral placement is B (which is sub 3:15 marathons -- I got in based on a sub 1:33 half) should enable me to not be impacted too much by slower runners in the beginning mile. 7:30 pace equals a 3:16:38 time. Over a 4 minute PR. My BQ time is 3:25. I only have run one marathon faster than 3:29 and that was NYC last year for my PR.
To me, most importantly is to PR and break 3:20. Wondering now if 7:30 may be a touch too aggressive. Ugh.
This is the point, when I start to think about my race plan. My PR is 3:21 which is a 7:41 pace. I have been training at a 7:27 pace. Obviously weather will play a part in my pacing strategy. The 7:27 has been hard but not unreasonable. However, I have found I struggle keeping exactly my pace from training during races. So I'm starting to zero in on running a 7:30 pace in Chicago. From what I have seen, pacing shouldn't be impacted by hills. My corral placement is B (which is sub 3:15 marathons -- I got in based on a sub 1:33 half) should enable me to not be impacted too much by slower runners in the beginning mile. 7:30 pace equals a 3:16:38 time. Over a 4 minute PR. My BQ time is 3:25. I only have run one marathon faster than 3:29 and that was NYC last year for my PR.
To me, most importantly is to PR and break 3:20. Wondering now if 7:30 may be a touch too aggressive. Ugh.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I don't think it seems unreasonable. But it's pretty tough to predict marathon pace when we are slogging through summer heat and humidity. Do you have any tuneup races planned before the big day?
The past 2 years I've had a HM planned the month before my marathon but this year it's not going to workout because of my slow ramp up in miles. This year I'm doing a 10K the end of Sept. and another one at the end of Oct. Less recovery time from a 10K will hopefully keep my weekly miles high when I should be peaking.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Right, usually the pacers don't have much of a complex strategy at Chicago. They might run a little fast in the first half (like a minute or so faster than pace). I'm a little confused by your goal pace, but the pacers will have time goals in increments of 5 minutes (3:15 groups, 3:20, 3:25, etc.). They won't be based directly on paces. The first mile or two will be congested for you even in B. I'd suggest trying to get as close to A as you can and not worry about finding a pace group until after a few miles.
pbm107
Footballguy
I am thinking 7:30 is a reasonable goal, using this site your 3:21 at NYC translates to a sub 3:19 in Chicago. Looking at Strava your training for this cycle compares favorably to your NY cycle. Try not to worry about the few workouts where you had to shut down early, I know that this happens even in my best training cycles. Keep up the good work.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Thanks. I've done it in the past, but the calendar doesn't jive well this time. I think labor day is too early for half marathons near me. I think I'll go without a race this time, but I definitely feel a bit better than I did when I ran my 3:21.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Sorry...I didn't mean the pacer groups at Chicago. I was talking my own personal training pace.
I've never run with a pace group at a big race. I'm not sure I would like it. Regardless, I would feel like 3:15 is too fast and 3:20 is too slow.
Was hoping the congestion would be better due to my corral placement and presumably most people running faster than me.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It's still jammed full of people and even though runners had to qualify to be in that corral, there are always people who have adjusted down their goal pace, always run the first few miles slower, etc. It will move along OK but there'll still be plenty of people you'll have to navigate around without tons of room to do so. But it will get easier and easier as the miles go by.
I hate pace groups too. I like as much free space around me as possible. When I've run with a group, I'm constantly worrying about clipping someone's heels or being clipped.
gruecd
Footballguy
We're putting in a pool. I asked my insurance agent if it will affect my homeowner's premium, and he said no (as long as it's fenced). If you have a trampoline, on the other hand, it makes you borderline uninsurable...Yeah, buddy of mine tore his achilles at a trampoline park a couple years ago. He was mid 30s and fit. After I heard that story you couldn't pay me enough to get on a trampoline. Well, maybe you could pay me enough but it would have to be a lot!
bushdocda
Footballguy
Well this was helpful. Along with eating tacos all week.
https://twitter.com/hansonsrun/status/900318707360116736
"Training for a Fall Marathon & feel tired all the time? It means you are doing it right. The key is to practice running in a fatigued state."
Planning to hit 20 miles for the first time Saturday - really interested in how that goes.
https://twitter.com/hansonsrun/status/900318707360116736
"Training for a Fall Marathon & feel tired all the time? It means you are doing it right. The key is to practice running in a fatigued state."
Planning to hit 20 miles for the first time Saturday - really interested in how that goes.
Hang 10
Footballguy
We are too.
As far as the training fatigue, it was pretty brutal for me a couple years ago but you do adapt. That's the whole point. Your body is forced to make some changes that will get you through the long ### race you're training for!
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I really feel locked right now. I want more. I know that it's better that I take things slow but "only" having a 8 mile run this morning and no 2nd or 3rd workouts today has me feeling anxious like I should be doing something. Weird that I'm not enjoying the rest. All I want to do right now is eat and train.
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SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Still not "training" at all, and dealing with niggles in the piriformis still as well as my right achilles. But I was in Salt Lake City for a meeting this morning and a flight that didn't leave until 8:20 this evening, so I drove up again into the Wasatch Mountains. I just hiked, mostly because it's just so technical and steep as I climbed from the trail head at about 7,600' up to 9,950'. I swear I get giddy heading up into the mountains. The reward at the top was the incredible views of White Pine Lake. Really good 10 miles out there with some fun sections - a 26% grade on loose rocks at 9,500' is no joke!
I think next time I have to go to SLC I may just pack my backpacking gear and spend the night up there, that would be amazing.
I think next time I have to go to SLC I may just pack my backpacking gear and spend the night up there, that would be amazing.
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Osaurus
Footballguy
I'm running on a brand new bridge in the morning not yet open in bfe Manatee County. It's a 5k/10k with everyone starting together. Almost every race outside a specific premier group (Gasparilla races for me were 16k and 8k) usually average 400-500 runners. I got an email yesterday that this race was capped at 2,500. HFS that's a lot of people for a local 5k or 10k. I am guessing most of them are 5k folks so I should have clear sailing after the 3 mile mark, but damn there's gonna be a lot of lateral movement and bumping elbows early on. My favorite thing are the folks who decide to run slow (slower than me anyway) 5 across in the middle of the road. Good times. Race start is 7:30 am so I'll be in the sun quite a bit. Gonna be pretty warm running on concrete the whole way and sunblock will be applied liberally.
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Hang 10
Footballguy
What are the chances that a 40 year old (20 year smoker) guy with no formal running training could start running a year ago, runs 4x a week (only 2-3 miles per run) could run a 4:40 mile on a treadmill? A friend on FB just posted a screenshot of the treadmill. Either he's a unicorn or that mill needs to be recalibrated badly.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
He's a good dude, so I don't want to call bull#### but I really want to. Right now I'm begging him to run a 5K. If that time is legit he should be able to run sub 18 without breaking a sweat.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
Agreed. I expect you'd be able to tell from his stride and form whether it's legit or not.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Is this treadmill in his house? I think the treadmills at my gym go up to 14 mph which is a 4:17 mile. I really can't imagine anyone running that fast on one or anywhere in the 4s, to be honest. It seems dangerous. I've run miles in the high 5s and that seems bad (and loud!) enough.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Just did the park run again with the wife. This time she kept the stroller the whole time.
5.5 miles, 9:34 pace.
Wasn't feeling it at all (nowhere near as good as last week), 2nd mile was awful, but just kept going. Slowed down considerably for 5th mile (10:03, couple crappy uphill grades), but finished the last 0.5 miles at 8:20.
10 miles total so far this week, will try to get one more run in this weekend.
That said, I would say that I don't think I'd be interested in trying to run further than that and really don't enjoy the longer runs. I'd prefer to work on a 2 mile run, for example, and run it faster. The only nice thing about this run, and last week's, was that it started feeling different and easier when I got into the 4th mile.
5.5 miles, 9:34 pace.
Wasn't feeling it at all (nowhere near as good as last week), 2nd mile was awful, but just kept going. Slowed down considerably for 5th mile (10:03, couple crappy uphill grades), but finished the last 0.5 miles at 8:20.
10 miles total so far this week, will try to get one more run in this weekend.
That said, I would say that I don't think I'd be interested in trying to run further than that and really don't enjoy the longer runs. I'd prefer to work on a 2 mile run, for example, and run it faster. The only nice thing about this run, and last week's, was that it started feeling different and easier when I got into the 4th mile.
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Ned
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
Sorry, yeah, total sarcasm. Virtually everyone who starts running says these things. Then you'll adapt (as you mentioned about this run being a little better than the previous) and before you know it you're eyeing up a 10K, then a half, etc etc.
It's like a drug addict chasing the better high.
ETA: aside from the few cyborgs, nobody starts out running 10mi/day. It's a slow buildup to being able to do that stuff. Similar to how most guys don't start out bench pressing 225.
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